Defence Secretary John Healey has reassured MPs that the UK’s aircraft carriers are not at risk of being mothballed, despite speculation to the contrary.
Speaking before the Defence Committee, Healey responded directly to concerns raised by committee member Emma Lewell-Buck, who asked whether the carriers were safe.
“We have some really important programmes and capabilities across the board,” Healey said. “The Strategic Defence Review, because it is a Strategic Defence Review, is looking across the board at everything. However, I absolutely do not want you to take that as a signal that any part of our programmes and capabilities—to be clear—are in jeopardy. This is an ongoing question, and they are under scrutiny but not in jeopardy. We will take the decisions that we have to, but we will take them in the light of the reviewers’ analysis, when they come to report.”
Healey spoke on the importance of strategic planning, noting that the review is set to deliver its findings in spring 2025. “I expect the reviewers to complete their reports and deliver them in spring. I expect to be able to publish a version of that report, and I will report that Strategic Defence Review to Parliament,” he stated.
The Defence Secretary also pointed to the planned deployment of the Carrier Strike Group to the Indo-Pacific in 2025 as evidence of the carriers’ continued strategic value. “This Committee should take seriously the commitment to the Carrier Strike Group 2025, which will be one of our aircraft carriers spending four to five months in the Indo-Pacific, taking part in military exercises, as well as diplomacy and trade—a demonstration, if you like, of that capability and of its reach,” he said.
Committee member Mike Martin questioned the appropriateness of such a global deployment in light of immediate threats closer to home. “The clear and present danger from Russia, versus a global expeditionary military, is one of the big questions that clearly the SDR is grappling with,” Martin said.
Healey defended the decision, highlighting the unique opportunities provided by the Indo-Pacific tour. “There is a great deal of potential value in the Carrier Strike Group undertaking this tour,” he explained. “There is military and exercising advantage, alliance building and consolidating advantage, and economic and diplomatic advantage, as long as we plan it properly.”
He added that such advantages could not be replicated in regions like the Baltic or North Sea. “You would not be able to exercise with the Australians or the Japanese or the Koreans, or the extent of the US, in those different parts. You could not replicate the extent of part of the elements that the Carrier Strike Group tour is planning. There is a value; otherwise, I would not be sending it,” he said.
The Secretary of State also underscored the importance of defence reform in implementing the review’s findings effectively. “We have touched on the imperative to see serious defence reform in place in order to make the decisions effectively and then drive the implementation of the Strategic Defence Review,” Healey concluded.
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The decision to scrap a load of equipment in the middle of a defence review was a massive mistake and very telling off the lack of communications strategy across the current government.
The LPD’s could have be mothballed and left on extended readiness, savings where only a £9 million a year from scrapping them. The other decisions where probably correct however again they should have been done as part of the defence review with a clear Indication of where the cash was going.
They would be a token force.
Regenerating them would be close to impossible as the HV system didn’t like being left to get damp.
Hulls and electronics deteriorate fast if the HVAC is off or the ship isn’t dry nitrogen flooded – which is impossible with the construction of the Albions.
I don’t disagree but they should not have been scrapped in the middle of a defence review. It now destroys any credit he review had and now it looks like cuts are being made to the MOD budget even though the budget is going up.
I tend to agree with your point but over Navy Lookout they are suggesting that they might have brought the move forward to avoid the cuts, however logical they may be, being taken when Trump is in power…
It is certainly food for thought.
Cheers CR
That is a very interesting perspective, cut now what they know they will be cutting to prevent a Trump led US administration backlash….
Quite right, we really don’t want to get into the same position as Russia with ships like aircraft carriers, and nuclear powered battlecruisers sitting for decades awaiting refurbishment simply because pride says that they must be kept even though they will almost certainly never go to sea again
I put this in another post but do you reckon the Albion and Bulwark could be reworked into arsenal type ships even with some ABM capabilities if these ships are still half decent. They’re such huge platforms and those well docks could support several mk41s and podded systems and plenty of room up top for decent radars. Probably all cost too much and money better spent on the T83.
It will be interesting to see who might buy these if at bargain price, maybe India, Brazil, NZ?
The retrofit cost would be enormous. And you can’t just stick Mk41s in any old ship.
Fascinating. Thank you. Why on earth hasnt this key fact been communicated in the news?
No-one would be able to man them Jim.
The reality is, this decision was taken by the last government, they just left it to the current government to officially announce.
The RN ‘effectively’ cut them last year and gave up any possibility of taking Bulwark to
sea.
I suspect ( though Labour say the RM’s are safe), the Corps will be cut in size to match it’s assets next year.
Probably cut to about 4,000 and ‘spun’ as an enhancement, ” smaller, more lethal super special, secret squirrel capable superman force” etc, etc….
The usual…
The RM are safe insofar that they will still exist.
He said nothing of capability, numbers, or equipment.
They might be a single Cdo and he’d be saying “we still have the RM”
Quite mate, I suspect the same as you, a
‘squeeze’ and shrink to match it’s reduced amphibious hardware…
Good Morning Daniele. I hope you are well. Meantime, back here in SA we are down to one seaworthy frigate and only 2 Gripens able to defend our airspace!!
Hey Geoff- how are tricks Mate!
Scrap one we cant afford them both and the £100, million a pop F35s, and we cant defend em anyway. Living in the past. In a full on conflict they wouldn’t last 2 days. Britain’s days as a swashbuckling maritime nation are over ,we dont have the money or the people . Either scrap one or better still get rid of Trident thats totally reliant on the US for arming and support and doesnt seem to work very well. We dont even have UK missile defence system to protect us against missiles and drones isnt that more important for thats where the greatest comes from. Protect our shores first
The scrapping of Trident may well be taken out of our hands. The US views nuclear weapons as a deterrent and weapon of last resort. They have allowed the UK to have Trident on the basis that our conventional forces were large enough to make that last choice very far down the road. US general’s got the shock of their life in our response to the Gulf War. We basically stripped BAOR and the UK of everything to provide our contribution. In effect we produced half of what we had said we could provide previously with nothing left in the tank. The UK was a paper tiger. I was in the US in 93 and there was talk then of not renewing the agreement. Centered on our lack of conventional forces. That situation is now way below that qualification bar. Whilst we on forums like this can pontificate that the special relationship will prevail, we are a faithful allied force etc. It only takes a few Senators or Congressmen to get the bit between their teeth, or an unhinged President and we have no nuclear deterrent.
I suspect Argentina would be front of queue for Albion and Bulwark, who might purchase the helicopters is another question though.
So the Sec of Def says and I quote. “However, I absolutely do not want you to take that as a signal that any part of our programmes and capabilities—to be clear—are in jeopardy.”
Well I suppose that is true if you completely disregard the forced retirement of the RN’s Amphib capability and the scraping of the watchkeeper program without replacement so that the ‘review’ can’t be blamed for the clear and obvious cuts. Two capabilities that it is highly unlikely we will ever properly get back.
I wonder if Norway would like to buy the Albions and then they can come and pick us up if we ever need to do a landing there like we practice pretty much every year.
I don’t disagree but they should not have been scrapped in the middle of a defence review. It now destroys any credit he review had and now it looks like cuts are being made to the MOD budget even though the budget is going up.
We might be in the middle of the review but enough is known to make this a sensible decision e.g. Iain’s post above + I assume, what the RN are feeding in to the design requirement for MRSS. We pulled out of the joint project with the Dutch because they want a small hybrid OPV/LPD design. We need to wait to find out for sure but it looks like MRSS will be large LPDs with bigger flight decks than Albion. I’m thinking Argus sized with a well dock.
Why not take it a step further and buy the design for the Trieste? A man can dream.
Larger ships need more crew, so do flight decks, how do we design a ship that can operate alone, is more capable than whatever we’ve had before but we’re also getting less of them
Fair questions. I think the size decision was taken when we parted company with the Dutch. As to crewing I’ll bet they are figuring out the answer with Argus and 4 Merlins and RM right now.
Modern warfare rules out the use of large drones like watch keeper for artillery spotting and heavy vehicle landings in an amphibious assault. The concepts these systems were based on are out of date which is why they have no direct replacement. We didn’t come up with a direct replacement for horse mounted infantry or gliders either.
Agreed on Watchkeeper- just not survivable on a modern battlefield.
I’d like to think that the replacement will not be like for like, but actually far lower unit cost, more mass and at least equivalent capability- devolved further down so that (maybe) even batteries would have organic drone spotters. If I understand correctly, we didn’t have enough Watchkeeper for that level of direct feedback to the guns.
And yet they are buying Protector.
Is that not also a sitting duck?
This is why I think long endurance UAS are unsustainable for combat beyond the maritime and littoral environments (not necessarily shipborne).
Prop powered, high altitude aviation is never going to survive with systems like S400 able to shoot them down cost effectively (marginal for Watchkeeper, or should have been) well behind our own FLOT. The only way of getting close to the enemy is by being either too small to notice or too fast to shoot down, neither of which is conducive to the MALE concept.
This is why GA-ASI have now moved into marketing Protector for the MPA role and Mojave for the USMC, where IADS can be avoided much more easily while still providing useful data and weapons carriage.
Protector, I don’t know. If they get Spear on them they might have a role as standing missile trucks, able to be relocated across theatre to hot points and fire from standoff range, but until then we might as well convert them to MPA or keep them monitoring the Middle East.
What gun’s
Ukraine proved that large drones aren’t useful against an opponent who actually has their shit together, early on the TB2 drones caused havoc but Russia adapted and now they’re basically never seen.
Do you see the USN retiring it’s full gator navy? No, this is Labour treating defence like an after thought.
To be far, the USN has to still be able to force an apposed landing against a peer as part of its defence strategy…the UK does not need to consider this as a core capability anymore. one day the U.S. may have to dump a divisional level formations into the first island chain as china shoots at it.
Actually yes, the USMC is going through much the same process now as the RN/RM
Anti ship ballistic missiles guided by satellite is now a thing.
That means stationary large warships are sitting ducks.
The trend will have to be for quicker more agile deployments from smaller or better defended vessels.
The quotation from the defence secretary does not say that one of the carriers couldn’t be mothballed. Were a carrier to be mothballed, they would simply say that they are continuing to maintain a carrier strike capability – after all France manages with one carrier. They could throw in some rhetoric of “working in tandem with our French allies to coordinate carrier deployments”.
This week the government effectively eliminated the core of the UK’s amphibious capability … but supposedly “core programmes and capabilities are not in jeopardy”??
Exactly. Given how many decisions are being made public before the defence review, the fact that Healy didn’t confirm that both carriers are safe isn’t as reassuring as the article seems to assume. We could mothball one and still do CSG 25.
I think it will be a case of carrier rotation, one on, one off to guarantee Carrier Strike 360 days a year.
Probably on a 3 year rotation cycle.
It would make a lot of sense, if we order the additional F35B’s, it would mean we can surge 36 jets ( three squadrons) onto the Carrier, that represents a ‘considerable’ strike capability to bring to the party, in fact, that’s more capable than most airforces of the world.
Especially when they are fully equipped with Meteor and Spear 3 ect.
Maybe we could give one Carrier to Australia and then we can keep the Amphibious ships, or at least one of them? Indo-pacific tilt etc
Give? Maybe an AUKUS tri-share agreement? And we do have a nice harbour here in Sydney to park it in!😆 But no F35Bs here in Aust.
Interesting take on CSG2025, that it shouldn’t hit the Indo-Pacific. I do take the man’s point about threats closer to home. But we’re in (potentially) the most expensive defence programme that the UK will commit to in the next 50 years -Tempest- with Japan, not to mention updates to Meteor and other things. We’re also looking to deepen relationships with South Korea and are I believe trying to convince them to more actively support Ukraine. Are they really going to look to help with a conflict half the world away if we’re unwilling to show our support for their defence concerns? I agree with Healey, we should definitely send the carrier group out east.
Besides, Russia has a Pacific coast- why not sail the CSG a bit further north with a few Japanese and/or USN vessels and remind Putin that we could sink his Pacific fleet quicker than it took Ukraine to reduce the Black Sea fleet?
The fact there was statement means there was a discussion.
New English spelling for idiots materialised with Healey’s cuts:
L.A.B.O.U.R.
Of course there was discussion, it’s a defence review…you discuss everything when doing a review, even the nuclear options.
The reality is this decision was taken months ago in effect. The current diminished state of our military is the responsibility of the last government of 14 years. They had the chance to reinvigorate it. They didn’t take it.
You trust any mealy mouthed politician at your peril.
Frankly my contempt for the lot of them is increasing exponentially by the day. I cheered when Labour won, I thought, foolishly finally we have a government with its head on straight regarding defence. HOW WRONG I WAS.
We all know these capability gaps will never be filled. They will be quietly forgotten about. Scraping the Albions is a colossal mistake, their replacement if they are ever built are still at the bank of the envelope stage.
My frustration is getting to the point where we should just disband all three arms of the military at once and get the utter embarrassment over in one go rather than this drip feed .
How our Defence Secretary can stand up in one breath admit the barbarians are approaching the gate and in the next announce a raft of cuts beggar belief.
Carry on up the Kyber springs to mind , where the civilian asks the ambassador when the Hostiile natives are at the gates. He asks “ what are you going to do” the ambassador replies “ Do, Do, we are British, we will do nothing until it is too late”. This joke has become a reality.
I remember when the amphibs were safe too.
I trust Healey, and Labour, about as much as the local CND rep.
Sorry all.
Go and search what Healy said about Indo Pacific deployments whilst in opposition. He certainly has changed his tune.
👍. 🕳️🙃Btth
Not keeping bulwark is a mistake simple as. Everything else I was ambivalent about to be honest.
Scrap one we cant afford them both and the £100, million a pop F35s, and we cant defend em anyway. Living in the past. In a full on conflict they wouldn’t last 2 days. Britain’s days as a swashbuckling maritime nation are over ,we dont have the money or the people . Either scrap one or better still get rid of Trident thats totally reliant on the US for arming and support and doesnt seem to work very well. We dont even have UK missile defence system to protect us against missiles and drones isnt that more important for thats where the greatest comes from. Protect our shores first
The LPDs should be kept and repurposed as sea drone carriers perhaps carrying autonomous or remote mini submarines.
With a smaller crew as no marines would be carried.
👍Like the idea as they have been used as motherships before.
Thanks for your reply.
I like Keeping one in the gulf as a depot. The air is drier than here. Even have foreign crew for certain roles on board and have them as RFA assets.
Most merchant ships run on foreign crews and we have Ghurkas dont we.
Another good idea. Thanks for your reply.
The carriers are safe: the Board has complete faith and fully supports the manager! The day we believe a word John Healey says we truly are doomed. Doomed I tell yah!
So Healy has done a big u turn, whilst in opposition he was a vocal critic of sending our carriers to the Pacific now he’s all for it. I guess now he has his grown.up trousers on he realises how childish some of the statements where, said purely to have pop rather than reason and sound judgement..
“However, I absolutely do not want you to take that as a signal that any part of our programmes and capabilities—to be clear—are in jeopardy”
This does amount to anything being safe. He went on to say everything is being looked at. So as an example they could cut F35 back to 1 airframe and claim we still have a 5th gen fighter program and 5th gen capability and Healy has not lied . OK that’s an exaggerated example. This type of lawyer speak doesn’t mean capabilities won’t be cut.
I do think a round the world Carrier deployment should happen asap. It might not be able until 2030s if a solid stores ship was needed.
With new frigates able to go for the ride.
This is just the appetizer, wait for the SDR cuts. They will leave the armed forces at the level of Holland at best.
It would madness to get rid of our carriers ! We need more warships, guided missile destroyers! We desperately need to ramp up our armed forces at present, especially with Putin threatening us ! More fighter / bomber aircraft, more tanks, armoured vehicles, more armies, more anti missile shields, more submarines, more guns. Those carriers can take the war to Putin, especially when working in conjunction with American carriers !
There is not a single politician will say in public that they believe war with Russian is even a remote possibility. Until they do nothing will change
Putin has said we are at war. What more do we need him to do before we wake up. I find it amazing that anyone in Government can get a fair nights sleep.
We could easily get ‘Pearl Harboured’ next Friday.
So the carriers are safe from cuts, fine! But not exactly safe from the utterly dire lack of escort vessels!!