UK intelligence officials have reported a correlation between alcohol consumption by troops and the high number of Russian casualties in the Ukraine war.

The Ministry of Defence provided an update stating that due to heavy drinking in Russian society, army commanders have come to accept this issue as a “part of military life.”

The UK Ministry of Defence’s latest intelligence update reveals that a noteworthy number of casualties resulted from non-combat causes.

“While Russia has suffered up to 200,000 casualties since its full-scale invasion of Ukraine, a significant minority of these have been due to non-combat causes. On 27 March 2023, a Russian Telegram news channel reported there have been ‘extremely high’ numbers of incidents, crimes, and deaths linked to alcohol consumption amongst the deployed Russian forces.

Other leading causes of non-combat casualties likely include poor weapon handing drills, road traffic accidents and climatic injuries such as hypothermia. Russian commanders likely identify pervasive alcohol abuse as particularly detrimental to combat effectiveness. However, with heavy drinking pervasive across much of Russian society, it has long been seen as a tacitly accepted part of military life, even on combat operations.”

Tom has spent the last 13 years working in the defence industry, specifically military and commercial shipbuilding. His work has taken him around Europe and the Far East, he is currently based in Scotland.
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Chris.
Chris.
1 year ago

In my opinion, It does not matter how they die! as long as they do.

George Parker
George Parker
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris.

Are you being serious Chris. Despite what many think (especially our politicians and journalists it seems) we are not at war with Russia. When that changes I’ll join you in the hate stakes, as it’s a matter of national loyalty and pride. But until then, it will remain an internal squabble between two closely related recovering communist states. Neither are NATO members with very little to separate them, in my opinion. Both nations have serious internal issues left over from their soviet past. That to include Putin’s and others very existance. We should be pushing hard for peace. Did you… Read more »

Jack
Jack
1 year ago
Reply to  George Parker

You don’t have to be a citizen of either country to take a side. I also celebrate the obliteration of Russian armour as they try to advance and capture more Ukrainian territory, committing atrocities on the unfortunates that fall into their clutches.

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George Parker
George Parker
1 year ago
Reply to  Jack

Jack, both sides in this conflict have been committing atrocities since 2014. Amnesty International and others have been reporting on it. Our journalists seem to have completely missed it, except one notable Channel 4 documentary. I’m afraid to say that kind of behaviour is in their nature. If we had endured what the people of that region have suffered for more than 100 years. (30 under Stalin.) We would probably be like that too. The extent to which marxism poisons the human mind must be experienced to be fully appreciated. This BBC timeline gives a rough overvue. It’s well worth… Read more »

Andrew Thorne
Andrew Thorne
1 year ago
Reply to  George Parker

George I’m with you on this one. I got absolutely berated below and insulated for merely suggesting we should be looking at brockering peace and also questioning the government and MSN narrative on the conflict. I’m with you on this we need to be thinking everytime about what is in the UK national interest. I made the point that EU and NATO expansion as well as US foreign involvement was always going to be a powder keg waiting to go off if we didn’t look at Russia responses to this expansion. Now those saying well tough Moscow should offer a… Read more »

Douglas Newell
Douglas Newell
1 year ago
Reply to  Chris.

stay classy, chris!

Andrew Thorne
Andrew Thorne
1 year ago

It’s really sad to see this war keep going. We really need to get the politicians around the table to end this death and destruction. People drink (to excess) to forget and clearly there are lot of Russian soldiers that do not want to be part of this war. If I could enact one law it would be for politicians to be given guns and let them shoot it out between one another before any soldier sets foot in a theatre of war. I’m no pacifist but this war in Europe is due to one maniac/psychopath in Russia but also… Read more »

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Andrew D
Andrew D
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Thorne

Good post

OldSchool
OldSchool
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Thorne

have to disagree a bit. Spending should go up but 2.5% is upper limit unless things get worse. Historically it didn’t matter what Churchill thought in the 1920s the Uk was in dire financial difficulties from WW1 and so defence had to be low – doubly so as both the public and parliament wanted it that way. Not until mid 1930s did attitudes start to change in that regard. Finally even if defence spending had been higher both recently and in the 1930’s or 20’s for that matter it is unlikely that Hitler would have altered his views and as… Read more »

Andrew Thorne
Andrew Thorne
1 year ago
Reply to  OldSchool

We could easily make it to 3% of GDP. Look at Croydon council….backrupt with £1.8Billion worth of debt because of poor spending decisions. The whole government needs an audit from top to bottom and any extraneous spending cut. I can’t think of a single law instituted since 22 November 1990 that has actually made the UK a better place. We need, as tax payers, to hold our politicians to greater account for wasted spending. Then we make these calls about going to 3% of GDP spending on defence. There is no good reason since 1990 that our government debt has… Read more »

Sean
Sean
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Thorne

“I can’t think of a single law instituted since 22 November 1990 that has actually made the UK a better place” Seriously?!?! From 1991 alone… • Census (Confidentiality) Act 1991 • War Crimes Act 1991 • Motor Vehicles (Safety Equipment for Children) Act 1991 • Football (Offences) Act 1991 • Children and Young Persons (Protection from Tobacco) Act 1991 • Property Misdescriptions Act 1991 • Smoke Detectors Act 1991 • Arms Control and Disarmament (Inspections) Act 1991 • Coal Mining Subsidence Act 1991 • Armed Forces Act 1991 • Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 Though you might disagree if you’re a… Read more »

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Andrew Thorne
Andrew Thorne
1 year ago
Reply to  Sean

LOL…you mentioned parochial laws that probably effect about less 1% of the population…Jesus is that all you could come up with…I rest my case… In terms of the financial crisis, first it was caused by Bill Clinton’s bank deregulation, which also had an impact through Blair and Brown’s reforms. This pair of morons also destroyed our pension system as well to boot. We should have saved depositors and let the financial investors and share holders suffer the hit. We didn’t and then we had quantitative easing which inflated asset prices affecting ordinary people. We should never have locked down under… Read more »

Sean
Sean
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Thorne

Not parochial laws but national legalisation. I take it you have no objection to your census data being revealed to everyone? And you don’t believe in inspections for arms control treaties? Those were just from 1990… I guess you’re a Remoaner too, as Brexit was achieved via legislation too… You’re obviously anti-NATO too as you don’t think the “Constitutional Reform and Governance Act 2010 (CRAG)” act was beneficial to the U.K. – it allowed for Finland and Sweden’s membership… That you think in 32 years not a single act beneficial to the U.K. as a whole has been passed just… Read more »

Andrew Thorne
Andrew Thorne
1 year ago
Reply to  Sean

Look up the Glass-Steagall Act and its repeal by Bill Clinton with similar reforms in the UK and the division between high street banking and investment banking blurred…This is a crucial factor at play as yes the sub-prime housing market debt was packaged up into financial instruments that were worthless and the credit swap defaults (akin to an insurance policy fo the lender) caused systemic problems in the wider investment market as multiple banks take advantage of crdit swap defaults. However, it was the banking reforms that were really the issue as this enabled depositors to be at risk if… Read more »

Sean
Sean
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Thorne

I’m fully au fait with the Glass–Steagall provisions of the United States Banking Act of 1933. That simply required the separation of investment banking from commercial/ retail banking. However this was not the cause of the crisis. It was the uncontrolled and unaccountable repackaging of debt into CDSs for resale that caused the issue. (It was analogous to the repackaging of risks for reinsurance in the Lloyds of London that saw Piper Alpha payouts spiral around the market eleven-fold and almost bankrupting – along with long-tail asbestos claims.) However even without this repeal all that might have been different is… Read more »

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Andre Thorne
Andre Thorne
1 year ago
Reply to  Sean

You do have problems reading my posts don’t you Sean… This is a crucial factor at play as yes the sub-prime housing market debt was packaged up into financial instruments that were worthless and the credit swap defaults (akin to an insurance policy fo the lender) caused systemic problems in the wider investment market as multiple banks take advantage of crdit swap defaults. However, it was the banking reforms that were really the issue as this enabled depositors to be at risk  try and read properly next time my friend or you end up looking like an idiot yourself,,,,again I… Read more »

Sean
Sean
1 year ago
Reply to  Andre Thorne

Wrong, wrong, wrong. It was never about depositors being at risk, both the Fed and BoE guarantee depositors. The risk was the collapse of the investment banks, which invested for corporations, pension funds, etc. the failure of these, is what caused the financial crisis. Whether these were retail banks or not made ZERO difference. But hey what do I know, I only worked in international finance for a decade before being head-hunted into the tech sector. A thesis is a presentation of learned and existing information. All you are presenting is senile ramblings in a hilariously incompetent attempt to annoy… Read more »

Andrew Thorne
Andrew Thorne
1 year ago
Reply to  Sean

Wrong again Sean…however I loved it that I did annoy you now or why else post back to me….your mother obviously saw you as the runt of the litter…

Sean
Sean
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Thorne

Yeah I soooooo annoyed by pompous attempts at insights into my character 😆

You’re correct I had a mother, yours no doubt disowned you long ago for being so embarrassing.

Anyway, unlike yourself I have a responsible job to do tomorrow so this will be my last posting tonight.
Try not to piss your bed again, it’ll annoy your carers.

Airborne
Airborne
11 months ago
Reply to  Sean

Boom! 😂

Airborne
Airborne
11 months ago
Reply to  Andrew Thorne

To be fair you state parochial laws, and Sean, has (for example) stated the smoke detector act 1991, that alone legally affects 100% of the population. Ignore my possible ignorance but how is that a parochial law which affects just 1% of the population? He stated other laws which in fact impact the majority? Cheers!

Jonathan
Jonathan
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Thorne

The problem is Andrew, I’d you actually left it to the British taxpayer we would probably end up with a few patrol boats and frigates, a limited airforce to secure British airspace and an army just enough to provide minimal input to NATO. AKA Germany. All the polling shows the public apart from a minority and people connected to the military have very little interest in defence spending..what matters to them are the bits that affect their daily lives…pot holes, poor schools, not being able to see a GP, gas and electric costing a fortune…these are what people really care.it’s… Read more »

Andrew Thorne
Andrew Thorne
1 year ago
Reply to  Jonathan

I’ve got sympathy for what you say, I would point out though that the politicians bever make the arguments properly to the general public. Also we don’t really teach critical thinking in the UK…we seem to focus more on other topics in schools…however, I shan’t go there as it would get me in hot water if I did…I would say this though we should really be asking about value for money in public service…the NHS and other services always seem to want more money but we don’t question how they spend the current sums they get. I would go back… Read more »

George Parker
George Parker
1 year ago
Reply to  OldSchool

In the 1920’s we were very much Great Britain, not the “UK.” Therein lies most of our problem, a loss of self respect, self belief and cultural integrity. When it comes to Putin/Russian Federation it’s NATO and the EU they are “put off by.” Both militarily and economically. Had NATO maintained it’s cold war military, the defeated USSR would have had no choice but to accept it’s fate. Especially if we had kept promises and reassurances about spreading east. Things would have unfolded very differently with dangerous men such as Putin, behind bars. The best outcome for all concerned, would… Read more »

Sean
Sean
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Thorne

“CIA backed coup in Ukraine”

Afraid you’ve fallen for Russian propaganda there.

Andrew Thorne
Andrew Thorne
1 year ago
Reply to  Sean

If you had read my balanced post you will see I’m not a Russian stodge..I question things. The LA times had an excellent op-ed (with facts) that the CIA has been involved in Ukraine since the 1950s: https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-02-25/ukraine-cia-insurgents-russia-invasion Peter Hitchens has excellent posts on Ukraine (and the involvement of the CIA) and Peter is an expert in Eastern European politics (he lived in Russia for some time and has visited and stayed in Ukraine many times as well). My personally beliefs are that I don’t want this escallating into a nuclear war on our doorstep (not the American’s) and I… Read more »

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Tim
Tim
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Thorne

Sorry but Peter hitchings isn’t a expert is a sour old man who wants the world to be something it isn’t he’s a intelligent man but his answer to Ukraine is to give Russia what it wants and hope it doesn’t come back for more once it’s rebuilt it’s military and the so called coup in Ukraine happened decades ago when Russia had control of the country the thrown out president was only elected because he said he would move closer to the west he went back on that and was thrown out new election elected a new government Russia… Read more »

Sean
Sean
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Thorne

Nothing balanced in your post. You totally misrepresent what is in the article in the LA Times. The CIA has NOT been involved with Ukraine since the 1950’s as you claim. • The article reports that in the 1950’s when Ukraine was part of the USSR, the CIA backed an insurgency there. An insurgency against communism that collapsed. • The article says that the CIA has been training insurgents since Russia invaded since 2914. You disingenuously try and portray this as a continuous interference since the 1950’s. The British Army has been training Ukranians to fight since 2014, through Operation… Read more »

Andrew Thorne
Andrew Thorne
1 year ago
Reply to  Sean

So interesting that you parrott out precisely what you hear through most of the MSN. I like to question things and when the stakes of this high I don’t just believe what our government tells us….Iraq (weapons of mass destruction), Afghanistan (no we won’t be there long)…Libya (we are defending innocent people and this can be a democratic country again). Syria..the list is endless my friend….no I’m not a conspiracy theorist but likewise I’m not just going along with the consensus view. Peter Hitchens is an intelligent, thoughtful man who knows much more than you and I do about Russia… Read more »

Sean
Sean
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Thorne

Good so see that you’d didn’t try to deny or defend that you’d been found out dishonestly misrepresenting what was printed in the LA Tines article you quote. It’s also hilarious that for all your decrying what appears in the MSN, you lead your original post with a reference to the LA Times, which is MSN. Which is it, hypocrisy or cognitive dissonance on your part? What you fail to comprehend is that there is no huge global conspiracy dictating what every journalist should right about every story. I agree with opinions in some newspapers, and disagree with others. I… Read more »

farouk
farouk
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Thorne

Andrew Thorne wrote: “”If you had read my balanced post you will see I’m not a Russian stodge. I question things. The LA times had an excellent op-ed (with facts) that the CIA has been involved in Ukraine since the 1950s:””   Hello Andrew, my name is farouk, its an Egyptian Arabic name and it means: “discerning truth from falsehood”. Which I would like to believe is part of my makeup. So just like you, I like to question things. So that LA Times article you linked into has as its very first two paragraph the following:   “”Russia invaded… Read more »

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
1 year ago
Reply to  farouk

The CIA has a presence in nearly every country’s around the world.

Sean
Sean
1 year ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

They’re called embassies. Pretty sure the same can be said of MI6 and FSB presence at their respective embassies 🤷🏻‍♂️

Andrew Thorne
Andrew Thorne
1 year ago
Reply to  farouk

Farouk my friend…how do you assume I’m anti-American just because I question the narrative about the War. We’ve been here before: Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq (dodgy dossier), Afghanistan (no we will not be there long just in and out to get AQ), Libyan (we are defending innocent civilians and this won’t impact upon Europe), Syria (now this won’t be us supporting Islamic insurgents). Heard it all before and total garbage most of it. I want to see the other side of the story. What do we know about the leadership in Ukraine about from the story the government… Read more »

farouk
farouk
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Thorne

Andrew Thorne wrote: “”Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq”” What people tend to overlook when they make that statement, is that: 1)    Saddam did have a program prior to 1991 2)    After 1991 he played silly buggers with UN t inspection teams which lead credence that he was hiding something 3)    Time and time again between 1991 and 2003 he hinted along the lines he still had something hidden away 4)    After he was captured, Saddam is on record of stating to FBI integrator George Piro he encouraged the perception that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (WMD) because he was afraid of appearing… Read more »

Andrew Thorne
Andrew Thorne
1 year ago
Reply to  farouk

and David Kelly debunked all of this before in his evidence. I’m afraid George Bush and Tony Blair were too close. Alistair Campbell sexed up the document and sold us all a lie. I for one didn’t get sucked in by that and was one of very few protestors against the Iraq war. We need to question the motives of our elite more and not jave one narrative which is the one they want to sell to us. That being said yes the Ukrainians have suffered immensely from an illegal invasion from a Maniac/sociopath/psycopath. However, questioning the current Ukrainian governement,… Read more »

Sean
Sean
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Thorne

“I for one didn’t get sucked in by that and was one of very few protestors against the Iraq war.”

I see you like to re-write history too. On the 15 February 2003 protest march the police estimated 750k and the BBC a million in attendance. Hardly “very few”… 😆

Just about everything you write can be debunked with facts. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Andrew Thorne
Andrew Thorne
1 year ago
Reply to  Sean

We had a population of nearly 60 million at the time Sean. 1% is a small number…but you can read whatever you want into that…

Sean
Sean
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Thorne

You didn’t say “proportionally a few” you said “a few”.

But then I’ve already shown you’re disingenuous, dishonest, and a fruitcake, so not knowing the difference between relative and absolute figures is hardly your greatest fault 🤷🏻‍♂️

farouk
farouk
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Thorne

Andrew Thomas wrote: “”Now can we please have a reasoned debate without recourse to saying I’m anti-American – it makes me think that you aren’t balanced and your normal posts are very good usually”” I based that statement on the following snippets from your recent posts: 1)     I made the point that EU and NATO expansion as well as US foreign involvement was always going to be a powder keg waiting to go off 2)    plus also a stupid expansion of the EU into the former eastern bloc backed by America and with a CIA backed coup in Ukraine 3)    …all subsequent wars… Read more »

Jonathan
Jonathan
1 year ago
Reply to  farouk

You missed the final point in the he had a history of actually deploying weapons of mass destruction against civilian populations and military and used them around 14 times killing many 10s of thousands of people. Infact he was the most prolific user of chemical weapons since WW1. One thing you can say about Iran…even after constant chemical weapons attacks against its killing many 10s thousands of Iranian they never did strike back with a weapon of mass destruction themselves.

Andrew Thorne
Andrew Thorne
1 year ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Jonathan…this may sound awful but it was his own people here not ours if his people want democracy it’s up to them to do it and fight for it and not us or our young working class men..You think we are good at building democracies in Islamic countries…look at our record…Iraq, Iran (CIA/MI6 coup 1953), Syria, Libya, Afghanistan. How do you think these despots get into power in the first place? The ascent of Saddam was supported by the US as he was a good guy to keep the Iranians busy with a war that cost countless lives and also… Read more »

Airborne
Airborne
11 months ago
Reply to  Andrew Thorne

In regard to what side of the fence we are, Hitchens isn’t a fair and neutral commentator as for instance, he opposes gay marriage! That in itself smacks of intolerance and an agenda which is directed by either religion or a personal issue. Delve a little deeper and things aren’t fair or rosey! Cheers.

Jack
Jack
1 year ago
Reply to  Sean

Don’t be so naive. Read/watch some American MSM who have reported it.

Sean
Sean
1 year ago
Reply to  Jack

You mean like Fox News?
No thanks, I’ll stick to credible news reporting agencies and not fantasists.

Andrew Thorne
Andrew Thorne
1 year ago
Reply to  Sean

What the BBC….come on it’s not exactly the bastion of balance these days…Jesus they have that guy who munches crisps and avoids tax reading the news these days 😉

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Sean
Sean
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Thorne

I wouldn’t know, as Ive previously said I haven’t watched terrestrial tv in over 20 years…

However it is more likely to suffer from group think from recruiting like-minded individuals than the deliberate falsification of news that has been shown at Fox News by the Dominion trial. Tell me, as a Fox News watcher, how does it feel now knowing that the presenters there think you’re an idiot?

Andre Thorne
Andre Thorne
1 year ago
Reply to  Sean

Sean you love your insults don’t you. I don’t need to resort to insults…maybe a deep seated inferiority complex for some reason. When you insult people you loose the argument immediately in most peoples eyes. I don’t know what goes on in your mind but you seem to leap to conclusions about who I am…anti-Brexit (no I voted for it)…watch Fox News (no I don’t watch much TV as i prefer reading)…any other conclusions you want to jump to…if you can’t have a civilised debate then don’t have one. I think there is a deep seated need for you to… Read more »

Sean
Sean
1 year ago
Reply to  Andre Thorne

Look like a duck, quack like a duck, waddle like a duck, don’t complain come duck hunting season. Given what I’ve achieved in life so many areas of life, I’d have to aspire to be another Steve Jobs, or Steven Hawking to have an inferiority complex. Seems your understanding of psychology is as bad as your understanding of finance, pandemics, modern warfare, climate-change, etc, etc. Gosh you still don’t get it, how stupid are you? • You are pro Brexit • You don’t think any beneficial legislation has been passed since 1990 How on earth do you think Brexit was… Read more »

Andrew Thorne
Andrew Thorne
1 year ago
Reply to  Sean

I think you have proved my point. I do pity you Sean trapped in the past with your absent father and disappointed mother….you have my sympathies and my understanding. I hope you get the help you need

Sean
Sean
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Thorne

I proved you’re a pompous idiot, though I must admit that you gave me a huge amount of help 😆

Only thing absent is any sign of intelligence on your part. Every single description you assign to me is completely and utterly wrong. I can see why you’ve been so gullible in falling for so many conspiracy theories. Given 1 plus 1 you get 86 and 3/4s…

farouk
farouk
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Thorne

Andrew Thorne wrote: “”plus also a stupid expansion of the EU into the former eastern bloc backed by America and with a CIA backed coup in Ukraine”” In 2014 (and for the next 3 years) , I was part of an officer training team which held induction  training weekends for potential officers, OTC candidates and for the old and bold who had earned a commission.  So one of the elements required for future officers was a good grounding in current affairs and after the events of 2014 inside the Ukraine, we added what was happening there to our syllabus. For… Read more »

Andrew Thorne
Andrew Thorne
1 year ago
Reply to  farouk

For someone involved in an officer training team you missed out one critical factor from the above. What is the perception of Moscow when the European union expands through the former Eastern block (and with those countries seeking NATO ascension). Now you may say well tough on Moscow they should up their game economically and offer a better deal than the West or NATO. However, anyone looking from this from a geopolitical perspective would reason that this would make the Russian’s nervous and cause a backlash. Now I’m all for freedom of association and in an ideal world we would… Read more »

farouk
farouk
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Thorne

Andrew Thorne wrote: “”What is the perception of Moscow when the European union expands through the former Eastern block (and with those countries seeking NATO ascension).””   I see a lot of people who play that card in which to excuse Russia’s so-called concerns towards the West (read NATO and EU) and thus by default legitimise its invasion of the Ukraine by painting Moscow as the victim. But the people who say that never ever mention the concerns of former USSR countries, such as Hungary, Czechoslovakia and the Baltics who have all felt the wrath of Moscow after they expressed… Read more »

Andrew Thorne
Andrew Thorne
1 year ago
Reply to  farouk

How would America respond if Mexico and Cuba became part of the Russia orbit. Oh we know how in terms of Cuba…the Cuban missile crisis…..this is real politick not ethics. In terms of ethics I agree in terms of geopolitical real politick I would argue I’m right.

farouk
farouk
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Thorne

How would America respond if Mexico and Cuba became part of the Russia orbit. Oh we know how in terms of Cuba…the Cuban missile crisis…. This a common trope banded around time and time again in which to excuse Moscow’s fears. Basically what people are saying is how would the US react if Moscow based Nukes next door to the contiguous United States. But here is where that premise fails. In 1962, the longest ranged Russian Ballistic missile at the time the R-12 Dvina (as was deployed to Cuba) had a max range at the time of 932 miles in… Read more »

Andre Thorne
Andre Thorne
1 year ago
Reply to  farouk

Unfortunately Farouk you get key elements missing but nice try. Don’t forget the Cuba missile middle crisis was preceded by US missiles based in Italy and Turkey as well as the Bay of Pigs CIA operation. It’s understandable as you use the usual trope that the USSR was the aggressor when the US was..I’m a supporter of UK US ties but servitude in helping the US destabilise regions for own political ends. Our interests come first with me…you approach leads to disasters like Iraq and Afghanistan which is why the military should be confined to military strategy and not geopolitics.

farouk
farouk
1 year ago
Reply to  Andre Thorne

Andrew or Andre wrote:

“”Unfortunately Farouk you get key elements missing but nice try. Don’t forget the Cuba missile middle crisis was preceded by US missiles based in Italy and Turkey “”

From that post of mine you replied to:
“” in contrast the US had missiles based in the Uk, Italy and Turkey which had a range of 1500 miles. So the only way Moscow could achieve parity with the US regards a missile based nuke was by basing them in Cuba””



Andre Thorne
Andre Thorne
1 year ago
Reply to  farouk

We also have the Bay of Pigs. I think you misread my original statement in that you thought I was talking about ethics. This is understandable as the military are taught ethics and strategy. The geopolitics is left to the politicians but they are sadly lacking in this regard with posturing and strutting whilst we inch closer to a Cuba missile crisis moment.

farouk
farouk
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Thorne

Andrew Thorne wrote: “”Now you may say well tough on Moscow they should up their game economically and offer a better deal than the West or NATO”” I’m pretty sure, that rarely have I gone off the reservation and disparaged Russia in any form of infantile manner. If anything, you will find I berate the Uk gov (and MOD) far more. I’ll admit I have questioned dubious military Russian operations and have even questioned John in Milton Keynes regards some of his posts, but I’d like to think I have remained civil, seeing as I feel the best way to communicate… Read more »

George Parker
George Parker
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Thorne

Well said. I almost totally agreed. I’d have the absolute minimum of GDP spent on defence as 6-7%, more in the years recovering from the delusional peace dividend. The £15 billion per annum wasted on the overseas aid budget would be a nice immediate addition to the military coffers. There are so many things wrong currently that sadly, money will not solve them all. But it will help.

Andrew Thorne
Andrew Thorne
1 year ago
Reply to  George Parker

You have a supporter in me there…Overseas aid…what a waste…anything Andrew Mitchell supports you automatically know it is wrong and should be stopped… The issue with many of these upper middle class twits that support overseas aid, military intervention and asylum is that they think all us “plebs” are brainless and should be treated with contempt and only their views are worth listening to on these matters…The Tory party party has taken on too many left wing liberal nuts and is now sinking under the mass of its own contradictions…role on the election when many lower middle class and working… Read more »

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Sean
Sean
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Thorne

And we all know why you really hate Andrew Mitchell…

Conspiracy theorists all blame him for alerting opposition MPs the other week that Andrew Bridgen was about to make another of his ridiculous speeches about Corvid-19. As a result, Bridgen was left making his unfounded claims to an empty chamber 😆

Andre Thorne
Andre Thorne
1 year ago
Reply to  Sean

There you go jumping to conclusions again…bet you still wear your mask even now…

no I dislike Andrew as he is arrogant…rude…and isn’t aware of his own intellectual failures much like yourself…

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Sean
Sean
1 year ago
Reply to  Andre Thorne

Of course I don’t wear a mask now, the medical advice is that it’s not necessary. But then I listen to those who are experts in their particular fields whereas you are clearly too pompous too.

You mean he doesn’t believe in the conspiracy theories that you do.

My intellectual failures? Hmm, never got to grasp with foreign languages I must admit. But otherwise 10 O-Levels, 6 A-Levels, and a degree in Computer Science from a Russel Group University isn’t so bad.

Airborne
Airborne
11 months ago
Reply to  Sean

Put him down Sean there’s a good boy, good boy! He’s had enough and needs to limp off to reassess his OSINT 😂👍!

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Thorne

The problem with that idea is that Putin was a trained KGB agent. Even though he is a little pig eyed weasel he would still kick the butt of sleepy Joe Bidden or fat alcohol and cheese swilling Boris or tiny dweeb Sunak and don’t even get me started on ankle bitter Macron. Lord Ashdown (ex SAS) would probably give Putin a kicking.

Ian M.
Ian M.
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

Hi Mr Bell, Paddy Ashdown was in fact SBS and RM.
cheers

Airborne
Airborne
11 months ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

Paddy was SB mate, so not quite the best lol 😂👍

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
1 year ago

Sadly a lot of Russian troops will be turning to alcohol as they all must be acutely aware of their huge casualties, lack of a strategy, forlorn hope of a victory and worn out antiquated equipment. Mad Vlad the Impaler and all his cronies need to go. Then Russia can re-integrate with the civilised world and develop into a country the Russian people hope for. It is however going to take a revolution, something I’m not sure the peasantry in Russia are capable of. Any planning for a revolution would be crushed immediately by the FSB. That only leaves someone… Read more »

farouk
farouk
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

Mr Bell wrote: “”Sadly a lot of Russian troops will be turning to alcohol as they all must be acutely aware of their huge casualties,””  Eastern Europe (especially the Baltics) does have something of an alcohol problem, but Russia has it worse and there are many reports (going back to the 1980s) which shines a very bright light on alcoholism inside the Russian military.   That said the Uk had its problems, my first posting was to 24 field Sqn based in Chatham, which was where BAOR sent its sappers for treatment for.. alcoholism. As a 19 year old Sapper… Read more »

John Hartley
John Hartley
1 year ago

Perhaps we should be sending Whisky to Ukraine? Their special forces could leave cases of Whisky where the fed up Russian conscripts could find them. If they are too p*ssed to fight Ukraine, it is a result.

Tim
Tim
1 year ago
Reply to  John Hartley

That tactic was used in Rhodesia but with poisoned beer I believe

Sean
Sean
1 year ago
Reply to  John Hartley

Whisky? Methylated spirits would be cheaper, have a quicker impact on Russian troop numbers, and they also have a history of drinking it 🤷🏻‍♂️

Bulkhead
Bulkhead
1 year ago

Well I drink to that 😎

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
1 year ago

It’s a problem having substance abuse issues with serving soldiers.
Some of those Russian troops could of been deployed for over a year now.
A lot of Wagner’s prison manpower must be getting to the end of 6 month contract shortly. What a delight for the Russian population back home to deal with.

farouk
farouk
1 year ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

Monkey Spanker wrote:
“”A lot of Wagner’s prison manpower must be getting to the end of 6 month contract shortly. “”

Been a number of tic tok videos showing some of them getting Hammered.

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Sean
Sean
1 year ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

Already a case of a Wagner prison recruit returning home and committing another murder (that’s what he was in for).
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/03/31/europe/wagner-convict-fighter-detained-after-return-intl/index.html

Last edited 1 year ago by Sean
Jonathan
Jonathan
1 year ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

It’s as much about Russian culture as anything, they have always had a massive public health issue with alcohol related deaths…it was actually a pretty major contributor to reduced life expectancy in Russia.

Simon
Simon
11 months ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Russian male life expectancy was down to about 55 in the late 1990’s. and as you say a huge part of it is down to drink

David Owen
David Owen
1 year ago

People are talking about peace ,it can only happen when putin is gone and his corrupt cronies, until then KEEP FIGHTING SLAVA UKRAINE 🇺🇦, any chinese deal throw it out the window, don’t roll over

Zach
Zach
1 year ago

If I were in their shoes I’d be drunk too. Torn from my family and friends and forced into a war I’m neither trained nor equipped to win.

Airborne
Airborne
11 months ago

None story, average Russian first drink at 7, regular drinker by 12, drunken sexiest at 19, regular drunken wife beater at 26, murdering nonce by 30, recruitment by Wagner at 35……job done, released by 36 (if survive) continue previous lifestyle!

Frank62
Frank62
11 months ago

With Russian leadership I’d think heavy drinking is about the only way to live as a Russian Orc. Being fed hideously callously into the meat grinder for the little man at the top’s ego & colonial ambitions & unable to speak freely about it without heavies bearing down on you at home.