The Roulement Infantry Company, 2nd Battalion The Royal Regiment of Scotland (2 SCOTS), recently completed an exercise across the Falkland Islands, working with the Falkland Islands Defence Force (FIDF), HMS Forth, and the Royal Air Force.

2 SCOTS demonstrated their operational capabilities in the challenging terrain of the Falklands.

The exercise aimed to enhance interoperability and strengthen the coordination between the British military forces and the FIDF.

The official Twitter account of the Falkland Islands Government Representative to the UK and Europe, currently Vice-Chair, expressed enthusiasm. The tweet stated: “Great to see the Falkland Islands Defence Force training alongside @BritishArmy (@CO2SCOTS), @RoyalNavy (@HMS_Forth), and @RoyalAirForce. #Falklands 🇬🇧🇫🇰”

The FIDF, a locally maintained volunteer defence unit, works in tandem with the UK’s military units to safeguard the Falkland Islands.

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George has a degree in Cyber Security from Glasgow Caledonian University and has a keen interest in naval and cyber security matters and has appeared on national radio and television to discuss current events. George is on Twitter at @geoallison
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DH
DH (@guest_834501)
16 days ago

Exercising your troops always lets frisky neighbours see your resolve. 😉🙃🕳️Btth.

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke (@guest_834510)
16 days ago
Reply to  DH

Good to see the air bridge being tested.

I wonder how well equipped FIDF are – I suspect quite well?

They will be hardy determined people who know the terrain too as well as not wanting to see their homeland invaded.

DH
DH (@guest_834517)
16 days ago

Hi SB, correct. But there again if latest reports (Israeli oil digging Co.) aren’t misleading, locals could be a hell of lot happier soon, and Frisky neighbours, very, very upset to the point of….. 🙃 🕳️ Btth

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke (@guest_834544)
16 days ago
Reply to  DH

FI might have rather a lot of money soon. Previously, they did offer to fund an RN frigate to be stationed down there. RN declined as they wanted to control tastings.

I wouldn’t be too suprised if they ordered a beefed up coastguard patrol ship themselves with a 57mm and a couple of 40mm on it…..just thinking aloud……they will need to think about potential Chinese antics and their bullying approach to fishing…..might look a lot like a lean crewed T32……

Jonathan
Jonathan (@guest_834614)
16 days ago

They have just got a new patrol vessel a 50meter long Damen Stan patrol 5009. Crew 28, range 10,000miles, endurance 30 days 60 days max..40 days cruising at 10knots) armed with 2 heavy machine guns.

Dern
Dern (@guest_834518)
16 days ago

Not really, it’s a light Infantry Coy-, so Rifles, Sharpshooters and GPMGs, No mortars or UGL’s, or Anti-structure munitions.

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke (@guest_834520)
16 days ago
Reply to  Dern

Still useful to have determined trained people on the ground.

Depends if that is augmented by what Army, RAF and RN have down there?

John Clark
John Clark (@guest_834530)
16 days ago

My response would, to what threat???

There really isn’t any, good to keep their teeth sharp, but Argentina are absolutely no threat whatsoever and would currently struggle to shift enough manpower to occupy South Thule, never mind the Falklands….

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke (@guest_834548)
16 days ago
Reply to  John Clark

Threats might well transform themselves with a few Chinese fishing vessels setting up camp on South Georgia – that would be more by concern…..usual Chinese tactics if start squatting in a very bellicose manner and then hoist a flag and build a base.

Could be used to start another pot boiling over to increase the number of distractions?

John Clark
John Clark (@guest_834570)
16 days ago

That’s a good point. We need to ensure China keep away from our Atlantic possessions.

A minimum force structure is needed to ensure this, with the ability to sent an armed party as far south as Southern Thule, if needed.

The Agentie threat is currently and for the foreseeable future, dead in the water.

Last edited 16 days ago by John Clark
Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke (@guest_834575)
16 days ago
Reply to  John Clark

The Argentine threat is dead as long as El Presidente is interested in fixing the economy by economics and that us the present incumbents approach.

If and when the population start to feel that any interest in anything else with be vastly reduced.

John Clark
John Clark (@guest_834576)
16 days ago

“Viva El Presidente” You can visualise the Generals uniform and mirrored sunglasses…

The Agentime AF’s are so degraded, it would take 10 years or rearmnment before they became anything approaching a threat…

Jonathan
Jonathan (@guest_834616)
16 days ago

The south Atlantic is an area that is extremely strategically important..the British south Atlantic territories and the British Antarctic territory are potentially really significant from a resource point of view…and as access to the BAT, at some point the Antarctic treat organisation is going to fail and a starting gun will go off for a new world to exploit and very little of the world recognises our claim…( the BAT is the very best bit of the Antarctic). It’s very likely there will be some form of conflict in the south Atlantic at some point and it will be a… Read more »

Rst2001
Rst2001 (@guest_834640)
15 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

I wonder how much israel influence will be placed on the Falkland islands if an Israeli company extracts oil. Im not convinced this is a good idea , bit of a longterm trojan horse. Israeli lobbying in parliament and general business interests may Influence uk to do a deal with Argentina . Didnt israel supply some useful kit to Argentina during the Falklands war ? . On the flip side having israel in falklands may strengthen uk hands in South Atlantic. Either way uk really needs to have south antarctic falklands area as a key part of defense review as… Read more »

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_834755)
15 days ago
Reply to  Rst2001

I don’t agree. Do multinational O&G companies in the North Sea influence our Government on anything at all, including the conduct of foreign affairs?

Lonpfrb
Lonpfrb (@guest_834970)
14 days ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

British Petroleum and Royal Dutch Shell have considerable influence on HM Treasury and more capital than most banks..

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_835197)
13 days ago
Reply to  Lonpfrb

Not sure I can think of any examples of multinational O&G companies influencing the Foreign Office to change their foreign policy.

Lonpfrb
Lonpfrb (@guest_835328)
13 days ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Isn’t the middle east today largely a result of foreign policy to serve the interests of O&G companies while feeding tax to HM Treasury over the previous two centuries?

Using Royalty to align with ME rulers for UK banking and defense interests being the side effects enabled by big pots of black gold…

Granted, the FCO doesn’t send press releases about what they did for UK O&G interests, but they know what is the UK national interest and how important energy is economically. Quietly but effectively.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_835415)
13 days ago
Reply to  Lonpfrb

It seems to be a very American view that nearly everything that happens in the world is about oil. Some seem to think the UK-Argentine dispute over the Falklands was always ever about oil! I digress. The map of the Middle East was drawn up with apportionment in the wake of WW1. At that point oil had only been discovered in Persia (the Abadan field was found in 1908 and commercially exploited by the Anglo-Persian Oil Company (APOC) (renamed BP from 1954) from 1913.) Oil during or soon after WW1 was not as available, useful or valuable a commodity as… Read more »

Last edited 13 days ago by Graham Moore
Lonpfrb
Lonpfrb (@guest_836124)
11 days ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Fascinating! Thanks for bringing the facts.

As I remember 1982, the right to self determination by the Falkland Islanders was the causus belli.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_836205)
10 days ago
Reply to  Lonpfrb

Thanks. I don’t recall that as the causus belli. It seemed to be a combination of a junta in power in Argentina, their need to divert the attention of the population away from a shocking economic position, combined with the perception that the UK had lost some interest in firm sovereignty and had embarked on a programme to reduce key military assets (the sale of one or even two brand new carriers and the scrapping of the ice patrol ship.) The islanders have always had the right to self-determination anyway. They elect their own government, the Falkland Islands Government –… Read more »

rst 2001
rst 2001 (@guest_835809)
12 days ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Surely business interests and trade abroad has always influenced foreign policy and government actions at home. This has been the case through out history. I am certain that if this Israeli oil company has issues in the Falklands, for example a war breaking out , they will be asking the Israeli government for some political backup. And on the flipside its an opportunity for the Israeli govt to use the Israeli company as some kind of leverage in the South Atlantic. What ever that leverage maybe for better or worse i have no idea. But the day the Israeli company… Read more »

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_836158)
10 days ago
Reply to  rst 2001

If this Israeli oil company has O&G assets in international waters off the Falklands and the Argentinians started a war again, the Israeli ship would swiftly sail into safer waters, rather than asking their Government for ‘political backup’ whatever that would amount to.

Jonathan
Jonathan (@guest_836242)
10 days ago
Reply to  Rst2001

The UK has around 1500 military personnel on the island, with a large runway that would allow very quick reenforcement from the UK..the Uk has a very good amount of strategic airlift to move an air mobile brigade to the islands if needed..

But agree it’s an area that HMG need to plan to defend…but removing the UK from the Falklands would be very difficult.

Lonpfrb
Lonpfrb (@guest_834968)
14 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

So an opportunity for Royal Marines to demonstrate their expeditionary capabilities and arctic knowledge?
Deterrence by demonstration..

Louis
Louis (@guest_836226)
10 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

The BAT is only British as long as the Antarctic treaty is upheld, which means we can’t extract anything from it.

If the Antarctic treaty is ignored (which it will be) the UK is hardly in a position to protect the BAT.

Jonathan
Jonathan (@guest_836239)
10 days ago
Reply to  Louis

Actually Louis the UK is in a very good place to protect the BAT. Exactly who would take it off the UK and how…of the major nations its got the best placed infrastructure and it has in a region a major military base, with a large runway..with the other south Atlantic territories it allows a continuous strategic airbridge from the UK to the BAT…infact no other major nation has that capability. The only way to remove the UK from the BAT would be to remove the UK from the Falklands…and how does anyone do that..when the Uk could put an… Read more »

Louis
Louis (@guest_836337)
10 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

The BAT is not ours… Therefore if we extract anything we will receive worldwide condemnation and sanctions. Currently the biggest issue will be offshore oil, the RN is not large enough and does not have the assets to protect it, and no commercial company would take that risk. If China started drilling for oil in the BAT what would we do? Military action is absurd. An airmobile brigade on the Falklands does not help defend the BAT, and the Paras are not trained or equipped to be fighting in Antarctica. A few people on this thread seem to overestimate readiness.… Read more »

Jonathan
Jonathan (@guest_836348)
10 days ago
Reply to  Louis

Yes the BAT is ours, within our legal governance framework it is legally a British overseas territory for which the UK has claimed sovereignty. Other nations have counter claims…the treaty simply suspends and holds in abeyance all claims and counter claims…but UK policy is very clear on the sovereignty of the territory. As for separation of land and sea there is not separation in the treaty as it covers all areas south of 60 degrees. if a nation starts drilling south of latitude 60 essentially the treaty will have collapsed and the UK would almost inevitably defend its claimed sovereignty…… Read more »

Louis
Louis (@guest_836359)
10 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

The BAT is only ours if the Antarctic treaty is upheld. Which means if you’re talking about extracting oil then the BAT is not ours. As soon as the Antarctic treaty is broken then it is only British according to Britain. Suggesting we go to war over China drilling for oil in an area that would no longer be ours is just weird. The Falklands is not the key to Antarctica. An airmobile brigade on the Falklands is irrelevant. Why would China bother taking the Falklands if all they have to do is destroy Mount Pleasant? 4 CAMM launchers, a… Read more »

Jonathan
Jonathan (@guest_836363)
10 days ago
Reply to  Louis

No the BAT is ours because we say it is and we own the infrastructure to get there and if we are willing to defend it it will remain ours. Sovereignty is always based on what a nation says it is..and to say we would simply give up on sovereignty in an area because of aggression by another state is simply not evidenced in any way we have ever done foreign policy…we may voluntarily hand over sovereignty for a swapped benefit..but not for any other reason…we went to war for our south Atlantic territorial claims before and it would be… Read more »

Louis
Louis (@guest_836381)
9 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

BAT has no civilian population. In winter there are less than 4 dozen research personnel. When Argentina took Southern Thule in 1976 the UK did nothing. The UK is not going to war over China drilling for oil in Antarctica, why would you even want that it’s just weird? What commercial company is going to extract oil in Antarctica from a licence granted by the British government? None would be that stupid. The PLAN wants 6 aircraft carriers by 2035. 2-3 carrier groups would wreck whatever we could deploy at mount pleasant. The idea we would go to war over… Read more »

Jonathan
Jonathan (@guest_836423)
9 days ago
Reply to  Louis

When did I say I wanted the UK to go to war with china, I’m giving my opinion that I believe the UK would not simply allow another nation to use aggression to take British sovereignty territory…I’m not making a statement of wrong or right. As for china….it’s not going to have 6 carrier battle groups to send to the south Atlantic in 2035..I keep abreast of china and consider them a significant threat, but they are not going to get that many carrier battle groups in place in a decade…their primary concern and develop is fight the USN to… Read more »

Louis
Louis (@guest_836454)
9 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

In 2011 the PLAN had 0 carriers in service. Now they have 2, by 2026 it’ll be 3. Just 15 years difference. The Antarctic treaty doesn’t have an expiration date but it can’t be modified until 2048. At some point it’ll be broken. The key to the BAT is not the Falklands, but Argentina. If China and Argentina ally then you could triple the forces at Mount Pleasant and it wouldn’t make a difference. Argentina is going to want the oil so it’ll have to pick either the West or China at some point. Oil in the Falklands has now… Read more »

Frank62
Frank62 (@guest_834681)
15 days ago

The way to deal with any “squatting” by China on any UK teritory would be to arrest/engage & evict them forcefully before they start the criminal colonialism as per SCS. Sitting back allowing them to get away with it only encourages & enables them.

Last edited 15 days ago by Frank62
Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke (@guest_834683)
15 days ago
Reply to  Frank62

The problem is that their squatters will come with a bunch of coastguard ships that all have plenty of guns on them and are quite happy to ram other ships. To more they can do their ‘fishing’ wherever they fancy. Their fishing base then rapidly grows an airstrip with AAW and AShM. Backed by a large flotilla of construction ships and equipment that just happen to be in the area. That is what has to be thought about. The Chinese stalk a lot about not interfering in other countries but the reality is they simply don’t care and will bully… Read more »

Frank62
Frank62 (@guest_834689)
15 days ago

Indeed SB. That’s exactly why we need to meet them head on & be prepared to use whatever force necessary to defeat/destroy/deter them IF they ever try it. Otherwise we all learn to speak Chinese & keep our thoughts to ourselves. Likely many of us would not survive a Chinese take over having already crossed red lines speaking freely.

Chinese double speak is centuries old. No more credible than Putin’s lies. We watch what they do rather than what they say.

Last edited 15 days ago by Frank62
Michael Brigg
Michael Brigg (@guest_834890)
15 days ago
Reply to  Frank62

I hope they go straight in and evict them. The thing that worries me is Labour have stopped North Sea oil & gas exploration will they do the same in the Falklands. Enough damage has been done by stopping us being more self reliant.

Jonno
Jonno (@guest_834649)
15 days ago
Reply to  John Clark

Never underestimate your possible enemy. We did that before thinking an invisible SSN would scare them off. As usual the FCO was trying to negotiate a sell out so they didn’t react to the scrap dealers till too late. If we’d shipped a flight of Harriers down south things might never have happened.
Now we can reinforce very quickly and have a good chance of nixing a threat for 5 years.
We need more P8’s so we can send a couple out there every so often. We need at least another 8.

TR
TR (@guest_834794)
15 days ago
Reply to  Jonno

An “Invisible SSN” did scare off an Argentinian invasion in 1977. Similarly after Belgrano the entire Argentinian navy returned to port, had an SSN been dispatched in time in 1982 it would have been alot more effective than a flight of Harriers

George
George (@guest_834774)
15 days ago
Reply to  John Clark

Never underestimate the enemy. If the CCP open the naval/air base that was talked about quite recently, things could change quickly. The ChiComs have already expressed support for the Argie claim on the islands and want access to South American resources. The potential is there for striking a deal.

Matthew bowler
Matthew bowler (@guest_835007)
14 days ago
Reply to  John Clark

They said that in the early 70s now look

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli (@guest_834534)
16 days ago

You mean as in pre positioned equipment?

Dern
Dern (@guest_834627)
16 days ago

Well, that would be a flight of Typhoons, a light Infantry Coy on rotation and a River B2.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_834754)
15 days ago

The FIDF is under command of HE The Governor who tasks them – they would typically defend the seat of power (Government House) and certain other KPs (eg telephone exchange, radio station, power station).

A few guys deploy frequently on fisheries protection/patrol, manning the weapon on the single FIG Fisheries Patrol Vessel (always used to be a 20mm Oerlikon) and acting as boarding party.

They often train with our forces and often act as enemy forces to the UK Roulement Inf Coy, who of course have a different role.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli (@guest_834529)
16 days ago
Reply to  Dern

I recall they used, are using, Steyr AUGs?
Found it interesting they didn’t standardise with the British Army on their IW.

John Clark
John Clark (@guest_834580)
16 days ago

I think they are L85A3 users now mate….

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli (@guest_834589)
16 days ago
Reply to  John Clark

Ah, ok.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli (@guest_834602)
16 days ago
Reply to  John Clark

Do you know why they got the Steyr then?
As opposed to getting the SLR from the start?

Dern
Dern (@guest_834633)
16 days ago

BOT’s have always had different procurement streams from the main Army, eg the Bermuda Regiment used to use Ruger Mini-14’s for ages. It’s because, minus Gib Reg, none of the BOT Regiments are actually part of the army so they can kind of do whatever the F they like.

Realistically I’ve felt for a long time that we should amalgamate them all into the army, and make them a Regiment/Division (depending on manning) within the Infantry.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli (@guest_834639)
15 days ago
Reply to  Dern

Thanks.
I recall your ORBAT with that in mind.

George
George (@guest_834775)
15 days ago
Reply to  Dern

Excellent idea.

John Clark
John Clark (@guest_834658)
15 days ago

They had wood L1A1’s, they were ‘donated’ to Argentina in the Invasion.

Post Conflict, the reconstituted FIDF was issued with a batch of overhauled plastic furniture L1A1’s, L2A3’s and L9’s from store.

They kept the L1’s and L3’s until 93, when they decided on a private purchase of Steyer Augs, who could blame them….!

They again standardised with the Army a few years back now.

Incidentally, the ex FIDF L1A1’s went into the private sector and were deactivated, each one with a certificate stipulating it’s s/n.

I had a few of them over the years for onward trade sale.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli (@guest_834691)
15 days ago
Reply to  John Clark

Thanks for that mate.

Dern
Dern (@guest_834628)
16 days ago
Reply to  John Clark

A2’s.

John Clark
John Clark (@guest_834716)
15 days ago
Reply to  Dern

Quite right Dern, I believe a few A3’s too, as of late….

Dern
Dern (@guest_834829)
15 days ago
Reply to  John Clark

I’d hope not! Even Regulars aren’t all equipped with the A3 yet (my one is apparently due to be handed off to a CS battalion I think), so if they’re going to the FIDF that’s a bit shocking!

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_834757)
15 days ago

They had Steyr AUGs for years. They got a good deal from the Austrians. They are not part of the British Army – they are independent and have a different role and chain of command – they procure what they like.

They have now got L85s (A2 or A3, not sure which).
I am fairly sure all their key equipment now (certainly weapons) is British.

Last edited 15 days ago by Graham Moore
George
George (@guest_834776)
15 days ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

If memory serves the FIDF visited our Australian cousins to assess their Steyr rifles before deciding. I think the FIDF initially made the better choice over the L85.

Nothing wrong with the Steyr AUG. It is chambered for standard NATO 5.56; is easily adapted for lefties in minutes by changing the bolt; has no jagged edges that catch on webbing etc is rugged and reliable. I’ve fired them while in the US but never taken one out in the field. Although I imagine it’s very easy to live with.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_835044)
14 days ago
Reply to  George

Thanks George. The Steyr AUG always looked a funny sort of weapon but its the performance that matters. I converted onto L85A1 in ’91 or ’92 – I did not like the ergonomics of the ‘new’ weapon, the handling drills (and that was before the ‘forward assist’ was a thing), its weight (for its size) and could never properly master fitting and unfitting the sling! But then I did not handle it frequently enough to develop the skill-set.

However I was happy to have one in Camp Bastion in 2008/9 rather than a pistol!

George
George (@guest_835070)
14 days ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

It’s was certainly unconventional when introduced, even space age looking. I think there is still a YouTube video of the original sales data/film from the manufacturer. They place an AUG on grass along with several loaded transparent magazines and drive a 4×4 over them. Hitting the plastic stock housing the working parts. Pick up the weapon and proceed to fire all magazines down range. Try that with a L85. In 1990 I snapped the plastic forward handguard off a LSW while performing “rifle strengthening exercises” on the conversion course. It needed to be modified from day one. I’m told it’s… Read more »

Jonathan
Jonathan (@guest_834611)
16 days ago

They are struggling to find volunteers for it so I think they had 38 members…

George
George (@guest_834778)
15 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

It fluctuates like all part time units. However, since 82 they do have a strong reserve of former members on the islands. During the war locals volunteered as guides for their liberators but lacked an understanding of the army way of doing things. That has changed. Increasing their value as pathfinders.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_834751)
15 days ago

The FIDF is a light role infantry company of local volunteers with a paper strength of 200 ie 100 Primary Reserves and a further 100 Secondary Reserves – but parade strength may be a lot less.

They now have SA80 (replaces Steyr AUGs), GPMGs, L129A1 Sharpshooter rifles, 0.50 HMGs, night vision kit and secure comms. Mostly their role is on land of course but some are trained in fishery protection/boarding and can man a 20mm Oerlikon at sea.

I worked with them when I did a tour there some 25 years ago.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli (@guest_834758)
15 days ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

I recall an article somewhere about a minimal vehicle complement as well, forget what.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_834947)
14 days ago

Yes, a distinct need for them to get around the islands. They have quadbikes and LRs with pintle mounted MGs (HMGs and GPMGs).
Not sure how they get rifle sections around. Think they had 4-tonners when I was there some 25 years ago. I saw an article once which said they had ‘armoured vehicles’, but no details – it must mean they have some PM vehs? Not sure.

Last edited 14 days ago by Graham Moore
Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli (@guest_834955)
14 days ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Me neither. Some old BVs seem ideal?

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_835193)
13 days ago

JSEOD unit, FI used to cut about in BV206, when I was down there. That unit may have gone now. Wonder if they left their BVs there for FIDF??

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli (@guest_835200)
13 days ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Don’t think so, I recall there is still a Joint Services EOD set up. As you will know, most of the supporting elements are joint.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_835395)
13 days ago

Yes. It is very much a Joint Operating Base with very many joint units.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli (@guest_835404)
13 days ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Joint Operations Centre.
Falkland Islands Support Unit.
Falkland Islands Joint Logistic Unit.
JCU Falkland Islands.
Joint Services Provost & Security Unit.
Joint Services EOD Unit.
JSSU Falkland Islands.

Not aware of any others?

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_835748)
12 days ago

My time there was in 1999/2000. There were just about to merge the Engineering unit and the Log unit – both were Joint units.

I think you have the lot on your list! Of course the HQ is not a unit but is joint – was HQ BFFI in my day, and now HQ BFSAI.

George
George (@guest_834779)
15 days ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

You did get around Graham. 💂

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_835046)
14 days ago
Reply to  George

Up to a point George. I was in for 34 years (1975-2009), and you probably know you get posted as an officer roughly every 2 years, once you are through initial training which for me took 4 years including the degree course. I had 4 postings to Germany (one being after unification), postings to Cyprus (6-months), Canada, the Falklands (6 months), a deployment to Afghanistan (6 months) – and the rest were GB postings. I had short working visits to NI, Jordan, France. I was disappointed only to have had two ‘op tours’ in that time – UNFICYP and Afghan.… Read more »

Baker
Baker (@guest_834789)
15 days ago
Reply to  DH

Hello David, just wondering what “Btth” stands for, I keep seeing you write it at the end of your comments ? TFAA.

DH
DH (@guest_834809)
15 days ago
Reply to  Baker

Oh that, Baker just a wee jest, Back to the hole 🕳. From whenst I came☺️👍. Ttfn.

John Clark
John Clark (@guest_834533)
16 days ago

A well resourced FIDF, plus the rotational Battlion and the RAF are an overmatch for any potential threat.

As long as that minimum force level is maintained and exercised and we have the ability to rapidly reinforce, we are golden.

What about protecting South Georgia and Southern Thule though, I hope that’s planned for.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli (@guest_834561)
16 days ago
Reply to  John Clark

A Roulement Infantry Company, mate, it’s not a Battalion.
Unless you meant, when all the bits and pieces are added, it’s around Bn sized. Which it probably is! 😆

John Clark
John Clark (@guest_834563)
16 days ago

I stand corrected Daniele…..

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli (@guest_834577)
16 days ago
Reply to  John Clark

Sorry, mate, just trying to be accurate. My own understanding is that the Infantry Company and the RA Battery are rouled from the parent unit, the other disparate elements from the CS CSS areas are all stand alone units. I agree, I don’t see a conventional threat, and as long as MPA is available, we win. I do think that small scale stuff and sabotage could be an issue. As always, intelligence is the key. There is a small unit down there known as JSSU ( FI ) to help in that regard. If one knows where to look, you… Read more »

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_834762)
15 days ago
Reply to  John Clark

As Daniele said our army has a RIC down there, not a battalion – it is 110-men strong, so not huge.

John Clark
John Clark (@guest_834783)
15 days ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Yep, got it mate. Probably enough with the FIDF and the ability to rapidly reinforce.

If we could rapidly establish a Brigade sized force with transport, Chinnoks, Apache, a dozen Typoons, and an SSN pootling about, there is zero threat.

The ability to rapidly relocate well armed company sized elements via Chinooks with Apache support would be a huge force muliplyer against any threat to the Islands.

Even that comparatively modest force would be massive overmatch.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_835047)
14 days ago
Reply to  John Clark

When I was down there I sharpened up the reinforcement plans with my opposite number in PJHQ.

What would be a concern is if Argentina acquired and got proficient with long range precision munitions, such that they were able to degrade the Typhoon force, the runway, its AD and key airfield infrastructure, the mountain top radars – by pre-emptive attack.
Hope that won’t happen!

John Clark
John Clark (@guest_835079)
14 days ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

I see where your coming from Graham, quite rightly, you have to consider all eventualities from a defence perspective.

But the reality Argentina has effectively disarmed, from the perspective of expeditionary operations of any significant ability.

Attacking the Falklands would serve absolutely no purpose and even if Argentina started to rearm today, it would be a decade before they had any capacity to threaten our SA interests.

Thank God, some common sense seems to have broken out in Argentina.

We have an opportunity to return to friendly relations under their current government.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_835249)
13 days ago
Reply to  John Clark

John, I remember when evaluating scenarios, they would range from Worst Case to Best Case. We then had to ascertain the Most Likely Case which would lie between the 2 extremes. All good stuff. Worst Case (for UK) scenario always has to be painted, which is the one I roughly outlined.

Argentine forces have weakend considerably since 1982, but some rearmament there is in the offing, so we should not be completely complacent.

It is interesting to know about the friendly relations pre’82 – some surprises there.

Gary
Gary (@guest_834593)
16 days ago

The way things are going the next Falklands war the Argentinians are going to have the advantage.They are on a spending spree, whereas we need to speed up our procurement.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli (@guest_834603)
16 days ago
Reply to  Gary

In what respect will they have the advantage?

Gary
Gary (@guest_834605)
16 days ago

Argentina has announced they going to be buying fighters , subs and landing ships.As well as buying more tanks and upgrading what they have.
We have a far smaller Navy than we had in 1982.The Government really needs to speed up their procurement processes. New government really needs to consider a second Falklands war is getting more likely and put more resources in the Falklands.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli (@guest_834607)
16 days ago
Reply to  Gary

It needs watching, but that is what the DA network and DI are for.
Until they get SSNs or high end ASW vessels, or can land by air with enough mass to negate MPA, we can blockade with SSN or fly in within 48 hours.
I still don’t see any advantage to Argentina beyond geography.

Gary
Gary (@guest_834637)
15 days ago

All true, i just want to see our forces with the kit they want and need.
Rather than what Whitehall thinks will be politically correct.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli (@guest_834641)
15 days ago
Reply to  Gary

I think you, and I, will be waiting some time.

John Clark
John Clark (@guest_835081)
14 days ago

Exactly, a single SSN alone has the ability to bring the economy of a trading nation like Argentina to its knees very quickly.

The future (next 50 years) potental threat to our South Atlantic possessions is China.

Louis
Louis (@guest_836234)
10 days ago

Argentina don’t need any of that. They are 600km from the Falklands, and the waters around the islands are quite shallow, SSKs are perfectly suitable. They don’t need to dominate the sea, they need to stop reinforcements arriving. In practice that means taking out Mount Pleasant within 3 days which is when immediate reinforcements would arrive, having enough troops on the island by 2 weeks which is when the SSNs arrive, and full or near full control of the islands by a month which is when an RN task force would arrive. The first task is the hardest and most… Read more »

Dern
Dern (@guest_834634)
16 days ago
Reply to  Gary

Not sure I’d want to be a Argentinian F-16 when the clouds start speaking Meteor.

Gary
Gary (@guest_834638)
15 days ago
Reply to  Dern

Totally agree, but hoping more typhoons are stationed at mount pleasant rather than 4, which usually means 2 operational.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_834763)
15 days ago
Reply to  Gary

Gary, you can hope as much as you like for more Typhoons but we have 4 Tranche 1 Typhoons in FI (1435 Flt RAF). That is Open Source info of course.

Martin L
Martin L (@guest_834886)
15 days ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

It’s been reported that the UK is to dispose of up to 30 branch 1 Typhoons next year. There are also a dozen spare storage sheds at Mount Pleasant so some could be stored there. At least enough to ensure that there are four available aircraft available at all times. I don’t know how many extra maintenance crew would be required to achieve that but I would guess only a relatively small number if the tempo of actual flying does not increase.

Martin L
Martin L (@guest_834887)
15 days ago
Reply to  Martin L

Sorry put available in twice. Only need to read one of them

Lonpfrb
Lonpfrb (@guest_834977)
14 days ago
Reply to  Martin L

I thought the key reason for tranche 1 to go was the cost of sustainment with many obsolete parts in short supply. Adding a huge distance makes that worse. How many ground crew would want to be on an obsolete aircraft at the other end of the world…

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_835086)
14 days ago
Reply to  Martin L

I’m not an aircraft engineer but I doubt you could satisfactorily store the 4 soon-to-be-retired Tranche 1 Falklands Typhoons in a random shed at MPA and expect them to stay in good condition even with a good number of maintainers. Different matter if some CHE could be installed in the shed, perhaps. It’s a general rule that complex kit needs to be exercised proactively to keep all systems up and running – and ideally, periodically flown. Aircraft tend to have very large maintenance teams, but I am sure it would be a somewhat smaller team to look after stored aircraft.… Read more »

Louis
Louis (@guest_836233)
10 days ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

The T1s on the Falklands are staying put. God knows for how long but they aren’t retiring next year like the rest of the T1s are.

RAF Shawbury can store aircraft, 10 of the 30 T1s have been there for a few years.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_836318)
10 days ago
Reply to  Louis

Interesting Louis. Thanks. The T1s on the Falklands will clearly be replaced by T2 or T3 at some stage.

The stored T1 aircraft at Shawbury will be disposed of (by sale, gifting, breaking for spares or scrapping) when T1 is formally declared Obsolete. We do not keep Obsolete equipment in storage for later use, much as some people think we should.

Louis
Louis (@guest_836358)
10 days ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

I think Shawbury is mainly used for damaged airframes.

Hopefully the T1s will be sold rather than stripped for parts and scrapped.

Lonpfrb
Lonpfrb (@guest_834976)
14 days ago
Reply to  Dern

Are we confident that CCP, having failed to supply aircraft, won’t be keen to supply missile or electronic warfare surprises?
Is F-16 integration impossible due to US controls on F-16 avionics?

Rst2001
Rst2001 (@guest_834642)
15 days ago
Reply to  Gary

Without a doubt. Argentina will attack first giving them immense advantage and make full use of latest drone technology . Argentina does not need a modern airforce to win the first blow

Thomas Buchanan
Thomas Buchanan (@guest_834675)
15 days ago

I think it’s disgusting that the British government disbanded the Ulster Defence Regiment, in order to appease the Irish government, Northern Ireland has approximately 1.8million citizens, the Falkland Islands population is considerably less and they have their own armed militia

Frank62
Frank62 (@guest_834679)
15 days ago

Excellent. Maybe regular such deployments on excercise to the Falklands, unnannounced, would deter the Argentines from risking a second invasion, come the day they feel ready.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_834764)
15 days ago
Reply to  Frank62

There used to be a time when certain TA/Army Reserve units or sub-units went down to do their annual camp exercises in FI. May still happen.

Frank62
Frank62 (@guest_834768)
15 days ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Ta Graham. Interesting.

RB
RB (@guest_834760)
15 days ago

Good to hear of this exercise – presumably also aimed at Argentinian ears. The Falkland Islands are underutilised for training purposes – but realistically the sheer distance and lack of infrastructure provides a good excuse. Scotland and even Canada are usually better options when minding the pennies.

CJ
CJ (@guest_834889)
15 days ago

Gibraltar, Falklands Islands, Sandwich Islands etc should be Britain’s top priority after the UK mainland.