Ajax, the British Army’s new armoured fighting vehicle has been tested in extreme cold in Sweden.
According to the Ministry of Defence, in order to provide confidence that the vehicle is capable of withstanding the varying environmental conditions, the vehicle was subjected to a number of controlled climatic chamber trials.
“All requirements have been tested individually in these previous chamber trials; the in-country trial is a combination of these in a representative environment, with the inclusion of mobility aspects, ISTAR and firing trials.”
The objective of the trial is to accumulate a body of evidence against the requirement set to complement sub-system test results and system-level (Cold Chamber) trial
results.
Last year, the turret for Ajax successfully completed further manned live firing trials.
The milestone took place at a trial in west Wales. The formal qualification trials are testing the vehicle’s CTAI 40mm (CT40) cannon and the 7.62mm chain gun.
The phase tested firing from a static vehicle on a static target. The trials will continue over the coming months, progressing to fire on the move, and at a moving target say Lockheed Martin UK.
The manned firing generated data to support the process of manned crew clearance – assessing the safety and suitability of the platform for use by military personnel.
Corbyn gets ever closer! What are the chances of this vehicle reaching its planned fleet number, if Labour gets in? In fact, what future has UK defence have under such leadership??
Little to none.
I don’t think it will come to that though; Corbyn is still seen as unelectable by many and it’s only the government’s piss poor handling of Brexit that has buoyed him in the polls. If an election were held soon it’d be yet another hung parliament. No way would Labour get a majority under Corbyn.
Even if he had to get into bed with the SNP, they’d want to keep defence alive due to all the work in a Scottish shipyards. The unions would also demand the same.
That said, I’m all in favour of May and Corbyn working together if it can produce some kind of result. No Deal IMO would be awful. I’m in favour of the Norway+ model put forward the other day; free trade agreement without a customs union. Still means freedom of movement but that doesnt bother me.
We will only get a Norway Deal not a Norway Plus. A Norway deal is a bad idea as it will mean that we are controlled by the EU but have no say in the EU… It has a few minor benefits but they are not worth it. It would be better to simply stay in the EU and have a say in what happens. I am however in favour of talks between May and Corbyn as this should have happened months ago. The problem is that so far, Corbyns ideas have been completely incompatible with the EU so I am not sure how anything will really change. He is does after all hate the EU…
Morning all.
“government’s piss poor handling of Brexit ”
Yes, of course, they have been a disaster ( deliberately ) and Nigel Farage warned as such long ago, but as usual was ignored. And lets not forget the role of the opposition. Attempting to block just about every move made since Article 50 was delivered. Hundreds of Labour Leave constituents with MP’s “representing” their electorate by doing the opposite in the house and voting remain.
MP’s from the Tories are being deselected in some seats, curious why the same is not happening in Labour areas?
Both main parties ran for election in 2017 to leave the Single Market, Customs Union, and the EU. We already had the “Brexit” election. Both are in breach of their manifesto.
UKIP voters, over 4 million in 2015, deserted the party to support Labour or the Tories, rightly, as UKIP is too small to ever win an election and thought their voice, and message, had been heard and understood.
Someone explain to me please WHY if so many are up in arms about leaving why they did not vote Lib Dem in 2017? Their vote remained poor, and it is their policy to stay in the EU! That is democratic and fair.
What is happening here is not.
The whole thing has been neatly stitched up to the choices of leave but not leave, or Remain.
The reasons for leaving have also been conveniently ignored, and the economy taken centre stage. People did not vote to be richer or poorer, they voted to leave and regain sovereignty! Short term bumps to the economy accepted, for long term growth.
But Project Fear can not accept that. much of which has been shown to be baloney.
I agree with Lee1 concerning Norway.
May’s and the EU’s “deal” are the same. We are left as a rule taker with no unilateral means to withdraw from anything.
The real “Deal” comes after in the Political Declaration when FT deal is discussed, so WHY are people bleating now about No deal? We’ve not got there yet!
But the EU will make sure we are punished, so the deal on offer hamstrings the UK, making us unable to set tariffs lower than what the EU equivalent is in any new FT deal with the 45 nations waiting for one. So no advantages allowed, only a “level playing field” And that is sovereign and fair is it?
Corbyn is a curious one considering he has always been anti EU, and so are the Unions who support him.
He wants out of the Single Market so he can spend an estimated £120 Billion to re nationalise public services, which I believe under EU rules cannot be nationalised?
Not sure how true that figure is just what I read.
He will want free movement though as Labour want as many migrants as possible in the country, one because they believe they will vote for them, and two due to the ageing population. This is great until he then moans about public services which are already at breaking point, but lets add 300,000 a year to the population to that, ongoing, just to pressurise them a little more…
Are these people in cloud cuckoo land? Have they seen the gridlocked roads, the full up prisons, school class sizes too big, the Green Belt being built on for yet more homes, Doctors unable to give an appointment without a 2 week wait, and all the rest?
The answer is not just provide more services, it is to align that with a sensible migration policy!! THAT is one of the major reasons for the Leave vote, controlling borders. All so easily forgotten…
Corbyn talking with May equals Remainer talking with Remainer. Great.
Nothing will change apart from the whole thing collapsing. These delays are deliberate and May and Olly Robins know precisely what they are doing.
I can guarantee whichever Remainer rises up to deny or debate this will ignore most of the points raised, as they always do.
As I have said before, I’m sick to death of the whole thing.
And if the choice is leaving in name only with exactly the same chains on the nation as now, or remain, then lets get on with it and remain and ignore the biggest vote this nation has seen.
And see what the future brings….civil war, the nation’s population reaching above 70 million and rising, the indigenous population feeling even more displaced and marginalised, far right parties becoming more powerful ( as is happening now on the continent ) and damn every one of you politicians who put your business interests, noses in the EU trough, and other globalist agendas ahead of the peoples vote in 2015.
Labour candidates have been deselected, however only those that are aligned towards Tom Watson and therefore not aligned with Momentum.
As for migration. Migration from the EU was for the most part, skilled individuals who added a great deal to our GDP. Migration from outside of the EU was a higher proportion of unskilled people. The thing is that we have always had full control over migration from outside of the EU and have never done anything about it. We need migration, we just need to make sure those migrants are adding to our economy rather than taking away. EU migrants were never the issue in that case.
Thanks Lee1
Have they? I missed that. Which Labour MP’s have been deselected by their local associations for supporting Remain in Leave areas?
Not the independents, they resigned.
“The thing is that we have always had full control over migration from outside of the EU and have never done anything about it. We need migration, ”
I accept this. So why has nothing been done.
Agree migration is necessary. It saddens me when some, like me complain about migration and are instantly branded right wing shaven headed nationalistic thugs. Nigel Farage has always accepted migration is part of life, it just needs control, whether a points based system or whatever.
Instead all we get is, UKIP, thug, racist! It is ridiculous. A serious conversation is needed at national level on this subject, the voters spoke on it, and it is being ignored.
I don’t know just how skilled many of the EU migrants are actually, my cousins son has come here to work in a supermarket as there is no work in Italy. Not skilled, comes for work and fine pays into the economy, and also contributes one more to the overcrowding.
Whether the migrant is from inside or outside the EU is beside the point as so far as there are too many people coming here, whatever their point of origin.
In West Midlands 5 MPs have been deselected as they are not supporters of Momentum. Or to be more precise they are not being allowed to run for election in the next vote. I imagine they will end up going to Change UK. Others have been at least threatened with deselection for criticising Corbyn over anti-semitism, I think at least some of them were not deselected in the end as it was turning into a PR nightmare. It is nothing to do with Leave or Remain, it is to do with Momentums dictatorship style. They are trying to get all those that do not support Momentum out of the Labour party.
Thanks Lee1
Yes I had read of what Momentum are doing, getting rid of moderates and replacing with Corbyn drones.
I was asking specifically for examples of deselection due to their MP’s behaviour in Parliament., as has happened in some Conservative cases, concerning the 2016 referendum.
Skilled workers from Poland Bulgaria Romania Latvia and places East???
I think not. All these people do work like chicken abattoir. Or serving coffee.
We can agree all we want but we do not remain a free country unless we control our currency or control our borders and leave the EU political system. The majority of other things are minor.
And any govt can and will change things following various elections as the years go by. BUT once we leave the EU… It’s going to take a huge change to get us to rejoin.
Danielle. Unfortunately UKIP were full of Thugs and Racists along with Farage being a bit of a crook. I absolutely accept that not everyone that voted for UKIP were Thugs and Racists but when an organisation is infiltrated to such an extent by such people it is going to lead to everyone being tarred with the same brush. I also understand that not all people that voted to leave did so due to racist agendas. However again the most shouty people on this matter do generally get the headlines and they are the ones more likely to show racist behaviour.
I agree that a solid debate should have been had regarding immigration. I think it was the lack of such debates that lead to unfortunate vote to leave the EU. I also think that debates should have been had regarding the role of the EU in the UK. There is a lot of misinformation out there, some of it is purposeful and some of it is just a pure misunderstanding of how the EU works. I think if those discussions had taken place then we would not be in the situation we are now in. The problem is that those discussions are too late now. They really should have had an adult debate during the Referendum campaigns but all we saw was two sides trying to childishly score political points and sound bites against each other! They are still at it now. I am continually embarrassed when I watch Parliament. Many MPs are literally shouting across each other in order to stop the others from speaking in a way we teach our kids not to do. Many politicians are like feral kids! I can go to a football match and witness far better behaviour than is shown in Parliament!
I dunno man parliament is very entertaining (apart from the deliberate obstruction and fudge that is brexit) debates should be lively full of passion otherwise you end up with sterile drone like pretence . Our style of parliament is best you just need to look at the ?that is pretty much everywhere else.ORDER ORDER ?
“Danielle. Unfortunately UKIP were full of Thugs and Racists along with Farage being a bit of a crook”
See Lee, this is where we diverge in a big way.
You live in the States I believe? So have you first hand experience of course, of these UKIP racists, or just read of them in the left leaning newspapers?
I’m a UKIP member, attended dozens of meetings, know lots of “Kippers”,gone out on campaign knocking on doors, I have not seen any. There were even Black and Muslim UKIP members at meetings. Most members I met are fed up Conservative voters.
There is indeed a shaven headed football hooligan type fringe from the NF who would vote UKIP, much as there are momentum thugs in balaclava’s who support labour, though they are not UKIP members as far as I know but appear at Tommy Robinson rallies.
It is mud like that which you yourself repeated thrown constantly by the establishment and the liberal left that sticks. And it is all too easy for Remainers to shout race while ignoring of course Momentum thugs, Labour anti semitism, conservative racists, and all the rest.
I was at one Brexit demo and there were Socialist Workers party protesters with placards shouting “racists” continuously. So sad, so wrong, and so deliberately inflamed by their Marxist masters.
One child at school was reported by a teacher to the police for having UKIP material. Ridiculous.
Farage a crook?! He has stood for that belief for decades, despite endless abuse, unlike May who changes tack every 5 minutes, looking for votes and any way to stay in power, Labour who’s Brexit policy changes with the wind, and hundreds of MP’s fiddling their expenses, second homes, and all the rest. Crook! Don’t make me laugh, compared with that lot??
He also disassociated himself with the current UKIP situation now they have moved further to the right, which many disagree with. My membership expires this year and I will join whatever party mast he ties his flag too, hopefully along with millions of others.
He made one fatal mistake, resigning after the referendum rather than holding the establishments feet over the flames with a UKIP with millions of votes behind it.
Lee, where are you getting MP’s are being deselected because they do not support momentum from? that is not true in the slightest, the MP’s are not listening to Labour members, not only that they are not listening to their own constituents, they were voted into a well paid job as an MP on the back of a manifesto, created by Labour members that they have been constantly attacking and undermining, while during the election they held it in their hand at doorsteps and on TV.
And then they join in the complete and utter smear that is anti-Semitism, there were more cases of anti-Semitism under the last Labour leader Ed Milliband than there has been under this current Labour party, yet back then there was not one single headline about it, yet a leadership comes in who is clearly pro Palestinian then now it’s a major issue, Israeli lobbyists have been filmed in Labour conferences advising Labour Councillors how to respond when anybody criticizes Israel, shout “anti-Semitism” as loud as you can.
These MP’s are Blarites through and through, they have a complete different ideology to the current Labour party, leadership and membership, like I have said since the start when they all resigned and forced a leadership challenge, resign your seat and stand as an independent in a by election because you have different views of the party you are supposed to represent, show some integrity, yet have they? have they balls because they are scared to lose against a Labour candidate, so they carry on in their well paid job, being on the TV and Radio, they are leeches.
“It is nothing to do with Leave or Remain, it is to do with Momentums dictatorship style. They are trying to get all those that do not support Momentum out of the Labour party.”
Do you know how a team works Lee? if two football players out of a squad are constantly attacking their manager, when the rest of the team and the overwhelming majority of the supporters back their manager, what do you think would happen to those players? they would be sold for Christs sake, this is not dictatorship it’s normal practice.
Dictatorship would Corbyn still being leader when all the party members want him out, it would be Labour not officially backing trident because Corbyn and Momentum did not want to, yet Labour members did and Trident renewal is official party policy.
I understand you don’t like momentum, people usually don’t like things they don’t understand or don’t “get”, a bit like your criticism of UKIP, who got millions of votes in 2015 election. But please try to at least speak the truth instead of peddling complete fabrication online.
Danielle.
Farage made money out of Brexit! He had people shorting the market based on his comments in the run up to the result announcement!
However I will accept that the UKIP people you know are not racist or thugs. I have met both sides. I have people that I know that are clearly decent people and are UKIP members. I also know of people that are clearly Thugs and were in the past football hooligans and they are also members of UKIP. That is my point though. Those undesirables have latched on to the Leave side and UKIP and have left a stain in the process. I am not saying that UKIP set out for that to happen but as we see now with its current leadership it has certainly been the way it has been taken. There was recently a remain march in London where 1 million attended. There were no reports of trouble among the protesters. The leave march a few days later had 10,000 people and there were a number of arrests for harassment and assault…
Agree 100% with your original post Daniele. Only thing I have to add is how bitterly dissappointing it is that labour are not representing the country. I feel that if they were, they would be having similar internal party debates as the conservatives are having, and that if the labour leave supporters combined with the Tory leave supporters they would have a marginal majority, representing the 52% that wanted to leave and we would actually leave (i.e. democracy working). As pretty much the whole Labour party wants to remain though, in spite of what their constituents want, they are the ones to directly to blame for causing this shambles and the whole ‘parliment not representing the country’ fiasco. I would say I’m surprised that this fact hasn’t been mentioned in the media, but I’m not. Just the BBC repeatingly advertising the pro remain petition online, the Independent calling Rees Mogg a racist and such like.
What is it about the Left saying ‘we know best’? I appreciate that’s one of the principle mindsets of the left, but it’s distinctly undemocratic. God knows how they have been labelled the nice party.
I would say the parliament is representing the country to a point. The views of the country at the time of the vote were around 50/50 (ie deadlock) and the views of parliament seem to be also at deadlock…
Although the views of the country are now swinging further towards remain so this is what is giving the MPs issues. It should never have been a simple majority vote as doing so has locked them into a problem where no matter what decision they make they are going to anger half the country…
Sorry man but it wasn’t around 50/50 more than a MILLION more people voted leave than remain so it’s pretty clear cut . As with everything there can only be one winner and a winning side there was people just need to accept it there ain’t no Hot Chocolate here bro everyone ain’t a winner
Spot on John.
“Although the views of the country are now swinging further towards remain so this is what is giving the MPs issues”
Nope, from what I read and hear No deal is what people want, the original, proper, Brexit, after which a comprehensive FT deal with the EU and other nations is arranged.
“It should never have been a simple majority vote ”
How else do we vote then?
Lets have Proportional Representation. Great, would have given UKIP around 90 MP’d in 2015 and destroy once and for all the establishment feathering their nest with a system that protects them.
“no matter what decision they make they are going to anger half the country”
Agree. That happens every general election too but that is democracy and one lives with it until the next general election comes along and you get the chance to remove those who are meant to be representing you…oh the irony!
The difference between a general election and Brexit is that Brexit is permanent a general election is going to happen again in 4 years…
As for how you would have something other than a simple majority vote… There is such a thing as setting a threshold. SO you would say if 60% of people vote to leave then we leave. That then would have given the government a clear population majority and clear support. 50/50 was always going to cause problems.
Also if you think that most of the country would vote again the leave then why is there such a problem with a confirmatory vote? Surely it will go in your favour and prove beyond doubt that we should leave?
I think we are to blame just as much as the politicians
Every single person who voted leave and then voted Labour or Tory, they are partially responsible for this mess.
Don’t vote leave one year then the next year vote for a party that has a remainer in charge, barely mentioned Brexit in their manifestos, nearly entire cabinet and shadow cabinet remain, and then complain when they are messing up Brexit haha you voted them in charge ffs.
You should of showed proper integrity and followed your leave vote with a vote for the party that campaigned to leave the EU, which was UKIP.
This country is a farce, this is the reason there never should have been a referendum in the first place about a massive nation changing decision. If enough people wanted to leave and voted for UKIP in the 2020 election then a leave party would take us out of the EU on the back of their manifesto that said they would. That’s how democracy usually works in this country. But no old Davy Cameron was shit scared of losing votes to UKIP so called a referendum and dumped us with a nation that voted to leave the EU then voted for parties that are remain along with a political establishment that wants to remain, and people wonder why we are in a mess.
Labour do not have a remainer in charge! The last time I looked Corbyn was the leader of the Labour party and he hates the EU and has campaigned to leave in the past! He is a full leaver, it is just he does not want to now admit to that as half of his voters want to remain…
“I think we are to blame just as much as the politicians
Every single person who voted leave and then voted Labour or Tory, they are partially responsible for this mess.”
I have to agree Sole, and sadly I was one of them. I switched because I thought, wrongly and somewhat naively, that as UKIP was too small and cannot barely get a single MP due to the FPTP system rather than PR I would vote Tory as leave was in their, and Labour’s, manifesto.
I made a similar point above on the Lib Dems. They stand for remaining in the EU. Fine.
@Solesurvivor….
The point is that the MPs in question are not attacking their leader, they just do not share momentums extreme views. Also labour is supposed to be a democratic party (they bang on about their democratic processes all the time) so in a democracy you can have differing opinions and not be punished for that. The MPs in question were deselected without being given a reason. They however are friendly towards Labours deputy leader… Labour is not a football team it is a political party that wants to lead our country. They should be held to much higher standards than a football manager! Now if an MP complains about being bullied and being a victim of racism from within the party then they should be able to speak up without being threatened with deselection.
“The point is that the MPs in question are not attacking their leader, they just do not share momentums extreme views”
What extreme views?
And yes they are attacking their leader, it’s nothing to do with not sharing views with Momentum, show me evidence of this.
So they are voted in while campaigning on a manifesto, then the day after the election abandon every policy in it because they never agreed with it in the first place, you think that is democracy??
No it’s not a football team but it is still meant to be a united party, you are not getting it, the entire Labour party membership do not want these MP’s in their party anymore because they do not represent the party, even the MP’s admit it, there is a space for a party that is neocon, Blairite policies, no one is saying they should not be an MP, but do it in a party that properly represents your politics.
Why are they still in a party when they don’t agree with their politics, don’t like the leader, disagree with the views of the entire membership? because they don’t want to lose their well paid job end of.
I think you are over egging the “Entire membership” I know a number of Labour members that would certainly not agree with that at all!
You can do your own research on those MPs.
One of them went to a Momentum meeting to genuinely see what it was all about. She has been a Labour member for 25 years. She questioned on thing and was attacked by pretty much the entire audience for being a fascist and traitor! She felt so threatened she left immediately, followed by a couple of the members who continued to verbally attack her all the way to her car! She has never experienced anything like that in all the years she has attended Labour meetings.
He got over 60% of the vote in the leadership contest and that was in 2016, by all estimates that share would of gone up seen as people that have joined since would be supporters of the current parties policies.
What Labour MP was that?
And what extreme views do these MP’s not agree with Lee?
They do not agree with the anti-semitism and the way it is being handled (or not being handled as seems to be the case) and they do not agree with the Marxism.
And yes he won with 60% of the vote… That does not count as all the membership… Also all polls suggest that his support has drastically dropped. There are certainly some people that I work with that were huge supporters of Corbyn but now are not happy with him or Momentum.
What anti-semitism? Anti-semitism is less now than what it was under Milliband.
What policies from the last labour manifesto would you class as Marxist?
Support for every politician has dropped, the political agenda is Brexit, it’s his weakest point and half the membership want to stay in the EU. But that’s hardly the point, you can’t accept the fact that labour members when given the choice have deselected these MP’s. Not because of any organisation, nothing to do with “Marxism” it is their own behaviour and support for policy that doesn’t belong in the Labour Party.
I’m not sure where you are going with this you have hardly answered any of my points, which is usually the case with you Lee I just say, your biggest problem is you fail to add “in my opinion” you try to peddle your opinion as fact on here, and then when called out your constantly weasel your way through it without addressing points or providing evidence to back up what you say.
I have addressed your points. Just because you have a rose spectacle view of Momentum does not make you correct. The MPs that were deselected are mounting a legal fight by the way… So I am sure we will hear the full facts soon enough…
There have been members who have been threatened with deselection for asking Corbyn to tackle antisemitism while those that are accused of it are effectively pardoned by the leadership. You can take that as you like, but it is not a good look.
You have not at all, I asked you to show me or send me the link to anti-semitism in the Labour Party.
I asked you to show me Marxism in labours last manifesto?
You have an opinion based on what you read in the media, I have an opinion based on being part of these organisations, some more than others, and being involved in dozens of meetings myself.
I’ll ask for the final time, what extreme views do momentum have? You said antisemitism and Marxism, can you show me please?
Hopefully Gavin Williamson would just do the same thing the previous Labour govt did and sign contracts to cover our capability gaps for the next 10 years that are so expensive to get out of they have to go ahead regardless of who is in government. QE and PoW would have been scrapped 10 years ago if exit penalties had not been in the contract.
When I was a ‘twenty-something’ in the seventies i.e. classed as ‘the future of this country’ in modern poli-speak (which would now prefer me being dead, apparently) we voted, with reservation, for the EEC; with Westminster swearing that no dissolution of our sovereignty would take place – ‘over my dead body’ was a quote of one politician (to be strictly fair, now probably dead). In other words, parliament was against an EU.
Decades later, when we’re finally allowed to vote on whether we actually accept what is effectively a fundamental change to our constitution, unknown anywhere else in the world & foisted upon us without so much as a by your leave, we find that our ‘representative’ Houses are indistinguishable for a sub-office of Brussels.
As with Steve R, I never expected much of a diminution in people wishing to come to the UK, whether from Europe or the wider world, but saw it as principally our choice not someone elses (an attitude I suspect is widely held among 17.5 million other britons) i.e. ‘free movement’ was a symbol not a de facto issue of our loss of democratic choice aggravated by the blatant contempt with which Cameron, our Prime Minister, & a europhile!, was treated. I disagree with SR over the ‘piss poor’ definition, though, as I don’t see any other person or group capable of anything better where realpolitics is concerned – beats me why anyone would want the task. Don’t share the sanguine view over Corbyn’s unelectability, either, since competence does not appear to be a requirement for potential leadership of any party, at present. Beg pardon for coming so close to a rant,
GG
The thing is Freedom of movement was something the UK pushed for and created… We have had Freedom of movement for hundreds of years and no one has batted an eyelid. This is one of the reasons the rest of the EU is baffled with the reasons the UK voted to leave.
From a quick Google….UK population
1700 8.2 million
1800 10.5 million
1939 46 million
2000 58.89 million
2010 62.76 million
2019 66.85 million
“We have had Freedom of movement for hundreds of years and no one has batted an eyelid”
Well people are batting eyelids now.
With the population expanding by 1.2 million every 4 years –
Again I ask, where will they live, where are the jobs, where are the NHS places, school places, sewage systems, transport network, what areas of the Green belt are you happy to see demolished?
I love it how whenever I ask this countless times over the years people ignore, or like a politician head for the hills!
Stuff the effects on the economy, how they all pay tax, all contribute, blah blah blah, people like Nigel Farage, and others like myself, want concrete ANSWERS to the above.
Nigel Farage is a crook. I would not listen to him if I were you.
However in answer to those questions.
You can not simply look at population and blame the EU. The single biggest population increase over the last 150 or so years was in the period 1901-1911. In that period there was a net loss to migration. The UK has always had control over the immigration from outside of the EU but has not done anything about it.
The single biggest issue that we face today was caused in the period after WW2. They are called the baby boomers and have had the largest detrimental impact to our environment, economy and social services out of any other factor. Baby boomers have in general lead pretty unhealthy lives, have pushed house prices way too high, have benefited massively from final salary pensions among many things. Those same people are now clogging the NHS and are also the least likely to move to more ecological things like EVs etc and are also living longer in general due to advances in medicine. This means that to pay for their final salary pensions etc the current working population have had to accept lower pensions and pay a higher proportion of their wages. Baby boomers also benefited from huge house building schemes (far bigger than we see today). Those same baby boomers are also the most likely to have voted leave and hence take our younger population out of the EU despite the fact that the younger population have to live with the consequences while the baby boomers retire.
Baby boomers also knew of many issues that we have today but did nothing about them and we now have a harder job to put things right.
As for infrastructure. That is nothing to do with the EU or immigration. We have simply refused to do anything about our issues in the past and are still making the same mistakes. For instance every new housing development near me has done nothing about the roads they are built on. So the same roads that were busy before are now clogged up. That is nothing to do with immigrants it is stupid planning. Councils should mandate that a certain amount is paid into a fund to build new schools per house that is developed. Then they could keep pace with population increases. However they do not do this. Sewer systems should be upgraded as population increases not when it suddenly becomes a problem. Public transport has been a problem for many years because of under investment not because of immigration. The fact that London gets the lions share of infrastructure money is a major issue as are the social issues caused by the lopsided spending on London. For instance after the war Birminghams economy was booming, wages were some of the highest in the country and the unemployment was the lowest in the country. The Labour government at the time did not want Birmingham to overtake London and so effectively Forced 250,000 to relocate and broke up Birmingham industry. This lead to major down turns in the local economy and caused the unemployment to increase dramatically from the lowest in the country to some of the highest. Wages also fell dramatically. The countries industry also suffered as it went from benefiting from a large local skill set and low transportation costs (due to everything being close together) to having to search for skills and absorb higher costs. That was the beginning of the end for car building in the UK.
Londons public transport spending is something like £700 per person while that in the north of England is £250… Is that right? Is that anything to do with Immigration or the EU? Birmingham, Leeds, Liverpool etc should all have their own Underground systems but they have no chance as London takes priority. If you want to tackle public transport then immigration is not where you should be looking.
Most of our issues are due to our own incompetence and nothing to do with EU immigration.
Hi Lee1
I don’t need to listen to Nigel Farage, I can see what is happening to my country with my own eyes from a child in the 1970’s to now, and forge my own opinion, thank you!
You’ve ignored my core questions actually, no surprise there as no one can or will answer.
Other points you make, I agree with quite a lot there actually, such as London spending compared to other areas and so forth, baby boomers, and the like, but the fact remains this countries population is expanding at a constant rate. End of, and being in the EU with open borders is not helping.
Even my father is concerned, and he is an immigrant!
Danielle.
Again, we could have limited immigration massively ourselves but did nothing. With regards to EU migration there were many UK residents living in the EU so it offset the EU immigration to point. If you want to blame people for Immigration then blame ourselves for not limiting it in the ways we were able to do so.
Which points did I not address?
Bro respectfully I need to point out a couple things blaming the generation born after ww2 for everything just because they actually prospered is frankly insulting and stinks of communist drivel and is the kind of ?you hear from the entitled snow flake kids who are spreading like weeds these days 2nd net migration ran pretty much at 30,000 a year right up until yup you guessed it 1997 when El Tonio Blairite was the man and net migration has risen anything up to 300,000 a year thanks to freedom of movement so it’s only thanks to EU law that we have found ourselves in this situation .
I think it is likely that your jaw muscles have simply become stronger 😉
If it’s all right for the Captains Black jacks it is all right here..!
Fruit Salads are the Answer to Brexit, I’m pretty certain about that.
And cake. Cake is the answer to everything.
No, they are too soft 😉
What’s your opinion of Sour Grapes ?
They appear to be popular in Westminster at the moment.
RGR, Would it help at this point, If I got my Weapon out ????
I respect the results of the referendum even though I voted to remain. But it’s so complicated and to a certain degree chaotic because of the current governments handling of the whole thing im not sure what will happen in the end. All I wish for is that our nation will be ok whether we leave or stay in. Corbyn worries me a great deal !!! Hope he never get’s into number 10. eek
American company. Designed in Austria. Built from Swedish steel. German engin and turret. French cannon. Manufactured in Spain. The British tender to be built in Newcastle rejected. EU Procurement Rules again? RIP the UK defence industry.
This is a test.
So is this.