Conservative MPs have called on the government to commit to new Typhoon fighter orders for the Royal Air Force, warning that Britain risks undermining its credibility as a leading manufacturer and exporter of military aircraft.
Following the £8 billion agreement for Türkiye to buy 20 British-built Typhoons, Shadow Defence Secretary James Cartlidge asked whether the RAF would receive replacement jets for the 30 tranche 1 aircraft that have been retired. “Does the Minister plan to order any further Typhoons for the RAF to replace those, and if so, when?” he said.
Cartlidge also pressed for clarity on key upgrades for the existing fleet, including the long-delayed E-Scan radar and associated phase 4 enhancement (P4E) package. “E-Scan radar for the RAF’s Typhoons, which is led by Leonardo in Edinburgh, has been successfully developed, but no production orders have been placed,” he told the House.
“When will E-Scan radar be in service for the RAF? The Typhoon needs an associated electronics upgrade known as P4E to fully exploit the capabilities of E-Scan radar, but I understand that no contract for that has been placed yet either.”
Andrew Snowden, the MP for Fylde, whose constituency includes BAE Systems’ Warton plant, said the Turkish deal would sustain thousands of jobs but highlighted the irony of Britain selling aircraft it no longer buys. “We are now the only major partner in the Eurofighter project that is not ordering the aircraft that we are trying to sell to other countries,” he said. “We are trying to sell aircraft abroad that we are not buying ourselves.”
Snowden urged ministers to place a domestic order, arguing it would strengthen export prospects and preserve the UK’s sovereign design and production capability. “It would be a great aid to future export deals… and would continue to boost our sovereign capability in military aircraft and maintain jobs across our country if we placed that order for more Typhoons for the RAF,” he said.
Defence Minister Luke Pollard responded:
“The hon. Gentleman will know that all our spending announcements will be made as part of the defence investment plan towards the end of this year. The radar he mentions is an incredible piece of technology, which is of benefit not only to the RAF, but to other Typhoon nations.
I gently point out to the hon. Gentleman that, since taking office just over a year ago, we have signed 1,000 major deals in the MOD. We continue to procure not just traditional aspects, but cyber, drones and other capabilities for our armed forces.
We will continue to work with our allies because the change we need in our armed forces is not just about renewing the kit and equipment for our forces, but about buying equipment alongside our allies, cutting research and development costs, increasing interoperability, moving towards interchangeability and strengthening our warfighting resilience.”
The debate followed the Prime Minister’s visit to Ankara, where the deal with President Erdoğan was finalised. Ministers have hailed it as “our biggest fighter jet export contract since 2007” and a demonstration that “defence is an engine for growth.”
The government says the contract will sustain 20,000 jobs across 330 British companies, including nearly 6,000 at BAE Systems sites in Lancashire, 1,100 at Rolls-Royce in Bristol, and over 800 at Leonardo in Edinburgh. However, with no current RAF order in place, MPs warned that the UK must match export success with investment in its own frontline capability if it is to retain credibility as a global defence manufacturer.












He didn’t say none will be ordered, but he did dance around the subject, here’s hoping they follow Germany and order more.
Just publish the DIP FFS. “Towards the end of the year” they say, well Um Derr, it is “The end of the year !
Eagle used to say “wait for the SDR.”
It’s just delaying tactics mate, maybe because as usual MoD probably don’t have the foggiest what money they can rely on before HMG/HMT pull the rug.
It keeps happening.
They’re not going to ask for even one more, I hope I’m wrong.
When Starmer announced the Increase earlier this year, he looked like he was in pain and about to burst into tears (tiers).
Have you got a bike ?
“The hon. Gentleman will know that all our spending announcements will be made as part of the defence investment plan towards the end of this year. ”
What is this? Some kind of pre-budget purdah, where Ministers refuse to answer questions until a particular report day? It’s not a tough question, lying in the minutiae of the figures. Are you planiing on ordering more Typhoons? It’s a yes, no, we haven’t decided type of question. Why the need to wait on the spreadsheets for that?
Parliament has to be allowed to hold the government to account and always being told to wait for the next report is not an acceptable response.
The RAF doesn’t want them, that’s why. They’d much prefer the shinier Lightnings.
Is waiting for new Lightnings worth it with its limited weapons fit? Isn’t a pragmatic new Typhoon order what’s needed right now? Why not some more radar upgrades? Is the RAF really saying this? Why are Germany, Italy and Spain ordering the latest iterations then? Why can’t there be both Typhoon and Lightning? Why not a few more P8s ams E7s to help track Russia’s new nuclear toys?
Sorry? Lots of questions, you don’t have to answer just a bit of a rant…
“I gently point out to the hon. Gentleman that, since taking office just over a year ago, we have signed 1,000 major deals in the MOD.”
And let me say that I await with bated breath the report that details these. Can anyone even hazard a guess at what the Minister for Defence Readiness and Industry is talking about? We all watch Defence pretty closely. Do any of these major deals have anything to do with buying kit for the UK military, and if so what?
In other words Pollard wants to support sales of the radar ideally without spending money on new RAF Typhoons.
Why not support more RAF radar upgrades too not just part of the fleet? Its like the same thinking only giving 60 of the 148 new CR3s their Trophy active protection kits. Do they not think that the other units may not need the same at some point and at very short notice? All this “Increased lethality” including defensive abilities is very “partial” in many places.
The planes we have retired and sold should be replaced with new Typhoons. We should keep up are aircraft numbers. We should order more F35 too. We are ordering some F35A for nuclear strike, but need more F35A for the FAA and RAF. The early batch of Typhoons ghat have been retired are lost numbers for the RAF and need urgent replacement. This would also cover the gap between now and the next F35 delivery.