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Plans to privatise the MGS have been met with resistance from the Public and Commercial Services and have raised concerns with the public.

In recent years the MoD has placed great efforts into exploring and testing processes by which defence outsourcing may relieve budget constraints and close gaps on deficiencies whilst maintaining defence capabilities.

The move could be seen as a positive for the UK Security Industry, if the move were to be implemented and maintained without fault it could change the perceptions of both the public and policy makers as to the viability and suitability of defence security outsourcing within the UK.

In a statement made by the PCS on 03rd March their representative said:

“The MoD has its own in-house bid team which will compete against the private firms seeking to run the service and which is backed by the MoD trade unions. We remain sceptical, however, at the resources that will be allocated to this team and just how serious an effort the MoD will make to retain control of the service.”

The proposed system could affect the jobs of up to 400 staff at Faslane and Coulport and many speculate that the move could cause security deficiencies at the nuclear sites.

14 COMMENTS

  1. NO. NO. NO

    When will these muppets learn that some things should not be outsourced. Have they not learned from the Olympics G$S debacle, that required the military to intervene.

    I really do despair at the lack of intelligence being demonstrated by all parties involved in many Govt services, not just military.

    Absolutely barking mad – especially for what is a relatively small amount of money…

  2. Remember you have the MPGS that can do the jobs
    Of the MGS and MDP and cost less. No putting in
    For allowances every week

    • We have all seen what the MPGS are capable of thanks, and how they cost more because of Service Family Accomodation, Medical Care for them and their dependants, fuel and travelling etc. Also the very poor quality recruitment, discipline issues and even worse retention rates. Visit any of the L1 or L2 sites that replaced MDP/MGS with MPGS and see how poor the service provided is in comparison to how it was, and the dissatisfaction the site commanders feel.

  3. Private security will not have the legal right to use lethal force to defend an MOD site or its personnel. For this reason alone using private security firms is a none starter. What is next privatise the nuclear deterrent? Some things we cannot privatise and have to keep in public control. Sorry Torries the whole country is not up for sale to your chums from Eton.

  4. We need to keep the MGS they are trained alot better than private source’s like “G4S” we cant afford slip ups like whats happening with our prision’s on our MOD sites there are alot better ways to save money cutting our security is not one of them !

  5. In principle i am against privatisation of the MGS, and yes they do a different job from the likes of private outsourced security companies, and yes probably there are legal implecations in this as well, with regards to the security and operations in most if not all military establishments as well as MoD buildings.

    The unfortunate thing about this is, exactly what someone else commented: “Remember you have the MPGS”, they effectively can cover the job of both the MGS and Barrack Guard on most or all Military establishments throughout the UK that require this.
    They cannot ofcoarse provide the role of the MDP, but i am sure could provide the role of building security in other MoD buildings, like Central London or elsewhere.
    One of the main reasons the MGS is in the poor state it is, is really one of the faults of themselves, i was involved with the MGS in working alongside them in varios places in the UK and elsewhere, and one of their biggest problems was a lot of their staff.
    A lot, but not all, had no vision or forward thinking, no get up and go or did they want to look into career moves with training or promotion or anything like that, they were just happy to plod along day to day, then along came the Unions into them and again a lot, not all relied on the union when they went sick all the time, came in late to work, and generally couldnt have cared less about anything apart from their meal breaks, and finishing time.
    Some of their so called supervisors or whatever their titles were, were just as bad with their mentality and unionised opproach to things, wanting to sit around and drink coffee, some even had the idea that thinking they were part of the armed forces, but yet had the civil service mentality thoroughly at the back of their minds to most things.
    Their management certainly did not lead by example from what i saw in a number of situations, with coming in to work late and finishing early, especially on a Friday, as if security and their roles finished at 1400 on a Friday afternoon.
    I dare say this mentality got worse under the Governments of Blair and Brown, so in the age of value for money etc.. I can see why this is being looked at by the present Government, if it is, and not being made up by the Unions as usual, to try and whip up some media and public frenzy into supporting their militant and lazy ways.

  6. The MPGS cost more than the MGS ? MPGS do not have legal training like the MDP in Law ? G4S and other private firm are useless compared to the MGS,MDP,MPGS its stupid to be even be thinking about putting private firms on MOD sites. The MGS were made cause of the private firms mess ups in the past and we dont hear much of them so that is a good sign there doing a good job the only time you hear about security is when something goes wrong.

  7. Or more to the point SNOWDROPS

    Or more to the point why not use our three armed forces police instead of cutting back on them

  8. This is penny pinching at its finest. Weve got Crapita and Carcrashion running recruiting and services. And theyre letting everyonne down. Do we really think G4S couod guard nuclear subs?? Really thus bunch of clowns are desperate to keep tge pretence of private enterprise being cheaper. When actually uts just nit screwed up by stupidity at tge top as much. For true private enterprise skills….check out the banks….yes great management skills there

  9. This is only one example of the cascading of failure across the MOD, Security is just one area being looked at for cost savings, if I had a pound for every time I have heard this year ‘the MOD don’t have any money’ I could retire early. The term Cost Based Challenge is in every meeting, briefing, boardroom and MOD Base discussion, every contractor supporting MOD on every Base in the UK has to make huge savings or risk losing their contract for the cheapest quotes because the decision makers are Bean Counters who do not understand the delivery of services and don’t care because it is a Spreadsheet not an effective professional service. There are huge shortfalls in funding the Naval base at Portsmouth supporting the New Aircraft Carrier alongside struggles to recruit effective MGS Officers. If the MOD Looked internally and reviewed their administration staff, middle and upper management it would find the savings by trimming the overstaffed offices of individuals who consider they have a job for life, people who have been so long in their posts they consider it their right to be employed by the MOD a weak and easy life employer.

  10. I saw at first hand before retiring from the MGS how little effort was being made to retain them. The top brass were simply looking after their own interests and did little to support the future of the MGS officers. The Unions spent more time trying to get more for less by opposing every initiative that the management put forward to try and get the staff to see how they needed to work with their managers to secure their own future and this resulted in rising costs. Exaggerated claims about the MPGs were being made about their costs and efficient work standards. And military commanders on sites were against not having full control over their security staff. Putting the work out to the private sector where they ship in staff from anywhere and everywhere without the full levels of training that the MGS were given can do nothing other than lower the standards and increase the risks. When will the Government, Trade Unions and Military Commanders see common sense and not these petty penny pinching or self serving agendas?. Especially in this day of higher terrorist activity.

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