One of the elements integrated into the training of Apache crews from the war in Ukraine is how to counter threats like air defence, drones, and electronic warfare.

The soldiers who operate the British Army’s Apache AH-64E attack helicopter are updating their tactics to make the most of the aircraft’s capabilities in the modern battlefield, say the British Army.

This was apparent during the recent Exercise Talon Guardian. One significant change for the pilots is being ready to fly against air defense systems, as opposed to the uncontested operations they flew with the Apache Mk 1 in Afghanistan. To attack enemy weapons in the deep and protect friendly troops, the Apaches need to be sustained in the field.

Apache pilot Captain ‘H’ was quoted as saying:

“We’re tailoring what we do based on the lessons of the modern battlefield and the requirements of our role, which is to provide aviation deep attack as part of the Army’s warfighting division. We’ve had to completely change how we operate both in the air and on the ground, to best exploit the AH-64E’s improved sensors, weapons and communications systems, as well as its better flying performance.”

To prevent the support teams from being located by drones or having their communications intercepted, the way that Forward Arming and Refuelling Points (FARPs) operate has been reconsidered.

“We need to be more mobile and tactically-minded to survive,” Staff Sergeant Steve Tymms was also quoted as saying.

“We can’t just set up in a fixed location, so we’ve split down to small, self-sufficient teams that work to a matrix of locations and times. We’re basically making appointments and if an aircraft turns up we’ll give it fuel and weapons, but if not then we pack up and go to the next location. It keeps us moving and we can do it without radio comms, so we’re much harder to target.”

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NorthernAlly
NorthernAlly
1 year ago

Do the new apaches have any unique british components like how the previous version had more powerful engines and radar? Or are these new ones just the same standard that the US is getting?

Watcherzero
Watcherzero
1 year ago
Reply to  NorthernAlly

No back to US standard equipment, part of the reason they went for new airframes rather than upgrading the D’s was the cost of replacing all the British specific equipment.

NorthernAlly
NorthernAlly
1 year ago
Reply to  Watcherzero

Can these new versions still operate from ships as wasn’t that one of the main advantages of the D’s in that they had folding and salt proof roater blades.

Watcherzero
Watcherzero
1 year ago
Reply to  NorthernAlly

The E’s have introduced carbon fibre blades. US received a new blade folding conversion kit for the D/E in 2017 so likely that would be fitted.

FormerUSAF
FormerUSAF
1 year ago
Reply to  Watcherzero

Per Wiki, all AH-64Es are claimed to be fully marinized; a very useful feature, if indeed true.

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
1 year ago
Reply to  FormerUSAF

It is true. The US army are already advanced in their planning for using Apache in a similar manner to the British as a Lilly pad platform hoping on and off unprepared rough locations. There meeting up with maintainers, Armourers and replenishment then flying off on mission to return to a new location then go again. The locations of rendezvous being agreed in advance. The RN/ Army air corps have already signed off Apache for QE class carriers but I’d like to see the type on Albion and Bay class vessels or littoral war ship/ base ship concepts. In all… Read more »

Jim
Jim
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

Smart move, US DOD is realising it won’t always have runways to operate from and needs to be as flexible as possible.

We need to be flexible because we don’t have any money 😀

FormerUSAF
FormerUSAF
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

Yes, don’t remember details, but vaguely recall some Apache unit somewhat chastened and worse for wear, after a direct frontal assault on enemy armour. Years ago now, possibly GW II? Tactics, defensive aids, all are important.

FormerUSAF
FormerUSAF
1 year ago
Reply to  FormerUSAF

Believe that battle forced re-evaluation of existing US tactics into a combined arms approach. Don’t recall the specifics; a little help please from any air historians.

Robert Blay.
Robert Blay.
1 year ago

In other news. Canada commits to 88 F35A’s.

AH-64’Es are a beast of an attack helicopter. I’m sure the Ukrainians would fancy of few of these. They would seriously screw up ivans day.

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
1 year ago
Reply to  Robert Blay.

A real shame the uk doesn’t have 50 odd WAH-64 it could gift to Ukraine as the E models come online.

Robert Blay
Robert Blay
1 year ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

I think it would take to long to get such kit in service with them. Training aircrew/engineers, Maintenance, engineering facilities ect. It would be a big project.

David Barry
David Barry
1 year ago
Reply to  Robert Blay

And yet, Slavic ingenuity with our kit is fantastic.

Czechs, Slovaks, and the Latvians I worked with have a different mindset; we are underestimating them.

Give them the kit, they’ll screw the orcs.

FormerUSAF
FormerUSAF
1 year ago
Reply to  David Barry

👍, w/out a doubt Ukrainians will be teaching lessons learned, after the fact. Better to not unduly disturb them however, while they’re taking care of business…😉

Airborne
Airborne
1 year ago
Reply to  David Barry

Agreed!

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
1 year ago
Reply to  Robert Blay

Start now the crews would be ready by spring summer, if people have already worked in the airforce the learning curve is manageable. Its already been done with sea kings.
It’s going to take a huge effort to shift the Russians. I would prefer we help with tech to achieve this rather than them needing to use just human lives.
Casualties are mounting on both sides and western forces always thought tech would help them have the advantage against larger forces. We as allies need to share the full force of equipment.

Robert Blay
Robert Blay
1 year ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

Yes, I forgot about the Seakings. I guess if there is a will there is a way. And Apache would be a huge asset to them.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
1 year ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

Would Ukraine operate attack helos in the Air Force? Ours are with the army.

grinch
grinch
1 year ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

The old Apaches were disassembled and parts used in the otherwise new machines.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
1 year ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

As the E model is a new airframe, presumably we did not donate 50 D models to Being for conversion, which had been the Plan ‘A’.
So maybe we do have all the D’s still – and in good, but tired condition, hopefully.

eclispe
eclispe
1 year ago
Reply to  Robert Blay.

Bloody biscuits is ANYONE buying less than us? No serious responses, please.

maurice10
maurice10
1 year ago

Such weapons are in short supply even to NATO members yet such aircraft can not be ruled out, especially from the US. Considerable training would be required, which would take time so a decision to deploy needs to be taken soon. Many weapon system tactics will need to be revisited in light of the Ukrainian war and if there is anything constructive emanating from this conflict, it’s the lessons being learned by the West and its strategists.

Richard Beedall
Richard Beedall
1 year ago

It’s amazing how history and military tactics move in cycles. Over 40 years ago I remember reading an article in a magazine (maybe ‘Battle’, long defunct) describing a major exercise by RAF Germany Harrier squadrons (note the plural!) deployed to dispersed sites in support of BAOR 1 BR Corps armoured divisions (note the plural!). The key points about mobility, sustainability in the field, avoiding enemy air defences are identical … we are just relearning long lost tactics and lessons.

David Barry
David Barry
1 year ago

Has Harry gone back to his old job. Anything for a buck…

Airborne
Airborne
1 year ago
Reply to  David Barry

No no no, the press has got it wrong, he didn’t say he took out 25 Talibs, it was the nasty, selfish Apache did it, he didn’t know about it, wasn’t there/has a txt saying the Apache was also racist and was passing stories to the press! And a fellow Apache aircraft made Meghan cry!!! As for the Chinook parked on the ramp next door well………those big bad blades pushed me into a dog bowl on purpose, making me drop all my 50 pound notes I was using to snort coke, ah, but the Chinook made me snort Av gas……….🤪

David Barry
David Barry
1 year ago
Reply to  Airborne

You funny boy! You want babies my?

Airborne
Airborne
1 year ago
Reply to  David Barry

Hey up Yoda 😂👍

David Barry
David Barry
1 year ago
Reply to  Airborne

Crow bar to lever allied donations into UKR or trng batch? 90 mixed AIFVs is pitiful, your thoughts?

(And don’t say gift them Hercs to do airborne ops … you would, wouldn’t you?)

Airborne
Airborne
1 year ago
Reply to  David Barry

Interesting to see the thought process! Keep off the hercs, we need a change of mind in the MOD and keep them……

David Barry
David Barry
1 year ago
Reply to  Airborne

Mad git! Only, you’d have taken that airport just outside Kyiv… you know would have done…

… with a Platoon… 😉 of pathfinders.

Airborne
Airborne
1 year ago
Reply to  David Barry

And a couple of Sodexo cleaners to mop up!!!!!!

David Barry
David Barry
1 year ago
Reply to  Airborne

Actually, great joke has cropped up…

Capt Wales, most Welsh men, loose their virginity in a field behind the pub… baaaaaah

FormerUSAF
FormerUSAF
1 year ago
Reply to  David Barry

Oh man, tough crowd ..but amusing! 😂

James
James
1 year ago
Reply to  David Barry

Barry, why don’t you take your head for crap! You are about as funny as toothache. Do you mean “Lose”, welcome you to tell your joke in Wales.

Apache pilot with a B in Art & D in Geography. No nepotism there!

Ianb
Ianb
1 year ago
Reply to  James

100% right there James.

I would hazard a guess that not many, if any chums have managed to walk up to the Army Careers Office with two mediocre school exam results and;

1. Got accepted to RMA Sandhurst to become an officer; and
2. A helicopter pilot at that!

Too bloody right, it’s who you know.

FormerUSAF
FormerUSAF
1 year ago
Reply to  Ianb

Two legitimate questions: 1.) Isn’t the military virtually obligated to accept Royal family candidates for admission, regardless of suitability, either by law or tradition?

2.) Believe that RMA Sandhurst is a one year curriculum? Does this mean candidates already have the equivalent of a baccalaureate degree in the US (typically a four year, post secondary period of instruction(?

Jim
Jim
1 year ago
Reply to  FormerUSAF

You can get in to Sandhurst with less high school qualifications than university. Harry left Eton without enough A levels to get in to University so he went straight to sandhurst at 18. That’s not normal these days I think most will have a degree before going to sandhurst but it is possible especially if your last name is wales. The military are no obliged to allow them to serve however the military is not likely to turn down anyone who meets the basic criteria. Churchill was much the same. Did not have the grades for university so was sent… Read more »

FormerUSAF
FormerUSAF
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim

Thanks. Very interesting; different recruitment and training traditions.

FormerUSAF
FormerUSAF
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim

Who said Napoleon’s fate was sealed on the playing fields of Eton?

FormerUSAF
FormerUSAF
1 year ago
Reply to  FormerUSAF

Wellington?

Ian M.
Ian M.
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim

I believe a combination of the Defence Academy at Shrivenham and Sandhurst fill that space.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 year ago
Reply to  Ian M.

Correct.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim

When I was selected for Sandhust (in the 70s) you needed two A levels (Grades were immaterial – I got in with just two Grade Ds) only if you were going for a PRC (Permanent Regular Commission, later called RegC – otherwise 5 O Levels would do for a Short Service Commisssion. Nowadays you require a certain number of UCAS points, but a degree is not required. Harry met the criteria otherwise he would not have been admitted to the RMA; he clearly passed RCB/AOSB too and they do not lower the bar to allow duffers in. In society a… Read more »

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
1 year ago
Reply to  FormerUSAF

1) The British Army (I can’t speak for the other Services) do not admit anyone regardless of their station in life who fail to meet the selection criteria. It is a srious insult to the army to suggest otherwise.The most important factor, but not the only one, is performance on the Army Officer Selection Board at Westbury (was called the Regular Commissions Board for many years), a demanding 3-day selection test). A Royal officer cadet is expected to perform exceptionally – and generally get more demanding command roles in training – if anything they have a harder time than us… Read more »

FormerUSAF
FormerUSAF
1 year ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Thanks for providing a thorough explanation; intriguing differences noted in training philosophy and regimen. Presume RAF and RN follow same pattern?

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
1 year ago
Reply to  FormerUSAF

Thanks.
Sorry, no idea about the RAF and RN/RM officer selection and training.

Airborne
Airborne
1 year ago
Reply to  Ianb

Correct mate, he knew Major J Hewitt!!!! 😂

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
1 year ago
Reply to  Ianb

Ian, You are doing my former service a massive injustice by suggesting that they bent the rules for Harry (or would do for anyone with a high station in life). Harry got into Sandhurst with the academic qualifications required at the time – they are not looking for academics – they look at RCB performance primarily. Also a Grade B is not mediocre. I got two Grade Ds and I was accepted for Sandhurst, but it was a few years before Harry, admittedly. Do you have evidence that he was accepted for pilot training without being considered suitable? Helicopter training… Read more »

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
1 year ago
Reply to  James

James only the RAF think you need a degree to fly a combat aircraft!

BTW, I got into Sandurst (some years before Harry, admittedly) with two Grade Ds – at RCB, they really were not looking for amazing academic prowess but other qualities.

James
James
1 year ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Respect for the REME Graham, and respect that you went on to do a degree afterwards. I’m sure the guys you commanded respected that. In the Parachute Regiment & RM Officers have to prove themselves better from day one (Fitness) otherwise the respect isn’t earned from that of the ranks. If I was a qualified electrician (Skilled) I personally would have more respect for any Officer who had done my role/knowledge of (Direct) than just man managing. Prob a bad example (militarily), but in engineering which Germany has shown some prominence it wouldn’t happen. A Manager of a skilled profession… Read more »

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
1 year ago
Reply to  James

Thanks James for your comments. Officers have to have some background before arriving at their first unit that gives them a baseline from which to start earning respect – and for me that constituted that the troops knew I had passed (challenging) selection for Sandhurst, did 2 consecutive demanding courses to train me as a leader in soldiering skills, was as fit as they were, understood their technical world and would soon have tech qualifications in advance of their own. I personally do not find it satisfactory to assume that Edward may have passed AIB on the grounds of nepotism… Read more »

Last edited 1 year ago by Graham Moore
James
James
1 year ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

“The Role of Leaders in Building a Culture of Moral Courage The proceedings of the Centre for Army Leadership’s 2017 Conference Held on 8 November 2017 Robertson House, the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst”. Other recent interviews conducted by the author with British Army majors and sergeants revealed varying perceptions of moral issues, outside of the battle space, that require courageous intervention. Issues like increasing favouritism and nepotism in appointment selection; subjectivity and inaccuracies in annual performance reporting; poor medical statistics linked to certain service provisions; political promises and significant retention challenges; incoherent and poor intelligence-led recruitment strategies, rites of passage… Read more »

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
1 year ago
Reply to  James

Thanks James. All this seemed to be an issue in 2017, many years after those being discussed left the army.

Jim
Jim
1 year ago
Reply to  Airborne

I’m sure Megan is probably 1/ 48th Native American so I’m amazed Harry would even use the word Apache 😀

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim

He’s still riding that 1/48 Apache. 🙈😂😂

Airborne
Airborne
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim

Boom boom! Jim you are bad! 😂👍

Jacko
Jacko
1 year ago
Reply to  David Barry

Just a question for our American friends how does his visa stand with him admitting drug use?

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
1 year ago
Reply to  Jacko

He’s married to an American and he’s royalty. He doesn’t have a conviction so he should be cool

Jacko
Jacko
1 year ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

Not that we want him back but it would have been fun to see him squirm 😄

FormerUSAF
FormerUSAF
1 year ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

Interesting question re visa; any US immigration attorneys available online to address issue? 🤔 If not, a non-attorney will attempt to provide a few, hopefully factual, background statements. Believe one could reasonably assume that someone (or some branch) w/in US State Department has been assigned protocol (‘handler’) duty re Royal long-term visitors/inhabitants. Presume State Dept. has acquired multiple copies of book in order to be forewarned re any potential issues. Specific statutes of limitation apply for most crimes w/in US; doubtful UK would seek extradition. Ergo, there may not be an issue. The more intriguing question from a US taxpayer’s… Read more »

Jim
Jim
1 year ago
Reply to  FormerUSAF

He pays for all his own security which is why he says he has to keep prostituting himself to Netflix, Spotify, Oprah or anyone else willing to pay a man who has zero skills, no talent and a complete lack of personality.

The Canadians kicked them out because Ottawa was unwilling to pay the bill and now the UK has done the same.

FormerUSAF
FormerUSAF
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim

That could become a very expensive proposition; not certain how many interview, books etc. sponsors will be willing to pay for. 🤔

Ian M.
Ian M.
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim

I think you missed out: embittered, needy, self centered and feeling entitled.
Just saying……..

Airborne
Airborne
1 year ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

Good, the prick can stay over there! Not that I have an opinion on this subject……😇

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
1 year ago
Reply to  Airborne

Impartial as ever😂😂😂
U would think he’s the first person to have ever fallen out with his family. Difference being nobody else publishes every little detail.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
1 year ago
Reply to  Jacko

Has he got a Green Card? I am not sure how he has achieved permanent resident status in the US. Does he have to come back to the UK for x days per year?

Airborne
Airborne
1 year ago

OT I hear we are considering sending a number of Challys to Ukraine? Any reliable OSINT on this?

David Barry
David Barry
1 year ago
Reply to  Airborne

Is this a wah?

Last edited 1 year ago by David Barry
David Barry
David Barry
1 year ago
Reply to  Airborne

Wah

Airborne
Airborne
1 year ago
Reply to  David Barry

No wah!!! Mate haven’t heard that for donkeys!!!!!

Simon
Simon
1 year ago
Reply to  Airborne

supposedly 10 of them, is it worth the hassle,wouldn’t it be better to work with other to provided Leopard or Abrams which are in more widespread use ?

James
James
1 year ago
Reply to  Simon

Heard the same on Sky news this morning.

No details given but at a guess id say its 10 that are sidelined not to be upgraded to C3 standard.

Its not regarded as the easiest of machines to operate without considerable technical support so yeah I agree is it worth the hassle for 10 tanks?

JohninMK
JohninMK
1 year ago
Reply to  Simon

Unique ammo as with the French AMX-10 would be a logistical nightmare. With this low number they would have to stick together. Shame to have to abandon a tank for lack of shells.

Airborne
Airborne
1 year ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Shells? Shells WTF it’s a tank not a beach!

Simon
Simon
1 year ago
Reply to  JohninMK

France has over 200 so I suspect they have a good stock of shells (and the gun is also in service in Morocco and Qatar)

Ian M.
Ian M.
1 year ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Only cowboys in old westerns are known to call ammunition “shells”!

Shaun
Shaun
1 year ago
Reply to  Simon

Just wondered given what everyone has said regarding the hassle and small numbers whether it is more a strategy to open up the block on providing western tanks rather than anything else?

Airborne
Airborne
1 year ago
Reply to  Shaun

Or also a genuine combat test for the base vehicle armour and survivability?

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
1 year ago
Reply to  Shaun

Seems to be a stategy to allow the German Government to agree to re-exporting Leo2s from nations who operate them. They don’t want to be first to supply or agree to supply tanks – wimps!

Airborne
Airborne
1 year ago
Reply to  Simon

Agreed, but would be a very interesting test for the MOD to see the capability and survivability of the Chally! As long as none fall in the hands of the Orcs! Then again they may not realise it would be a tank as its turret would still be fixed and not flying off somewhere 400 metres away!

Simon
Simon
1 year ago
Reply to  Airborne

I cant find out if the Malyshev tank Factory is still being used by Ukraine, although I think it is still in there hands. However since all there tanks are based on T72,T80,T90 they must still have the autoloader issue, so western tanks would be most welcome. It would indeed be very interesting to see what happened vs a T80/T90

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
1 year ago
Reply to  Simon

10 – thats not even a squadrons-worth. Should be 14 plus a few spares…and don’t forget the CRARRV and other Maint support vehicles.

JohninMK
JohninMK
1 year ago
Reply to  Airborne

Sweden will transfer Archer artillery systems to Ukraine, Swedish Foreign Minister Tobias Bilström said.

Airborne
Airborne
1 year ago
Reply to  JohninMK

And you can thank the Nazi Putin for forcing Sweden into its new hard, NATO stance! Another victory for Putin…….et, not!

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
1 year ago
Reply to  Airborne

Putin has excelled in stopping nato expanding and putting a Russian picked leader into Ukraine. Sorry I was caught in a parallel universe there.
If putin wasn’t controlling the Russian politics through fear, intimidation and actually allowed the best people for advisors instead of who’s got the biggest bribe his armed forces, intelligence chiefs could of been honest and told him the plans will not work as intended.
What a plonker

John Davidson
John Davidson
1 year ago

Are the gunners given the full training to fly the Apache that is given to the pilot or are they just trained to get the aircraft back home or on the ground in the event of his incapacitation

Lordtemplar
Lordtemplar
1 year ago

Meanwhile Japan has decided to scrap attack and recon helos in favour of drones.
Given how expensive and long it is to train pilots and their role in the Ukraine conflict, it certainly is food for thought.

Last edited 1 year ago by Lordtemplar
James
James
1 year ago
Reply to  Lordtemplar

Makes sense to me, run the current batch of Apache until they are done and then drones all the way.

AlexS
AlexS
1 year ago
Reply to  Lordtemplar

Was about to post that Lordtemplar.

I can only see attack helicopter function to be a reinforcement to expand a breakthrough or the inverse to stop a breakthrough. Both time when enemy air defences are not well deployed and fast reaction is needed.

AlexS
AlexS
1 year ago

The only question is when they will get “Exactor” aka Spike NLOS to fire from behind line of sight.

Because other than that it is suicide…

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
1 year ago
Reply to  AlexS

Most AH will try to pop up from cover, fire and duck down, if possible.
War is a rather dangerous business!

AlexS
AlexS
1 year ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

If guidance cannot be made from elsewhere they will be dead.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
1 year ago
Reply to  AlexS

Agreed that without a covered approach to a firing position, Apaches will be vulnerable to attack by precision munitions.
Like everything else on the battle field. When I served, I was mostly in a soft-skinned LandRover – that was really vulnerable. Most of the army is not in armoured vehicles.

AlexS
AlexS
1 year ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

In a inconspicuous Land Rover you might get passed as a nobody. 😉

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
1 year ago
Reply to  AlexS

Perhaps the army shouldn’t have painted my Landie in green and black swirls and festooned it with radio antennae!

UKRAINAPOLIS
UKRAINAPOLIS
1 year ago

With Leopard 2s Stryker and Challengers heading to Ukraine- we should also supply Apaches with hellfire missiles for combined maneuvers in the near future-

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
1 year ago
Reply to  UKRAINAPOLIS

Ukraine has said it needs equipment for 20 heavy armoured brigades. Hopefully they can get what’s needed to move forward. Some attack helicopters would be useful in some situations. A big supply of drones that can see and evaluate a battlefield and launch weapons onto targets would also be very useful. Canada announced its purchasing a NASAMS to give to Ukraine. Pakistan is sending crates of artillery shells and Ukraine has said it will modernise its helicopters as a return favour. New equipment like heavy armour needs to be made for Ukraine. They don’t all need to be super expensive.… Read more »

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
1 year ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

Who makes £1m IFVs?

Paul.P
Paul.P
1 year ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Let the new buyer take the early years depreciation and buy used. Some of these must have depreciated to zero by now…..
https://www.army-technology.com/projects/stryker-armoured-combat-vehicle/

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul.P

Good idea, so long as the capability was 90% or more of a new solution. We last bought used AFVs in 1990, I think – German FUCHS for GW1.
We should not be embarrrassed to do it again, especially as our economy is struggling.

JayBee
JayBee
1 year ago

I’d much prefer they were called “Longbows”. With all the changing of American sports team names away from associations with indigenous tribes, it will soon come to pass that American military equipment will be renamed too. The UK has more affinity with the term Longbow than it does with Apache so it makes more sense. Cue excuses.