Probably not, but a study to examine the case for introducing Airlander 10 aircraft, a large electric airship, for passenger and freight transport in the Highlands and Islands has been launched by Hybrid Air Vehicles.

George Allison
George has a degree in Cyber Security from Glasgow Caledonian University and has a keen interest in naval and cyber security matters and has appeared on national radio and television to discuss current events. George is on Twitter at @geoallison

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  1. The big question, what is the max wind strength it can cope with at take off, landing, for ground handling or flying into headwinds?

    Scotland isn’t best known for its windless, calm days

    • its the same as a most commercial airliners around 30 knots of cross wind…commercial flights don’t land with more than 35knots of cross wind. one

      Speed wise it’s 130kms an hour so you’re not going to get any headwind issues unless you dive it into a hurricane …endurance is five days so you will not have any fuel issues….

      basically air lander is being certified to fly in any of the same weather conditions as any other commercial aircraft.

    • Well, the one that was just sat tethered, got blown away and crashed rather easily….. Putting money in to this project is akin to putting money in to Thrust 2 …… where did all that money go ????…. just like “Vulcan to the sky”….

      • If I remember correctly, it was the mooring mast that failed not the aircraft, which has been redesigned since. This is a commercial enterprise which already has an order book not a go faster lark without any hope of making money (no matter how much fun it looked).

    • Cross wind don’t really affect has doesn’t need runway, so can always land into the wind? just needs big circle around mooring point

    • Add a zero to the wastage –

      ‘This isn’t just waste, it is SNP waste’

      With apologies to M&S for mangling their strap line.

    • I’m not sure why you think it’s a bad idea, one commercial carrier has ordered 20 of these for operations in the Mediterranean islands and mainland links.

      Would be sad if we sell loads of theirs to Europe nations but turn our noises up at our own manufacturers base.

  2. Interestingly a Spanish company has ordered 20 Airlander 10s to provide services across western med and islanders….it’s ability to land on the sea and U.S. any flat air seems to be very good islands.

  3. To be fair, I’d like to see some more trials (or tribulations) before writing ‘dirigible’s’ off completely.

    In this day and age, I can see how a ‘balloon’ could provide its own energy, using solar, and maybe a wind turbine or some type or another. Experimentation in these ‘fields’ could then help to offset some of the cost of operating them.

    Airships have come a long long way over the past 100+ years, and will find their own niche area’s I am sure, in due course.

  4. Sounds like Airlander are getting desperate….. Might be OK in still winds but Scotland ? Heck…. and blow that for a lark.

    • The body design is basically a wing. The shape generates lift. Been following this for 15 years now. The Airlander 50 concept has some really exciting remote operations potential. 50 mt cargo w/ 50 passengers no passengers and 60 mt cargo.

      At 1 stage they had a ‘200’ concept…but they have gone silent on that recently.

  5. If the Faroes can manage it why don’t they seriously look at tunnels to some of the islands. Only thing that will not be affected by the weather.

  6. Airlander is doing very well all told, with an order for 20 of the Airlander 10 to provide island to island and island to mainland links in the western med…we should see commercial airship flights starting around the med in around 5 years provided by British airships, with the first of the commercial 100 passenger models coming of the product line for 2026….

    For the med island hopping they are developing the sea landing options.

    The same airline company is also now partnering to create the Airlander 50…with five times the payload at 50 tons ( which is twice the payload of a 737)….a five day endurance aircraft that can carry 50 tons something to get to….they even have a drawing board plan for a 100 ton payload version….that’s about 25% more than a C7…

    We are the only nation with an actually ordered commercial airship…

    we should be supporting the crap out of this company as a nation, its an industry we could lead in with the only certified commercial airship that can make real changes to how we travel by air…

    As a final point they are very very robust and almost impossible to bring down.
    Airlander is doing very well all told, with an order for 20 of the Airlander 10 to provide island to island and island to mainland links in the western med…we should see commercial airship flights starting around the med in around 5 years provided by British airships, with the first of the commercial 100 passenger models coming of the product line for 2026….

    For the med island hopping they are developing the sea landing options.

    The same airline company is also now partnering to create the Airlander 50…with five times the payload at 50 tons ( which is twice the payload of a 737)….a five day endurance aircraft that can carry 50 tons something to get to….they even have a drawing board plan for a 100 ton payload version….that’s about 25% more than a C7…

    We are the only nation with an actually ordered commercial airship…

    we should be supporting the crap out of this company as a nation, its an industry we could lead in with the only certified commercial airship that can make real changes to how we travel by air…

    As a final point they are very very robust and almost impossible to bring down.

    • Totally agree. I think the UK government has helped in the past, but supporting this new industry with military roots should definitely be on the cards. Airlander 50 could have a payload greater than a A400M, able to take an Ajax. They are a bit pricey to start off with, but I’m sure the price will drop.

      • Airlander was partnered with Lockheed Martin for extended us military trials about 12 years ago before money was diverted to other projects.

        Concept has fantastic potential for remote resources exploration .

  7. Incidentally, I was discussing Airlander on this site yesterday. It seems to me that a very long-ranged, very long-endurance high payload volume aircraft would be highly useful to the Navy. Not only could one lug Crowsnest around for a week without refuelling, the cargo capacity and long range means that it makes inter-theatre easier with the payload of a Chinook only slightly slower over nearly twice the range.
    Most importantly, it would look great painted grey and with “Royal Navy” on the side.

      • Yes, but that isn’t supposed to be available until 2030. Thay variant has a shorter range but would still compete with a Globamaster exchanging speed for near-vertical landing.

    • I remember speaking with some of the senior staff at Airlander about the idea of using it for Crows Nest. It seems from the discussion that it is possible and with a few extra EW pods, with five days endurance, although originally designed for 21 days and unmanned. I did ask about turbulance cross winds etc from my understanding it can handle just about everything an airliner can. Yet I wonder, although the Searchwater 2000 of Crowsnest is a straight forward fit possibly the Erieye sytem of the Swedish GlobalEye would be better. Well withing the 10 ton range. One such equipped airship could cover the area from Lerwick to Bergen or 250miles radius from Lerwick which would be Faroes to Bergen by just keeping station 20,000ft above Lerwick. Average ground wind at Lerwick is about 17mph whilst at 20,000 ft anything from 35-115mph. At hight this speed is world wide speeds so Airlander have taken that into account. These airships could be used not only for the RN/RAF but civil authorities such as Customs/ Coast Guard etc.

      Depending on cost the UK could maybe have 20 of these airships 6-8 for the UK and the rest deployed to UK Overseas Territories. It would give the UK and the RN/RAF a good overwatch capability. So for the UK I would suggest three at Lerwick, three in Cornwall operating out to the edge of our EEZ and two in long refit. With one on station, one in a ten day refit and one on a three day workup.

      Before someone says xyz, Poland is looking at blimps (aerostat) to expand their radar coverage at a cost of $1.2 billion.

      • Yes, that is where my previous conversation was. Thanks for the well-explained reply. Is the new figure of 5 days manned or unmanned? I think it came about due to a switch to electric power, so might not make a difference.
        Your summarisation of the potential deployments makes sense. However, I would suggest that one of the most useful places for an Airlander AEW would be a CSG. A QE’s flight deck should just about be able to take an Airlander 10 for refueling and crew swap. It is only once a week, after all. The airship is amphibious due to inflatable hover landing pads (what a phrase!) so there may not be too much of an issue even if no carrier available. Imagine a ship like a sub tender of WW2, but acting as mother for 3 or 4 90m airships wafting around the sky.

        • They could moor onto a mast for refuelling, and RPAS/autonomy can’t be that difficult. They could also land on the sea, in clement sea states.

          However, I like the idea of a combined Heavy Lift and AEW combined, if it’s not too expensive. Airlander 50 bringing goods, crew, mail, possibly weekly, then spending a week in the air as AEW, finally refueling and heading home, rotating with the next incoming airship. Can then function as a backup AEW, maybe a bit further away from trouble.

          • Any AEW with 50t of disposable payload available is going to be a chunky piece of kit; a Wedgetail weighs only 77 tonnes fully loaded and 46 empty. Yes, some weight would be for power generation and extra fuel for that, but you’d probably be not far off slinging Artisan or even Sampson underneath with 50t, for theatre-wide AWACS stuff.
            I think using Airlander 10 for AEW would be more realistic, with the 50 only used, say, to lift a couple of F35s home for overhaul (something well within that envelope). In that case it would probably live on/floating around the carrier or an RFA, with crew rotation and refuelling once a week or so and maybe a landing or airship rotation in a maintenance emergency. The possibility of airship masts would be interesting. Then a Tide or FSSS would look after the airship and carry crew. My only worry is Airlander’s “Hybrid” designation. Doesn’t that mean that the buoyancy doesn’t actually provide enough lift for MTOW? In that case masts wouldn’t work. Only the Albions or Argus might just have a flight deck big enough, so sea landing and carriers would be the only option.

          • That’s a good question about hybrid. I don’t know. If it’s effectively STOL, that changes everything. There’s another technology that might come to the rescue. It’s possible to expand and compress the helium inside the airship to alter bouyancy. Perhaps having extra bouyancy when landing and less drag when moving will be the way it will go in the future. I don’t think HAV use this at the moment.

          • The hybrid means that it effectively takes off at an angle from a point like a bird. The forwards thrusters can be tilted to provide the necessary lift while speed builds up. That’s why Airlander isn’t marketed as an airship but as a “hybrid aircraft”: you still need clearance around the landing site to allow horizontal takeoff, even if that area isn’t actually touched by the craft.

          • Of the two available versions, Airlander 50 is probably the more useful design. The reason for this is is two fold. The 50 can carry more weight, so it will have more potential for future growth. The other is duration, it can do about 2000 miles at max load.

            It would be very easy for Airlander to become an AEW platform. The helium filled envelop is a perfect environment for a radar. But as importantly, Airlander has the capacity to carry the Wedgetail’s MESA radar. Where the “top hat” antenna array can provide 360 degrees of view. The Erieye does not cover 360 degrees of view. It is questionable if the upper surface area covered in solar cells would be enough to power both the radar, systems and ship itself. It will likely require diesel powersets.

            Using the larger version, means that you could carry a larger crew. Including all the necessary living accommodation and amenities. Therefore, you could employ enough “manpower” to cover a 24 hour shift, probably for a week or longer.

            The radar is the key. Being installed on a large platform that has a very healthy weight margin, there is scope to increase the antenna array’s surface area, especially in the forward and rear arcs. This is the reason for going for the MESA over the Erieye. MESA will have a significant detection range advantage, due to its lower operating frequency. If the airship could generate the power, I wonder if Sampson (or son of) could be looked at?

            However, for the MESA to have a 360 degree view, it uses reduced area arrays on the front and rear of the Top Hat, due to limitations on what can be fitted to the roof of the B737. So in essence, as the antenna array is protected inside the envelop, then the MESA could be configured in a four panel 90 degree field of view arrangement. Which would give equal detection ranges in all directions.

            The MESA is a L-band radar, which means its great for very long distance searches using less power. But has issues detecting objects near the sea’s surface and differentiating objects from clutter, without a serious amount of signal processing. Therefore, the platform would need a secondary look-down radar operating in the X or Ka bands. Again using four AESA panels to give the all round view.

            The Airship’s cruise speed is slow, between 50 to 100 knots. Plus it can’t fly as high as a Wedgetail’s 35,000+ft, at 20,000ft. Which is still higher than a Merlin can attain. Its radar horizon would still be around 200 miles (320km) away. Which is about the limit of most off the shelf X-band radars.

            Giving the airship two radars operating at different frequencies, one doing volume searching, whilst the other watches the horizon and looks down. Means that it will be very hard to jam or uses decoys against it. Plus it opens other avenues on how the airship can be used.

            The obvious choice is maritime surveillance. The X/K-band radar will be very good at spotting small objects on the sea, even a sub’s periscope.

            Another choice would be as a communications node. There is plenty of space to fit a plethora of HF, VHF, UHF and SHF radio antennas, some of which can be electronically steered arrays. Thereby giving a degree of covert comm’s ability. If the airship is carrying radios etc, then it could also do radio intelligence gathering by linking electronic surveillance equipment to the radio and radar antennas.

            I can think of other out of the box options the Airlander could be used for, think “Thunderbird 2”, minesweeper mothership and UAV carrier.

            So yes, I am a firm believer in Airlander, as it could be used for a plethora of high end tasks. Where its long duration can be used to monitor areas for longer periods. Thereby a platform that combines the Wedgetail/Crownest AEW role, the P8 Poseidon’s Maritime role and perhaps even the RC-135W Rivet Joint’s signal intelligence role! Sadly it doesn’t fly fast enough to be used as an airborne tanker for fixed wing aircraft.

            The issue would be the cost. If Airlander can build the airship significantly cheaper, like a quarter of the purchase price of a B737. Then its the systems and integration that will be the major cost factors. Though the biggest fight will be between the Navy and the RAF over who owns and operates it!

          • You mention the helium envelope. Does that mean the radar would be carried internally, making landing easier?
            I’d rather the Navy had their own first-tier AEW than the RAF get two platforms, due to Airlander’s amphibious capability and near-VTOL in non-enclosed spaces. One could live near a CSG as outlined above and even if it can’t land on a ship due to increased size, would still be able to be maintained and supplied by accompanying RFAs.
            I would enjoy a Thunderbird 2 Airlander or flying aircraft carrier that carries 2 or 3 Protector slung beneath and does refuelling and Comms node. Like a CSG but for the RAF

          • Yes, the MESA radar would be inside the envelop above the cabin. This will give it protection from the elements. The smaller X/Ku band could be in either the envelop or mounted to the sides of the cabin, as the panel arrays are much smaller. But if its expected to land on the water, its probably best to also put them in the envelop.

            The Airlander has a broad range of possibilities. Which I believe raises more questions that need to be debated. For instance, could it be considered in the same light as a small ship, rather than an aircraft? As the Airlander 50 in particular, could be continuously on task for a week or two. Especially if it has a number of watches that cover a 24 hour period.

            The minesweeper mothership role is an interesting possibility. Where it lands on the water to drop off unmanned surface vehicles to do the sweeping. That also contain the method of neutralising the mine. But as the airship can talk to the unmanned sweeper by datalink, it could have a number of these vessels active simultaneously. Thereby covering a much bigger area. Plus if operating where a Nation is known for harassment by small fast boats. Being airborne, the airship won’t be impeded. It could also be provided with a means of self-defence/offensive armament, if things needed to go kinetic.

            But I do see Airlander 50 being particularly suited as a platform that supports a task group, be that carrier or amphibious. It would also be the perfect asset for supporting a merchant convoy that has escort ship protection. As the Airship can provide the over the horizon monitoring and targeting for the escort ships.

            In light of these roles, I think it would be better suited as a Navy asset.

    • I’ll just remind everyone about Airship Industries in the 1980’s and the big plans with Westinghouse for a large Skyship 5000 stationed mid Atlantic for one week endurance with a big internal AWAS radar fit as part of a huge US Navy defence contract

      Again ground-handling is the issue. Also needs to be brought inside during a storm so just leaving at the mast is not an option. The prototype 500 type was destroyed at a mast during a storm at Cardington so that it would not break free into the airlanes.

      I still think airships are possible, but the ground-mooring/handling really really really has to be sorted out.

      • I’ve looked up Skyship, and it appears to be simply an enormous blimp and therefore subject to all of the handling issues with true airships.
        Airlander, as outlined above, works differently. It is actually heavier than air and is shaped so that it can be operated in similar conditions to the limits for commercial airliners (40mph crosswind) and maybe past that due to lack of runway.
        HAV have also thought about ground handling. Under each side of the envelope (split in two halves) visible on the picture above are the two inflatable landing pads. These can either act like hovercraft for movement in still wind or provide suction onto the ground to hold the thing still in high winds. The idea is to mean that the airship can land without external help rather than relying on teams of men yanking on ropes.

        • I wish HAV well, and I have faith in airships.

          However, I think you may need to do some more research into Airship Industries and their Skyships – especially the $18Billon US Navy defence contract where they teamed up with Westinghouse for a big AWCS system. T

          The Skyship series were not “blimps.” (Blimp = non-steerable balloon). The Skyships were dirigibles. Were state of the art at the time. 10-years ahead of Boeing and Goodyear. Had the worlds largest kevlar structure and used modern materials for the envelope which was filled with helium. State of the art avionics inc. military Radar and long-range submarine comms, and some were even fly-by-light. Designed in London (Roger Monk, Godfrey Lee – ex HP chief aerodynamicist etc.), then assembled in Cardington and all over the world.

          Laters potaters 😀

    • Not sure about how easy turning into the wind and trying to do dipping sonar would be for a 90m airship, though winch capacity for the dipper would likely be extravagant.
      Yes, small island bases would be ideal for Airlander in the AEW and surveillance roles. Less so Akrotiri given the regular visits by aircraft with similar capability but the Falklands would certainly benefit from their own capacity for AEW and long-range surveillance.

      • Yes, the sonobuoy capacity on Airlander would be frankly extravagant. DaveyB has suggested that an Airlander 50 could carry a significant number of the new 11m MCM boats, providing them most mobile minesweeping/ASW force on Earth. It would only really be useful in the littoral but the transit speed would more thanake up for that

        • If you think what I have written is “Taking the time” then try a conversation with daveyB!
          Anyway, I do like the idea of the “reverse aircraft carrier”, if only for the novelty factor.

  8. Not sure why this is pitched for Scotland here. Surely it’s an excellent HS2 replacement: London to Birmingham. Fifty Airlander 10s, one leaving every five minutes, similar time to conventional train (about eighty mins), tiny infrastructure, green, no nimbys. Cost less than £3bn. Leeds-Manchester-Manchester Airport looks attractive too.

    If HAV can get the speed up (and I think they can), it becomes an even better proposition.

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