120 Grenadier Guards have taken part in a jungle warfare Exercise in Thailand alongside the Thai Armed Forces.

The Ministry of Defence says here that Exercise PANTHER GOLD 21 coincided with UK Defence Minister Baroness Goldie’s visit to Thailand.

“Her visit this week focussed on enhancing cooperation between the UK and Thai Armed Forces. Baroness Goldie met with Thailand’s Deputy Defence Minister, General Chaichan Changmongkol and signed the first Memorandum of Understand (MoU) between the UK and Thailand to deepen and enhance our Defence cooperation.

The joint exercise saw Armed Forces training in jungle warfare tactics, navigation and survival techniques. UK and Thai troops worked side by side, learning from one and other’s skills and experience. Personnel on exercise also had the opportunity to train in Muay Thai – a martial art and combat sport practiced in Thailand.”

Minister of State for Defence, Baroness Goldie said:

“Thailand is an important Defence partner for the UK in the Indo-Pacific. We are determined to continue to work together with our respective skills and expertise, supporting our shared values and addressing regional security challenges and global threats.

This week’s joint exercise is a fantastic example of our troops working together, building their skills and capabilities in a harsh jungle environment.”

The MoU will say the Ministry of Defence, strengthen the relationship with Thailand, with opportunities for further joint exercises, regular bilateral talks and shared best practices. You can read more on this from them here.

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Mark Franks
Mark Franks
2 years ago

We used to do our jungle warfare training in Brunei and Belize.
So we strengthen our relationship with Thailand, not a bad thing but we are committing to more and more defence agreements as part of global Britain. The thin red line.

Paul.P
Paul.P
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark Franks

A good idea to spread our bets and make new friends. We might not be welcome in Belize when they leave the Commonwealth.

Mark franks
Mark franks
2 years ago
Reply to  Paul.P

Belize is paid a substantial sum from UK government, we also have a defence assistance agreement with them from the days of Guatemalas threat to invade Belize in the 70s.
I’ve no truck with the Carrabean nations wanting to remove the Monarchy as head of state, it does not change our diplomatic relationship with them. We have a continuous presence with the West indies guardship.

Paul.P
Paul.P
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark franks

I’m sure the payment helps. But Belize or any other commonwealth country becoming a republic would change the diplomatic relationship in a fundamental way. Its naive to pretend otherwise. The Chinese are reading from the British Empire playbook. They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. The 19th century was the British century, the 20th century was Pax Americana, this century will belong to the industrious, polite, inscrutable and outgoing Chinese. We need to get used to the idea.

Mark franks
Mark franks
2 years ago
Reply to  Paul.P

It’s not as simple as that, for years the Chinese have bought their way into many countries in Africa, Sri Lanka and the Caribbean not to mention a few European countries. Many African nations have become unstuck by paying exorbitant interest to the Chinese for infrastructure and many cannot afford to pay the loans, the Chinese give these countries a choice payup or we take over and own the infrastructure. This includes Ports, mining and airports, railways and roads and communication networks. The Chinese have been allowed for too long to get away with it. Militarily good transport infrastructure is… Read more »

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Paul.P
Paul.P
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark franks

I am reading the Runes. This decade will see joint UK and Chinese peacekeeping forces policing ISIL in East Africa and Boko Haram in The Sahel; Argentinian wheat and beef feeding China with West African and Australian fish for starters.
The commonwealth’s best bet is to turn itself into a resurrected Thomas Cooke tour company.

Cymbeline
Cymbeline
2 years ago
Reply to  Paul.P

Paul, I can see China trying to fill the US role of the global policeman and they may do it with partners, but I don’t share the vision that the UK will ever be a partner to a country that we are always going to question their actions.

Martin
Martin
2 years ago
Reply to  Cymbeline

Pax America and Pax Brittanica both came with substantial cost never recouped by the donner in both cases derived by political elites looking at a “higher calling”. China would never spend money providing security for others with no payback. They are mercurial by nature and unable to fathom anything beyond transactional arrangements or exploitation.

Paul.P
Paul.P
2 years ago
Reply to  Cymbeline

We could just stop questioning their actions; be friends. Macron has just apologised for the French police massacre of hundreds of Algerian protesters in 1961. First I’ve heard of it. No doubt the French maintained a tactful silence on the Bloody Sunday shootings. It’s what friends do. No doubt you have noticed …or not noticed that the UK maintains a discrete silence on the almost systematic institutionalised violence against Christians and Muslims in Modi’s Hindu nationalist India. We have made a diplomatic choice to favour India over China; because HMG thinks China is too powerful while India can be manipulated… Read more »

Martin
Martin
2 years ago
Reply to  Paul.P

Xi got a state visit in 2015, Modi never got anything. China is a threat due to its economic size and the fact our key Allies think it’s a threat. India is just another country we should have little to do with. India has almost nothing to offer us but it shares a land boarder with the most dangerous country in the world. India should be the one courting friends but perhaps they think Putin and his band of conscripts will keep China in check. India goes out of its ways to reject any friendship with the UK or alining… Read more »

David Steeper
David Steeper
2 years ago
Reply to  Martin

👍

OldSchool
OldSchool
2 years ago
Reply to  Martin

That is the result unfortunately of anti British propaganda in India for many decades. Reality is if course different but we live in the woke revisionist ( re reviled) world. Admittedly some Indians think otherwise but are unpopular for it.

Rai
Rai
2 years ago
Reply to  Martin

India doesn’t actually hate the UK. They are mostly indifferent. If you look at the Pew surveys the UK is seen about as favourably as France and more favourably than the EU.
If I remember correctly the most favourably countries were the US and Australia with Russia and Japan been seen as less favourable that the US and Australia but more favourable than the UK and France.
The least favourable countries of course were Pakistan and China. Those are the only countries that India actually hates.

Sean
Sean
2 years ago
Reply to  Paul.P

Yes let’s stop questioning the actions of an authoritarian regime that has reneged on the Hong Kong agreement with the U.K., that continues to claim and militarise the South China Sea, that continues to occupy Tibet, that is ethnic cleansing is Uighur problem, and continues to threaten Taiwan with invasion.
Yes it’s ridiculous for us to be “questioning their actions” 🤦🏻‍♂️

Paul.P
Paul.P
2 years ago
Reply to  Sean

Well, I’ll grant you they can get a bit boisterous at times. We just have to get to know them a bit better.

OldSchool
OldSchool
2 years ago
Reply to  Paul.P

Please – don’t mention the words – UK, French/ France or friends in the same sentence. As for France maintaing a tactful silence – when it comes to the UK the French only do this when they would otherwise have to praise the UK.

Paul.P
Paul.P
2 years ago
Reply to  OldSchool

Well, I have French relatives so I will maintain a diplomatic silence 😊

Farouk
Farouk
2 years ago
Reply to  Cymbeline

Cymbeline wrote:  but I don’t share the vision that the UK will ever be a partner to a country that we are always going to question their actions. We have a leader who is pro China and who had to be forced (with the threat of a mass revolt) to cut China out of many secuurity risk regards the Uk and espically the UKGOV. Just a month ago Boris was warned of a backlash regards his attempts to get back into bed with Beijing which took on more serious implication after he promoted Guto Harri a pro Chinese SPAD into the… Read more »

Cymbeline
Cymbeline
2 years ago
Reply to  Farouk

Farouk, I always hold your comments in high regard so its a little bit of a shock to see Boris is still going in that direction then again perhaps I shouldn’t. I know everything resolves around money, but I had thought we were done when it comes to China investment and UK projects.

OldSchool
OldSchool
2 years ago
Reply to  Farouk

The EU have been no better. Recall they signed a trade agreement with China despite the incoming Biden administratiin asking them to hold off. Indeed the EU are having a meeting today with China. April Fools – says it all really.

https://www.politico.eu/article/china-xi-jinping-has-europe-eu-summit-russia/

OldSchool
OldSchool
2 years ago
Reply to  Cymbeline

China – global policeman😂. More like global mugger!

andy a
andy a
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark franks

China also may have numbers of men and are excelling in some areas like missle tech but their aircraft are still not their, they cant project power and as we see with russia glowbal power figures mean very little in a real fight with blooded professionals vs conscripts or amateurs

Mark franks
Mark franks
2 years ago
Reply to  andy a

Russia does have many professional soldiers who are highly motivated. Mistake number one for the Russian top brass, do not underestimate your adversary. Mistake number 2 do not use conscripts to spearhead a major invasion. Russia does have well equipped professional fighting soldiers who are defending the borders with China and Northern Europe. Mistake number 3 do not expect your special forces to clean up the mistakes of a conscripted army when it all goes wrong. Mistake number 4 if you do not treat your servicemen and women with respect it will bite you in the backside. Mistake number 5.… Read more »

grizzler
grizzler
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark franks

They have been allowed carte blanch access into our own infrastructure (energy, water etc) in the UK – I suggest that needs addressing imminently onsidering how long its taken for us to address Russian money …but it wont be

Cymbeline
Cymbeline
2 years ago
Reply to  grizzler

It’ll be a slow process and you can see the difference in the same political parties where as Teresa Mays government courted Chinese money and involvement in new nuclear energy plants, when Boris takes over the political landscape had changed and they booted the Chinese out of the program.

Mark franks
Mark franks
2 years ago
Reply to  grizzler

No but look at the mess with 5g and Huawei. The Chinese have been interested in becoming big stake holders in some of the countries airports and nuclear energy needs. Fortunately the government listened to the intelligence assessment from the security services and the Chinese have been denied.

Martin
Martin
2 years ago
Reply to  Paul.P

Colonialism worked when you could buy up stuff and if the other guy did not pay you sent in a fleet. In a world of the UN where Uncle Sam and the west rule the seas buying off countries is a waste of time much like threatening them. China is wasting billions of its own money on railways and ports that will never be viable to secure debt deals it will never be able to enforce at a time when its own economy and demographics are collapsing.

ExcalibursTemplar
ExcalibursTemplar
2 years ago
Reply to  Martin

Have you seen the size of the fleet China is building ?

Martin
Martin
2 years ago

Yes, mass formations of corvettes won’t take them much past the first islands chain. How are they going to send a substantial task force to Sri Lanka, Chad or Jamaica to get repaid on a debt. It’s just silly 19th century style thinking. Russia made it all of 25 miles in to Ukraine before modern politics and logistics caught up with them. Even the USA combined with NATO Allie’s was unable to permanently secure either Iraq or Afghanistan ( two mid sized insignificant countries by colonial standards) despite local public support and massive military superiority.

Farouk
Farouk
2 years ago
Reply to  Martin

Martin wrote: How are they going to send a substantial task force to Sri Lanka, Chad or Jamaica to get repaid on a debt. They do it legally, which is why Sri Lanka (Under Mahinda Rajapaksa) after been rejected for a loan by both India and the US as been unfeasible) to allow them to build a huge port in Hambantota went to China, then when they couldn’t pay back the loan, China demanded cash or something else, that something else was a 99 year lease on the Port and 15000 acres of land after a short spell out of… Read more »

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Martin
Martin
2 years ago
Reply to  Farouk

Then the next government comes along and nationalises it then what can China do.

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Farouk
Farouk
2 years ago
Reply to  Martin

Martin wrote:
Then the next government comes along and nationalises it then what can China do.

Use the letter of the law to bankrupt the country, and lets be honest if China can force the UN not to recognise Taiwan (Yup Taiwan does not have a seat at the UN or any representation in any of the UNs departments (WHO/UNESCO etc) who’s going to say anything if it used a little bit of arm twisting like it does with all its neighbours.

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ExcalibursTemplar
ExcalibursTemplar
2 years ago
Reply to  Martin

Well you obviously on’t know what you’re talking about.

John Clark
John Clark
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark franks

Absolutely, people have to realise that a domestic political decision to remove the Queen as head of state, has nothing to do with political, defence and economic ties. It’s all rather archaic and increasingly irrelevant in the 21st century, having the queen as head of state of sovereign independent countries, in my opinion anyway. I’m amazed more haven’t already done so. I think when our amazing Queen has passed on, many countries will start the process, I feel it’s only out of a sense of duty and loyalty to her personally ( not the British Crown) that many have temporarily… Read more »

Mark franks
Mark franks
2 years ago
Reply to  John Clark

Yes I whole heartily agree with you John.

Martin
Martin
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark franks

I have to say the never ending victim culture of countries like Belize and Jamaica is growing thin. I can’t see any strategic benefit for the UK being there, just cost and I think it’s time for us to pull back from all these countries. Our presence is clearly not wanted and I am sure Belize can defend itself from Honduras now. People were right to point out that the Royal visit looked like some hangover from imperial times and it was quite frankly a national embarrassment primarily orchestrated by the politicians of a number of countries in the Caribbean… Read more »

Mark franks
Mark franks
2 years ago
Reply to  Martin

These countries you talk about are nation States. Reparations are a minority view that has been bigged up by the media. Jamaica the Bahamas and Bemuda rely on tourism, sugar and bananas as thier main source income. The US would be horrified if China made big inroads in the Caribbean, I have friends in Jamaica and Bemuda and they will tell you of thier fondness for the Queen but worry who and how a president would be elected, many have dual nationality with the UK and will always be close. Diplomatically nothing changes and we have a responsibility to these… Read more »

Martin
Martin
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark franks

Jamaica’s democratically elected prime minister and virtually all of its MP’s would beg to differ. Quite simply this is damaging Britain’s image globally as it looks like we are some failed colonial power desperately trying to hold on to a few remnants. It’s time for us to be proactive start pulling out. if the USA is worried about Caribbean countries and Chinese influence then it’s can put it’s hand in its own pocket. Let’s not forget Reagan invaded Grenada with no consultation with the British government which again is embarrassing as Grenada has nothing to do with the British government… Read more »

Mark franks
Mark franks
2 years ago
Reply to  Martin

Andrew Holness and all Jamaican prime ministers since 1972 have been republicans and nothing has changed. Prime Minister Holness has been Prime minister since 2016 and although not elected on a mandate of transitioning Jamaica from a constructional monarchy to a Republic it was his chief aim. A referendum will be offered to the people of Jamaica but this has not happened. So for the sake of argument just because the political landscape is changing in the carrabean, we wash our hands and let them get on with it, remove the West indies guardship and kick out Jamaicans who have… Read more »

Martin
Martin
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark franks

I’m not kicking anyone out of anything, I’m suggesting the UK leaves the commonwealth. The APT (N) ship stationed in the Caribbean is their for the protection of British overseas Territories like BVI not Commonwealth realms like Jamaica. Jamaica’s government clearly feel our help is not required so what are we doing there. At some point soon probably once QE2 dies Jamaica and a number of other Caribbean countries and no doubt other commonwealth nations will all leave and they will do it in a way to attempt maximum humiliation of the UK. Us leaving the commonwealth and inviting countries… Read more »

Mark franks
Mark franks
2 years ago
Reply to  Martin

It’s called a West Indies guardship, it’s not there solely to look after British Colonies it works closely with US coast guard and is an emergency response assets for natural disasters.
I respect your some what radical point of view but disagree.

Martin
Martin
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark franks

It has not been called the West Indies guard ship in a long time. It’s been called Atlantic Patrol Tasking North since at-least the 1990’s. Indeed I believe the people clamouring for reparations likely find the terms West Indies offensive. It’s their to provide presence for British overseas territories (not colonies) from Bermuda to the Cayman Islands but it also works on a number of other duties most notably with hurricane and disaster relief and counter narcotics. But we only have a standing patrol in the area because we have British Territories there, Same reason we have APT (s). Neither… Read more »

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Mark franks
Mark franks
2 years ago
Reply to  Martin

Reference to the West indies guardship I know it hasn’t been under that title for years, but it’s in the Caribbean and jamacans I know refer to themselves as from the west indies. Yes corruption is rife but don’t tar the people it’s those in power. Okay let’s cut them loose entirely and let thier new best friends have free reign over them.
This country will then have no influence in the area, roll on global Britain.

Andrew Thorne
Andrew Thorne
2 years ago
Reply to  Martin

I would agree with you on that statement. I think we need to get ahead of the game here. It’s only time before Jamaica and other countries start trying to litigate through the international courts for reparations. Of course there is no legal process for that but having these dodgy countries asking us for reparations for the past sins 200 or more years ago is beyond the pale for me. If they are so keen to ditch the UK then can we not have a grown up relationship whereby their nationals are not given preferential treatment here in the UK?… Read more »

Farouk
Farouk
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark franks

Mark wrote:  Reparations are a minority view that has been bigged up by the media.  Actually Mark it is isn’t the 15 nations which make up CARICOM: Antigua and Barbuda Bahamas Barbados Belize Dominica Grenada Guyana Haiti Jamaica Montserrat Saint Lucia St Kitts and Nevis St Vincent and the Grenadines Suriname Trinidad and Tobago Set up a body (Caricom Reparations Commission,) which published in 2014 a 10 point plan which all of the above approved. 1) An official apology from slaving and colonial nations; 2) Support repatriation for those desiring resettlement in Africa; 3) the creation of an indigenous peoples development… Read more »

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Mark franks
Mark franks
2 years ago
Reply to  Farouk

Completely unrealistic demands that are not taken seriously. They receive money from the foreign aid budget which is not huge in the scheme of things. Bermuda recieved £1.5 billion in 2014 for hotel complexes and training for young people.
£1.5 billion that figure came from a government foreign office website it must be a typo.

Martin
Martin
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark franks

Advocated by the 15 governments though. So some one is taking them seriously. In Malaysia HINDRAF wanted $4 trillion compensation for the British government for indentured slavery. They got zero recognition from the Malaysian government. Indentured slavery was a crime as it happened post abolition.

Damo
Damo
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark franks

Bermuda is a uk territory though and not in Caricom. That said, the claims are insane. Do north africans want reparations from Italy or Egypt? Do the Spanish from the Moor nations? Everyone has enslaved people at some point

Martin
Martin
2 years ago
Reply to  Farouk

Can the people of Northumbria claim against Denmark. The area has still never fully recovered from the Danelaw occupation.

Martin
Martin
2 years ago
Reply to  Farouk

Just issue what ever nonsense apology is required then exit the region permanently. There are countries in Africa and Asia far more in need of foreign aid than the majority of these countries many of which are tax heavens. America and Brazil are the regional players, zero need for UK assistance here. Clearly slavery was a terrible crime against humanity which is why the UK banned it and spent the equivalent of £200 billion to get rid of it, a debt which we only paid of in 2015. Blaming people in the UK today and expecting compensation for acts carried… Read more »

Farouk
Farouk
2 years ago
Reply to  Martin

Oh I agree 100% with you. All I see here is a get rich scheme pushed and supported by liberal do-gooders (leigh day no less.) In 1945 Europe was a basket case and it had to be rebuilt from bottom up that was due to blood sweat and tears by the locals and not slavery or empire, The former countries of the Empire werent touched as Europe was by war and the idiots demanding reparations have never been slaves nor have they been for over 200 years and yet they demand money from people who have never owned slave. Why,… Read more »

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Cymbeline
Cymbeline
2 years ago
Reply to  Paul.P

Paul, whilst Belize and perhaps Jamaica might become republics does not mean they will leave the Commonwealth but I get what your saying, who knows China might offer those countries a wad of cash to get a foothold in the Caribbean should that eventually indeed happen. Also a good idea as Pakistan and other smaller nations in the area move into Chinas orbit, and India currently playing footsie with Russia our circle of friends becomes smaller but more important.

Paul.P
Paul.P
2 years ago
Reply to  Cymbeline

Yes, Thailand is a sensible choice. Vietnam, Cambodia, Mayanmar, Laos are not starters. Thailand has a capable navy, including a couple of opv/corvettes based on the River 2 design.

Cymbeline
Cymbeline
2 years ago
Reply to  Paul.P

China have also been making inroads into Nepal for a few years as well back in 2018 2 seperate communist parties amalgamated into the NCP and are now the largest party in Nepal.

Martin
Martin
2 years ago
Reply to  Cymbeline

Let India and their buddies in the Kremlin deal with that one

Paul.P
Paul.P
2 years ago
Reply to  Martin

I’m sure they will rise to the task. I wish them every success in coalition building.

OldSchool
OldSchool
2 years ago
Reply to  Paul.P

More to do with hoping for Thai defence contracts. The Thai military is hopeless and these days too pro-Chinese. The best country in terms of military is by far Vietnam – well organised and brave/ patriotic soldiers.

Paul.P
Paul.P
2 years ago
Reply to  OldSchool

Correct….follow the money and you get the answer. Works every time 😉

Martin
Martin
2 years ago
Reply to  Cymbeline

We should leave the commonwealth, it’s embarrassing. Reform with the CANZUK countries in to some form of loose confederation. I’m tiered on being accused for things apparently committed by by great great great great great great great grandfather by countries who hate us and have nothing to offer us. There are only four countries in the commonwealth worth operating with. Everything else is a colonial wet dream of the 1950’s by a generation that could not bring itself to admit the empire was over. If the commonwealth ever served a purpose it was to Shepard newly independent countries. That job… Read more »

David Steeper
David Steeper
2 years ago
Reply to  Martin

I think when the current monarch passes away either we will or it’ll become even more meaningless than it already is.

Cymbeline
Cymbeline
2 years ago
Reply to  Martin

Martin, I have to agree with your views on those elements chasing their pots of gold in the form of reparations. Its all moot in my book, the South Coast in the 1700’s used to get raided and local population abducted and taken to North Africa, not on the same scale as the abominable slave trade of course, but many nations have been involved in enslaving populations throughout history.

Martin
Martin
2 years ago
Reply to  Cymbeline

For many years I have been trying to get compensation for the enslavement of my ancestors in the south east of Scotland and north east of England however the governments of Denmark and Norway refuse to apologies for the Viking atrocities. I also tried to make claims against the Italian government for the quite frankly barbaric and sickening acts committed by Roman legionaries in the North of Britain but they also refuse to pay 😀

David Steeper
David Steeper
2 years ago
Reply to  Martin

You don’t get it your British and therefore irredeemably evil ! and my source for that is every TV station bar 1. Plus almost every Radio station and most newspapers.

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Jacko
Jacko
2 years ago
Reply to  Paul.P

Have they actually said they are leaving the commonwealth? You can be republic and still be a member after all!

Paul.P
Paul.P
2 years ago
Reply to  Jacko

So you can. Good news! So the UK could stay if if we became a republic.

Last edited 2 years ago by Paul.P
SwindonSteve
SwindonSteve
2 years ago
Reply to  Jacko

You can also never have been a part of the British Empire, the Commonwealth, and indeed have been the subject of a foreign power for a century or there abouts, and still become a member of the Commonwealth.

Mozambique…

Airborne
Airborne
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark Franks

Brunei, those ebans were jungle ninjas, just give them your treacle pudding and they will build anything for you 🤣

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark Franks

Do we not now do jungle training in Brunei and Belize?

BigH1979
BigH1979
2 years ago

In the big list of things to do in Thailand, i bet the last thing those Toms want to be doing is jungle warfare training 😀

Jonathan
Jonathan
2 years ago
Reply to  BigH1979

It’s probably the safest thing to do in Thailand.

Dern
Dern
2 years ago

Ah yes Jungle exercises, gopping but good fun. Great sense of achievement afterwards.

ChariotRider
ChariotRider
2 years ago

Good to see we are trying to develop relationships with countries such as Thailand. We, and the rest of the West, need to wake up to the impact and threat of China’s belt and roads initiative. For example, the Australians had something of a shock this week when it emerged that he Solomon Islands are about to sign a defence assistance agreement with China. The draft agreement was leaked and it looks like the Chinese have way too much sway over when they need to go and assist the Solomon’s. There are hints that China may get a naval base… Read more »

David Steeper
David Steeper
2 years ago

Belize, Jamaica whoever if they want to get into bed with China big deal. Cut our Foreign aid to them and spend it on countries that actually appreciate it. Why are we giving shed loads of taxpayers cash to people who vote with Russia, China, Argentina etc every chance they get. Yes i’m particularly looking at S.Africa, Tanzania, Pakistan and India.

ChariotRider
ChariotRider
2 years ago
Reply to  David Steeper

Actually David most of our aid is in the form of cheap loans which we do ask to be repaid…

Grand aid is quite rare apparently, usually disaster relief type stuff I think.

Cheers CR

David Steeper
David Steeper
2 years ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

Where did you find that data i’ve searched high and low and found no details.

ChariotRider
ChariotRider
2 years ago
Reply to  David Steeper

I read a report sometime ago about the time the aid budget was cut to 0.5% of GDP. I cannot find the link to it again hence I have deliberately been vague in my original statement. However, my understanding is that most in the West give aid on a similar basis and that the recipients are often reluctant to take the loans as it shows up on their foreign debt account. It has been mentioned on here by other posters that India, for example, is not keen on foreign aid possibly for that very reason. The fact is nothing is… Read more »

Martin
Martin
2 years ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

Our foreign aid largely bypasses governments and goes direct to charities and NGO’s working with the people in need. This gains us zero political support in countries like India who would much rather we wrote their government a cheque. Virtually all British aid is devoted to reaching the millennium goals as set fourth by the UN but clearly paying for educating poor people and providing basic services and health care for them does little to enrich their governments of these countries. China on the other hand offers cheap loans to build massive infrastructure projects built by Chinese companies which come… Read more »

David Steeper
David Steeper
2 years ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

Thanks for that.

grizzler
grizzler
2 years ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

Really ?I was not aware of that.. do you have a link to the detail on that ?
Even so if they are cheap and we only ‘ask’ they are repaid…so maybe slightly better than Chinese ‘investment’ – but they are still making inroads?
Wasn’t there something recently where an island voted not to come out the commonwealth and/or accept Chinese ‘investment …but that was ignored- could be wrong though frequently are?

David Steeper
David Steeper
2 years ago
Reply to  grizzler

LOL Join the queue.

Martin
Martin
2 years ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

That’s wrong, your talking about climate financing linked to COP26. Our aid is in the forms of cash currently 0.5% of GDP.

ChariotRider
ChariotRider
2 years ago
Reply to  Martin

No it refers to Official Development Assistance (ODA), please see the link I provided in answer to David Steeper’s query.

Apparently, aid is no longer measured in ‘cash’. An international agreement (OECD I think) now uses a measure called ‘grant equivalent’ aid and it is explicitly applied to ODA.

Cheers CR

Martin
Martin
2 years ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

ODA may be in the format of grants or soft loans. The vast majority of ours is grants.

Tom Keane
Tom Keane
2 years ago

This is a clear indication of how hard pressed and over stretched the Army is. It’s totally pathetic really, and makes Britain look feeble. 120 Grenadier Guards take part in jungle warfare training… good job they wont be called upon to deploy anywhere tropical in a hurry.

Last year the GGds were in the Falklands, with a similar sized deployment, and then Kenya, again around 120 of them.

Whatever happened to battalion sized deployments, so that the entire battalion gains experience and skills?

BigH1979
BigH1979
2 years ago
Reply to  Tom Keane

I think that is battalion sized nowadays😀

Tom Keane
Tom Keane
2 years ago
Reply to  BigH1979

Unfortunately… your not far wrong. 😔

BigH1979
BigH1979
2 years ago
Reply to  Tom Keane

Its a shame. I remember my time in the army. Lots of different regiment capbadges, loads of exercises, 6 medmans a year, loads of adventure training. A full Div in Germany with 3 full strength Armd brigades. I don’t doubt the lads are just as professional as always but the bottomless money pot just doesn’t seem to be there anymore.

Tom Keane
Tom Keane
2 years ago
Reply to  BigH1979

Yes, cap badges gone, regiments long gone, and 500 men now called a battalion, when in my day 500 was a regiment. Shockingly naïve light-fingered corrupt politicians and others involved in procurement. Those clowns conned into cutting the Army to the bone (or less), whilst handing over ‘suitcases’ of money to every lame brain individual wanting to get ‘in on’ military contracts. I remember when Virtus came out in 2016. Initially it was garbage, some lads even suggesting that they found it difficult to rise from the prone position, because it was poorly designed, yet the mod still bought 9,000… Read more »

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
2 years ago
Reply to  Tom Keane

Tom, do you mean 500 was a Regiment in your day? Maybe for RAC, RA, RLC – but they were battalion size units.

Martin
Martin
2 years ago
Reply to  BigH1979

Yeah and we had to get America to help us move a bunch of challenger one tanks to Iraq with little idea of their engines actually worked with a bunch of infantry using a rifle that jammed after 20 shots. That was the reality of late 1980’s British army. It’s not something we should look to emulate again.

BigH1979
BigH1979
2 years ago
Reply to  Martin

First Gulf War a bit before my time but i was there for Round 2. To be fair i expect Brits had as many problems with our equipment as any other western army did.

I don’t disagree with the leaner and more adaptable concept, i just think its being pursued in an inefficient and half-arsed manner. We need to commit to it or else we become an Army that can’t be trusted to do the job.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
2 years ago
Reply to  Martin

I don’t recall that we asked Americans to move CR1s to Iraq. I recall that CR1s were shipped out of the German port of Emden for GW1, such shipping being chartered by UK.

Martin
Martin
2 years ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Sorry I mis wrote that, moving challengers to gulf by sea was not an issue although I have no idea how they got there, Point class were specifically acquired as a result of this so they may have had to use US ships. The scandal in the press at the time was the need to use US strategic lift aircraft as we only had C130 in service and their was grave worry that the CR1 mechanical reliability would be an issue. But my point was in response to rose tinted glasses on the historic army. When I was in 1999… Read more »

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
2 years ago
Reply to  Martin

Thanks Martin. As an ex-REME officer, I can shed a little light on the perception that CR1 reliability was questioned. Chieftain reliability was invariably poor and Challenger, a Chieftain derivative, was perceived to have equally poor reliability which was somewhat unfair as it was different in many ways, including different PowerPack (Main Engine was the Perkins diesel CV12 as against the Leyland multi-fuel L60, the gearbox was a more advanced David Brown unit, etc etc.) As you recall the way we use AFVs (unlike your civvy car) is to leave them in a damp hanger for weeks and weeks occasionally… Read more »

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
2 years ago
Reply to  BigH1979

I remember (I served 1975-2009) a Corps of 4 divs in Germany, a brigade in Berlin, a division-equivalent in NI, and many ‘home defence’ brigades in GB – and 900 tanks in the inventory.

Martin
Martin
2 years ago
Reply to  BigH1979

How many guys do you need to call in an airstrike 😀

Airborne
Airborne
2 years ago
Reply to  Tom Keane

While your spot on with the numbers game and the various reductions, since my time 86 onwards all the jungle deployments have been Coy strength! Yes we had various Battalions in Belize, Brunei etc but you only ever got small formations in the jungle at any one time! It’s about experience for the lads as much as anything as the jungle is the hardest environment to operate in effectively IMHO! But as long as we still have, and able to get lads on the JWIC, in order to be able to teach, and the tracker course if poss, then we… Read more »

Airborne
Airborne
2 years ago

Ah the jungle, hardest environment to live and operate in for any length of time bar none! Hard, but can be very compelling! Most horrible things have to be nearly 100% humidity, dry kit off wet kit back on, leeches, weight loss and breaking track and trying to set up a dipole comms tactically after putting out the claymores, just to lay down, comms done get the fucking claymores back in aaaaaagh!!!!!!! Oh and doing tactical river crossings next to signs as your 4 man team enter the water saying “danger crocodiles” FFS 🤬😂💩! Great days…….

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
2 years ago
Reply to  Airborne

Sounds horrible. Give me the sofa and iPhone any day of the week. Haha 99% of the population. Also is there WiFi in the jungle and do Starbucks deliver there😂😂😂

Airborne
Airborne
2 years ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

Sofa and I phone for me nowadays as well aaaaah bliss! Prob get Wi-Fi all over nowadays mate, as for Starbucks they deliver but it takes about 3 days moving about 4-5 km per day cross graining the friggin hills !!!!! 🤣

Dern
Dern
2 years ago
Reply to  Airborne

Sounds nice, I’m still in the wading through crocodile rivers bit, can’t wait for the sofas and iPhones!

Keith Adams
Keith Adams
2 years ago

This reminded me of my dad (1st Bn Queens Regt). in WW2 he was sent to Northern Ireland for jungle warfare training before shipping out to Burma and the XIV army. He was always amused by it!