The €2.5bn deal will see Greece purchase 18 Rafale jets from France.

According to Dassault Aviation, Theodoros Lagios, General Director of Armament and Investments of the Greek Ministry of Defense, and Eric Trappier, Chairman and CEO of Dassault Aviation, signed today a contract for the acquisition of 18 Rafale aircraft for the Hellenic Air Force, as well as a contract for the logistical support of the fleet.

“This signing ceremony was held in Athens in the presence of Mrs. Florence Parly, Minister of the Armed Forces of France, and Mr. Nikolaos Panagiotopoulos, Minister of National Defense of Greece.

As a European country and member of NATO, Greece is a major strategic partner of France. Dassault Aviation is honored by the Greek government’s decision, that extends an uninterrupted partnership for 45 years.”

Greece first announced its intension to purchase Rafale aircraft in September to enhance defence capabilities. The European nation also announced plans to acquire four frigates and four naval helicopters.

 

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Ian M.

So, one of the poorest countries in Europe expands it’s overdraft again? I appreciate the tensions with Turkey in the region but how can Greece afford these aircraft?

Herodotus

Can they afford not to though! We criticise our government for inadequate military provision….even though we running a massive deficit!

Lordtemplar

Exactly. Turkey has been a problem for Greece for a very long time and things are escalating with the wanabee sultan in Ankara. So modernizing and equipping its military is priority and not a luxury.

BB85

Simple answer is they can’t. The Germans financed submarine and MBT sales to them then came down hard when they couldn’t pay their bills.
Greece ideally should receive more subsidies from the EU to police its territorial water since its one of the key gateways into Europe.
Turkey has a much larger economy and population than Greece so will be impossible to compete militarily if it has to go on its own.

George Royce

It’s incredibly sad to see the nation that was so great, led the Western world into democracy and defending it from Persian invasions, has been on its knees for so long. Socialist governments don’t work.

Herodotus

Yes George, but then fascist dictatorships aren’t that great either. It was a very dark period for Greece under the Colonels!

Richard Kimber

Yeah, absolutely right, Finland and Norway are essentially failed states.

George Royce

found one

John Clark

There’s more to it than that George. Greece has been sleepwalking into a disaster for years. Greece and the EU have been in a toxic symbiotic relationship for many, many years unfortunately. Years of incompetent governance and the EU looking the other way, led to inevitable economic disaster. Still, it locked Greece into the EU forever, it owes so much money to Germany it couldn’t leave if it wanted to. Regarding the Rafale purchase, from a military perspective it makes little sense. The F16V is a perfectly capable platform, in comparison to the Rafale, it’s probably within 90% of its… Read more »

Mark

I’ve seen some comments from Greeks that the US restricts the weapons that they are willing to sell to Greece compared to that which they will sell to Turkey putting the Greek F16’s at a disadvantage, both in air to air and air to ground roles, so that could be the reason. Also you see to be missing that while the US under Trump was relatively quiet over the Turkish actions in the Med, France backed the Greek position and deployed both naval and air units to support the Greek position. As to the situation with the Greek debt, its… Read more »

John Clark

Interesting Mark, I haven’t seen any information relating to a deliberate downgrade of Greek F16’s in comparison to Turkish examples. Could you point out where this information can be seen please? Turkey aren’t exactly in favour, re their S400 purchase and the following F35 bun fight too. France did without doubt, back the Greeks, however we see ever increasing EU level involvement in such defence sales these days …. Do I see this as an EU pressure sale, yes, do I blame them, no, they might as well make sure their Euros are inwardly re-invested.. As said, from a military… Read more »

4th watch

F35A’s need not apply.

Lordtemplar

Lol. Greek Mirage downed a Turkish F16 in the 90s. The Rafale is more advanced than Mirage or latest versions of F16 (which Turkey does not have, in fact Greek F16 are more modern than Turkish F16.)

Mark

From memory it was the Greek Government (pushed by the Greek military) that refused the suggestion by the Troika to cancel the Sub order at the height of their crash.

BB85

I thought they where already delivered by 2008, either way I don’t think Greece would be purchasing these aircraft if it was no for the financial assistance coming from France. F35 are more capable and F16V are significantly cheaper.

Mark

And they are in the process of purchasing F35’s and modernising their F16’s. Though there is issue with how the US screws them in weapons to allow the Turks to maintain superiority.

David Barry

I’m with @Ian M on this one, should Greece be spending this money?

However, how they will fair against the new Turkish SAM system may be an interesting one to watch in the future.

Full Force

Lucky them! Maybe we can market some Type 23s to them when the Type 26s come into play.

farouk

FF wrote: Maybe we can market some Type 23s to them when the Type 26s come into play The French are already on it: (from yesterday) France to put in frigate offers as Greece beefs up militaryFrance will put in proposals to supply new frigates to Greece, which is building up its armed forces during a period of tension with its neighbor and NATO partner, the French defense minister said on Monday. Florence Parly was speaking at a joint news conference with her Greek counterpart Nikos Panagiotopoulos in Athens after the two finalized a 2.5 billion euros ($3 billion) agreement… Read more »

Paul T

There was some Online Chatter Late Last Year i think about some T23’s being Sold to Greece,but seeing as they have been Linked to the Purchase of so many Different Types of Frigate that Never Made Any Progress it Remains to be seen what they End up with.I think France was Prepared to Loan them the Last Two FREMM ( FREDA) while they had some FTI’s Constructed,but Details on that are Still a bit Vague.

Hermes

We cant loan our FREMM, we just cut from 17 to 8, how can we loan these ?
And it’s FDI (Frégate de Défense et d’Intervention / Defense & Intervention Frigate) now, or Belharra for export.

The project is for 2 Belharra armed with MdCN.

Paul T

The French Government never Miss an opportunity for a Good Business Deal – case in point FS Normandie which was Built Twice, the Italian’s have done the same, selling their Last Two FREMM’s to Egypt, the Replacements being Added to an Extended Build Schedule.

julian1

Greek AF has some ancient aircraft in its inventory, these will surely see off the last of the Phantoms or are they already gone? They do have a history of buying French

Mark

Think these are to replace some of the Mirages that they have in service which will go back to France at the end of this deal.

julian1

yes i think the phantoms have already retired. remember reading in AFM last year. I wonder what the french will do with the mirage 2000 – did the greeks not buy them outright and is this part of the deal – trade in? wonder if the french are not just financing the deal…?

farouk

Not mentioned and from 5 days ago: First Upgraded F-16V Fighter For Greece Takes FlightThe first of 84 Greek Lockheed Martin F-16 fighters to be upgraded to the F-16V Viper standard took to the skies for the first time on January 17. Greece’s minister for national defense, Nikos Panagiotopoulos, announced the news on Twitter, noting that the maiden flight was conducted with “absolute success”, and that the upgrade program “continues at an intensive pace.” The F-16V had been upgraded at the Tanagra facility of Hellenic Aerospace Industry (HAI), which is to carry out the modifications to the fleet in a… Read more »

Gareth

Does this give the Greece, at least in principle, the ability to conduct carrier borne operations off the decks of US and French ships?

Paul T

Only if these Aircraft are Rafale M’s,which i would seriously doubt is the Case here.

Mark

No, these are coming from the Air Force, not the French Navy.

Lordtemplar

They are getting Rafale C, so no carrier capability.

Watcherzero

I dont think its a coincidence that the deal for Greece to buy the second hand fighters was announced the same day the first indigenous Turkish frigate was launched (got another 3 years of fitout). Greece also in talks about purchasing French export frigates. Interesting phasing of deliveries, six second hand one a month then one year gap six new aircraft, one year gap second six second hand aircraft. Thats a rapid delivery pace. Also new Turkish frigate says a lot about its role, its armed to the teeth with 76mm gun, 12 ship to ship missiles and a 16… Read more »

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Mark

In terms of the scheduling of the purchase I wonder how much of that is geared to the sustaining of the production line? The French minister for defence has already stated that the 12 second hand ones being sold off by the Air Force will be replaced by new builds for example.

As to the timing, I’d say it’s also connected to France’s strong support of Greece over the last year as Turkey has been trying to carve up the Med for themselves.