British firm could manufacture new RAF jets in Scotland

In the next 5 years sure but what about the 2030s-2050s. Who knows what the political landscape will be like then. Nobody expected Brexit yet here we are.

What with childish or simplistic comments like ‘idiot’ and ‘highly unlikely to leave’ the standard of debate is on this thread is hardly reaching new heights of insight is it. Sounds like a Trump Cabinet meeting.

And if we didn’t ?

Unless of course mate the SNP policy of dishing out camper vans is increased from not just its leaders but to all voters who choose SNP!!!!! 😂😂😂! Seriously mate there will be no split, most reasonable people like a bit of Eng/Jock banter (very much like RAF Reg/rest of the Army) but know it’s better together! Certainly since it’s being shown a high percentage of online SNP support is from the Tehran troll farms. 👍

…this is getting surreal like it or not the likelihood of Britain rejoining the EU in the foreseeable future is certainly no greater than Scotland leaving the Union which you claim to be pretty much a distant threat. Even for a Govt that wants to rejoin (like this one) and with a likely majority of voters now wanting it, doing so is going to be extremely difficult to manoeuvre through the extensive hurdles for as far as I, indeed any reasonable observer can see ahead. Closer and closer cooperation is the only likely change. Scotland and Independence is a far more erratic question that only a fool would claim to have answers beyond this decade. Labour is quickly failing north of the border as a rejuvenated Great White Hope and its support could plummet again, while the Tories are hardly likely to make any real impact so as the SNP scandals fade from memory their support could easily rise quickly. Political parties are so dire presently there is hardly any high ground left and unless the UK can somehow weave a present obstacle strewn route through US clear intent to feed off of everyone to fuel its oligarchs riches while allowing enough trickle down to fool the MAGArettes and try to generate some UK growth and wellbeing then it’s hardly naive to think the Scots might in despair (if delusion infested) believe independence can’t be worse. It would be difficult beyond 2030 when no one can claim we need yet more time to see if Brexit is working, to keep refusing another referendum. So very reasonable, indeed sensible to consider the implications of feeding so much of our future defence investment north of the border. After all everyone claims this Country is too short sighted in planning our future needs.

You have no idea how things are going to play out in the future. If the vast majority of Scots hated the Tories then how are they going to feel about a potential reform government? If Scottish support for independence was around 30% or less then I wouldn’t have a problem but as you know it’s far higher than that. It’s not just politics, the UK’s economic outlook is pretty poor and who knows if we can turn that around or not, we could be looking at decades of slow decline and it’s entirely possible that Scotland and N.Ireland may want to jump ship at some point. If that happens then it’s only natural that I would hope that the government has a plan in place to try and minimise the damage to rUK’s defence production but the more likely answer is that rUK’s has no plans and would be caught out like a deer in headlights.

What’s a US country, or French country or German country then. I am so confused by British countries.

Agree with that. The snp have been the party more people voted for due to policies that affect them not because of independence. Sure a few might but not the majority

That is to say I am sure companies locating from one stage to another for manufacture, the federal government of USA do not worry about that state leaving, so businesses locating to another UK state, (or old kingdom of you will), principality or province should not be an issue.

Like on here you mean?

Have you been in a coma for the last 25 years? We have a President across the pond who only got that position because of his exposure on a damn ‘business’ game show that as has happened (if thankfully on a far reduced scale) even with the 15 minutes of fame 40 years ago Alan Sugar here. Media and now social media is the most influential instrument in the World to manipulate opinion, it’s why Russia and even Iran spend millions on the trolls and bots, it’s why Musk took such a financial hit to buy Twitter and why Trump first wanted to kill TicTock then embraced it when he realised it got him elected. If you think the Scots are immune then sadly that is the exact delusion that makes people so vulnerable to it. The advertising industry earns billions despite the endless refrain from the public that adverts don’t influence them. Yeah right, so again who are the idiots.

Point of geography Mark. BAE has a shipyard on The Clyde which is on the west coast of Scotland. Babcock’s “frigate factory” is 50 miles away on the east coast at Rosyth on The Forth Estuary.

I don’t think most of it comes from English Nationalism at all and certainly even less in the arguments on this forum. The fact is this Country is struggling to finance anything like all it needs in wealth and services and is highly unlikely to turn that around, so the threat of eventual Scottish Independence despite the naysayers here or elsewhere is a substantial threat beyond 2030 (don’t people remember how close it was a decade back). Now giving Scotland its fair share of investment generally is right, even giving them a bit extra over competing and neglecting Ted regions like Wales and the South West, I can see as politically (less so morally) understandable to try to sustain the Union. What worries me (though far less so in this possibility in all honesty) is investing on a scale that is going to be incredibly difficult to reverse at a later date should worst case Scotland leaves the union. I remember the old Govt meme that (rump) British warships would not be built in an independent Scotland. That might have had some substance at the time of the last referendum but now? How could naval shipbuilding be moved to England? It’s fanciful to think it would be financially feasible should the worst happen, the Govt would have to pay for it and in what World could it afford that not to mention the disruption it would cause. At best it would take decades and what would the companies involved think about the prospect, could the workforce be transferred, how long to train a largely new workforce if required, what added costs in bringing any new facility up to efficiency? What crippling measures could a Scottish Govt consider, real or as blackmail as we try to manage this change of events? All these factors really don’t bear thinking about (but right that we hope someone in Bovt is) so best that we hope we are never have to be faced with prospect. However I think to put these deeply concerning prospects down to mere English Nationalism is not helpful a break could have devastating consequences, even if this move is only a small part of it and far easier to handle in that worst case scenario. At least I guess unlike a decade ago, the navy should be a pretty new fleet before that prospect might hit us so timing is everything.

Damn, I thought I got away with it !

Well OK, we’ll let you get away with it just this one time!

Point proven ‘CJ’

This is hands down the best comment I’ve seen on here 😂

‘Fight, fight, fight!’

#Day21

Keyboard warriors are people that talk shit and try to abuse online because they’re to scared to do it face to face I’m not

And me.

I read they were planning a test flight in 2024 but it didn’t happen. Aeralis founder Tristan Crawford is a very experienced and well qualified aeronautical engineer and has built an extensive network to develop and test the design; Airbus, RR, Atkins, ITEC, Siemens. But yes, of there is a prototype sitting somewhere under a canvas cover it would be good to see it.