As part of the newly signed Trinity House Agreement, the UK and Germany are set to collaborate on the development of advanced Uncrewed Aerial Systems (UAS) and maritime drones.

This joint effort aims to ensure interoperability between future combat air systems and strengthen military cooperation across multiple domains. The landmark agreement, signed by UK Defence Secretary John Healey MP and German Defence Minister Boris Pistorius, highlights both nations’ commitment to advancing their capabilities in unmanned air systems and future connectivity.

According to the joint statement from the two nations, “The UK and Germany will work jointly, in close co-ordination with Allies and partners, to develop and employ Uncrewed Aerial and Offboard Air Systems to ensure interoperability between Future Combat Air Systems.” This will involve the integration of common missile systems into drone fleets, such as the Brimstone missile, and sharing plans to develop interoperable offboard systems.

The agreement sets both short- and medium-term goals. In the short term, the two nations will focus on enhancing precision strike capabilities, with the integration of missile systems like the UK’s Brimstone into uncrewed air systems. As the joint statement explains, this involves “joint integration of common missile systems into drone fleets to enhance precision strike capabilities, drawing benefit from each nation’s previous experience.”

In the medium term, the partnership will focus on “joint exploration and development of cross-system Combat Cloud capabilities across aircraft fleets,” which would allow data sharing and seamless operation between both crewed and uncrewed systems. Additionally, new maritime uncrewed air systems will be developed to improve naval operations, further strengthening the interoperability between the UK and Germany’s forces.

The Trinity House Agreement also underscores the importance of aligning with NATO standards, with the joint statement highlighting the need to “support implementation of NATO-agreed common standards to ensure connectivity and collaboration between fighter aircraft, reinforcing inter-generation and (un)crewed teaming.”

This collaboration on drone technology represents a significant step forward in UK-German defence relations. Defence Secretary John Healey hailed the agreement, stating, “It secures unprecedented levels of new cooperation with the German Armed Forces and industry, bringing benefits to our shared security and prosperity.” Similarly, German Defence Minister Boris Pistorius noted, “We will jointly increase our defence capabilities, thereby strengthening the European pillar within NATO.”

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AlbertStarburst
AlbertStarburst (@guest_865483)
4 hours ago

So what happens when the UK wants to use them or send them to say Ukraine?

Michael Hannah
Michael Hannah (@guest_865519)
3 hours ago

If they would just let the Ukraine forces fight with both hands it would be over a lot quicker and the policy of trying to contain it has failed miserably.
The involvement of NK cannot go unanswered .
Letting Storm Shadow and ATACM off the leash would be a good start. Providing funds and materials to expand Ukraines own advanced missile production would also greatly shorten the conflict.

Andrew
Andrew (@guest_865628)
24 minutes ago

This is just an agreement on co-operative development. I’m sure the ability of both countries to use any missles independently will be enshrined in the detail
This won’t be like the europfighter
These weapons likely won’t be full of ITAR that we have to beg permission of the US to export. It’s about cost sharing amongst other things

Jim
Jim (@guest_865486)
4 hours ago

So we are now the lead developer on the only manned 6th gen aircraft in the world under active deployment and we just removed the main partner from FCAS to work on drones with us instead of France.

None of this seems to tie in with the narrative I keep reading of the UK being a diminished power bla blah blah.

Perhaps we can all stop talking about TSR2 being the end of the UK aviation sector😀

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli (@guest_865489)
4 hours ago
Reply to  Jim

Would be great if something comes from it.
I’ll keep my hopes in check I’m afraid till there is something more than just politics at work.

ABCRodney
ABCRodney (@guest_865507)
3 hours ago
Reply to  Jim

Jim just for once I sort of agree with but from a slightly different slant. Simple fact is we have been building joint aircraft with Germany for 4 decades and overall it’s worked (most of the time). Where we are a great standalone power is in our ability to be nice to France on one hand and quietly undermine them on the other. It’s nice to see “La Perfide Albion” is alive and well, it’s also about the only cross party skill both the Tories and Labour agree on (AUKUS / SSN and now Drones / Missiles). I would love… Read more »

Jim
Jim (@guest_865576)
2 hours ago
Reply to  ABCRodney

Agreed, one thing I think it’s important to note is that it’s the UK leading all the developments, that has been pretty clear after we left FCAS and then brought others like Japan in while France continues to flounder. The UK is at the heart of every major international collaboration they USA and France are completely uselsss as these international collaborations We should start giving ourselves some credit instead of hanging our collective heads in shame that we are some form of lesser power for not doing solo projects. The fact is we are the very best in the world… Read more »

Tullzter
Tullzter (@guest_865601)
1 hour ago
Reply to  Jim

“the very best”….lol nothing of worth has come out of Britain in the last decade or two…armament wise it’s all been procured from the US

Michael Hannah
Michael Hannah (@guest_865512)
3 hours ago
Reply to  Jim

Frankly any partnership with the Germans rings alarm bells in my head. They caused an enormous amount of mischief with Typhoon which cost substantial time and money, they are the Polar opposite to the Japanese and the Italians to work with. To the best of my knowledge, according to a friend who works in French Avaition, FCAS is still alive although France and Germany are worlds apart on capability, work share etc and frankly I don’t want them involved in Tempest, unless it is on take it or leave it basis, they could set the project back years when the… Read more »

Marty
Marty (@guest_865515)
3 hours ago
Reply to  Michael Hannah

Marmite

Marty
Marty (@guest_865517)
3 hours ago
Reply to  Marty

Sorry, I meant this joint effort, It’s like Marmite, you either love it or hate it.

Michael Hannah
Michael Hannah (@guest_865532)
3 hours ago
Reply to  Marty

I got the reference although some non Brits might not.
They had better get the paperwork right.

Jim
Jim (@guest_865580)
2 hours ago
Reply to  Michael Hannah

I agree on Germany and I woukd keep them a million mikes form Tempest, I woukd be prepared to develop drone with them especially if this puts a wedge between them and the French in FCAS. If you knock out FCAS yiu double the exports for Tempest it’s that simple. With the Germans buying F35 they don’t want a manned FCAS anyway. Just have to make sure the supply chain for what ever we jointly develop is outside of Germany but that can be done. On TSR 2, No one bought F111 in big numbers, few bought Tornado, people have… Read more »

Michael Hannah
Michael Hannah (@guest_865592)
1 hour ago
Reply to  Jim

I agree about the Germans not being part of the Tempest partnership and I doubt the Japanese would allow it. I disagree about them wanting an unmanned FCAS because of the F35. Nor do I think it will drive a wedge between the French and the Germans, the deal does not specify a loyal wingman . A crucial component in all these 6th gen programs but one that is never mentioned. On TSR 2 we will agree to disagree, many aircraft designs have never been in combat but are successful aircraft none the less. Nobody bought the F111 for a… Read more »

Marty
Marty (@guest_865610)
1 hour ago
Reply to  Jim

If Tempest actually becomes a thing, It’ll be potentially a World wide sales success given that the US will not export their own 6th gen offering. Whether the FCAS even leaves the drawing board as a joint German/French offering is still up in the air (so to speak). The Tempest project has huge potential, I just hope it goes ahead as I can see it being a major sales success just like the halcyon days of British aviation many decades ago.

Coll
Coll (@guest_865546)
3 hours ago
Reply to  Jim

Isn’t there still one next gen program in America? I know the navy or Air Force cancelled it.

Coll
Coll (@guest_865549)
2 hours ago
Reply to  Coll

And SCAF

DanielMorgan
DanielMorgan (@guest_865578)
2 hours ago
Reply to  Coll

There are two sixth generation fighter programs in development in the US – The USAF and USN. The USAF has not canceled NGAD and has two, maybe three prototypes already in flight. The USAF plans to deploy a sixth generation fighter but is concerned about cost and is re-evaluating just how much it can afford. The US is about ten years ahead of Tempest, which, by the way, is a fifth generation, not a sixth generation fighter.

Jon
Jon (@guest_865603)
1 hour ago
Reply to  DanielMorgan

The USAF was maybe 6 or 7 years ahead of the UK before the recent rethink. It remains to be seen what dividing the per-unit budget by three does to their program.

I’ve heard US commentators say that Tempest and SCAF are really only 5th gen, but that’s nonsense. System of systems, virtual cockpits, adaptive engines, what do you think Tempest will be lacking that will mark out NGAD as a generation ahead? Or maybe I should say what will mark out what’s left of NGAD.

Marty
Marty (@guest_865606)
1 hour ago
Reply to  DanielMorgan

Interesting that you say Tempest is 5th gen not 6th, can you clarify that please, I was under the understanding that Tempest was very much a 6th gen aircraft.

Patrick C
Patrick C (@guest_865625)
37 minutes ago
Reply to  Marty

again its an arbitrary thing, if there is a known technological leap over 5th gen that would be enough in my eyes. but for USAF they may deem 6th gen to be stuff like directed energy weapons (and the ability to power those) and very long range meaning larger size but also new engine tech (it looks like the engine on the NGAD will initially not be groundbreaking tech that they’ve been working on as it may not be ready, i forgot what engine it was). with 5th gen for instance its obvious what the ‘leap’ was which was stealth… Read more »

Marty
Marty (@guest_865629)
24 minutes ago
Reply to  Patrick C

I see what you are saying but there are a few Blur’s, Typhoon is often mentioned as a 4.5 gen aircraft whereas F22 is known as a pure 5th gen one, F117 seems to have slotted in between them both just like B2, F35 and B21. Tempest has been specifically designed to take the next gen leap and as we are yet to see any specifics, I’m going to hold my breath and cross my fingers on what actually gets built, just like Dreadnought. I do hope Tempest becomes the leading edge aircraft that the hype is suggesting though.

Marty
Marty (@guest_865554)
2 hours ago
Reply to  Jim

Active Deployment ? Did you mean Active development ? I think the US and Franco German projects are also active in their development to some degree but we are far from having an actual deployment.

Jim
Jim (@guest_865583)
2 hours ago
Reply to  Marty

Sorry yes development, neither the USA or France are in active development, they are both at technology maturation phases.

We are literally building a prototype now.

Patrick C
Patrick C (@guest_865626)
32 minutes ago
Reply to  Jim

the USAF has already flown a 6th gen prototype, they announced that a couple of years ago. they are being extremely close guarded with information due to all the intel china/russia got in the F-35 as it was a more public program. we didn’t get any info about the B-21 until it rolled out of its hangar for the press. a lot of it is still not being told like how many engines it has or if the smaller weapons doors are to carry AA missiles. even the AIM-260 which is rumored to be in service they haven’t even released… Read more »

Jon
Jon (@guest_865593)
1 hour ago
Reply to  Jim

The supporting drones for SCAF and GCAP will now likely be compatible even if the manned jets are very different. I think this was always a theoretical goal, but now there’s a mechanism: German join involvement.

Tullzter
Tullzter (@guest_865599)
1 hour ago
Reply to  Jim

France already has a drone program with the Rafale F5

Jonno
Jonno (@guest_865609)
1 hour ago
Reply to  Jim

No we should be talking about TSR2 precisely because Labour hasn’t a clue. Their love affair with Europe wont end well. If we dont learn from our mistakes we repeat them. Only the Nordics, Holland and the Poles and perhaps the Italians are to be trusted.

Patrick C
Patrick C (@guest_865623)
51 minutes ago
Reply to  Jim

the USN F/A-XX and USAF NGAD are still being developed with the navy downselecting which contractor to go with in the next few months it looks like.

Bloke down the pub
Bloke down the pub (@guest_865518)
3 hours ago

The UK already operates the Protector uas and the maritime surveillance version, the Sea Guardian is in operation worldwide and is well regarded. So we are now going to reinvent the wheel in order to butter up the Germans at the cost of millions of pounds from the defence budget.

SailorBoy
SailorBoy (@guest_865524)
3 hours ago

This doesn’t sound like a new drone, just like the air defence stuff isn’t necessarily a new system.
It’s more about increasing commonality and the ability to work together operationally.
The new maritime drone is a bit odd, maybe a joint programme for SeaGuardian with European systems?

lordtemplar
lordtemplar (@guest_865531)
3 hours ago

sounds like the Germans want to place the Eurodrone for maritime, afterall it was them that insisted on expensive twin engine.

Geoff Roach
Geoff Roach (@guest_865521)
3 hours ago

GOOD, but please let’s not take years working out endless detail.

Geoffi
Geoffi (@guest_865528)
3 hours ago

How long until we admit them to Tempest or their project and our project get merged ?

Then we will see the usual Germany. Promising to order hundreds to get workshare, then cutting the order.

Last edited 3 hours ago by Geoffi
Michael Hannah
Michael Hannah (@guest_865534)
3 hours ago
Reply to  Geoffi

Exactly why if they did join Tempest , it must be on take it or leave it basis.
Given the Japanese mentality, they will not be up to the standard German games especially as the project is progressing nicely on time and budget.

Marty
Marty (@guest_865535)
3 hours ago
Reply to  Geoffi

We (UK) cut our order of Tornado and Typhoon too.🤔

Tullzter
Tullzter (@guest_865602)
1 hour ago
Reply to  Marty

and F35

Marty
Marty (@guest_865618)
1 hour ago
Reply to  Tullzter

I deliberately left F35 out as there is still talk of 138 being procured over the lifetime (down from 150) and I fail to see how we could equip both our carriers with anything else over the next 43/ 45 years (in theory) of their predicted life expectancy. I dread to think of how many Defence Reviews would be had over that period though. This latest bunch have already given me the jitters re Diego Garcia.

Rob Young
Rob Young (@guest_865537)
3 hours ago
Reply to  Geoffi

But then, we’ve been known to do that as well.

Marty
Marty (@guest_865564)
2 hours ago

Wasn’t project Teranis merged with France a few years back ? Nothing really came of that even though it was at the time deemed to be the future.

Tullzter
Tullzter (@guest_865604)
1 hour ago
Reply to  Marty

Taranis became NeuRon, which is well on its way to equip the Rafale F5 variant

Marty
Marty (@guest_865621)
56 minutes ago
Reply to  Tullzter

Sorry, I’m not understanding that, Taranis and Neuron were two separate programmes that sort of merged for a while. How do they equip the F5 Rafale ? Surely you mean they are supposed to be some kind of complimentary UAV like a Loyal Wingman. ?

Tullzter
Tullzter (@guest_865630)
18 minutes ago
Reply to  Marty

Yes a wingman is what i meant. They’ll become part of the Rafale ecosystem

Marty
Marty (@guest_865634)
5 minutes ago
Reply to  Tullzter

OK, cool. I just thought they were a separate system. It’ll be interesting to see just what the UK come up with.

Pacman27
Pacman27 (@guest_865567)
2 hours ago

Or we could finish off Taranis – which was the output of the last UK/FR collaboration that ended up with nothing for the UK to show, whilst France seem to have pursued the Taranis design further.

Marty
Marty (@guest_865605)
1 hour ago
Reply to  Pacman27

I’m guessing some tech and lessons learned will filter down to Tempest though. There was some rather interesting airflow talk.

Pacman27
Pacman27 (@guest_865620)
58 minutes ago
Reply to  Marty

I guess as MOD are world class at talking.

it flew and looked the part – surely it could have been put in the field. we have to stop this messing about and get used to delivering kit into the field.

the US can afford mega expensive R&D – we cannot – it has to have a purpose and take something that works to the next evolution.

Boxer and Schiebel 100 – adopted 10-20yrs after first being involved – there’s a bit of a pattern going on here.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli (@guest_865627)
31 minutes ago
Reply to  Pacman27

I guess as MOD are world class at talking.”
Agree.
We seem to waste billions on R&D we then do not actually adopt.

Marty
Marty (@guest_865637)
6 seconds ago

Hi, Teranis was at the time, the most technically advanced project on the Planet, if my memory serves me well. Yet here we are and nothing really to show for it. We do spend Tax payers money rather easily it seems. (are you on here much ?, I’m rather new here but I keep seeing you post, I also see a few others but you seem to have a more balanced approach ?)

Jonno
Jonno (@guest_865608)
1 hour ago

So from now on we have to ask the Germans before we strike Russia? Ukraine will also have its hands tied.
Without Prime Minister Johnson and the UK the Ukraine would have fallen by now.
Am I making myself clear!?

Mark B
Mark B (@guest_865615)
1 hour ago

Why are we doing everything possible with the Germans all of a sudden. I sort of thought WW2 had put it’s population off war for several generations.