The Ministry of Defence (MoD) has announced a comprehensive framework for missile defence research and development, titled Science and Technology Oriented Research and Development in Missile Defence (STORM).

The contract will manage the delivery of research covering all activities to counter ballistic missiles and advanced threats, including but not limited to simple non-separating threats, complex separating threats, Manoeuvring Re-Entry Vehicles (MaRVs), Multiple Independently Targetable Re-Entry Vehicles (MIRVs), Hypersonic Glide Vehicles (HGVs), Hypersonic Cruise Missiles (HCM), and hybrid threats.

The research required will cover analysis, experimentation, trials, and technology/system development across all pillars of missile defence:

  • Counter-proliferation: Measures to minimise the spread of missile technology.
  • Deterrence: Measures to discourage the use of missile threats.
  • Counterforce: Actions to reduce the quantity of missiles and supporting equipment available to an aggressor during a conflict.
  • Active defence: Strategies to detect, track, intercept, and disable or destroy missiles in flight.
  • Passive defence: Measures to mitigate and recover from the effects of missile impacts.

The STORM framework, with an estimated budget of £110 million to £251 million, addresses a broad spectrum of missile defence activities. According to the MoD, the contract will “manage delivery of research covering all activities to counter ballistic missiles and advanced threats including but not limited to simple non-separating threats, complex separating threats, Manoeuvring Re-Entry Vehicles (MaRVs) and Multiple Independently Targetable Re-Entry Vehicles (MIRVs), Hypersonic Glide Vehicles (HGVs), Hypersonic Cruise Missiles (HCM) and hybrid threats which share characteristics with BM, HGV and/or HCM.”

The MoD outlines the historical and ongoing challenges posed by ballistic missiles: “Since the first V2 attack on London in 1944, ballistic missiles have posed a near constant threat to the UK, its overseas interests, and forces. Adversaries continue to invest in and proliferate increasingly advanced ballistic and manoeuvrable threat systems to challenge our freedom of action.”

The MoD specifies the pillars of missile defence research under the STORM framework as follows:

  • “Counter-Proliferation: Measures to minimise the spread of missile technology.”
  • “Deterrence: Measures to discourage the use of missile threats.”
  • “Counterforce: Actions to reduce the quantity of missiles and supporting equipment available to an aggressor during a conflict.”
  • “Active Defence: Strategies to detect, track, intercept, and disable or destroy missiles in flight.”
  • “Passive Defence: Measures to mitigate and recover from the effects of missile impacts.”

The UK Missile Defence Centre (MDC), a unique government-industry partnership within the MoD Head Office, will spearhead the STORM framework. The MDC is responsible for all UK missile defence Research & Development (R&D) and provides support to decision-makers on all aspects of missile defence. The MDC was established to “provide a pipeline of funding to sustain SQEP (Suitably Qualified and Experienced Personnel) in relevant UK industry sectors.”

The MoD highlights the strategic importance of the STORM framework: “The Missile Defence R&D Category Strategy, approved in May 2023, recommended creation of a new route to market bringing together core research and technology maturation projects into a single contract, enhancing research outcomes and supply chain efficiency.”

The selected contractor will work closely with the MDC to “design and manage a contract pipeline to deliver the Missile Defence R&D category’s research requirements.” This includes large, multi-year research technology maturation projects, multinational and multi-supplier trials, and short-term rapid analysis. The coordination function is envisaged to be co-located with the Missile Defence Centre in Farnborough.

The notice further details that “the research required will cover analysis, experimentation, trials and technology/system development across all pillars of missile defence.”

The STORM framework is part of the 2020 MOD Science & Technology (S&T) Strategy, which aims to “sustain, exploit, and develop UK industrial and academic expertise to continue to develop next-generation and generation-after-next technologies applicable to Integrated Air and Missile Defence.”

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George has a degree in Cyber Security from Glasgow Caledonian University and has a keen interest in naval and cyber security matters and has appeared on national radio and television to discuss current events. George is on Twitter at @geoallison
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Callum
Callum (@guest_832213)
2 months ago

Well that’s about as tortured an acronym as SHIELD in the Marvel comics, but at least its catchy and dealing focusing on an important subject. I’ll still maintain the answer for the UK is simply reinforcement of the RN; for the primary missile threats to the UK that we can physically counter (cruise and ballistic missiles), the most effective option is air defence vessels deployed between us and the Arctic where Russian or potentially even Chinese submarines would be based. Combined with increased ASW assets to drive those submarines further away from the UK mainland and thus increase the time… Read more »

FormerUSAF
FormerUSAF (@guest_832239)
2 months ago
Reply to  Callum

Believe you are correct in assessment that additional investment in the RN, especially upgrades to T-45 class, may be the most timely and cost effective interim measure available to upgrade UK missile defence. Meanwhile, STORM R&D programme hopefully makes substantial progress in defining a comprehensive solution of missile defence. Would not anticipate deployment before mid-late 2030’s.

Bob
Bob (@guest_832241)
2 months ago
Reply to  FormerUSAF

Can they be manned while undergoing maintenance, because most of them spend their life tied up atm? 🙃

Spyinthesky
Spyinthesky (@guest_832732)
2 months ago
Reply to  FormerUSAF

I agree, the first stage should be close co-ordination with Japanese plans as they have made the decision to go from land to naval based defence due to cost, vulnerability and local objections, all things likely to impinge on our planning.

AJ
AJ (@guest_832807)
2 months ago
Reply to  FormerUSAF

Deployment mid 2030s. Will the UK even exist then in its present democratic form. The problem with tech is that cheeper/mass produced tech rules. Over complete stuff and you have both time (as your enemy) and cost. Make 5, near bankrupt the country, and once “sent” you have nothing in the cupboard. USA followers that principle, just look at their most recent flying wing aircraft. They bent one and cannot afford to repair it as cost and time to effect repair is OTT. And that wasn’t even the latest version which costs even more. Stop the war I need a… Read more »

Marked
Marked (@guest_832359)
2 months ago
Reply to  Callum

The handful of ships we have are needed for fleet defence not homeland defence. If that’s their role we might as well scrap the carriers because come wartime there will be no escorts to enable them to sail anywhere.

Callum
Callum (@guest_832360)
2 months ago
Reply to  Marked

Hence why I said the answer is REINFORCEMENT of the RN, not just reforming the Home Fleet with the assets we have.

If this were done with the most obvious option (increasing orders of existing ship classes), then a nice benefit would be that we could also deploy those ships elsewhere when the missile threat to the UK is judged low, which is basically always.

Phil Harris
Phil Harris (@guest_832429)
2 months ago
Reply to  Callum

As an interim measure, why not just replicate the relevant parts of the T45’s highly-capable area weapons systems ashore?

Spyinthesky
Spyinthesky (@guest_832740)
2 months ago
Reply to  Callum

I understood your logic Callum, esp as the timescale would unlikely to be shorter with a land based solution as compared to a ship based system in reality, people need to understand the inevitable planning issues this would entail unless a totally mobile option is made available. That would be the only land based solution that should be considered but depends entirely on what technology and options that would allow and indeed if infrastructure where it would likely need to be located. Otherwise entrenched locations will be a serious liability and would need more locations and greater depth and layers… Read more »

Mark
Mark (@guest_832387)
2 months ago
Reply to  Marked

I think they should keep the. 4 latest updated type 23’s for another 5-7 years service patrolling Scotland and Northern Island for solely ASW… Use them in pairs one Northern East England to the Scottish Isles and second team covering Irish sea and out in the Atlantic and up west of the Scottish Isles. I believe we spent Millions on 4 ASW and 1 GP Frigate With new seaceptor radar and other systems.. They are capable ships especially keeping them close to the coast line.That would free up new coastal/River batch 2′,s has there representing GB. . In. .Many othèr… Read more »

Meirion X
Meirion X (@guest_832662)
2 months ago
Reply to  Mark

“….sell POW to a European Allie because we will nevé have 2 of when needed…”

That’s why the RN have two carriers, so if one is not available, due to refit or repair, etc, the other will step in to fulfill a priority role, proved earlier this year with PoW stepping up to take QE’s place in the NATO exercise in North Atlantic and Baltic. The French can’t do this, with only one carrier!

Last edited 2 months ago by Meirion X
Mark Lucas
Mark Lucas (@guest_832445)
2 months ago
Reply to  Callum

A ban on all Russian ships & submarines in the Atlantic/ Mediterranean/ Pacific & water’s of peaceful countryside should be put on the table…as long as Russia keeps threatening to fire nuclear weapons & as long as the war in Ukrainian continues. The EU, K , US & all partners of piece should talk about this . 🖖

Rob N
Rob N (@guest_832642)
2 months ago
Reply to  Callum

By pinning naval assets to defence of the land you are just wasting one of your most potent assets. A better way would to buy ASTER 30 block 1 land bassed SAMs like the French. These could be upgraded to 1NT and block 2 when they become available.

Callum
Callum (@guest_832646)
2 months ago
Reply to  Rob N

Defence of the UK is the primary role of the navy, and all of the armed forces for that matter. Land-based defences have are a far lower chance of interception, and require a lot of manpower and money that can only do one thing. A warship, on the other hand, can be positioned far closer to the threat, intercept earlier in the attack, and can do additional tasks. Also, to repeat myself again, I specifically stated the additional ships could be deployed elsewhere as needed. More ships gives us flexibility; nothing would be “pinned” to the mainland, but we could… Read more »

Spyinthesky
Spyinthesky (@guest_832745)
2 months ago
Reply to  Callum

Agreed. As I say let’s go talk to the Japanese who have spent years coming to that very same conclusion in an island Nation environment. If with their economy they found the cost of a land based system a serious impediment, though I suspect their plan was rather more complex than any solution we would likely look to impliment. France is simply not comparable as it is not an island nation and it can’t stick ships on its border with Germany.

NKT
NKT (@guest_832931)
2 months ago
Reply to  Spyinthesky

You keep saying that, but the Japanese have aggressively (for them) expanded with military bases across the southern most islands of their territory. Building on land is not expensive, it’s faster, and gives good results. More targets and more point defence systems are a good thing.

DaveyB
DaveyB (@guest_832914)
2 months ago
Reply to  Callum

In one respect I would disagree. That is the means of detecting a threat to the UK. We have a fairly decent ground based radar network. However, with only 3 Wedgetails, this is simple not enough to cover the UK 24/7. So my main change would be to expand the Wedgetail fleet.

Bob
Bob (@guest_832214)
2 months ago

First act (and possibly the easiest to implement) should be to counter the threat of submarine launched cruise missiles.

Frank62
Frank62 (@guest_832216)
2 months ago

While other nations have ballistic defence systems already in place, we belatedly form another committee.
Let’s hope there’s money at the end of the process to actually deploy sufficient missiles/defences in a timely fashion.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli (@guest_832218)
2 months ago
Reply to  Frank62

That’s the thing, we have so many studies that absorb hundreds of millions there’s no actual hardware at the end of it.
No other choice if we’re to develop our own and not buy OTS.

ABCRodney
ABCRodney (@guest_832255)
2 months ago

You know my opinion maximum speed, simple logistics and leverage existing systems.
Just take the T45 Land based Sea Vyper with all available mods and stick say half a dozen locations around UK. Plus one each at Gib and Cyprus.
If you put them on highpoints in UK that’s a lot of coverage for not a lot of money.

Rst2001
Rst2001 (@guest_832301)
2 months ago
Reply to  ABCRodney

Good common sense approach with good bang for buck . Let’s hope

Coll
Coll (@guest_832338)
2 months ago
Reply to  ABCRodney

I wonder if would easy as moving the Sampson radar test facility up in Portsmouth North. 50.856560333550746, -1.0901735023464483 Google Earth. As a start. Oh, the SAMPSON radar is no longer in production.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli (@guest_832444)
2 months ago
Reply to  Coll

That’s Portsdown Hill, the LBTS. I don’t think the RN, who test their new kit there or QinetiQ, who run the place on behalf of the MoD, would approve!
Why move it north? Use it in situ, most strategic government, military and R&D installations are actually in the South and West of the UK, many a legacy of WW2.

After, if it’s feasible, as Rodney suggests.

Spyinthesky
Spyinthesky (@guest_832753)
2 months ago
Reply to  Coll

Well the inherent technologies are still being worked on, Bae were proposing various developments including the third upward looking panel not that long ago. Equally such platforms aren’t exactly production line products and it never was in such small numbers so producing new small batch versions are perfectly feasible though inevitably expensive but then SPY radars are hardly corner shop either. Nothing comparable will be cheap either.

ABCRodney
ABCRodney (@guest_832932)
2 months ago
Reply to  Coll

I don’t think the RN would take too kindly to that facility being moved, as it’s more than just test it’s the training facility. And many things have gone out of production but it doesn’t mean they can’t restart them (Storm Shadow for one). If they built 6 and tied them to SMART L MM then you have the basis for a very effective system. Some folks look at Japan and their decision to not proceed with a version of land based AEGIS but 2 extra have AAW Destroyers. That’s fine if you don’t tend to deploy overseas like the… Read more »

Quentin D63
Quentin D63 (@guest_832373)
2 months ago
Reply to  ABCRodney

Truck based SAMP/T with the latest Aster. That would be a sensible start and doable within a few years!! Surely!?

Spyinthesky
Spyinthesky (@guest_832760)
2 months ago
Reply to  Quentin D63

I agree that’s the sort of land based solution I feel is indeed practical, higher end solutions esp as it becomes inevitably less mobile in nature should be overwhelmingly sea based.

As an aside don’t know if looking well to the future some air based solution might become feasible, probably fanciful.

ABCRodney
ABCRodney (@guest_832937)
2 months ago
Reply to  Quentin D63

Problem with mobile is it’s more expensive than fixed and it requires more maintenance and manpower. And SMART L MM isn’t exactly easily portable.
I’d go fixed for a U.K system but SAMP-T for the Army.

You need both !

Dahedd
Dahedd (@guest_832375)
2 months ago
Reply to  ABCRodney

Bingo. Land based T45 system, already have one sat above Portsmouth (?)

Start with the Northern Isles, RAF Lossie or RAF Buchan (peterhead), the Borders and work south. Airbases and ports need protection from rotating Sky Sabre batteries & a follow on T31b or T32 should be a full fat Iver Huitfeld style air defence ship to supplement the T45.

Quentin D63
Quentin D63 (@guest_832376)
2 months ago
Reply to  Dahedd

Yes, 2-4 AAW T31/A140s could also be good for the LRGs. And the cross-sharing of ASTER/CAMM/other missile inventories for greater utilisation.

Spyinthesky
Spyinthesky (@guest_832763)
2 months ago
Reply to  Quentin D63

That’s why Callum’s thoughts do make sense rather than limiting our thinking purely to precious T-45s. We have a potential solution as a base platform in early stages of its production if we want to go in that direction that isn’t restricted to home defence either.

Quentin D63
Quentin D63 (@guest_832379)
2 months ago
Reply to  Frank62

It seems pretty poor doesn’t it? Should be having a bit more foresight and action on all this and a whole lot sooner than later. Even the Japanese are going ahead with a couple of super AEGIS ABM style cruiser at 20000mt I believe. If you can’t have 1-2 those, there’s the Italian DDX, T31 that could all have AAW variants to complement the T45s. How long are they going to take on the T83?

Frank62
Frank62 (@guest_832380)
2 months ago
Reply to  Quentin D63

I suppose the Tories only care about themselves, so either have the dosh to flee abroad somewhere safer or build their own bunker. The rest of us just don’t matter to them. Why else leave the country so terribly defended? In WW2 at least we had some air raid shelters.

Quentin D63
Quentin D63 (@guest_832384)
2 months ago
Reply to  Frank62

I think the word for it is “neglect”, possibly some “stupidity” too, for leaving the country potentially very exposed. Nice to have all the ships, planes, missiles, tanks, but the home base needs to be protected.

Last edited 2 months ago by Quentin D63
AlexS
AlexS (@guest_832485)
2 months ago
Reply to  Frank62

What does this have to do with Tories?
Do you see anyone on the left calling for air defence missiles? or instead cultural appropriation -as usual only in one sense- gender blah blah etc…

Frank62
Frank62 (@guest_832488)
2 months ago
Reply to  AlexS

It’s they who’ve left us without air defence from missiles, dangerously short of air defence escorts & gapping serious capabilities etc. Many other countries have ballistic defence systems.

AlexS
AlexS (@guest_832499)
2 months ago
Reply to  Frank62

False. UK have never had a ballistic missile defence.

The short range 8km Rapier was replaced by 25km Sky Sabre in 2021.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli (@guest_832510)
2 months ago
Reply to  Frank62

Bloodhound was removed post 1991. Rapier in 2 RAFR Sqns in Scotland went a bit later, timeline I forget. From 2004 on, Labour cut: The RAF Regiment Rapier Sqns. The RAF Regiment Rapier Sqns that supported USVF at RAF Stations. Reduced 3 TA AD regiments on HVM to 1. Reduced 2 Rapier Regiments to 1. Reduced 2 HVM Regiments to 1. So 7 Regiments to 3. The Tories kept this ORBAT till current times and started replacement with modern kit. Just for balance, as I know you think the Tories are the font of all that’s wrong with the UK… Read more »

Frank62
Frank62 (@guest_832519)
2 months ago

Hi Dan, I only blame the Tories for what they did under their watch of course. How about cutting all the subsedies to privatised companies who robbed us blind whillst awarding themselves bonuses & dividends, or the PPI contracts for unusuable PPI? Or the subsedies for the HOC resturant or bar? Or MPs pay & expenses?

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli (@guest_832529)
2 months ago
Reply to  Frank62

Hi Frank.
Oh, I was only thinking of the money MoD already has allocated. If Labour are more efficient and close some loopholes I’d support that. If!
Interestingly, I did read of Healey promising some attention to this area. I just hope it’s not funded by cutting needed capabilities elsewhere, which is a big fear.

Spyinthesky
Spyinthesky (@guest_832773)
2 months ago

I think realistically you have spelled it out accurately there. However we underestimated Putin, his madly driving us into WW3 wasn’t quite on the agenda pre Ukraine.

Spyinthesky
Spyinthesky (@guest_832769)
2 months ago
Reply to  Frank62

You sound like me, difficult not to be cynical about the ‘little peoples’ value to the elite. Been watching Fortnite on Amazon, even a video game inspired production of this nature scarily illuminates this thinking… and devised by English originators too so maybe we aren’t so unique in our thinking here. Could be worse mind we could have toxic misfiring rockets falling on us every couple weeks as in China, at least ours crash at sea.

Spyinthesky
Spyinthesky (@guest_832747)
2 months ago
Reply to  Frank62

Probably not but in the mean time it keeps those in the ruling classes ungainfully employed which seems to be the whole purpose of Britain these days.

Trevor G
Trevor G (@guest_832217)
2 months ago

This feels like the beginning of another. painfully long process (per T45, T26, UAVs Ajax etc) involving many years before operational deployed kit becomes a reality. Would be delighted to be proved wrong…

Ivor N'idea
Ivor N'idea (@guest_832282)
2 months ago
Reply to  Trevor G

I think you will be proved wrong because at the end of a long process deployed kit wont become a reality.

Tommo
Tommo (@guest_832283)
2 months ago
Reply to  Trevor G

And by the end of this all , hey presto Barrage balloons as all the funding went on R and D

DH
DH (@guest_832397)
2 months ago
Reply to  Tommo

What a load of hard blow that was, wait, not that sort. 😁. 🕳️, back to the hole.

Jonny
Jonny (@guest_832229)
2 months ago

I’d rather we got a proper missile defence system. I guess we won’t get any big ticket items until Labours big defence review happens now.

Jack
Jack (@guest_832232)
2 months ago

1) Do we need missile defence ?
2) If yes, is there a solution that already exists and is available to purchase ?
3) If yes, purchase it.

Rfn_Weston
Rfn_Weston (@guest_832238)
2 months ago

Surely we could integrate existing targeting tech to tie in with Flyingdales and build fixed installations in strategic locations with a newly developed interceptor – Or SM-3… For less than £110 million?

A few well placed installations would quickly blank out the entire UK.

Instead lets spaff £110 Million on F*ck all with nothing to come from it.

Quentin D63
Quentin D63 (@guest_832385)
2 months ago
Reply to  Rfn_Weston

Fylingdales itself should have some defensive protection. Should be plenty of power supply there to plug stuff in!

Spyinthesky
Spyinthesky (@guest_832776)
2 months ago
Reply to  Rfn_Weston

Movable locations have enough trouble in Ukraine let alone a few fixed ones.

Jonathan Rose
Jonathan Rose (@guest_832248)
2 months ago

Will it be to protect the entire UK, or just basically London?!!

Ivor N'idea
Ivor N'idea (@guest_832279)
2 months ago

Bet the UK Missile Defence Centre are finally excited to have something to do. Guess they have just been drumming their fingers on desks and waiting for lunch since they were formed.

Rst2001
Rst2001 (@guest_832299)
2 months ago

Well at least under Grant Shapps we now have a Specific Drone Program and a specific Air Defence program in focus which are crucial to uk defense . Both of which have been severely lacking under past commanders , defense secretaries and politicians . And he got Ajax further down the road, as well as a few more ships . So on the whole I think Grant did a great job in his short time . The research for air defense is great but uk obviously needs air defense today . As a stop gap we should be looking to… Read more »

David Owen
David Owen (@guest_832319)
2 months ago

British ballistic defence ,eh future defence secretary to future prime minister, the tory bxxxxxds privatised it and then sold it off,oh dear says the prime minister 🙄, well the concept anyway 🙄, prime minister-eh how much did they get ?errr eh 2 pints of Guinness bottle of red and a Chinese take away oh and a golf holiday for 2 in Skegness,

Roy
Roy (@guest_832326)
2 months ago

Then the government will give it to the eu as part of the military hand over of our forces to brussles

Coll
Coll (@guest_832334)
2 months ago

I wonder what other announcements we will get at Farnborough.

Coll
Coll (@guest_832341)
2 months ago

Is SaxaVord only a remote air defence radar?

Exroyal.
Exroyal. (@guest_832404)
2 months ago
Reply to  Coll

Saxa is a Remote Radar Head. Having visited it many times the last being just before Covid, one thing struck me every time was how vulnerable it was. Stuck up in the air, completely unmanned. No attempt to harden up defences in any shape or form. It would take one man with a few demolition charges and it would be gone. Or even a missile or two. Brilliant location for getting a radar picture of the area towards Iceland,Faroe and Norway. Google Satellite gives you an idea. Of all the times I was there it was usually bathed in mist… Read more »

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli (@guest_832449)
2 months ago
Reply to  Exroyal.

Interesting. I’d read the place had legacy Cold War shelters, the odd Yarnold bunker, and so forth.
All our RRHs, and just about every other nations, could probably be described in a similar way.
The security is, I guess, more technical than physical.
But how do you protect such a place?
Where are the resources to prevent some bloke with an NLAW type weapon sitting in the heather near by and firing at it?
An RAFR Flight per RRH?

Exroyal.
Exroyal. (@guest_832452)
2 months ago

You raise good points as a defensive position it has the advantage ofhigh ground. However with standoff weapons even basic ones the term sitting ducks springs to mind. Contrast that However with the no longer. RAF Ash.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli (@guest_832460)
2 months ago
Reply to  Exroyal.

Big difference though mate! 😆 RAF Ash was the standby CRC, a C3 location in an R3 underground bunker, it’s not going to be easily targeted. Similar CRCs in R3s existed at Neatishead and Buchan, all deactivated under LABOUR ( for all the Tory bashers on this thread ) And another remains at Boulmer. We are considering RRHs, nor CRCs with no radar and hidden below ground. How do you defencea RRH in peacetime? I suggest it’s not possible with the resources available and only in war or movement to war would forces be allocated, if at all. Thinking of… Read more »

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli (@guest_832448)
2 months ago
Reply to  Coll

As royal says, the correct term is RRH.

Marked
Marked (@guest_832358)
2 months ago

More millions spent to produce reports and waffle. Its what the bulk of our spending seems to go on.

Derek
Derek (@guest_832363)
2 months ago

Another bloody committee/talking shop – save the millions they will waste on hot air and instead buy a load of drivable SkySabre systems.

Mark
Mark (@guest_833050)
2 months ago
Reply to  Derek

Agreed, another “bl**dy committee” 😶. Most RV’s & hypersonics (except HS Cruise) above 33000ft, so SS could only operate in terminal phase of flight. Means we would need abs loads of them. All this means we need a proper long range high altitude solution (or solutions) if we don’t want missiles landing on UK soil or UK forces abroad.

Paul
Paul (@guest_832365)
2 months ago

Do you mean we already do not have a defence shield. The now defunct Government really was a shower of s.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli (@guest_832450)
2 months ago
Reply to  Paul

This “defence shield” didn’t exist under the previous Labour one either, Paul.
Rather than Tory bashing I suggest posters look up the history of the ASCS post Cold War.

AlexS
AlexS (@guest_832532)
2 months ago
Reply to  Paul

There was never a defence shield.
Only Israel can be said to have a defence shield. Others have better than UK but no one really can cover every important part of their countries.

UK in top of cold war had Bloodhound but that was a missile to intercept the Soviet heavy bombers. It would never intercept a supersonic missile fired from those bombers.

And Rapier missiles to defend airbases and land forces. You could have put B-17 bomber in top an airbase at 8000m altitude and the Rapier would not hit it…

Nothing more.

Last edited 2 months ago by AlexS
DH
DH (@guest_832405)
2 months ago

A light hearted moment,” Shtormy vedder” _Blazing Saddles. 😊🕳️Btth.

Kibosh
Kibosh (@guest_832410)
2 months ago

I am surprised that there is still the impression that sanctions or treaties will address proliferation issues. That boat has sailed. 3 priorities need to come into focus. 1. Innovation, develop products that are effective, with domestic talent, thus, the education system needs to focus on developing talent, which is challenging under the current pay models, and politicaluzed curriculum. 2. Manufacturing, the ability to produce the devices and systems in sufficient numbers and at quality levels necessary for effective operations. 3. Deployment and operation, this is the most important aspect, to field both clear and poor weather devives, to deny… Read more »

Cripes
Cripes (@guest_832458)
2 months ago

HMG and MOD have been extremely negligent here, leaving us wide open to missile attack. It is very late in the day to start an R&D programme pondering what missiles we might need, they are needed now. This looks like a standard MOD bit of flimflam to suggest serious action while actually kicking the ball into the long grass of R&D, with any actual procurement years away. I don’t know if one missile type would be able to handle the wide range of threats, from UAVs to stealth air to cruise and hypersonic missiles. I note Poland has gone for… Read more »

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli (@guest_832511)
2 months ago
Reply to  Cripes

I’m in agreement. I’d give the job to the RAF Reg and RAuxAF Reg but would need more pers8nnel.

Gigel
Gigel (@guest_832479)
2 months ago

So….the UK is really planning to go to war and is expecting to be targeted.
Strange times to be alive.
Make peace, don’t find excuses for wars!

Airborne
Airborne (@guest_832557)
2 months ago

They love their acronyms for such projects, but let’s be real, it should read project TURD, Tosh, Unfunded Research, Deffo not going to happen!

SteveC
SteveC (@guest_832563)
2 months ago

Interesting to see the concept behind the intercepting hypersonic missiles. Say the approach at 5000ft, that’s a ball-park detection range 70miles for ground based detection. That’s 72 seconds to intercept, to get a radar lock, establish a track, calculate an intercept vector, activate and slew the intercept launcher and launch the missile. All the time the projectile has been moving 1 mile per second. The tinniest error and it’s a miss. The Patriot system in the Iraq war, even with dual launches, was allegedly circa 10% successful. Even with airborne detection, the detection range is greater, but Russian hypersonic apparently… Read more »

DaveyB
DaveyB (@guest_832929)
2 months ago
Reply to  SteveC

That’s more than doable. I could tell you the T45’s PAAMS detection, assessment then reaction time, but that is secret. But suffice to say a T45 would easily handle the situation you have laid out. The big issue with Patriot in Gulf War 1, was that an anti-aircraft system was being asked to do an anti-ballistic missile role. The missiles being used did not have the correct fuzing timed to detonate the warhead ahead of the interception point. So a lot of the time, the proximity fuse detonated the warhead after the Scud had passed by. Patriot in the 1990’s… Read more »

NKT
NKT (@guest_832938)
2 months ago
Reply to  SteveC

Nice theory, but Russia has been pushing at us for the last more than a decade, then, with a gap of a decade or so, for 65 years since WWII! They show no sign of stopping.

John Hartley
John Hartley (@guest_832580)
2 months ago

So instead of buying something off the shelf (a SAMP/T battery for 500m) they will instead blow £250m on having lovely lunches, flying the world business class, staying in 4/5 star hotels & end up with nothing ABM wise to show for it. Way to go the deep state. Snouts still firmly stuck in the trough.

Michael Brigg
Michael Brigg (@guest_832602)
2 months ago
Reply to  John Hartley

Too late, this research should have been ongoing starting decades ago, and missiles in place years ago. So called research money that will be spent on committes, lunch breaks, basically having a jolly good time, and the usual making it last as long as possible with no commitment at the end for any actual hardware to do the job.

John Hartley
John Hartley (@guest_832836)
2 months ago
Reply to  Michael Brigg

I was at the MoD in Whitehall in late 97. One big wig wanted a THAAD purchase included in SDR98. Never happened. They have just spent the last 26 years going round in circles, wasting money & buying nothing.

marco
marco (@guest_832598)
2 months ago

Its about time.

Rob N
Rob N (@guest_832644)
2 months ago

Got excited for a minute and thought we were actually going to buy a land based SAM for homeland defence like the rest of Europe. But instead we are not deploying anything and are just doing research… i am sure we will have a well modelled system when the Russian missiles come in….

Mike
Mike (@guest_832697)
2 months ago

Definitely more ships would be a good start.

Chris
Chris (@guest_832770)
2 months ago

As we retire the T45’s might it be useful to park these around the country, next to HMS Belfast in London, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Cardiff, Belfast and Ashford in Kent with a land based skeleton crew to keep the radar and missile systems operational, all other systems can be mothballed or moved to other ships. They may not be as good as the type 83 that replaces them but 48 aster and 24 ceptor close to our enemies targets might fit STORM’s brief

Cognitio68
Cognitio68 (@guest_833008)
2 months ago

There is nothing to research. There is a known requirement and there are known products which offer solutions. Simple answer by the most appropriate solution now then move onto the next problem. We’ve got to get out of this culture of Whitehall navel gazing.

Bringer of facts
Bringer of facts (@guest_833031)
2 months ago

Israels Arrow 3 seems to have performed very well against IransbBallistic missiles, maybe we should buy that and possibly build more under license.

Mark
Mark (@guest_833045)
2 months ago

So, more “feasibility” and otherwise vacillation & obfuscation by MoD “Sir Humphrey’s” et al? The answer is actually far simpler than this. Simply get on with it and buy Patriot and maybe even THAAD. These are the obvious solutions that the rest of the first world use. Land Forces should do their thing without recourse to UK Airborne / Seaborn assets that will undoubtedly be needed on other duties, (or rely embarrassingly other nations assets). UK might consider sea based systems from land batteries? Mobility would be impaired, but the UK is fairly small geographically. Sadly this STORM (in a… Read more »

Mick davies
Mick davies (@guest_841364)
1 month ago

Bring back Bloodhound!!!!😁

SD67
SD67 (@guest_841854)
1 month ago

FGS why do we need yet another research project? There are products available now, just buy them. By the time the research is finished Putin will be at the gates of Paris