HMS Illustrious is to be sold for scrap after schemes to preserve her for the nation as a floating museum fell through.

Scrap dealers are being asked to bid to “recycle” the retired HMS Illustrious. The announcement is expected to end hopes the carrier can be saved. It is understood that three cities submitted proposals to try to preserve the vessel but each fell through.

Following the retirement of her Harriers in 2010, Illustrious operated as one of two Royal Navy helicopter carriers. By 2014 she was the oldest ship in the Royal Navy’s active fleet, having 32 years’ service, and will not be replaced until HMS Queen Elizabeth is in service. It was originally announced that Illustrious would be preserved for the nation, this now seems unlikely.

An MoD spokeswoman said:

“We have done all we can for over two years to find a home for the former HMS Illustrious in the UK, and regrettably no suitable bidder has come forward. While it is a difficult decision, we have announced an open competition for the recycling of HMS Illustrious, while remaining open to heritage options.”

The notice, which can be found here, states:

“The Disposal Services Authority (DSA) is inviting expressions of interest for the sale of the former HMS Illustrious for recycling. She was decommissioned in 2014.

All parties interested in acquiring the vessel should note that a Bank Guarantee of ยฃ2 Million will be required by the DSA and will not bereleased until the recycling of the vessel is nearing completion. Viewing of the vessel is due to take place in June (date to be confirmed).”

While this is a shame, it’s understandable as most believe the money required to run the vessel as a museum while maintaining her is simply not there.

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Harry
Harry
5 years ago

I’ve always wondered, where is she now? Is she in Portsmouth still being manned and maintained buy the RN, and can she still sail under her own power?

andrew reeves
andrew reeves
5 years ago
Reply to  Harry

she would need a reactivation proceedure which could be done in around 8 weeks, recrewing could be chieved by transfer from r.n. reserves and the fleet of sailors with a history of having srved on lusty the ark royal and ,invincible.

Adrian Flitcroft
Adrian Flitcroft
5 years ago
Reply to  Harry

She is laid up in Portsmouth in Fareham Creek awaiting disposal. She is unmanned & will have been stripped of all useable equipment.

Mac
Mac
5 years ago

Good.

These so called ‘aircraft carriers’ were an embarrassment to the UK & RN.

A floating reminder of managed post WWII decline by gutless 3rd rate politicians.

Respect goes out to the crews, they did their very best with what they were given, but what they were given was embarrassing given the history of the RN.

andrew reeves
andrew reeves
5 years ago
Reply to  Mac

the shame lies squarely with the muddled p halfwits at the treasury/m.o.d who don’t have a clue what they need or howto operate the royal navy

andrew reeves
andrew reeves
5 years ago
Reply to  Mac

i as in the falklands and i assure you now they did exactly what they were sent to do. and i for one are glad of it.

Simon Harlow
5 years ago

It is such a shame, she is worth saving, maybe do something, like what the americans did with intrepid.

UK Defence Journal
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Harlow

No one would put up the money.

Simon Harlow
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Harlow

I know and that i what is so sad.

Toby Noskwith
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Harlow

HMG could have bothered to put up the money.

Simon Harlow
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Harlow

I totally agree, I mean compared to the Army and the RAF the Navy have very little preserved.

andrew reeves
andrew reeves
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Harlow

ocean should be kept, with illustrious as her replacement and bristol should be re comisioned and returned to the fleet. there’s no point bleating on about a shortage of destroyers when we have on being used as a training ship,

UK Defence Journal
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Harlow

Wouldn’t you rather they kept that money to pay for actual warships, rather than museums? With respect, I’d rather we properly funded the new carriers.

Toby Noskwith
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Harlow

I would rather we did both.

Simon Harlow
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Harlow

That is a good point, but whatever the right or wrongs somebody should of saved her.

Toby Noskwith
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Harlow

But I take the point entirely – the state of affairs means there is only one choice and we can agree which one it must be.

Ray Lovie
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Harlow

It would be good have her preserved for the next generation as museum

Mark Whitehead
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Harlow

We are lacking in a substantial Navy! I think it should go under refit and carry on service! It would be an advantage to keep more than too loose!

Mark Whitehead
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Harlow

And the Government should fund this instead of sending money abroad to countries who would more than likely not help us if the roles/ situations were reversed!

Bungy Williamson
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon Harlow

Mark Whitehead get real. If i sent you to war with old out dated kit you would be the first to complain

andrew reeves
andrew reeves
5 years ago

we were sent to thefalklands in ships not fit for purpose, the bulwark in bits to keep hermes at sea. and blake in mothballs the county class’s antrim an glamorgan were floating bombs the type 21’s unable to take the rough seas secat systems which could have been replaced by a couple of cooks with peashooters.

Kai Humphreys
5 years ago

This is a disgrace she is the last ship that served in the falklands war left she deserves to be a museum not some foreign Turkish scrapyard which tragically claimed her 2 sister ships Invincible and Ark Royal

UK Defence Journal
5 years ago
Reply to  Kai Humphreys

Unfortunately the money just isn’t there, no company wants to run a museum this expensive.

Simeon Hawkins
5 years ago
Reply to  Kai Humphreys

The war was over by the time she arrived, played no active part. Get rid of it as it’s currently hiding the disgrace that is the deactivated 23 and 45 behind it!

Kai Humphreys
5 years ago
Reply to  Kai Humphreys

It would also be nice to keep one of our old aircraft carriers so when the new Queen Elizabeth carriers come in we could see a mixture of old and new carriers

Simeon Hawkins
5 years ago
Reply to  Kai Humphreys

There you go, now scrap it and address the state of the active fleet! If you wanted something to commemorate the war you should’ve fought to save HMS Plymouth!

Dave Wooding
5 years ago
Reply to  Kai Humphreys

Simeon Hawkins
How true is that
I was lucky enough to get board HMS Plymouth when she was docked at Plymouth as a museum.
Plymouth city council are a bloody disgrace!
She was the last war ship to be built at Devonport !
Yet meant bugger all to them and let her go !

Vic parody
5 years ago
Reply to  Dave Wooding

And the surrender of the Falklands was signed on board …..disgrace that she was allowed to be scrapped

andrew reeves
andrew reeves
5 years ago
Reply to  Vic parody

HMS ANTRIM WAS THE FIRST RN SHIP TO ARRIVE IN THE FALKLANDS AND WAS ALSO THE LAST TO BE DETATCHED FOR HOME, ONLY TO BE SENT THERE AGAIN FOR OVER THE XMAS AND NEW YEAR(VERY UNHAPPY CREW) I WAS ON IT

Chris Power
5 years ago
Reply to  Kai Humphreys

She wasn’t in the Falklands.

andrew reeves
andrew reeves
5 years ago
Reply to  Chris Power

SHE ARRIVED JUST AFTER HOSTILITIES ENDED TO RELIEVE INVINCIBLE ,

Philip David Hall
5 years ago
Reply to  Kai Humphreys

Put her on the Thames , Surely enough tourists would pay for her upkeep ,

Gary Judkins
5 years ago
Reply to  Kai Humphreys

keep it or give it to ME

andrew reeves
andrew reeves
5 years ago
Reply to  Kai Humphreys

agreed.

William Richardson
5 years ago

Thanks to our government shame on you

UK Defence Journal
5 years ago

It’s not the fault of the government, the issue lies at there being no commercial viability in retaining i.

Kirk J Shepherd
5 years ago

They’re building two MASSIVE aircraft carriers where’s the shame?

Lee Jeffrey
5 years ago

They’ll probably be as unreliable as the type 45 so I’d say pretty shameful.

UK Defence Journal
5 years ago

Lee, come on, you can’t just make up nonsense like that to justify a point. You’re an adult.

Krishna Sastry
5 years ago

Why not sell it? Could make some money instead of scrapping it…

Tom Perry Davies
5 years ago
Reply to  Krishna Sastry

It is being sold, for scrap

Krishna Sastry
5 years ago
Reply to  Krishna Sastry

I meant selling it to some other country…

andrew reeves
andrew reeves
5 years ago
Reply to  Krishna Sastry

give it to another commonwealth country.

Bobby Abernethy
5 years ago
Reply to  Krishna Sastry

Probably greater value in the metal: a ski-jump carrier is a very specialised beast, and there’s not many countries that could use it even if they could afford it.

UK Defence Journal
5 years ago
Reply to  Krishna Sastry

No one wants it.

Andrew Dawson-Maddocks
Reply to  Krishna Sastry

What was the asking price??

andrew reeves
andrew reeves
5 years ago

ยฃ5 or a donation to the donkey trust

Gerry Moar
5 years ago
Reply to  Krishna Sastry

Anyone buying it would have to be mad. The RN strip out the engines, power plant, etc. All they’d get is a 32 year old hulk, that would cost millions each year BEFORE you replace the stuff the RN take out.

Duncan Halford
5 years ago
Reply to  Krishna Sastry

Is there nothing left inside her Gerry? I thought she complete inside? How could you even hope to make a museum if she was not?

andrew reeves
andrew reeves
5 years ago
Reply to  Duncan Halford

she has been de munitioned, drained of corrosive materials kept dry inside by de humidifing equipment. air wing equipment has been stripped out any spares usable for ships operating under foreign flags such as the type 22’s in use elsewhere arebagged, tagged and stored.limited shore power.
new fresh water, a crew, re storing fuelling and she’d almost be good to go.

Louis Reay
5 years ago

Why not keep it in service and have it patrol the seas around England ?

Tom Perry Davies
5 years ago
Reply to  Louis Reay

Costs and inefficiency mostly

andrew reeves
andrew reeves
5 years ago

its obvious that decomisioning hms ocean will leave a hole in the royal navy’s ability to fulfil its task obligations, prior to oceans multi million pound refit her role was covered by illustrious,the illustrious, thanks to another stupid decision by the mo.d to retire the harrier instead of upgrading the harriers tot he modern upgraded specifications made to the u.s, marine corps harriers made her position in the fleet untenable. operational cost of the’lusty compared to ocean are not unreasonable it should not go for scrap it should be replaned with the chinook and merlin helecopterand put to sea again.

Louis Reay
5 years ago
Reply to  Louis Reay

Then maybe you some sort of practise ? Keep it within a city and have recruits train on it ? Just a shame to scrap something as cool as that

Louis Reay
5 years ago
Reply to  Louis Reay

Or tell them I will buy it and I can have it in my back garden, that’s if the council will allow that hahahaha

andrew reeves
andrew reeves
5 years ago
Reply to  Louis Reay

WHERE IS YOUR GARDEN? HYDE PARK?

Mark Turner
5 years ago
Reply to  Louis Reay

We apparently barely have enough sailors to crew the new carriers, let alone old ones!

Louis Reay
5 years ago
Reply to  Louis Reay

National service ?

andrew reeves
andrew reeves
5 years ago
Reply to  Louis Reay

never going to happen

UK Defence Journal
5 years ago
Reply to  Louis Reay

Sadly Louis that idea isn’t feasible. There are already vessels more suited to training recruits that don’t incur such high costs. Also, there are air bases in England (Scotland and Wales too!) that are able to perform aviation related tasks around UK shores at a fraction of the cost.

Callum Sweeney
5 years ago
Reply to  Louis Reay

?

James L. R. Chappell
5 years ago

That was strange UK Defence Journal the comment thread vanished as I was about to ask why Joe’s comment was deemed in bad taste, could you please elaborate from your rules why it is so as I could not find any rules on the page.

Dave Williams
5 years ago

Did not David Cameron PROMISE to save it for the nation ?

Richard 'Diki' Day
5 years ago
Reply to  Dave Williams

No…

Tom Myzak
5 years ago
Reply to  Dave Williams

No he didn’t, he promised to build 2 new carriers, which we are doing

UK Defence Journal
5 years ago
Reply to  Dave Williams

No.

Adam Willsmore
5 years ago

A chuffing disgrace.Probably off to Turkey ffs where most of our ships have been scrapped.

Luke Napier
5 years ago

A sad story but I think the money involved to keep her in a museum state would be astronomical.

John Buckley
5 years ago

“Nice” to see we are making everybody else rich while scrapping ourselves into oblivion. A more ridiculous nation, I have never known in all my life.

Edison Mite-Roman
5 years ago

Shameful !

James Livingston
5 years ago

Maggie will be turning in her grave!

UK Defence Journal
5 years ago

Steady on

Kai Humphreys
5 years ago

NOOOO

Wayne Houghton
5 years ago

Disgusting

Rob Collins
5 years ago
Reply to  Wayne Houghton

We could club together? It’d be great for parties…

David Carlin
5 years ago

Museum?

Richard 'Diki' Day
5 years ago
Reply to  David Carlin

Will be very expensive…..there is no one that will take on the project. Funding would have to come from HLF and private donors who are willing to accept there will be no profit in it

andrew reeves
andrew reeves
5 years ago

even in a museum state, preservation, and mooring/docking etc shoe’d go for scrap anyway she’d cost a fortune whatever you did with her.if any of her steel is reusable i’d like to see it go the yards tasked with building type 26 or 31 ships,. for the future

Ross Tackle Berrey
5 years ago

I bet china have her

David
David
5 years ago

Maybe people should remember it was these aircraft carriers that kept the Falklands in the hands of the islanders. To say they are an embarrassment is disrespecting their achievements and their crews let’s not forget the humanitarian relief they gave

Martin Symes
Martin Symes
5 years ago

I thought it was going to Hull for some culture exhibition, as there was talk of her going to Pompey as a museum ship with support from the Fleet Air Arm museum. Might pay to sail her up the Thames and park her outside Westminster as a reminder to MPs of our once mighty navy!

andrew reeves
andrew reeves
5 years ago
Reply to  Martin Symes

excellent idea

Jason Bartlett
5 years ago

Money to turn it into a museum should come from the lottery, they fund other English heritage and countless so called art and theatre projects why not this.

Mark Cresswell
5 years ago

Shocker!!!!!! Not! Why can we not scrap our own ships instead of sending them to Turkey. What man at the top is getting a back hander.

Jason Owens
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark Cresswell

Instead of going off on one do some reading on the subject – no back handers involved.

Manpower costs, specialist manpower capacity, lack of facilities, environmental considerations, recycling facilities, etc, etc…

However if you think it is a real shame and “someone” should do something about it – why not you?
Set up a business case, cost out the infrastructure and manpower then pootle off to the bank for a chat!

andrew reeves
andrew reeves
5 years ago
Reply to  Jason Owens

bae boss, they get all the contracts

Ray Lovie
5 years ago

Near most American city’s with links have some sort of maritime museum …..USS ALABAMA in mobile is an example there’s even a Blackbird AND a ww2 boat and other militarilia

All we have is Alliance

Glen McAllister
5 years ago

Turn it into a museum dedicated to the Royal Navy

Luke Braithwaite
5 years ago

I just hope the 2nd of the queen elizabeth class is renamed ark royal

Richard 'Diki' Day
5 years ago

Why? The name Prince of Wales has so much history behind it….

Luke Braithwaite
5 years ago

Thats a fair point but so does ark royal

UK Defence Journal
5 years ago

It will not be

Richard 'Diki' Day
5 years ago

The namesake for the ships are important and the QE is to honour Queen Elizabeth I and Prince of Wales honours the title (not the person)…..i have always said that our capital ships should be named after royals. If the UK builds a new class of LHDs then HMS Ark Royal will/may return.

Luke Braithwaite
5 years ago

I read somewhere the prince of wales has been asked if he would give the honor up and apparently he said he wouldnt mind

Allan Southern
5 years ago

Rather she was called Warspite.

Jonathan Dunster
5 years ago

Scandalous decision that R09 will not be named Ark Royal

andrew reeves
andrew reeves
5 years ago

or victory

Ian Allen
5 years ago

Wouldn’t surprise me if the bought a Spanish or French LHD to appease them for Gibraltar or for something else equally stupid.

UK Defence Journal
5 years ago

PoW will not be renamed Ark Royal.

Jonathan Dunster
5 years ago

UK Defence Journal why not?

andrew reeves
andrew reeves
5 years ago

TOURIST T- SHIRTS ARE ALREADY PRINTED!

Luke Braithwaite
5 years ago

Ok sorry ?

Neil Dean
5 years ago

I’m sorry but if we can keep Nelsons flagship, Has Bristol and an old Submarine in Portsmouth then surely we can keep Illustrious, after all its the Invincible class Aircraft Carrier is who we have to thank for winning the Falklands. So maybe we should keep it as a floating museum, with Falkland spec Harriers and Sea Kings on the flight dec as a fitting tribute to those who lost there life in 1982.

Simon White
5 years ago

Would be a heck of a dive wreck of the Cornish coast. A few warships have come close and would generate tourism income.

Philip David Hall
5 years ago

Ark Royal should of been saved, it’s a shame non of these ships are being saved ,

Tom Hird
5 years ago

So much history going to be scrapped. Least the new generation are more than capable of carrying on ??

Steve
Steve
5 years ago

What a shame, the government should step in and pay for this and retain it as a public piece, it doesn’t have to be financially viable, after all the opera and other performing arts are not financially viable and yet huge amount of government money.

We have a proud navy history and yet there is less than a handful of the famous ships left preserved for future generations to understand the history of their country.

andrew reeves
andrew reeves
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve

donate it to the australian/canadian/ kiwi navy’s in recognition of their service to the u.k. in the past.

Nick Sellers
5 years ago

Surely, MOD could gift it to to ‘gib.or whoever wants it ? If that fails….so be it. But why not let people try to make a go of it ? X

David Bird
5 years ago

It’s a warship….let’s not get too sentimental

Thomas Baron
5 years ago

Do the Indians not want it. Hermes is getting a bit old and looking for a replacement

Ray Lovie
5 years ago

Not base her in med for fakeugees

Derek Ansell
5 years ago

It should remain in service. A refit would make it an extremely effective warship and an asset to the fleet.

UK Defence Journal
5 years ago
Reply to  Derek Ansell

Sadly not, the hull life of the vessel is such that keeping her at sea would be far more expensive. Keeping her in service as a helicopter carrier would be futile.

Derek Ansell
5 years ago
Reply to  Derek Ansell

Either way we will still require smaller aircraft carriers and helicopter carriers for a balanced fleet. Given how we have downgraded the RN this is probably highly unlikely albeit ill advised.

UK Defence Journal
5 years ago
Reply to  Derek Ansell

Sorry, I disagree.

David Mullen
5 years ago

Give it to Gibraltar they would look after it and turn it into a tourist attraction

Francis Rodgers
5 years ago

Take her out into deep water and sink her.

Steven K
5 years ago

Sell it to N Korea then let the yanks sink it ๐Ÿ™‚

Tim Lewis
Tim Lewis
5 years ago

There are huge gaps in our maritime and aviation heritage because no one would plan ahead and put up the cash. When it’s gone it’s gone so lost to future generations. The Lottery should help out with this one.

Craig Fowler
5 years ago

Should station her in the Falklands with a few harriers on it and the Ocean should be stationed in Gibraltar would solve a couple of big problems there

Christopher Kent
5 years ago
Reply to  Craig Fowler

OMG the harrier has been gone 6 years get over it

UK Defence Journal
5 years ago
Reply to  Craig Fowler

What problems would that solve?

Craig Fowler
5 years ago
Reply to  Craig Fowler

Put the Argies off

Chris Power
5 years ago
Reply to  Craig Fowler

& the Sea Harrier’s been gone 10 years….

UK Defence Journal
5 years ago
Reply to  Craig Fowler

If RAF Mount Pleasant doesn’t deter them…

Michael Coultrup
5 years ago

Turn it into a ferry for the isle of wight. …

Gary Phillips
5 years ago

Shame… I was on the Illustrious in 1986 and she is a beautiful ship.

Chris Lewis
5 years ago

I hope a replacement for ocean is announced sdsr 2020. Call her Ark Royal

andrew reeves
andrew reeves
5 years ago
Reply to  Chris Lewis

or illustrious

Jason Simpkins
5 years ago

prison ship ๐Ÿ™‚

Cj Leathers
5 years ago

I have 5$ USD is that enough to buy it?

Steve
Steve
5 years ago

Yes she is a warship but what differs her from the aztec, egyptian or roman empires of old, only age. in 50/1000 years people will be interested to learn of the British empire and yet nothing is left. The Falkland war was the last major naval wars (and we all hope it stays that way) and yet soon there will be nothing left to remember it. We have a patchy history with our empire, and there is a lot that we are not that proud of, but the falkland war war without a debut a war of horror. I don’t… Read more ยป

david southern
david southern
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve

What did the British ever do for us?….
Railroads
Hovercraft
Jet engine
Computers etc.

They’ll be some comedy film in 50 years time with four well known actors blurting it out!

Philip Drury
5 years ago

Turn it into a floating Mosque perhaps?

andrew reeves
andrew reeves
5 years ago
Reply to  Philip Drury

AND SINK EX IT AS A TEST OF THE ASTUTE SUBS CAPABILITY

Andrew Sloan
5 years ago

How much do they expect to get from scrapping her? Would make an interesting hotel, conference centre and restaurants with possibly a sports club.. It’s certainly big enough and surely this is viable unless the MOD are making it difficult or is it just to unconventional for any of the big operators to even look at?

Sean Smart
5 years ago

Deserves better. She could be turned in to a musuem

UK Defence Journal
5 years ago
Reply to  Sean Smart

No one wants to buy it for that role.