Russia is running short of more modern missiles while Ukrainian air defences still deter Russian tactical aircraft from conducting strikes across much of the country.

According to an intelligence update from the UK Ministry of Defence:

“As of 10 June, Russian forces around Sieverodonetsk have not made advances into the south of the city. Intense street to street fighting is ongoing and both sides are likely suffering high numbers of casualties.

Russia is massing fires with its artillery and air capabilities, in an attempt to overwhelm Ukrainian defences.

Since April, Russian medium bombers have likely launched dozens of 1960s era Kh-22 (NATO designation, AS-4 KITCHEN) air-launched, heavy anti-ship missiles against land targets. These 5.5 tonne missiles were primarily designed to destroy aircraft carriers using a nuclear warhead. When employed in a ground attack role with a conventional warhead they are highly inaccurate and can therefore cause significant collateral damage and civilian casualties.

Russia is likely resorting to such inefficient weapon systems because it is running short of more precise modern missiles, while Ukrainian air defences still deter its tactical aircraft from conducting strikes across much of the country.”

George has a degree in Cyber Security from Glasgow Caledonian University and has a keen interest in naval and cyber security matters and has appeared on national radio and television to discuss current events. He also works for the NHS. George is on Twitter at @geoallison
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ChariotRider
ChariotRider
23 days ago

If this is indeed the case then the Russian’s will struggle to achieve even their limited objectives given that the West is [slowly?] delivering longer range artillery to the Ukrainian Army.

I hope that the UK and US deliver more than the current promised numbers of MLRS (3) and HIMARS (4) and may be we can get some HIMARS into the Royal Artillery to replace the MLRS, especially as the cost is susposed to come from the national contingency fund rather than the Defence Budget.

We can hope…

Cheers CR

Sean
Sean
23 days ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

Russia is depleting its stockpile of weapons and munitions while Ukraine’s is increasing. But Russia began with a far larger stockpile, and the one thing that can’t be replaced is Ukrainian servicemen. So it’s unclear over time how a war of attrition will go.

I think the US is hoping that with the U.K. donating 3 MLRS to Ukraine, this will encourage donations from the 13 other operators. If that doesn’t happen, then yes we should donating far more – entire lot if need be. Russia needs to be pushed back to pre-2014 borders and the authoritarian regime toppled.

Last edited 23 days ago by Sean
Marked
Marked
22 days ago
Reply to  Sean

Ukraines is not increasing, at the moment they are running out of ammo! So much for western support.

David
David
22 days ago
Reply to  Marked

Let’s be perfectly clear, if it wasn’t for Western support Ukraine would have been overrun in a week. I’m sure President Zelensky himself would agree. There have been plenty of stories from Ukrainian soldiers that their Soviet-era RPGs just bounced off the Russians tanks; after they got NLAWs, one Ukrainian colonel was quoted as saying now Russian tanks “burn beautifully”. Ukrainian soldiers have also been seen singing ‘God Save the Queen’ after firing a NLAW. The real issue is how long the West will continue this level of support. Talk is cheap but let’s give the West the benefit of… Read more »

Jonathan
Jonathan
22 days ago
Reply to  David

I think the question is not just how long will the west continue to support Ukraine at this level it’s Also how long can the west support at this level. The reality is European nations including the U.K. are not know for holding war stocks to supply what is now essentially a war of attrition.

Russias armed forces literally warehouse everything they have ever had issues, it does mean that they may end up using old munitions and armour but it will still grind Ukriane down.

Quentin D63
Quentin D63
22 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Yes, it’s a battle of supply chains, logistics and the will to fight! Ukraine needs the West’s continuous support and hopefully the West will see this conflict through. It’s putting NATO, EU, UN and the “old World Order” credibility on the line every day.

DJ
DJ
22 days ago
Reply to  Quentin D63

Another problem not always appreciated is that NATO standard ammunition is not compatible with Ukrainian standard weapons, which uses SOVIET standard ammunition. That Ukrainian soldier on the front line down to his last few rounds likely isn’t after NATO 5.6mm ammo. While many former satellite states still have such weapons & production facilities, most of the big players (with massive production capability) don’t (or rather it’s limited, mainly to train against). These former satellite states have been converting to NATO standard as they are all now mostly NATO members. So this ability has been winding down for years. Any NATO… Read more »

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
22 days ago
Reply to  David

Hopefully the NLAW production plant at Belfast is working at full capacity 24/7 to replenish the weapons weve already donated. If replenishment is ongoing then why not donate thousands more NLAW to Ukraine?

John Hartley
John Hartley
21 days ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

The US military did not order new Stingers for many years, as they did not face an air threat. They have sent many Stingers to Ukraine, & the makers warn it could take a while to get mass production going again.

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
20 days ago
Reply to  John Hartley

Maybe they could use starstreak. Really these weapons with long lead times need to see what can be done to speed it up

Steve
Steve
21 days ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

I wonder if they are or not. If the UK has placed an order for new missiles the contract should have been declared, but I haven’t heard of any such contract. The government might be keeping it quiet as they have a history of not publishing them, but you would expect the reverse as it would be a nice media story if we were getting more made.

Martin
Martin
22 days ago
Reply to  Sean

The big question will be does Russia run out of missiles before Ukraine runs out of toilets. Only time will tell.

Quentin D63
Quentin D63
22 days ago
Reply to  Martin

And will China, Iran and others re-supply Russia with new equipment on the quiet?

Martin
Martin
22 days ago
Reply to  Quentin D63

Not sure China or Iran has sufficient stock piles or production of long range cruise and precision ballistic missiles to give much to the Russian. It will be obvious that they have done it and they risk sanctions. China won’t want to share anything advanced with Russia as well so they can’t rip it off.

Quentin D63
Quentin D63
22 days ago
Reply to  Martin

Yes there’s the risk of sanctions but I wouldn’t be surprised with some exchange of stuff and tech between these three for mutual benifit. How come their tech levels are forever on the increase? Where is that coming from? Is all their tech home grown?

Martin
Martin
22 days ago
Reply to  Quentin D63

I think in part it’s an overestimation of their tech and under estimate of ours. It’s also easier to play catch up that truly innovate. Remember in 1991 when we thought those Soviet tanks and integrated air defences in Iraq posed a significant threat and we cut through them like butter. For all their apparent capability china lacks the capability to manufacture ball point pens and Russia can’t make much beyond a simple circuit.should we believe on face value they make weapons beyond the capability of Europe or the US.

Steve
Steve
21 days ago
Reply to  Martin

Not entirely true, British jets needed to be escorted by US electronic warfare jets as they were too exposed without them. The Iraq air defence was a real threat, the west just had a counter in the growler.

JohninMK
JohninMK
21 days ago
Reply to  Steve

Just as the Russians have been finding the Ukrainian AD a real threat.

Chris
Chris
19 days ago
Reply to  Martin

China won’t want to share anything advanced with Russia as well so they can’t rip it off.”

The irony! 😂

JHC
JHC
22 days ago
Reply to  Sean

Russia stockpiled likely more ammunition than all of europes supply combined, its got all of its soviet ammunition still. They are really going to struggle to replace those precision weapons though, they have been low on supply for at least 1-2months as far as we know. ukraine really isnt gaining weapon systems its not even close to replacing what they are losing.

Sean
Sean
22 days ago
Reply to  JHC

Most of that Russian stockpile of munitions will date back decades. But they once they run out if their in country stocks of processors etc, they won’t be able to manufacture any more precision weapons. It’ll be interesting to see if they can source precision weapons from China, I suspect not. Ukraine is gaining weapons systems, on paper. It takes time, especially if there has to be out of country training to be done on it. Some items, such as tanks, they have more than one they started the war, but what they need more are artillery and aircraft. Obviously… Read more »

JohninMK
JohninMK
22 days ago
Reply to  Sean

Russia does manufacture processors themselves, definitely not the latest speeds but probably adequate for weapon use. Plus they can buy commodity western processors on the grey market.

David Barry
David Barry
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

I think The Econmist ran an article on this along the lines of good for toasters kettles, not much else.

Will the Orcs get used to “brewing up?”

Mike The Limey
Mike The Limey
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Their car manufacturers can’t even get the processors needed for ABS & airbags, so what chance Russia obtaining those needed for PGMs?

Sean
Sean
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Russians processors are a joke, certainly not up to precision weaponry.

There’s zero grey market for Western processors because they are in such short supply. Plus a lot of the fab plant production is being bought up for Arm production, which is not used in Russian weapons.

Martin
Martin
22 days ago
Reply to  Sean

The grey market is largely coming out of dishwashers and washing machines. The US was running TLAM back in the late 1970’s. Basic precision weaponry like this is not particularly sophisticated compared to modern micro processors.

Sean
Sean
22 days ago
Reply to  Martin

(a) that explains why so many retreating Russian tanks seem to be covered with dishwashers and washing machines
(b) you do know that TLAMs have been updated since the 1970s right?
Take a modern car, reduce the number of processors in it to that of a Model T – or even a car built 30 years ago – and see how well it works.

JohninMK
JohninMK
21 days ago
Reply to  Sean

I’m sorry but that comment shows how little you know of computer technology. The real drive for greater packing density i.e. lower nm, has been the need to reduce space and power consumption, not raw computing power. Mainly to increase the features of the computer in your pocket otherwise known as a phone.. We were designing high speed modems back in the late 80s using the M56000, it and the M68000 are likely to have have sufficient performance to drive any modern weapon, they were just quite large, non BGA (that’s Ball Grid array) so needed space and were power… Read more »

Sean
Sean
21 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Degree in Computer Science, MBCS, and working for one of the worlds leading product design consultancies – so you’re about as correct as you were about Putin not invading Ukraine. Yes we could even go back to using the primitive technology used in the 60’s on the Apollo missions. It seems to have been more accurate than the precision missiles Russia currently uses. But while it might be able to fly from A to B it won’t be able to do the volume of complex calculations and flight-adjustments for the best terrain following possible. As usually it’s not a case… Read more »

Airborne
Airborne
20 days ago
Reply to  Sean

Boom, Sean shoots and scores and we have a troll down, troll down 😂👍!

Sean
Sean
20 days ago
Reply to  Airborne

Ah you’re too kind. To be honest it was an open goal so big that even a Russian precision weapon could probably have hit it 😏

Airborne
Airborne
20 days ago
Reply to  Sean

😂👍🍍🍆🥕🥖🍡🍢🍼🎤🚀🗼🕯💊! Just thought I’d include a selection of Putins new “vengeance weapons”, all some of the most dangerous, capable, double hyper dyper sonic, multiple re-entry special operation missiles! Agreed some may not look like missiles, but these can be launched from beloved and greatest Russian soil and destroy the decadent and evil west in 2.3 seconds, using the most advanced ex washing machine circuit boards cleverly designed as modern state of the art tech…..honestkvie guvniski!

Sean
Sean
20 days ago
Reply to  Airborne

Shush! 🤫 Your reference to “vengeance weapons” will probably have Putsey scouring Great Patriot War Museums for Doodlebugs and V2 exhibits to press into service 😆

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
20 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Your right it doesn’t take a lot computer tech to get from one point to another, most of Russia’s modern weapons are warmed over soviet plans anyway. Russia also doesn’t use precision weapons like the the west has previously. While they are perhaps handy to have some to hit storage facilities etc normal artillery seems to be Russia’s preferred method. What may become an issue is the rockets that out range russian artillery. If Ukraine can pinpoint and target 1 rocket from MLRS should hit the target. The few launchers that have been donated are probably not enough to make… Read more »

Airborne
Airborne
20 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Oh Sean has now laid you out just like Farouk does on a regular basis.

Ian
Ian
21 days ago
Reply to  Sean

Even if refrigerated, ‘stable’ energetic compositions become unstable over time, through various incompletely understood decomposition mechanisms. If the Russians really are using decades-old munitions one would expect to see catastrophic failures with some frequency.

Sean
Sean
21 days ago
Reply to  Ian

There have been reports of explosions at munitions stores. You’d think they’d be careful given what happened to Kursk.

Aaron L
Aaron L
21 days ago
Reply to  Sean

Didn’t Ben Wallace come out and say that we weren’t going to be donating the AS-90’s? I can’t find anything confirming that we are sending them.

I think the AS-90’s were what people thought we were going to send before they came out and said it would be the M270?

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
22 days ago
Reply to  JHC

The big question is precision weapon resupply from Russia internally a possibility? Russia is no longer receiving microprocessors from Taiwan therefore they will try to internalise supply chain. That will take time and likely see a fall in production quality and reduction in sophistication.
What about China and India? Both have indigenous precision atrike weapons production integrated already into Russian and soviet era platforms will we see Russia deploying Chinese made weaponry in the near future. I think so.

JohninMK
JohninMK
21 days ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

The answer could be yes, they have been making their own processors for many years but like anyone else if someone is making a better one it gets used. There is a strong probability that any micros in critical products are their own, certainly in their older weapons.

I doubt that the Russians will be reduced to buying Chinese.

Sean
Sean
20 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

“I doubt that the Russians will be reduced to buying Chinese.”

That’s hilarious!! The Chinese are at least a decade ahead in silicon fabrication over anything Russia can produce domestically. Switching to a Chinese component would be an upgrade for the Russians; they should be so lucky! 😆

Steve
Steve
21 days ago
Reply to  JHC

Precision weapons have a shelf life though, so the Soviet stuff will likely be useless by now and same with a lot of the stored none precision stuff. Who knows how big their viable stock is though, time will tell.

Sean
Sean
21 days ago
Reply to  Steve

Most Soviet stuff also won’t make use of GLONASS as that only became fully operational after the USSRs collapse.

Tams
Tams
22 days ago
Reply to  Sean

Yes, hopefully other operators donate/loan/sell Ukraine some of their systems.

And yes, if need be, we can afford to send them pretty all of ours (short a few to allow for continued training). We won’t need them anytime soon, but Ukraine do. Well, at least if Ukraine get them, then we shouldn’t have any need for them anytime soon. If we don’t… well let’s just hope we won’t need them.

Sean
Sean
22 days ago
Reply to  Tams

I doubt we’ll have need for them any time soon, the Russians have more than enough on their plate with the Ukrainians.
Long term, if replace with some more modern, which is why I’d donate the lot.

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
22 days ago
Reply to  Sean

The issue is that NATO between its member states can support Ukraine much more with artillery and rocket launchers. NATOs stockpile of both types of fire support are more massive than we give credit for. Germany could and should be doing much more unless they actually want Ukraine to lose and to have Russia in control of the whole country and then threatening along a much wider front. If Ukraine does fall. Poland and Baltic states will be very exposed to a near all encompassing threat axis. France has donated Caesar 155mm rapid deployment guns but probably not in the… Read more »

Sean
Sean
22 days ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

I’d donate all our MLRS, and try and shame other operators into donating too. Elderly, but the HIMARS the USA uses is the same missile launcher but with less missiles and fitted to a faster wheeled vehicle rather than a tracked one, so really nothing more modern out there…. And still more than a match for the vintage kit the Russians are fielding.

The Artist Formerly Known As Los Pollos Chicken
The Artist Formerly Known As Los Pollos Chicken
21 days ago
Reply to  Sean

Aye eh ……You’d donate all our precious MLRS systems? That not a bit foolish ?advocating giving away our own equipment means we have nothing for our own use and before you say we buy more to replace who pays?. Our army needs equipment and funding more than pishing it all away on some foreign disaster zone. If as much effort was put into getting both sides round the table for peace instead of gleefully trying to prolong this conflict by supplying more weapons then all the killing destruction and misery might stop but as we all know theres no desire… Read more »

Sean
Sean
14 days ago

Yes I’m sure some people said exactly the same back in 1939 too… unfortunately people like Hitler, Putin, etc don’t care how many innocents die in order for them to get what they want, territorial expansion. Crimea was the 21st centuries Czechoslovakia, and as we’ve seen, doing nothing causes more bloodshed done the line. No it’s not foolish donating our MLRS to Ukraine. Who were you planning on using them against? The most likely opponent is Russia so why not donate them to Ukraine who is currently fighting them. The more Russian tanks, artillery, warships that Ukraine can destroy the… Read more »

The Artist Formerly Known As Los Pollos Chicken
The Artist Formerly Known As Los Pollos Chicken
13 days ago
Reply to  Sean

😂 wow response times are getting quicker ….. On this we must disagree my man .what do you mean who was I planning on using them against? I hope we don’t have to use them cos that involves people dying . You’ve missed my entire point . Our having military equipment (MLRS) is like an insurance policy I.e costs a lot money but you hope you never have to use them . 3billion allocated didn’t include replacement for these systems only upgrades so again who pays? You are aware Governments don’t have any money it’s the people who give them… Read more »

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
23 days ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

And don’t think precision is the top of Russia’s priority list. Most of the fire power appears to come from the artillery, mortars, unguided rockets etc. After that I would hazard a guess that helicopters firing rockets is next. Then aircraft and cruise missiles from the boats. There have been some explosions at Russian arms storage which to hazard a guess is mostly from getting older weapons ready. While the guided stuff may be running low Russia probably has years worth of unguided shells, ammo etc. Crikey they probably still have the bombs from Korean War sitting in a warehouse… Read more »

Nicholas
Nicholas
23 days ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

‘And don’t think precision is the top of Russia’s priority list’

Indeed, they don’t appear to care much for their own troops, as they have shown in the past, they don’t seem to care about international opinion, so why not just flatten whole areas. Let us hope desperation doesn’t set in ushering in the use of WMD.

ChariotRider
ChariotRider
23 days ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

I think the point about the MLRS / HIMARS is that they out range the Russian artillery so offer the Ukrainian’s an effective counter battery fires capability. The West have already supplied a number of mortar / artilley location radar systems so hopefully they will have the ability to start to hit the Russian artillery. If they can demonstrate the capability to the average Russian gunner, perhaps morale will take another hit. There was an article on the BBC about a number of Russian soldiers already refusing to fight, if the Russian superiority in artillery can be whittled down with… Read more »

Steve
Steve
22 days ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

I really don’t get what is slowing down the west. Even the UK has dragged its feet. For sure we gave a shed load of nlaws but heavy gear has been slow.

I guess the obvious expanation is probably the right one, we and the European nations don’t have any reserve stocks of gear, the stuff that was meant to be in the stock rooms has been stripped and it is taking time to get them operational again. So the promised kit is taking longer than the governments expected to be delivered

OldSchool
OldSchool
22 days ago
Reply to  Steve

The UK has not dragged its feet. Its France, Germany, Italy & Spain who have been gutless, penny pinching, two faced miserable shysters tbh.

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
22 days ago
Reply to  OldSchool

Spain are going to donate leopard 2A4s to Ukraine. The first NATO country to give a modern MBT.
France has already supplied a number of Caesar 155mm rapid deployment guns (truck mounted) France’s military seem to be very willing to efficiently help Ukraine . Its their political master in 2 faced appeaser Macron thats the problem. He is deliberately limiting France’s support. Probably because he wants Ukraine to fall to justify the need for a France led EU army.

Steve
Steve
22 days ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

Na, its not about EU or EU army etc, its about oil/gas, the EU countries don’t want to annoy Russia too much until they are in a position to remove their reliance on Russia.

The world is going through mass inflation, and the EU is broadly keeping it under control, compared to say the UK/US, but if they were to have Russia cut off their oil/gas that would vanish quickly.

JohninMK
JohninMK
21 days ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

Spain apparently only found 10 that were worth sending and Germany vetoed the transfer anyway.

Aaron L
Aaron L
21 days ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

Pretty sure Germany put a halt to Spain supplying the Leopards. You’ve also got to consider the training and logistics required to start using a vehicle of that level on the battlefield. You’re looking at months to get crews ready and even then it’ll probably not be to a high enough standard to make a massive amount of difference. Training is a completely secondary issue to being able to logistically support something that has no commonality with what they currently have in service. New shiny toys are great but they need to know how to use them to actually be… Read more »

Steve
Steve
22 days ago
Reply to  OldSchool

Spanish artillery is being used in Ukraine,so you can’t point fingers at them. Germany i agree, they seem to be hapyp to announce donations and then not deliver. French stuff is also already being used. My concern is why havent’ we donated anything heavy, the only thing we have donated is 2 MLRS, we even have heavy gear being advertised for sale such as CVR(T) and Husky. Plus surely we have some war stocks, even if just small numbers. This is the chance to elimanate Russia as a threat to the UK. Dont’ get me wrong the UK is one… Read more »

Last edited 22 days ago by Steve
OldSchool
OldSchool
22 days ago
Reply to  Steve

We haven’t given heavy equipment because we either have little of it or it is old (AS90) or both. Personally I’m surprised we have given any MLRS as we have way to few. But likely its a token of support and hoping others will give also (a faint hope with some in the EU I’m afraid).

Steve
Steve
22 days ago
Reply to  OldSchool

You can’t really say we haven’t given much and then point fingers at the EU which thanks to Poland/etc have given a lot of heavy kit. We are taking large numbers of challengers out of service, why not donate them. AS90 might be old but still would be useful as it can shoot and scoot. Didn’t they store a load of the Argentine gear in the Falklands, I assume most of that would be ex soviet that could be useful. I suspect the reason we and a number of other countries are not donating more is they are worried about… Read more »

Paul T
Paul T
20 days ago
Reply to  Steve

Be careful what you wish for – donating surplus Challenger 2 Tanks to Ukraine will present the same issues that the German veto on the Spanish Leopard 2 might have been about – you run a very high risk of an example (s) falling into Russian hands and bang goes your Lead in Armour Developement.As to any ex Argentinian Equipment thats a no-go too,anything of any use will be long gone and nothing i can think of would have been of Soviet origin,they bought their stock from the USA and Western Europe.

ChariotRider
ChariotRider
22 days ago
Reply to  Steve

Hi Steve, That would certianly be part of the problem, reactivating stored and often cannibalised kit can take time, especially if you need to make the required spare parts which could well have gone out of production..! First you have to find the technical drawings and specifications, if not you have to design ‘new’ components that don’t adversely affect the exsisting elements of the system (e.g. let a little bit too much voltage through an old circuit and phoomp..!). Then, once you have done all of that, you need to train the Ukrainian’s on not just the particular item but… Read more »

Rib N
Rib N
23 days ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

They may have a lot of old kit but as Ukraine’s reach gets longer the systems Russia uses will be vulnerable. M777, MLRS etc will start to claim victims. Russian attack helicopters and tactical aircraft have been suffering very heavy losses to MPADS. Russian Armour and logistics have proved an easy target for ATGWs. Also Ukraine is still mobilising and training new troops they will have a numerical advantage over Russia. There is also the moral issue – Russian moral is low, and set to get worse. There is also the matter of loss of experience in the Russian army.… Read more »

Paul T
Paul T
22 days ago
Reply to  Rib N

Ukraine can never have numerical superiority in Troops over Russia,,thats physically impossible.

Gavin Gordon
Gavin Gordon
22 days ago
Reply to  Paul T

But they’re all in Ukraine. Russia cannot send its entire armed forces there

Paul T
Paul T
22 days ago
Reply to  Gavin Gordon

Ukraine has mobilised – Russia has not,plus Russia has at least a 3x advantage in population size.

Jacko
Jacko
22 days ago
Reply to  Paul T

As the orcs have increased the age of military service to the 40s that in itself gives a heads up on their problems.

Steve
Steve
22 days ago
Reply to  Jacko

The US did stuff like that during the Iraq/Afgan wars, plus started heavily relying on private military contractors, i think that is becoming the norm, no nation really has enough soldiers for a sustained war.

Dern
Dern
22 days ago
Reply to  Paul T

Not at all. Ukraine is mass mobilizing it’s population. Russia isn’t. As long as Putin is determined to spin this as a limited intervention and not fully mobilize the Russian populous, while Ukraine treats it like a Total War, it’s only a matter of time until the Ukranian Armed Forces outnumber the Russians.

Paul T
Paul T
22 days ago
Reply to  Dern

So what happens when Russia fully Mobilises then ? Do you think a Ukrainian victory on the Battlefield will see Russia accept defeat gracefully and walk away with it’s Tail between it’s legs ?.

Sean
Sean
22 days ago
Reply to  Paul T

If Russia fully mobilises then people there may start to wonder why a limited operation against some “junkie Nazis in Ukraine” is such a challenge. Russia has already lost more troops in 100 days in Ukraine than the whole of the Afghan campaign. Despite the control of the media there, people will start to notice when they know more and more people who have lost a son, a brother, a nephew, a friend, to the fighting…
It’s not inconceivable we could see a repeat of 1917 against the current despot.

Dern
Dern
22 days ago
Reply to  Sean

👆
Plus, the Ukrainians started to mobilize much earlier than the Russians. As for Russia accept defeat gracefully? No. They’ll have to have sense beaten into them. But as long as they happily let the Ukranians chew up BG after BG until every Russian soldier sent is carrying a Mosin Nagant then that just might happen.

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
22 days ago
Reply to  Dern

The deployment of T62s from deep storage actualkly makes sense. Hold back Russia’s modern tanks as they are getting chewed up. Let the Ukrainian military use up their precision weapons on old defunct tanks. Shows a distinct callousness towards Russian service personnel. But as long as casualties are no concern then yeah there is a certain efficiency.

Dern
Dern
22 days ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

1) That’s not how the Russians are using them, they’re putting them in quieter areas so they can focus their more modern tanks in the high intensity regions, so the point is just off.
2) It makes sense in the “A tank is better than no tank” way, but not in any sense beyond that.

JohninMK
JohninMK
22 days ago
Reply to  Sean

Russian troop losses are basically guesswork and the way they are fighting now should be minimising them.

Steve
Steve
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

A little more than guess work, whilst not hugely accurate, western intel will have been able to work out losses based on sizes of forces committed to operations Vs numbers moved following failures and from the sheer amount of hardware destroyed, plus Ukraine is admitting it’s losing 100 plus a day and that number will be downplayed, whilst they are generally winning ground until recently so russian losses would be higher. We can be pretty confident that Russian losses are in the tens of thousands, but it’s impossible to have an exact number as Russia is lying to everyone about… Read more »

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Troops loses. Approx 15K dead and 30K wounded as a minimum perhaps upto 30K dead and 50-60K wounded.
Depends upon whose statistics you believe. I think seeing thousands of tanks and IFVs being videoed cooking up must mean tens of thousands of Russia’s piss poor military are not going to be returning to mother Russia with their loot and stories of rape, torture and murder of innocenet civillians.
Putin is a modern day Hitler and Russia’s army has become a modern day SS.
Care to condemn Russia’s illegal innvasion of Ukraine JohninMK?

JohninMK
JohninMK
21 days ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

Here is some background on the stories of rape you mention showing that lying can definitely achieve objectives. In particular the now shown to be false Russian soldiers rape claims from the Ukraine/US that seem to have influenced some here. This emerged last Monday and is from ZeroHedge in the US.   The top Ukrainian official who was fired for spreading misinformation has admitted that she lied about Russians committing mass rape in order to convince western countries to send more weapons to Ukraine.   Lyudmila Denisova, the former Ukrainian Parliamentary Commissioner for Human Rights, was removed from her position… Read more »

Dern
Dern
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

You mean like everything you ever say about Russia?
Have you managed to get a shred of decency about yourself yet and condemn Putins invasion?
Or is that Kremlin gold too good still?

Barry Larking
Barry Larking
21 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

You have demonstrated in multiple comments that you do not condemn this aggression. That is not guesswork.

David Barry
David Barry
22 days ago
Reply to  Sean

Agreed.

Tams
Tams
22 days ago
Reply to  Paul T

They are already getting recruitment offices set ablaze from the mere rumour that mobilisation might occur.

So with so many soldiers, including military police and quasi-military police, deployed to the ‘special military operation’, should mobilisation occur how much could Russian authorities actually enforce it?

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
22 days ago
Reply to  Tams

Russia has a falling population size. Ageing population and hasnt got the manpower reserves it had in WW2. So a full mobilisation might generate 2-3 million in manpower but those are untrained civillians. Ukraine fully mobilised at the outset. Those Ukrainian volunteers are currentky in training and will soon join the fight. Trained and equipped with NATO equipment.
I think unless Russia fully mobilises they are eventually going to lose in Ukraine.

David Barry
David Barry
22 days ago
Reply to  Paul T

I.m not sure that is true. Every Ukr is armed (gen) and Russia has very low numbers when it comes to Regulars.

Meanwhile, the irregulars of the Donbass and Donets are being malleted.

This is a negative exercise outcome for Russia.

DJ
DJ
22 days ago
Reply to  David Barry

The added problem for Russia is NATO. There is now a NATO army sitting in the Baltic states (take a quick look at a map). Russia cannot go all in on Ukraine as it needs to keep sufficient military assets to counter any move from the Baltics (including militarily strong non NATO states of Finland & Sweden). Russia thought this would be over in a week. NATO is not known for moving fast (too many moving parts), but like a freight train, once it gets going… & Russia has (unintentionally) given it time to get up to speed. NATO already… Read more »

Barry Larking
Barry Larking
21 days ago
Reply to  DJ

All good points made well. The outcome even now is wholly in N.A.T.O.’s favour. Looking further how is Russia going to hold onto Ukraine? How? What price victory, Mr Putin?

John Hartley
John Hartley
21 days ago
Reply to  DJ

The Chinese have been doing military exercises near the Russian border. The Chinese have long wanted the resources of Siberia.

Airborne
Airborne
20 days ago
Reply to  DJ

Agreed, excellent brief assessment 👍!

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
22 days ago
Reply to  Paul T

I dont know Rob. They had 1.5 million volunteers join their armed forces. It is estimated 500,000 are in army training and slowly trickling into frontline units or being trained on NATO supplied kit. Ukraine needs to hold ground whilst these new forces are prepared then could fessibly counter attack with a numerical superiority over Russia.

John Clark
John Clark
23 days ago

And cue JohninMk…..

“The glorious Russian Airforce is simply pausing to do the Vat quarter stock take in their justified special operation”

Something along those lines John???

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
23 days ago
Reply to  John Clark

I think it is their R&D tax claim that is holding things up actually?

Sean
Sean
23 days ago
Reply to  John Clark

“The Russian Air Force is showing its green credentials by using old and obsolete munitions instead of throwing them away into landfill”

JohnInMocKva

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
23 days ago
Reply to  Sean

How it is offsetting the carbon footprint of using the weapons. Surely with the recently revealed eco-friendly-cuddly-white-cat-loving replacement for Peter The Great this would be essential?

Sean
Sean
23 days ago

He obviously plans to plant forests in the spaces previously occupied by Ukrainian cities. That would explain his wholesale flattening off them.

Dern
Dern
22 days ago

“See, Moscow is even creating Artificial Reefs in Black Sea for wildlife.”

John Clark
John Clark
22 days ago
Reply to  Dern

😂😂😂🤣🤣👍

Sean
Sean
22 days ago
Reply to  Dern

You sir, win the internet today 👏🏻

David Barry
David Barry
22 days ago
Reply to  Dern

You too funny!

Barry Larking
Barry Larking
21 days ago
Reply to  Dern

Jury Prize.

Barry Larking
Barry Larking
21 days ago

So true on so many levels.

Nicholas
Nicholas
23 days ago
Reply to  John Clark

I watched Chernobyl again last week. There was not much sign of a anything glorious about the poor bastards having to shovel chunks of death off a flat roof. There was a lot of individual heroism and selflessness but the machine itself looked pretty broken down. I don’t imagine much has changed.

JohninMK
JohninMK
22 days ago
Reply to  John Clark

You called? I doubt it, I don’t know if they use a VAT like system. All I know on their tax system is the their income tax is a flat rate 13%, a bit different to ours. When I read the last para of the MoD statement with its third word being “likely” I take it with a pinch of salt recognising that they have a dog in this fight. I have written before that there is a general suspicion here about the honesty of our Government and ability of the MoD, why suddenly do people believe every word they… Read more »

Jacko
Jacko
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Well a bit like your claims then! You still haven’t condemned this illegal war and still won’t offer up your ‘scourges’ of info! So I think I will believe our own MOD before you.

JohninMK
JohninMK
22 days ago
Reply to  Jacko

Which you are perfectly entitled to do. I didn’t say in that post anything you needed to believe anyway, apart from the tax rate perhaps.

Dern
Dern
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

John any chance of you condemming Putins actions yet?

John Clark
John Clark
22 days ago
Reply to  Dern

And the digital tumble weed rolls past……

Apparently it’s because the Russians have run out of viable targets, righto, that’s why the railways roll troops and logistics, airbases turn round Ukrainian fighters and Ukrainian Armoured formations re-equip and train in the West of Ukraine on all that Western equipment!

Ready to push the Russians East and out….

Yep, no viable targets what so ever…..

Sean
Sean
22 days ago
Reply to  Dern

He won’t, he’s an apologist for war crimes, murder, torture, ape, and ethnic cleansing. That makes him almost as bad as those doing it.

Dern
Dern
22 days ago
Reply to  Sean

I know, that’s why we need to call him on it every time he posts.

Airborne
Airborne
22 days ago
Reply to  Dern

Agreed mate!

JohninMK
JohninMK
22 days ago
Reply to  Sean

Unless I am very much mistaken the UK is not at war with Russia so my views on what they are doing is neither here or there and I as far as I am aware our views do not prevent us posting here.

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Care to condemn the illegal invasion of Ukraine? If no condemnation then you clearly support rape, murder of civillians. Looting and all the other war crimes committed by Putins piss poor SS military.

Dern
Dern
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

I mean you are a supporter of mass murder and rape, so frankly your views on what they are doing are kind of pertinent.

Barry Larking
Barry Larking
21 days ago
Reply to  Dern

Airborne (chap’s a complete brick!) re-posted all of Johno’s comments in one go a couple of weeks back. If he isn’t a Moscow shill then he is seriously deluded. Given many opportunities to condemn the Rape of Ukraine he has never responded. Not once.

Barry Larking
Barry Larking
21 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Reading you with attention pays dividends. ‘they’ ‘we’ and ‘us’. Oh, dear, the mask slipped there Johnski.

David Barry
David Barry
22 days ago
Reply to  Sean

Good point, well made.

Barry Larking
Barry Larking
21 days ago
Reply to  Dern

Is he f…!

Posse Comitatus
Posse Comitatus
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Well actually, both the MoD and what you decry as mainstream media ( Sky News ,BBC, print media etc) have been very accurate, honest and objective in their reporting. They accurately reported the build up of Russian forces at Ukraine’s border, the Kremlin’s deflection, the lies of senior Russian diplomats. They objectively noted the beginning of the Russian attack on Ukraine , filming the Russian ordinance falling on housing and civilian areas in Kyiv. Those pictures weren’t fake news. The Russian retreat from Kyiv was accurately reflected in their reports, likewise the massacre of civilians by the Russian military in… Read more »

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
22 days ago

To be fair to the BBC, they have been quite clear in calling out and fact checking a lot of the Kremlin BS.

Which is unusual as they usually just dither and use ‘allegedly’ as a get out.

I’d be pretty clear that if a BBC journalist said they had seen something or verified it that it would most likely be true.

So much of this is helped by the commercial satellite data that enables cross checking of timelines.

Steve
Steve
22 days ago

The BBC is generally pretty good at reporting, they just get themselves in a mess when reporting about internal polictics because they are scared of the government after both Blair’s goverment and Boris has gone after them and threatened to remove their funding

John Clark
John Clark
22 days ago
Reply to  Steve

I would say the BBC is withering on the vine…. The rot of staunch political correctness, backed up by all content run through a Woke committee has put the BBC into a nose dive… The new Dr Who and his ‘glamorous assistant’ are perfect examples of the BBC leading a pride parade over the edge of a cliff and seemingly surprised and dumbfounded that their viewing figures are crashing through the floor! They have turned to cheap mass entertainment, even BBC4 is getting the chop, the last channel worth watching in my opinion. Still, as long as they can keep… Read more »

Barry Larking
Barry Larking
21 days ago

I have to admit I have been very surprised at the accuracy of The Guardian’s reporting on the Rape of Ukraine; very unexpected knowing their international and national views for years past. To be fair, this is never going to be a story with two sides unless you have a serious moral deficiency.

Sean
Sean
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Well our government and intelligence sources correctly predicted Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Something that you were still denying even as the Ruskies rusty tanks trundled across the border…

JohninMK
JohninMK
22 days ago
Reply to  Sean

Indeed they did and quite a few observers got that wrong including me.

Sean
Sean
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

You and the now ex-head of French intelligence were the only two surprised at Putin’s invasion. We have to wonder if he was in Putin’s pay too.

Airborne
Airborne
21 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Very fucking wrong but as it’s pretty irrelevant as you are here to continue to post vomit, and every subsequent post of yours does show a very strong element of nonce supporting behaviour! You seem to be Theo my person (troll/bot) who supports this illegal invasion, aside from the odd RMT union leader and a sad small fat Nazi nonce from NK!

Barry Larking
Barry Larking
21 days ago
Reply to  Airborne

Shakespeare could not have expressed it better! Jane Austen might have had a bit of a struggle though.

Airborne
Airborne
20 days ago
Reply to  Barry Larking

😂👍

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
21 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

John my dear Ruskie friend. You got it wrong because you believed in your political paymasters lies. We are just massing 100,000+ troops on the border of a sovereign country along multiple threat axis for “exercises”. Yeah right- Britain and America called out the attack weeks before it happened. We probably had intelligence intercepts to senior ranking Putin Bots before your head honcho in the basement of the Kremlin did. SO its not a case of woops I was wrong on your account. You have been proven consistently wrong, inaccurate and frankly full of BS since the invasion begun. I… Read more »

Airborne
Airborne
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

More vomit inducing garbage by our resident supporter of evil nonces! Any condemnation of Putins illegal invasion of Ukraine yet?

JohninMK
JohninMK
22 days ago
Reply to  Airborne

Not sure how your first sentence could refer to my post you are commenting on. What’s “vomit inducing” about quoting a Russian tax rate and questioning the basis of Government statements, especially when they themselves qualify them by using “likely”?

David Barry
David Barry
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

You know, when German citizens refused to acknowledge the death camps to the allies, the allies took them there.

We can organise a collection for your ticket and Airborne, would I’m sure, organise an insertion method for you.

It would probably give your head a wobble.

Airborne
Airborne
21 days ago
Reply to  David Barry

Good idea mate, but as a troll he is fully aware of the ongoing Russian agenda in Ukraine.

Airborne
Airborne
21 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Your continued support for a Nazi regime controlled by Putin is vomit inducing! Now, as your answering, would you like to answer the oft asked question in regard to your condemnation of Putins illegal invasion of Ukraine? Come on pal, don’t always be a coward and have the balls to be honest with everyone? Otherwise you just continue to confirm to us all you are a sad troll tosspot, who we are now laughing at every time you post! You are quite simply a sad Putin poodle yapping away at the bigger dogs!

David Barry
David Barry
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Newsflash, several on here are sure the present Con govt are full of horse manure.

However, we’ve grown up learning to compartmentalise and know the Orcs are full of bull sh!t.

Airborne
Airborne
21 days ago
Reply to  David Barry

😂👍!

Barry Larking
Barry Larking
21 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

It is not that we believe every word they write but that we won’t trust you further than we could throw you. Ina ballroom full of Russia trolls you would be the one to stand out.

David Barry
David Barry
22 days ago
Reply to  John Clark

Love it.

Barry Larking
Barry Larking
21 days ago
Reply to  John Clark

‘Loosing badly is the new winning.’

Armchair Admiral
Armchair Admiral
23 days ago

I see in several news articles that the Ukrainians are running short of ammunition for both small and large guns. The Russians may also be running out of precision guided munitions, but they appear to have reverted back to the flatten-it and advance tactic using overpowering artillery firepower. Lacking sufficient “swarming” smart missiles (Brimstone or spear3 for instance), what’s next for the Ukrainians?? I had thought that the supply of weapons from the west would deal with this sort of shortage but the issue is that they use different calibers to us and there’s not enough coming from Soviet era… Read more »

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
23 days ago

Let’s hope we can do something akin to the NLAWS/Javelin effect with FIRES soon.

JohninMK
JohninMK
22 days ago

The big problem for Ukraine seems to be not only are they running out of both 122mm and 152mm ammunition but stocks in the NATO ex WP countries are also nearly all gone leading to the situation where, unless they can capture Russian stocks, their artillery is effectively scrap. If only NATO standard rounds are available, the only artillery they can utilise would be the dribs and drabs of gifts from NATO, which is unlikely to be enough, or in the right place, to stop the Russian advance.

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Fortunately, the Russians donated plenty with their early run-and-tow-away gifting program.

To be fair Soviet artillery is pretty good at flattening cities but not very useful against military targets.

So maybe the Russian plan was to help the Ukrainians focus on getting some useful accurate artillery. A master stroke?

JohninMK
JohninMK
22 days ago

The donations seem to be long gone and Russian artillery seems to be playing a major role in the advances forward. The disparity in availability in munitions seems to overcome the accuracy issue. There just isn’t enough NATO guns and ammo being promised and delivered

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Maybe not.

Let’s see the carpet bombski approach achieves 1:100 kill rate.

Whereas as precision munition achieved 1:1 or 1:2 depending on skill and a touch of luck.

So 10 units could be a game changer Komrad…….

Is the humidity is in StPB getting a little high now?

David Barry
David Barry
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Article on the issue of training professional in the use of Arty is three weeks min…

…in their own language…

Not extracting them out of a war situation to another country and then infiltratoring them in.

DJ
DJ
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

A lot of people seem to underestimate how much ammo a howitzer can go through. While they are much cheaper than a missile, they still cost quite a lot. Have a quick look at how much 105 (army) & 114 (4.5” – navy) was expended on what was in reality a sideshow Falklands war. While no disrespect to veterans intended, most would agree that this was a limited war (as wars go). For reference, that was something like 8,000 4.5” naval shells & some 17,000 army 105mm shells.

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
21 days ago
Reply to  DJ

Its a good point- agree artillery uses truly vast amounts of ammo on sustained combat. Each shell has a cost implication to the country firing them to fund -pity Russia is in fact increasing its sovereign wealth throughout this fiasco via energy sales to China and India and yes continuing to sell to EU countries. A truly impactful intervention would be an immediate and total ban on all Russian gas imports. remove the wealth and income needed for Russia to continue funding its war of conquest. Lets hope our dearly beloved BoJo’s government have got their eye on the ball… Read more »

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
21 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Oh I agree- much more is needed- hence see my previous post- NATO needs to go all in for Ukraine- mass production of MLRS, Leopard 2 A6, M777/ Caesar, IFVs- get Ukraine to state what they like and want and we should mass produce and fund it for them. Least we can do seeing as they are fighting and dying for their democracy, freedom from tyranny and fighting against a bunch of rag bag rapists, murders and thieving looting scumbags. Wouldn’t you agree Johnski?

Dern
Dern
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Have you condemned Putins invasion yet?

FieldLander
FieldLander
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Interesting piece from a ‘pundit’ on Newsnight this week (Tuesday?). He highlighted that the West (US excepted) had been criminally negligent in the way in which stockpiles had been run down. It is not just the Ukrainians that are running out of ammunition. 3x MLRS is not a lot. How many times can they re-load them. I fear that a totalitarian state, playing on the old lines, I have just finished Beevors ‘Berlin the Downfall’, could just keep grinding away. There has to be a risk that Ukraine is wholly occupied by the year end. More than content to be… Read more »

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
22 days ago
Reply to  FieldLander

You mean like the 15k NLAWS that the UK alone had that destroyed all the decent Russia armour? You mean the ones that are being manufactured flat out in Belfast right now? The UK has stocks of quite a few useful goodies that are not widely known about. Things that are known about are huge stocks of things like laser guided bombs that can be properly guided from F35 or Typhoon or F16/18. We do have several hundred air launched Storm Shadow – this can be gleaned from ordered less expended. There may also have been some replenishment so it… Read more »

Steve
Steve
22 days ago

We have sent somewhere around 4k NLAW from what I read, a little short of the 15k, but still a decent amount

JohninMK
JohninMK
22 days ago
Reply to  FieldLander

There is little actual evidence that the ‘gifts’ from NATO have done much to slow the Russian advance. I doubt that you are wrong.

David Barry
David Barry
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Please explain where Warsaw Pact, sorry, Russian forces have steamrollared anything? Orcs are brewing up all over the place and I don.t mean making kava or caj.

Barry Larking
Barry Larking
21 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Do you or do you not support the invasion of Ukraine by Russia. Yes or no?

Airborne
Airborne
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Give yourself a break you muppet! Any condemnation of Putins illegal invasion of Ukraine yet?

Steve
Steve
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

It don’t get why NATO doesn’t pay for a few weapon factories to start mass producing the shells. Yes it’s non standard size, but a weapons company could fix that problem quickly, just a question of adjusting their tooling. Let’s hope something like this is happening on the QT to ensure ammo gets to Ukraine before it’s too late.

It does however feel like the west isn’t 100% commited to helping ukraine, it’s like they are nervous of doing so and give a bit then stop and dither.

DJ
DJ
22 days ago
Reply to  Steve

Steve While this is possible with regular rifle ammunition (there is even civilian production of Russian 7.62 ammo), these military often govt owned or controlled factories are primarily geared to produce ammo for their own & allied militaries. Retooling is possible but they also have to take into account that if all this goes wrong, their own military cannot suffer. So they can only change some of their systems. Also artillery shells are a whole different manufacturing process. For example, a 155mm HE shell casing is forged that way, it’s not a whole heap of small parts clicked together. You… Read more »

JohninMK
JohninMK
21 days ago
Reply to  DJ

Very clear, thank you. Time is now the key factor.

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
21 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

How delightful for you- you seem pretty keyed up for an individual who does not have any military experience (by your own previous statements) so now you are an expert on logistics and ammunition consumption. or is this just the horse crap that Russia Today is posting? I’m pretty sure between the Eastern European countries that still use ex soviet era artillery pieces (which are shit by the way) there is enough ammo to keep Ukraine in the fight- the problem is likely that those countries do not want to donate their artillery and ammunition for fear of attack by… Read more »

David Barry
David Barry
23 days ago

With UkrAF incurring huge manpower losses, their medical services must be stretched as well as logistics, can NATO not establish field hospitals in NATO countries?

Of course, street fighting must be taking a toll on the orcs, hopefully; how is that going down with the great Russian motherhood?

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
23 days ago
Reply to  David Barry

I was discussing this with a consultant combat medic last week and he was a bit open mouthed at the scale of what the Ukrainians (never mind the Russians) are dealing with assuming a 4:1 injury:kill ratio.

I’m surprised that UK hasn’t been asked to help out given that we have recent expertise and probably some capacity as it would keep skills fresh and focus on defence medicine. As well as being good humanitarian work to do medical stuff.

David Barry
David Barry
23 days ago

Good points, well made.

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
23 days ago

It’s a lot of soldiers lost. Saw it was sitting 100 a day and 400-750 injured a day. As the attackers Russia will be losing 2-4 times as much and that is based on competent soldiers. The numbers won’t be perfectly accurate. There is a person( can’t remember the name) that worked out the killed to injured ratio and other stats for defenders versus attackers etc.
Did Israel supply field hospitals at the beginning?

JohninMK
JohninMK
22 days ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

Yes, those are the losses admitted this week by Kiev, so they could be higher. They also seem to exclude missing in action and surrendered. Losing say 600 off the front line every day plus the logistics to get them out must be a huge drain. That is the best part of 5000 a week, a number very difficult to replace even with the best training system there is and there are indications that more than just item specific training is being done in Poland and Romania. There are also social media comments that a growing proportion of NCOs/junior officers,… Read more »

Dern
Dern
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Maybe condemn Putins invasion John?

Sean
Sean
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

And Russians undoubtedly far higher, as the Ukrainians have the advantage of being the defenders. And armed by NATO, rather than using soviet-era junk like the poor Russian conscripts are.

All the Russians seem to understand tactic wise is ‘scorched earth’. Do it when they retreat, do it before they advance. Seems to a strange way to ‘liberate’ the Donbas though, flatten it with artillery and kill everyone living there.

JohninMK
JohninMK
22 days ago
Reply to  Sean

With the current Russian tactics it is likely that the defenders are at the disadvantage. The bulk of the Ukrainian forces are still using “soviet-era junk like the poor Russian” are.

dave12
dave12
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

What should concern you orcs johnski is the mismanagement of the structure of the Russian army , to many officers and tanks and a shortage of infantry and privates in reduced strength battalions, Russia is running out of infantry let alone infantry with training.

JohninMK
JohninMK
21 days ago
Reply to  dave12

Where did that gem of information come from?

dave12
dave12
21 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

https://warontherocks.com/2022/06/not-built-for-purpose-the-russian-militarys-ill-fated-force-design/ fill your boots johnski as I said this should worry you orcs more than anything else.

David A
David A
21 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Yet in the post above you were telling us that Ukraine are… “as I have said before, due the the Ukrainian Army being the biggest, best equipped and dug in in Europe”. and in the space of a few hours… “The bulk of the Ukrainian forces are still using “soviet-era junk like the poor Russian” are”.

JohninMK
JohninMK
21 days ago
Reply to  David A

Using the equipment they had, especially AD doesn’t mean they can’t meet the other criteria.

Rob Young
Rob Young
22 days ago
Reply to  Sean

If you just sit and bombard someone with a superior weight of shells, if your opponent is likewise sitting but can’t reply to the same degree – then the ‘defender’ will be the one losing most. Remember, ‘inaccurate’ artilleryfire in large amounts make it difficult to move around – the fact is, we don’t know Russian losses and probably won’t for another 20 years!

JohninMK
JohninMK
21 days ago
Reply to  Rob Young

Exactly what the Russians are doing and why I’m saying its the Ukrainians that are suffering most.

Airborne
Airborne
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

More pro Putin vomit! Any condemnation of Putins illegal invasion of Ukraine yet?

dave12
dave12
22 days ago
Reply to  Airborne
Jacko
Jacko
22 days ago
Reply to  dave12

Excellent read thank you👍

dave12
dave12
21 days ago
Reply to  Jacko

👍

JohninMK
JohninMK
21 days ago
Reply to  Airborne

Try critiquing it then rather than spewing meaningless insults.

Sean
Sean
23 days ago
Reply to  David Barry

I’ve read of at least one NATO country already operating a field hospital on its territory close to the Ukrainian border to treat injured servicemen. Similarly operating a repair facility on NATO territory to repair Ukrainian military vehicles.

David Barry
David Barry
22 days ago
Reply to  Sean

Thank you.

Michael S.
Michael S.
23 days ago
Reply to  David Barry

This already happens. Germany has not retired its old A310.medevac and is Regularly flying to rzezow to evacuate ukrainian soldiers. Many German military facilities are treating wounded.

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
22 days ago
Reply to  Michael S.

Good to know and a really valuable contribution to moral to know there are good treatment options.

David Barry
David Barry
22 days ago
Reply to  Michael S.

Thxs for the heads up.

David Barry
David Barry
22 days ago
Reply to  Michael S.

Thx

Quentin Drury
Quentin Drury
23 days ago

Hopefully Ukraine can get some advantages back and make some significant gains on their various battlefronts. I’m getting sick of hearing Putin and his forces seemingly getting away with all their barbarity. There needs to be some knock out punches coming their way to shut these fxxxxxx up dead!

JohninMK
JohninMK
22 days ago
Reply to  Quentin Drury

It looks increasingly likely that you may become seriously ill as with every day that passes the Russians move their fronts further into Ukraine and it must be becoming increasingly clear to anyone with a military oriented mind or experience that bits and bobs shipped into the country on a semi random manner over the past few months have done little if anything to stop that move. Anyone who thinks that at this stage Ukraine can successfully counter attack, let alone land a knockout punch, knows little about what has actually been going on there. I have said here from… Read more »

Jacko
Jacko
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Really! All the way to the Polish border!, WTF with?

Farouk
Farouk
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

JIMK wrote: “”I have said here from the start, to much derision and other insults, there was and is no way that Ukraine can stop the Russians moving as far into Ukraine as they want, be that all the way to the Polish border.”” At the start of April Moscow pulled all its troops from the north of the Ukraine and redeployed  them all (110 BTGs) to the East in which to make short work of the Ukrainians defending their country from the Russian invasion. The Russians attacked the city of Popasna on the 18th March, and supported by the… Read more »

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Jacko
Jacko
22 days ago
Reply to  Farouk

Yes but they can still drive to the Polish border next week😂

Airborne
Airborne
21 days ago
Reply to  Farouk

Boom Farouk shoots and scores once again, we have a sad troll down, sad troll down.

Dern
Dern
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

From the start? Was that when you said that Putin wouldn’t invade?
Where’s that condemnation of his invasion by the way?

OkamsRazor
OkamsRazor
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Obviously you know nothing about war or war “mobilisation” or supply chains or you would not be spouting nonsense. Russia has literally thrown everything the they have including the kitchen sink at Ukrain. They have basically achieved FA. Ukraine is just starting, huge numbers of troops are being trained, new weapons and training are being received. The Russians are bringing 60 year old tanks out of storage and Soviet era missiles. Yeah sounds like Soviet victory to me!

JohninMK
JohninMK
22 days ago
Reply to  OkamsRazor

Enjoy your optimism, plus your belief of the propaganda, it won’t last.

OkamsRazor
OkamsRazor
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Exactly whose propaganda is that? Don’t have to use a brain but it doesn’t hurt.

Airborne
Airborne
21 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Oooohh getting your handbag out russkie boy! You do get very defensive and show your true side when you have no answer and you get gripped!

Sean
Sean
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

I know why your posting these deranged comments… you’re going to plead insanity at your war-crime trial!

Posse Comitatus
Posse Comitatus
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Well, they were stopped. They cannot go as far as they want, they expected to take Kyiv in a few days but they were defeated and had to retreat. They suffered horrific losses trying to cross the Siversky Donets river last month. ,For a supposed superpower, they are making only the most incremental progress in the East at horrific cost to themselves and causing wholesale slaughter to innocent civilians that they are somehow “liberating ” There are many here who have a ‘ military orientated mind ‘ as you put it and they regularly show you up to be the… Read more »

JohninMK
JohninMK
22 days ago

I am relaying a different view on this conflict which you are entitled to accept or not. So far, whilst I may have been wrong in particular areas I am correct in my forecasts that the Russians would overwhelm the Ukrainians. It is taking a long time, as I have said before, due the the Ukrainian Army being the biggest, best equipped and dug in in Europe.

David A
David A
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

It is taking a long time, as I have said before, due the the Ukrainian Army being the biggest, best equipped and dug in in Europe”. Biggest? maybe now conscription has been in place. Best equipped? No! One of the best supplied, maybe yes. One thing this war has shown the world is how weak Russia is. Before February Russia was a world power, now it’s a new North Korea and a paper bear!

Posse Comitatus
Posse Comitatus
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

There’s differing views and opinions, but there’s also blatant Kremlin propaganda, and you with your gleeful reporting of supposed Russian “successes ” and sneering contempt for Ukraine puts you firmly in the latter camp. Your twisted and delusional narrative has been altered so many times to suit whatever “facts ” you seek to present that you have long since abandoned any pretence of objectivity or truthfulness, everyone here sees that. You seem so proud and enamoured of Russian barbarity and incompetence. You are more than just wrong in your posts. In many ways your posts resemble Russian tactics; – saturation… Read more »

Airborne
Airborne
21 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Not what you said about the Ukrainian army 3 months ago, we can all read your previous posts (would you like me to cut and paste a few again?), and your not relaying a different view you are promoting pro Putin aggression against an independent nation, with an invasion you refuse to condemn, you nobber.

Airborne
Airborne
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

And you know what has actually been going on over there then bell-end?

Quentin D63
Quentin D63
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

And who truly knows the whole picture of what’s going on there? Not you, not anybody! We’re all only as good as what we get fed through whatever media channels are available complete with bias, distortion and some obvious truths. I think Ukraine will overcome. They will it and most of world wills it. Russian leadership doesn’t have two moral legs to stand on which is no good for their forces they command or “mislead”. That’s good for Ukraine! If Russia can’t be knocked out then kicked out will have to do!

David Barry
David Barry
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Mel Gibson isn.t my favourite actor but his representation of an airborne Cav Bn fighting off Regts of Reg NVA with

“… hell boys, were going to win this one!”

Probably reflects the current exercise for the Ukr.s

Airborne
Airborne
21 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Oh dear, true feelings coming out now nonce boy! You do get agitated don’t you, what’s up, been threatened with being sent into battle in a 1960s armoured shed T62, unless you convince us all your gen and Russia, and Putin, are in the right here! Fucking arse wipe!

JohninMK
JohninMK
21 days ago
Reply to  Airborne

Why are you accusing me now of being gay? You really do come out with some ridiculous comments that bear no connection with what I write here. If you really want to know which country I’m in ask a Mod. If not just shut up and stop spouting the slander.

Airborne
Airborne
21 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Oh dear your understanding of English once again comes into question! Gotcha yet again!

JohninMK
JohninMK
21 days ago
Reply to  Airborne

Really? Should you really be posting that kind of slander against other posters here?

Nonce In the United Kingdom, nonce is a slang word for a sex offender or child sexual abuser. Although the term traditionally referred specifically to sex offenders, it later become a more general term of abuse approximately synonymous with “idiot”

Airborne
Airborne
21 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Just intrigued as you will not condemn murder, rape, looting and torture by Russian forces, just wondering if it’s something you have experience of? But as a 70 year plus person, as you claim, why did you not understand the word and have to lol in a dictionary? Oh dear caught out again, and while we are chatting any condemnation of Putins illegal invasion of Ukraine?

Crabfat
Crabfat
23 days ago

Slightly off-topic but interesting piece on Putin by BBC’s Sarah Rainsford today, re Putin promoting himself as a modern day Peter the Great. A good (if rather sinister) read.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61767191

Nick Cole
Nick Cole
23 days ago
Reply to  Crabfat

More like Vlad the Impaler!

John H
John H
23 days ago
Reply to  Nick Cole

Reports are he is very ill so hopefully we can soon call him Vlad the Inhaler.

Crabfat
Crabfat
23 days ago
Reply to  John H

Nick and John – thanks for your apt comments!

Airborne
Airborne
21 days ago
Reply to  John H

😝👍

Sean
Sean
23 days ago
Reply to  Crabfat

It’s not surprising, Putin’s decision to join the KGB was due to him fancying himself as Russian tv spy Max Otto von Stierlitz. It’s no surprise that as Russia’s leader he feels the need to model himself on someone such as Peter the Great.
Both show a fundamental insecurity about his own abilities and a need to prove himself.

Crabfat
Crabfat
23 days ago
Reply to  Sean

And Sean…

Sean
Sean
23 days ago
Reply to  Crabfat

No I don’t think he’s modelled any part of his life on me. Shame really, he would have caused less death and destruction, had more lovers, and generally had far more fun 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Crabfat
Crabfat
22 days ago
Reply to  Sean

😄😄😀!!!!

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
23 days ago
Reply to  Sean

One little problem with his military might tho. Putin think corruption is ok for him and his pals at the top. What he didn’t think was that corruption breeds more corruption. He takes a £10million on a vehicle deal for military. Defence secretary takes a mansion kick back, level under him takes £1million each. Kit ordered is sub par as the kick backs ensured the deal was not the best. The officers receiving the kit at barracks then sell some parts of it and swap good new tyres for cheap knockoffs, guys in the barracks grab what they can to… Read more »

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Sean
Sean
22 days ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

You’re absolutely right.

Corruption was rife in the USSR, but it was mostly limited to party officials due to the party’s authoritarian grip on the country. After the fall of Communism and the botched transition to free-market capitalism it exploded and became rampant.
And Putin has a great many connections with organised crime, going back to the days when he was the fixer for the mayor of St Petersburg after he was fired by the KGB.

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
23 days ago
Reply to  Crabfat

It’s an interesting read. Putin sees himself as the smartest and best person in the room. He always has been a weird guy. In putins eyes he turned Russia around from decline, strengthened and modernised the military and now his legacy should be put into place by using his superior leadership and military might to expand the Russian empire. In 300 years he expects everyone to be talking about “putin the great” and his statues to adorn the streets in the great new city of StPutinsberg.

Crabfat
Crabfat
22 days ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

Thanks MS. If Putin thinks he’s now got a ‘strengthened and modernised military’ then it hasn’t done at all well against ‘the mouse that roared’ (Ukraine). In reality, his modern forces are now reduced to carpet bombing to achieve their objectives. But then carpet bombing has always been a main wepon of Russian forces.
Slava Ukraini!

Jacko
Jacko
23 days ago

New guns on the way!

https://defence-blog.com/poland-signs-record-700m-howitzer-deal-with-ukraine/

interesting combo where are the turrets coming from?

Sean
Sean
23 days ago
Reply to  Jacko

The turrets are built in Poland but based on a technology transfer deal signed with what’s now BAE Systems and are based on the AS-90.
The South Koreans looked at the AS-90 turret design for the highly successful K9 Thunder but I don’t know how much technology transfer occurred for that.

Jacko
Jacko
23 days ago
Reply to  Sean

Thanks👍 So the question is why can’t we upgrade our AS 90s?

Armchair Admiral
Armchair Admiral
23 days ago
Reply to  Jacko

In three words….no political will.
There can’t be that much wrong with the AS90s that a thorough overhaul, longer barrel and new binoculars (or similar) would not sort.?
AA

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
23 days ago

Or put the gun/Krab turret on the current hulls. Might be cheaper/easier getting new hulls. Would it be worth using the M777 gun in the turret. Only if it is easy to change the gun part.
It would be a great thank you to Poland for their orders, ships, land ceptor, brimstone vehicle etc etc.

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Sean
Sean
23 days ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

I think keeping the turret and using the South Korean chassis would be better. That was where they made the biggest changes compared to the original AS-90;- they thought it’s turret was the best around and wanted to license it.

Personally I’d give all the AS-90’s to the Ukrainians and order like for like replacements from either Poland (Kraftwerk) or South Korea (K9 Thunder).

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Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
23 days ago
Reply to  Sean

Right now I think price is most important for the U.K. mod. That was my thinking behind the Polish turret on the current hulls of the hulls were good. If not the polish use the K9 hull.
€700m for 60 systems. €300m on M777.
The M777 is meant to be the most accurate system around. I think even 14-24 would be a really useful purchase. Chinook can carry it.

Watcherzero
Watcherzero
22 days ago
Reply to  Jacko

Another option is the wheeled BAE Archer out of its Bofors unit, very similar to the French Caesar design.

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
23 days ago
Reply to  Jacko

Hope they can get them ASAP. Seems a good price 700m for 60 systems. Presuming this will include the usual add ins some spares, manuals, shells etc etc.
Why the U.K. MOD doesn’t buy these I don’t know. Always got to buy the gold plated solution. Can even use the current hulls if they are in good shape and are all built to the exact same standards. Put the same gun/systems on a truck based system aswell or M777 systems.

JohninMK
JohninMK
22 days ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

Unless the Polish Army are prepared to sell or loan more of their own systems as part of this order early delivery seems unlikely. Systems like this are made to order and, as we know from our own orders, lead times can be very long, usually years not even months.

Dern
Dern
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Can you maybe state that Putin’s invasion is inhumane?

Sean
Sean
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Hey war-criminal, are you going to admit you lied about Putin not going to invade Ukraine?

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

That is an issue but war makes things move faster. I’m happy for the U.K. to give half our artillery and rocket systems if more have been ordered.

Airborne
Airborne
21 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Any condemnation of Putins illegal invasion of Ukraine yet? Are you sad and embarrassed that a bunch of levied conscripts are handing your russkie rapist mil there arses?

Paul.P
Paul.P
23 days ago

Whats the likely-hood of the Ukrainians cutting the Russian ammunition supply lines?

JohninMK
JohninMK
22 days ago
Reply to  Paul.P

In the area north of Izyum possibly but they haven’t had much impact yet and no doubt they tried. On the front in general fairly close to zero, there are too many supply routes, both road and rail.

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

I wouldn’t say zero. It’s tough call to hit supply lines far behind lines. Can russia keep pulling manpower and munitions etc? Would the majority of Russians be willing to fight in Ukraine?

Airborne
Airborne
21 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Any condemnation of Putins illegal invasion of Ukraine yet?

DaveyB
DaveyB
21 days ago
Reply to  Paul.P

That’s one thing that has surprised me. Now they have pushed Russia out of their country near Kherson, Belgorad is within artillery/rocket distance. It is being used as major hub for Russian rail and road logistics, plus the airbase there is used for ground attack aircraft.

Ukraine have done a few cross border raids. But as they are fighting for their existence, I’m still surprised they haven’t done more.

Paul.P
Paul.P
21 days ago
Reply to  DaveyB

Can only be because the US has said no more x border strikes.

JohninMK
JohninMK
21 days ago
Reply to  DaveyB

I think you may mean Kharkov not Kherson.

DaveyB
DaveyB
21 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Yes, my bad.

JohninMK
JohninMK
21 days ago
Reply to  DaveyB

The Russians have now pushed back in, reversing many of those gains, a counter counter assault so to speak.

DaveyB
DaveyB
21 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

I would say Belgorad is a weak spot for Russia and both sides recognize that. Once Ukraine gets
MLRS/HIMARS and teams it with TB2. They can knock out the airfield and rail hub surgically.

This is possibly one of the reasons Russia is pushing hard again for Kherson. But to get out of MLRS range they will have push Ukrainian forces back some 30 miles from the border to make sure Belgorad is safe from attack. I guess it will depend on what rockets NATO provides with the MLRS!

David A
David A
23 days ago

Russian definition of precision = <8 miles accuracy and preferably in the same country.

Sean
Sean
23 days ago
Reply to  David A

correction, “same continent” 😉

Christopher Allen
Christopher Allen
23 days ago

Just saw on that the Ukranians are claiming they are running out of Artillery shells. NATO and the West needs to start pulling its finger out, especially now Putin has literally confirmed this war is an imperialistic land grab.

The complete desire to do little as possible in the West has now even emboldened China to directly threaten war to the US if Taiwan officially declared independence. We could be heading for some dark times.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61764008

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-61768875

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Watcherzero
Watcherzero
22 days ago

Off Topic, but Spanish news reporting Egypt is about to place a 10bn Euro order with Italy for a package of weapons including:
4 more general purpose FREMM frigates, (Though this might also be exercising the two remaining contracted options for a total of four)
A spy sat,
24 Eurofighters from the Italian production line,
20 M346 jet trainers, and
20 patrol boats

Egypt finalizes a $10 billion purchase from Italy that includes 24 Eurofighter fighters (infodefensa.com)

DaveyB
DaveyB
21 days ago
Reply to  Watcherzero

Doesn’t say what version of Typhoon they’re buying. It’s interesting that they have decided to have both Rafale and Typhoon, wonder why? Where the Typhoon is clearly superior to the Rafale don’t you know!

Paul.P
Paul.P
21 days ago
Reply to  DaveyB

Italian jobs are worth more than French job. -:)
Kudos to the Italian sales guys. Constellation to the US then this package to Egypt.

Steve
Steve
22 days ago

I would guess Russia used up a lot of their stockpile on Syria and the various other wars they have been involved in recently. It does feel like it’s now a race against the clock for Russia, if they can’t achieve their objectives by the end of the month, or they face being outgunned by all the new equipment coming in to Ukraine.

I wonder how many days of high intensity warfare the UK miltiary could keep going with its stockpiles.

JohninMK
JohninMK
22 days ago
Reply to  Steve

Compared to what is going over the eastern border of Ukraine the amount going over the western border is a drop in the ocean. Further the Russians are shipping fully integrated ‘stuff’ whilst the Ukrainians are having to make do with and train on gear much of which is very different to what they use now. You guess that Russia has used up a lot of their stockpile, I guess that they are replacing it nearly as fast as they are using it. There is no race against the clock, it could be the reverse in that Russia might be… Read more »

Steve
Steve
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

It’s not going to be that easy for Russia to replace stuff, as it has been discovered a lot of their gear relies on US made chips. Ok im sure they will still get access to these via China which ultimately manufactures them, but not in the quantity they may need.

Farouk
Farouk
22 days ago
Reply to  Steve

Steve wrote:

It’s not going to be that easy for Russia to replace stuff, as it has been discovered a lot of their gear relies on US made chips. Ok im sure they will still get access to these via China which ultimately manufactures them, but not in the quantity they may need.

Very interesting read on the very subject from the Guardian:

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Jacko
Jacko
22 days ago
Reply to  Farouk

All the cars and parts are needed for the drive to Poland next week 😉

Sean
Sean
22 days ago
Reply to  Steve

Actually Taiwan has the most advanced silicon manufacturing around, and it’s already said it’s not supplying Russia with anything remotely decent. China will be wary of supplying chips that are then recovered from dud Russian missiles.

Steve
Steve
22 days ago
Reply to  Sean

True but it’s Chinese chips that were found in the hardware I believe. They were common chips can are used in all sorts of products, which makes them very hard to control supply of. But like you said firms will be extra cautious as they won’t want to be added to sanction lists.

Simon
Simon
22 days ago
Reply to  Steve

Loads of counterfeit IC’s floating around in China. Often which partly work, but are no good if you need the full functionality of the IC

JohninMK
JohninMK
21 days ago
Reply to  Simon

One of our customers bought some around 10 years ago and whilst they looked perfect there was nothing inside.

JohninMK
JohninMK
21 days ago
Reply to  Steve

The US makes very few semi conductors but does own a lot of IP. Russian firms, like almost everyone one else, used TSMC in Taiwan to make their designs but that source has now stopped. Again, like everyone else, they are probably large users of Arm based processors, it is these that are perhaps the basis of stripping washing machines for semi conductors. Russia does have a couple of manufacturers but they are still on 65nm technology, which may be enough for their military.

Steve
Steve
21 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

If you look at UK military smart weapons, they are all at least a decade old and likely 2 decades or older, if you look at when they were designed. 65mm was probably a dream at the time. Especially when you consider that with stuff that is mission critical you don’t use cutting edge, as you don’t want the bugs.

It would be interesting to know how much of military gear uses off the shelf chips and how much is actually custom stuff. Its the custom stuff that will be difficult to get.

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JohninMK
JohninMK
21 days ago
Reply to  Steve

Exactly the point I try to make, but you put better. Apart from sensor input circuits I would think that much of it is standard, you get a better tested component that way. Almost certainly there will be FPGA and ASICs but they are generally standard chips that a unique configuration is loaded into which makes them ‘custom’ at a user not component supplier level, a bit like firmware. Given the Russians space program, without access to Western products and before TSMC, it would be sensible to assume a very high degree of computing capability there. On the military side… Read more »

Simon
Simon
20 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

No, that is why you have commercial, industry and military ranges

Simon
Simon
20 days ago
Reply to  Steve

Mil spec IC, so very unlikely to be off the shelf. Also processes etc are binned for speed and the best one often keep for military use.

Sean
Sean
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Hey war-criminal, are you going to admit you lied about Putin not invading Ukraine?

Airborne
Airborne
21 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

FFS you are such an obvious nazi troll it’s not even in doubt for the most casual observer! Do you get excited when you see your Russkie nazis killing civvies or illegal occupy another’s land?

Christopher Allen
Christopher Allen
22 days ago

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-61768875

Just saw this. Not particularly surprising. The US and NATO doing nothing directly in Ukraine has no doubt emboldened China and given them the impression that the US won’t defend Taiwan as claimed. If I was Japan or South Korea, I would be greatly worried and start increasing defence spending. The US seriously need to step up the rhetoric a bit, they are being made to look like a wuss.

Marked
Marked
22 days ago

Won’t happen while they have a scared old man in the white house. Can’t go around upsetting an aggressor you know, that would be ww3.

Frank62
Frank62
22 days ago
Reply to  Marked

Agreed, though a bit better than Putin-clone trump. We failed |Ukraine massively by declaring(US & UK) we’d not intervene militarily just before Russia invaded. How NOT to deter aggression!

Sean
Sean
22 days ago

The US just said recently they assist Taiwan. China if anything is worried about the kind of economic backlash that Russia is currently taking from the West.

Christopher Allen
Christopher Allen
22 days ago
Reply to  Sean

It’s not all that bad for Russia, they getting more income now then before the sanctions.

And come on. So we are expected to believe that US will “militarily intervene” if China invades Taiwan all whilst the US won’t lead any NATO offensive action to help Ukraine defend against Russia? The may provide Taiwan with some weapon systems and all that, but I doubt they would directly involved of what Biden claims.

Frank62
Frank62
22 days ago

Most major FE nations have been very awake & heavily investing in expanding their armed forces for a decade or more, seeing PLAs vast expansion for the dire threat it is. It’s us in the West who need to wake up & smell the coffee, rather than the death wish of more cuts every year.

John Williams
John Williams
22 days ago

Russia ‘running out’ of precision weapons? Really?
I think that Russia has reserved precision weapons in case of a war with NATO.

Uninformed Civvy Lurker
Uninformed Civvy Lurker
22 days ago
Reply to  John Williams

I don’t buy that. It’s like the often mentioned “he is saving his best troops” argument. To draw comparisons to WW2, this would be like the Nazis invading Poland with the aim of Blitzing the country, getting a bloody nose, giving up on trying to capture Warsaw, deciding to just annex a couple of cities and area near their border and then getting bogged down in WW1 trench warfare to gain inches daily. They wouldn’t then be launching a lightning strike through the Low Countries and onto Paris after that – even if Hitler had kept his best Panzers and… Read more »

Steve
Steve
22 days ago

It would be interesting to know how the war would have played out if Russia hadn’t underestimated Ukraine and sent their best gear at the start and had a plan for logistics. It seems that early on, Russia had the advantage based on how far they got without all their heavy gear, best troops and supplies. The overestimatation gave ukraine time to regroup and form defensive lines which ultimate led to Russia being defeated in their initial push and losing so much gear, that it doesnt’ look like Russia is now capable of winning. At this point they are throwing… Read more »

Steve
Steve
22 days ago
Reply to  Steve

Equally the west don’t appear to be manufacturing new stuff for Ukraine in any quantity, so the ‘gifts’ will no doubt soon run out, as nations don’t want to weaken their own defenses.

Farouk
Farouk
22 days ago
Reply to  Steve

Steve wrote: It would be interesting to know how the war would have played out if Russia hadn’t underestimated Ukraine and sent their best gear at the start and had a plan for logistics. That’s a topic that will be discussed for many years to come, personally I feel that Moscow did send its best to strike at Kyiv in which to deal a knock outblow to the Ukrainian government and end the conflict before it even started in the mistaken belief that the Ukraine not only couldn’t but wouldn’t fight. Things started to go all Pete tong for Moscow… Read more »

Steve
Steve
22 days ago
Reply to  Farouk

I hadn’t realised they had got as far as parliament.

It wasn’t that they didn’t send their best forces, as they sent their elite para troops etc but what they didn’t send was their heavy gear early on, instead sending troops in lightly armored vehicles, which was where the under estimation was. It would have been like us sending just the SAS against the Argentina defenders during the Falklands, it would have gone badly wrong.

JohninMK
JohninMK
22 days ago
Reply to  John Williams

I agree. The Russians have barely used the RuAF so huge amounts of their munitions, precision and dumb, will still be in stock. The same with the RuN. As to the RuA, It looks like currently they are using around 100k, if so then at least twice that is held in reserve, mind you it looks like some of it is not actually in reserve but being cycled through Ukraine. By the time this is over Russia will have the most heavily trained military in near peer to peer combat on the planet. They must be getting worried in Brussels.… Read more »

Watcherzero
Watcherzero
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

The depth of the reserves are questionable with the T62M now being seen in action, this is like a 5th tier tank originally built 60 years ago, last modernized 40 years ago then all put into storage 20 years ago. Its equivalent in battlefield combat capability to Britain suddenly pulling out of storage and deploying Conquerors.

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Steve
Steve
22 days ago
Reply to  Watcherzero

Yeah no question that Russia is running out of stuff to throw at the meat grinder, its not just the t62’s they are moving up but also all the make shift armour etc we are seeing, they just don’t have the equipment. Russia’s tactic have been found massively wanting and it seems to prefer chucking gear at the problem and hoping to outnumber the issue, which worked in ww2, but isnt’ working so well for them this time around. Instead this time they are sufferingly massive loss to their more advanced gear and losing a lot of their command structure.… Read more »

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Farouk
Farouk
22 days ago
Reply to  Watcherzero

I’d still put my money on the Conqueror (Picture taken at the back of the armoured hall at RAF Duxford)
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Paul T
Paul T
21 days ago
Reply to  Farouk

Excellent pic thanks,looking at the Road Wheels it has a touch of T64 about it.

Jacko
Jacko
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

You just get better and better 🙄

Steve
Steve
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

The russian air force hasnt’ been used because as found in Syria, they had to rely on dumb bombs and that means flying lower than planes with standoff smart missiles. Flying lower has meant they have been easy picking for ground based air defences. They aren’t holding back the air force because its not needed, they are holding it back because they know it would be a waste of time sending it forward.

Uninformed Civvy Lurker
Uninformed Civvy Lurker
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

They aren’t that worried in Brussels as they are digging trenches in fields around Flanders and the French are rebuilding The Maginot Line in anticipation of the type of warfare Russia is getting experience in.

Posse Comitatus
Posse Comitatus
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

“…… the most heavily trained military in near peer to peer combat…..” Ha ha ha. Even allowing for your levels of Putin fanboy delusion, that’s a laughable statement. Whenever this is over, Russia will be utterly diminished, its military exhausted and spent, reliant on conscripts, mercenaries, obsolete equipment and China. Over the past 3 months it has demonstrated not one iota of skill in combined arms or combat manoeuvring. All it does is saturation artillery attacks on population centres, reducing them to rubble and moves on. Somehow claiming warcrimes as some form of liberation or victory. If anything, I think… Read more »

Sean
Sean
22 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Hey war criminal, are you going to admit you were either wrong, or lied, about Putin invading Ukraine?

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
22 days ago