UK aids Ukraine with delivery of counter-explosive gear

Surely we are buying more than 5!

The contract was for 5 total systems. I don’t know the exact make up of a system but normally it would be something like 1-2 radar vehicles, a command module, power module, 4-8 SAM launchers, reload truck etc etc.
I think the 250m is a good price and they could hopefully get another 3 systems for around £100m.
I don’t know the build time but an order for an extra 5-8 systems would be a great purchase. Give 5 to Ukraine and they can return them when they are finished with them.

Thanks.
The British Army (Royal Artillery) operated Rapier Fire Units and also took over the RAF Regiment’s FUs many years ago. Total of 124 FUs bought by UK.

I hope 124 systems have not been replaced by just 5, no matter how much better they are! I’m joking – I am sure there will be many follow-on orders.

We do not have 5 of the new systems to spare even if we order a handful more – build time would be many, many months or possibly a year or more. We either see if we could refurbish some of our Rapiers and supply them – or else it is down to another counrtry to supply anti-air systems.

There is a possibility that you could marry the CAMM missile with the Rapier Dagger and Blindfire radar along with the electro-optic IR sensor. Which depend on know many units were not broken ip and scrapped.

CAMM in particular is radar agnostic. It can use pretty much any 3D search radar for its initial guidance and get it pointing to an intercept point. Whereby its own active radar can take over. So long as it has its data-link for mid-course corrections it should be relatively easy to integrate the two together.

The main issue with using the Rapier’s sensors, is that CAMM can out distance the search radar, ie greater than 25km.

What about using ASRAAM as a ground launched missile? If you can use Sidewinder and Iris-T, what is stopping ASRAAM from being used? ASRAAM uses a similar rocket motor to CAMM. The main difference is ASRAAM does not have the tail mounted reaction jets. So when ground launched it will follow a ballistic path, which also means for a vertical launch it will have a much bigger minimum engagement range compared to CAMM. Unless it was installed in a trainable launcher like NASAMS.

ASRAAM is now at the Block 6 standard. MBDA state the upgrade was to remove obsolescence, which is partially true. But they have also said that they upgraded the IR sensor with higher resolution, but crucially made it in the UK, so no ITAR issues.

The original sensor is used in Sidewinder, so we know it was pretty good. With high resolution, it will give the sensor a much better contrast ratio. So the definition of targets will be clearer. Which is great for a ground launched weapon that is looking at the sky.

So here’s a quick a dirty air defence system that could be made fairly quickly. Take the Rapier’s two radars, its EO sensor and fire control unit. Wire in a 1553 databus. Attach a couple of ASRAAM to the launch rails. Making a weapon system significantly better than the original Rapier, with longer reach and missiles that are significantly faster and more capable.

Thanks for the answer Davey. Are you proposing such ad hoc systems to boost the UK’s meagre figure of 5 Sky Sabres or to supply the Ukrainians?

I just might be, stranger things have happened. I think as a Country we fail to exploit what we already have for other uses.

The last Field Standard C Rapier had a really good search and tracking radar, along with a thermal imager. Even though the radars were both the older generation of mechanically scanned radars. They both had had pretty good resolution and clutter rejection. By modern standards they lacked the up to date signal processing that Sky Sabre uses.

If Rapier’s radars are predominantly being used for just threat searching and not tracking. Then getting an ASRAAM pointing in the right direction to allow its IR sensor to track, should not be a major hurdle. It’s no different to how an aircraft slaves the missile seeker to its radar. The ASRAAM’s ECU is more than capable of determining if a threat is valid or not from what its thermal camera sees. Especially if it’s being backed up with Rapier’s thermal optics.

Now where is Ben Wallace’s address?

The UK’s lack of ground based air defence is indeed quite strange. We haven’t had long range SAMs for a very long time, and although sky sabre is a capable system, it’s hardly able to fulfil the same set of missions as Patriot or S-400. This may be a result of air superiority giving us all a false sense of security, but both the French and Americans have put more into this capability than we have. For the Russians it’s actually doctrinal: their war plans have revolves around strong SAMs for decades.

How much would it really cost to get a land based version of Aster 30? Probably very little, considering other European countries already made one

I remember being driven as a kid down ‘Bloodhound alley’, the A1.

France and Italy have bought land based aster systems so prices are available. I can’t remember how much they paid.
It’s priorities and land based sams above short range haven’t been needed.
They can’t stop all incoming weapons and are vulnerable to a capable military

Your looking at around $500 million per battery for SAMP/T.

I very much think it’s a capability we need but I would rather see us begin to develop a son of SAMPSON radar for it that could then be rolled in to the type 83 program.

So it would be a UK radar using Aster missiles, the Italians do something similar.

considering the heavily spending on AD, there seem to be quite a few Ukrainian drones making it to Russian airfields. Which make you think what Nato cruise missiles would do

The RuAF seems to have been relying on its SHORAD systems to counter these random attacks. In this it has been pretty successful. Why this limitation on themselves we don’t know. A favoured possibility is that it doesn’t want to expose more than it absolutely needs to, of its medium and long range systems, given the US/NATO INTEL systems listening and watching.

Were there to be a NATO attack no doubt both ground and air AD assets would be fully deployed. Certainly when a pair of UkAF Su-27 attacked Russia proper a couple of months ago they were chased home by S-300 missiles and destroyed near their home airfields about 200km away.

I find it unlikely that they (the Russians) have not deployed there air defence systems now. Engels air base is a long way in side Russia and has I believe been hit twice.

JIMK wrote regards UAV strikes on Russian airfields

“The RuAF seems to have been relying on its SHORAD systems to counter these random attacks. In this it has been pretty successful.””

Are you sure? Seeing as there have been numerous very successful attacks on Russian airfields by the Ukraine using drones and Ballistic missiles, For example Engels 2 was struck on the 5th and 28th of December resulting in Moscow dispersing the aircraft based there to outlier airfields. Millerovo was struck on the 25th Feb 2022
We saw similar in the Crimea and at least 2 captured airfields inside the Ukraine.  Chornobaivka and Melitopol which forced the Russians to relocate their assets.
JIMK wrote:

“”A favoured possibility is that it doesn’t want to expose more than it absolutely needs to, of its medium and long range systems, given the US/NATO INTEL systems listening and watching.””

 
A little confused by how you state that Moscow hasn’t turned on its S400 , S300 systems simply because they don’t want NATO to garner their operating frequencies, which fails to take into account that NATO operates the S300 system and that the S400 system has been operating inside Syria  since 2015. A system which just happens to be operating 117 miles from the British army listening base in Ayios Nikolaos, which in turn is backed up by the domes at RAF Troodos and the many aircraft the RAF have flown out of RAF Akrotiri. and lets not forget that those assets would have been operating on overdrive during the Western Missile strikes on Syria and the many incidents when the IDF have decided to hit iranian assets inside Syria.

“The RuAF seems to have been relying on its SHORAD systems to counter these random attacks. In this it has been pretty successful.”

Do you really believe any of this?

Oh dear your back with your desperation and nonsense! The only successful thing about the whole Nazi invasion of Ukraine is to show to the west how wrong we were to be worried about the Russian bear (piss stained, badly injured, sticky fur cat more like) for the last 50 years.

JIMK wrote:

“I suspect that the West’s superiority in aircraft-based defence and attack systems, that have worked very well for the past 30+ years, has lulled it into a false sense of security. This puts it in a difficult position when trying to assist an ally that is facing a peer enemy, Russia.””

 
I personally cant see that seeing as the Western European nations own a most impressive range of AAA systems, the most modern of which are cutting edge tech:
Long range:
The following countries operate the Patriot Missile System:
Germany
Romania
Holland
Spain
Greece
Poland has it on order
France and Italy operate the very impressive SAMP/T

Medium range:
The following countries operate the HAWK missile system:
Spain (Already supplied to Ukraine)
Sweden
Greece
Romania

Italy and Spain operate the Skyguard/Aspide missile system which have been handed over to Ukraine

IRIS-T
Germany and Sweden

NASAMS
Norway, Sweden, Holland, Lithuania, Spain and Finland.

Sky Sabre
UK
 
Short range:
Mistral
Starstreak
Grom
Piorun
RBS 70
Martlet
Gepard 
Stinger

As you can see, the West operates a four layer system of air defence consisting of:
Air top cover
Long range mssiles
Medium range missiles
Short range missiles

of which they have supplied the Ukraine with most of the above and which have apprantly done extremily well (looks at IRIS-T,NASAMS,Grom and Piorun, Martlet.)

The trouble for the Russian Air force is that the Russian military targeted its spending in AD so much that a major threat to Russian pilots is being downed by their own AD units such is their incompetence in operating their own systems.

Your first paragraph makes no sense! Why would it place the west in a difficult position and where has the Russian defence spending been targeted? Not into AD assets it seems, more like into the pockets of every wanker in the dirty Nazi uniform above Captain!!! You do post less propaganda since the Russian Nazis are continuing to lose, but what you still post still has a whiff of Nazi shit about it.

I know what Germany and France have given. Both have had to have it dragged out of them. Germany is bigger than UK anyway and what it has promised is not necessarily what has bern delivered. I think Kiel Institute has the figures etc. As for France yes it has given somd artillery but so has UK – and s log more plus shells etc. France also supplied the Russian army post Donbas (2014) with thermal imaging sights for their tanks. I’ll let you decide what to think of that.

I was just replying to u saying about the hangers on and that the countries mentioned should be doing more.
I think French companies sold kit to whoever would buy it. They are both the only people to have sold military equipment to questionable countries.
Best thing about us all being allies is even countries giving a little adds up to a lot

And these it appears. Buy one get one free!

“The photos show the fold out wings and advancer sensors that help navigate the missile towards two targets, before it splits into two submunitions and strikes multiple targets. The projectile is likely supplied by France to be fired by the Cesar self-propelled howitzers that were sent to Ukraine last year.”

Ukraine LIVE: ‘Bonus’ tank missiles deployed to destroy two Russian tanks with one shot (msn.com)

France has also decided to provide AMX-10 RC AFV to UKR. Uncertain re capability and utility of vehicle–outside my wheelhouse.

I saw that this morning. Ukraine really is a melting pot of vehicles. It has a 105mm gun and machine gun. Whatever keeps them safe just now.
I think countries should start lending kit to Ukraine and get back what’s left when the fighting is over as Ukraine won’t need all of it.
So things like Bradley’s, CV90, warrior etc etc. MBT and anything else they need right now.

Lend-Lease II?

Yeh, saw that this morning. Also read the US will supply Bradley vehicles and Germany will supply Marder IFVs. Good decisions, good stuff.
if you put on a pair of rose tinted spectacles you could think of the AMX-10 as a light tank; it does have a 105mm gun. But it is wheeled and VERY light …half the mass of a T72. Ukraine really needs those Leopards to be confident of retaking the Russian defensive positions I think.

You have to be joking…🙄

Good points but rapid thrusts don’t seem to figure in the current Russian plan which may be, as you suggest, down to the UA’s possession of those weapon systems. The Kharkiv front doesn’t appear to be a Russian priority, they seem to be concentrating on liberating Donbas by inching forward, attracting in more UA reserves for decimation by artillery.

JIMK wrote:

“”The Kharkiv front doesn’t appear to be a Russian priority””

Actually, it’s a much bigger front than people presume. The Sept Ukrainian offensive halted at the Oskil river. It’s a natural defensive line one Moscow should have had no problem defending and yet 3 months down the line not only has Moscow failed to hold the line, it has lost approx  20 miles to the east of the entire length of the Oskil with Ukrainie  threatening all the towns and cities along the P66 highway (which became the main supply line from Russia into occupied Ukraine after the Kharkiv offensive. Its quite clear that the Ukrainians objective is the city of Starobil’s’k (another 40 miles east) which not only would force Russian supply lines to relocate much further east, but it would place pressure on the entire Russian position around Severodonetsk and Lysychans’k. Something we are already seeing with the bun fight just north of them both around Kreminna. That is why Moscow has deployed (as mentioned before) between 23 to 27 BTGs and has tried to push back the Ukrainians around Svatove (the problem there is, the Ukrainians hold all the highground)
Now here’s where it becomes very interesting with such a high number of Russian BTGs in the area, you are going to find a large number of parking lots and such harbour areas are the ideal target for the German M32 SMArt Missile which can be launched from the M270 and M142 HIMARS. The M2 SMart contains 4 very intelligent smart munitions which are designed to target different armoured vehicles underneath them , meaning 1 salvo of 12 rounds has the potential to wipe out the entire fighting element of an entire BTG. Which if such an event transpired would open up the door to Starobil’s’k overnight.

As you say, a very interesting area strategically and definitely one to watch. Thanks.

Also if the M32 SMArt missiles appear in Ukraine. Am I correct in thinking that it is only the upgraded German M270 that can fire them or were all NATO units including HIMARS converted?

The round sounds similar to the 15 kg (70 mm RHA armor-piercing) self guiding munitions that are loaded 5 up on various Russian rockets.

JIMK wrote

“”Am I correct in thinking that it is only the upgraded German M270 that can fire them or were all NATO units including HIMARS converted?””

The Germans designed the missile so it can be used by any M270 or M142 , which is the main design feature of the M270 system, that said as per the EU mindset the European fire control system fitted to German, French and Italian M270s will not fire any munition which contains anti personal mines
JIMK wrote:

“The round sounds similar to the 15 kg (70 mm RHA armor-piercing) self-guiding munitions that are loaded 5 up on various Russian rockets.”

The above is the 9M532 rocket which sports 20 x 6.7 kg self-guiding (Infrared) munitions capable of penetrating up to 70mm of armour

The 9M533 rocket sports 5 x 17.3 kg self-guiding munitions capable of penetrating up to 120mm of armour  

Thanks, I thought that the Germans had to upgrade their M270’s software to fire them.

JIMK wrote:

“” they seem to be concentrating on liberating Donbas by inching forward, attracting in more UA reserves for decimation by artillery.””

And at a stroke you expose the failure of Moscow to cut short its invasion of the Ukraine despite it overall superiority in every field bar ‘common sense’. On that note it has been reported that Moscow which was expending up to 80K rounds a day is now down to 20k. In order to make up the shortfall, it has drained the stocks of Belarus (and no doubt other CIS states) there has been talk of them going cap in hand to North Korea and it explains why Russian forces have started using MBT as indirect artillery. But the problem there is tube wear where a Tank Barrel can fire between 100 to 200 rounds before needing replacing with an arty piece which can fire up to 2000 to 7000 rounds.
Finally what do you mean by claiming Moscow is liberating the Donbas, no it isn’t  Moscow has no right to be inside the Ukraine, it is an invading nation , the only people liberating anything are the Ukrainians. 

The facts of constant partisan activities in all Russian held areas of Ukraine versus basically none in Ukrainian held areas or even newly liberated areas speaks for itself.
I saw interviews with people in Crimea who said they welcomed the Russians in 2014 but after 7 years they now had changed their minds. All the changes they were promised never came and the thugs took charge and use violence and threats to line there pockets.
Russia has been telling its newer troops its the polish with nato support invading Ukraine and Ukraine needs Russia’s help.

Sorry for the delayed response.

I get the feeling that many here view the attack on Ukraine as all that the Russians have planned. I don’t, I agree with the view that it is part of a strategy to break the US’s hegemony and create a multipolar world. Maybe at the start they thought that their superiority as you say would lead them to a rapid success with little damage an death. That clearly was not the plan of the US so we are where we are. It may be now that, as part of the revised plan, the move into Ukraine is to last a long time.

As to ammo stocks, maybe they don’t need as much now as they did as there are fewer or more compact targets or that their artillery drone target spotting systems have significantly improved. Not sure of the first but the second is definitely the case, their abilities have vastly improved.

Looking at MBT use I’d say that they were being used as they should be, close in support of assaulting infantry hiting bunkers and the like. Perhaps you have but I haven’t seen any recent successful use of either Javelin or NLAWS or any other ATM that might prevent them.

One reason why the World’s muted or even supportive reaction outside the West to the Russian move could be related to them going into Ukraine under the protection of Articles in the UN Charter as opposed to the West’s Rules Based Order. On a similar note, can I assume you must be totally against the US in Syria?

OMG you are so funny! We all know you have a set agenda to push, but even so your so funny with your garbage! And now your an expert in tank warfare! So it’s the US fault then? Pooptin had nothing to do with it!!!!!! Hilarious, sad but hilarious.

@JohninMK why don’t you move to Russia, if it’s so fantastic? If, as you claim, you live in the UK.

Fighting, combined arms warfare, skill set, experience, knowledge and logistics and soldering also doesn’t seem to be in the current Russian plan.

Come on johnskie respond to Farouks posts and back up your own comments and thought process! Sigh, he’s back, alas and as weak and spoon fed as before!

Oh dear 😂😂

Arse, hand, hand this is arse 😂👍

I’m not sure that Ukraine could be regarded as sovereign anymore as its financing has been taken over mainly by the US and to a small extent by the EU and IMF.

So that’s your self justification for the invasion? Very weak very weak indeed!

Oh my oh my, you’ve been sniffed out troll bot! Farouk clocked you a while back now Cymbeline has clocked you on other websites, one bring a pro Nazi/Russia fan boy site where you are pushing the same Pooptin fetish shit!

Interesting that I read a week back from an American commentator, trying to put it into perspective given the enormous financial headline figures, explain how the overwhelming amount of kit the US supplies is surplus, or soon to be surplus weaponary. Even the M-777 was about to be radically reduced in service numbers with the Marines even if that may change now. Seems the priority was to transfer unwanted and/or outdated items or otherwise the odd more modern stuff in lesser amounts to test how they perform in representative conflict conditions. So the mouthwatering costs quoted aren’t quite what the paper value suggests. Not that that means they aren’t immensely useful to Ukraine but just suggests there are other underlying factors here that prevent the US supplying all that’s needed in the numbers needed with excuses like the ‘time and complexity’ in getting Ukrainian military trained to use them to a degree at least a cover for other motivations.

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What they have undoubtedly concluded so far in their analysis is how inept, incompetent, corrupt, untrained and useless the Russian military is.

On the one hand, if that were correct it doesn’t say much for the UA’s much vaunted NATO supported abilities given their lack of progress eastwards over the past couple of months. Whilst on the other, the Russians targeted destruction of Ukraine’s electricity generating and distribution capabilities seems miraculous for a ‘incompetent’ ‘useless’ military.

What is miraculous is that the Russian air force have not dominated Ukraine’s air space since day one of the war against 79 outdated UAF Mig 29s , Russia the military joke meme of the world 😂😂😂 go join your fellow Orcs johnski and fertilize the Ukraine fields.

No miracle possible. The Mig29/ SU-27s/Su-25s may be ‘outdated’ but they are still very effective weapon delivery systems especially in a country the size of Ukraine. You also fail to take into account the very capable and large UA AD system, chunks of which are still operative. The very mobile Buk especially, when fed by NATO derived targeting data, looks particularly deadly. A perfect shoot and scoot weapon.

The RuAF appear to be running their Su-35 as CAP staying behind the front lines but still giving quite good protection out to about 150 miles, forcing UkAF aircraft to fly low into sub 10,000ft range AD missiles.

JIMK wrote:

“” The very mobile Buk especially, when fed by NATO derived targeting data, looks particularly deadly..””

From what I have read , the Ukrainians have set up an online battleboard (based on Amazon servers no less) where any sighting of an aircraft , drone or missile can be reported via app, phone, computer it has proven to very effective in warming AAA assets of incoming. 
https://i.postimg.cc/ZYrCcb15/Opera-Snapshot-2023-01-03-233853-www-theguardian-com.png

You’re completely wrong again. Not surprising really. Progress eastwards, would that include the re – taking of Kharkiv Oblast? Kherson? The encircling of Kremina? The repulsing of every Russian assault on Bakhmut ? It says even less for the Russian military that 10 months on and over 100 000 casualties later, for a military that modelled itself on deep strikes, it has barely moved 40 miles from its borders. Remember your predictions in early February about Russia rolling up to the Polish border in mere days?. Do remind us how that went.

Oh, and slamming cruise missiles and drones into largely undefended civilian infrastructure isn’t the hallmark of a modern, competent and well led military. It’s the mark of desperation by a Russian high command that has been out thought and out fought on every sphere of the battlefield. Even in that area Russia’s faltering, more and more of their missiles and drones are shot down, their attacks on Ukrainian electricity hasn’t had the effects they desired. Attacking and murdering civilians is the only aspect that Russia has been setting any kind of benchmark in.

You must be such a proud fan boy.

We can argue as to why they were necessary but tactical withdrawals as per Karkiv/Kherson are a valid tactic. In the latter Russia pulled 20k troops plus 5k vehicles out with virtually no losses. Not sure re your Kremina comment, 5 days ago our UK MoD was saying that RA was reinforcing its positions there. Both Bakhmut and Soledar are under serious attack now on their flanks. The slow Russian strategy is to try to minimise their casualties, the estimates on which, like the Ukraine’s figures, are guesswork and might be higher.

Infrastrucure was from memory one of the first and prime targets in both Iraq and Libya by what I assume you would call the USAF and FAF/RAF etc “modern, competent and well led military”. The only difference I can see is that the Russians didn’t hit them in the first few days and killed few civilians, sorry ‘collateral damage’ in doing so. The objective, achieved by those very efficient forces was clearly to send the countries back to the Middle Ages, that doesn’t appear to be Russia’s in Ukraine.

No desperation I can see, just a decision to reduce the UA’s ability to move stuff around by crippling the railway network.

Of course more are shot down, militaries learn and change tactics, plus get more and different weapons. But the Russians have too, sending in waves, with the first wave intended to activate defending AD, which it did a few days ago when the RuAF knocked out 4 S-300 radars.

JIMK wrote:

“”Tactical withdrawals as per Karkiv/Kherson are a valid tactic. In the latter Russia pulled 20k troops plus 5k vehicles out with virtually no losses.””

 
That’s a very interesting version of what actually transpired and the reason I can state that. is at the time news and reports coming out of Russia revealed that the Russian forces (yes Russian and not the separatists as was post event reported) were caught completely by surprise , resulting in a total rout.
the Kharkiv offensive began on the 6th of September ended 7 days later on the 12th over that 5 day period, Ukraine advanced up to 70 miles. At the start they hit the city of Balakliia which held until the 12th, it held because Moscow choppered in elite airborne reinforcements , but because the Ukrainians didn’t centre their entire effort on one town (as the Russians have done against Bahkmut) they left behind a small force to hold the Russian forces there and kept on moving, leaving the Russians there isolated Once the battle for the city was over, the Ukrainians came across the local Russian HQ still in place with all the documents needed to operate a HQ still in place This was a treasure trove of information for the Ukrainians, which as a HQ should have been destroyed at the first sign of the Ukrainian advance.
Not only that but as Balakliia was the region HQ, it was also a supply dump for the local area and instead of destroying it the Russians left it behind, the same situation arose in other towns and cities such as Lyman and Izyum. The latter was been used as a mass supply base in which to feed the planned downward strike (to coordinate with its mirror from the south) in which to encircle the entire region behind it, so the loss of that (and all its stores and equipment) was a huge setback for Moscow As if that wasn’t bad enough, the elite Russian 1st Guards Tank Army which was in place to defend the area was virtually destroyed. (since back in service albeit with new recruits) As I stated all of the above was reported by the Russian media at the time (minus the destroyed part) and yet like Tommy Cooper (just like that) that reversal of fortunes for the Russian military has been reinvented as a well organised retreat.
We saw something similar in the Kherson Oblast and as I informed you at the time regards supplying the vast number of Russian BTGs on the other side of the dnieper river after the Ukraine cut the 3 major lines of communication across it. Russia was having huge issues resupplying them via miltary ferry which could carry 21 cars at most with a trip across both ways taking a min of an hour. So how Moscow managed to retrieve all its troops and equipment by ferry alone is beyond me. Which kind of explains the vast treasure trove of equipment, and stores left behind by the retreating Russians. A simple search on google is more than enough to reveal that Sergei Shoigu was telling porkies regards not leaving any equipment behind (or men for that matter)

JIMK wrote:

“”Infrastructure was from memory one of the first and prime targets in both Iraq and Libya by what I assume you would call the USAF and FAF/RAF etc “modern, competent and well led military”. The only difference I can see is that the Russians didn’t hit them in the first few days and killed few civilians, sorry ‘collateral damage’ in doing so. The objective, achieved by those very efficient forces was clearly to send the countries back to the Middle Ages, that doesn’t appear to be Russia’s in Ukraine..””

 
Utter tosh, in both Western led theatres only military targets were struck and during the initial Russian attack phase there are plenty of videos of Ballistic missile strikes hitting accommodation blocks supermarkets, Hospitals and train stations  
As for your assertion that Moscow’s aim unlike the Wests was to preserve life. To that end please explain why Moscow does not employ Precision guided munitions, Targeting pods and a man in the loop control system for its weapons.(other than on the SU34)  These are all used by the West in which to ensure what is targeted is hit and because the West uses weapons which are hundreds of times more accurate than those employed by Moscow, it means that the warheads used can be a lot smaller, resulting in less collateral damage that is standard NATO SOP and explains weapons such as :
JDAM
SDB
BLU-129/B
The Ninja Hellfire 9X Missile (blades instead of explosives)
APKWS
Finally and a big finally Moscow has been using incendiary weapons on mass inside the Ukraine , when I say incendiary I refer to thermite, White Phos and Naplam type weapons used to blanket an entire area over Christmas that was Bahkmut
Here is a YT video of many such attacks

Hs ha ha !! Tactical withdrawals ?? The Russians were routed , abandoning equipment en mass. Russia is now the no. 1 supplier of Ukrainian armour whenever Ukraine advances. Even the hardliner Russian milbloggers don’t peddle that bullshit you come up with. In around Bakhmut, Russian attacks are down to small, platoon/squad sized attacks, they no longer have the numbers for their mass human wave assaults.

I wouldn’t be relying on your memory, you don’t seem to recall predicting an easy Russian victory back in February, so your recollection of Iraq or Libya will be skewed. However, the Russian tactic of attacking electricity supply, hospitals, housing and schools has nothing to do with reducing the combat mobility of the UA, but has everything to do with destroying civilian morale and inflicting civilian mass casualties.

That, my little Russian stooge is a warcrime. When you were in hospital did you look around and see what part of it constituted a valid military target?? Did the nurses and doctors and carers appear deserving of a drone strike?? They definitely found higher levels of bullshit in you than anything else.

Farouk provides a more comprehensive rebuttal of your deflection, better than most of us could.

And long may that continue… Lol 😁 Hopefully it’s making things a lot easier for 🇺🇦 forces to push 🇷🇺 out of their country as efficiently as possible.

It may be part of a wider information campaign against the Russians as well though to let them know they are alone.

A lot of what the UK does is covered by such operations, remember all the blame placed against the French not helping in 1982 then it turns out that French intelligence was assisting British intelligence is procuring all the Exocets on the market.

It’s interesting to see just how involved the UK is behind the scenes, if they are the ones shipping ammo from Pakistan to Ukraine. Apparently large numbers of African countries with surplus war stock have also been procured and I can’t imagine if was the French,Germans or Americans doing it.

It’s not hard to see why the Russian turn so much attention on the UK even trying to blame us for blowing up NORDSTREAM.

Not to criticise others however the US has been primarily concerned with China and I get the impression the UK Government and intelligence has had it out to get the Russians for a while now.

Believe current operating philosophy of UK security and military services could be summarized as follows: ‘Ivan, payback is a bitch!’ 🤔😉

No doubt!

Not me saying it , just about every western military analyst who seem to know better than your fanboy peasant army generals , I seem to remember your prediction of VDV units wiping the floor with the Ukraine army 😂😂 RIP VDV struggled to get near Kiev let alone the Polish border😂

Ah, maybe the same analysts that have been forcasting that Russia was about to run out of missiles etc every month since April?

Like most militaries, Russia has changed its operational senior management controlling their forces in theater once it became clearer what the actual tasks were as opposed to the plans worked out before they started. I do remember, but I also remember General Miley saying that he expected the Russians to be in Kiev in 3 days.

Apart from almost every commentator being wrong footed on their intentions it is clear that many Russian plans didn’t survive contact with the enemy.

They did run out missile thats why they went to buy from Iran . Also went to NK for restock in shells , all well known famous arms manufacturers and good quality I’m sure😂

There is not much evidence that they actually got anything from NK. The small drones seem to be in use as an extra weapon, nothing to do with Russia’s missile stocks.

Using Shorad drones instead of cruise missiles has everything todo with their shortage.

Why would you use cruise missiles rather than SHORAD against cruise missiles?

Put these words in order: straws, clutching, stop, at, fucking, Nazi, sad, you.

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Russian plans haven’t survived contact with fuck all! They had no plans, plus now they have no credibility at any level in the military and you have your Nazi mate Putin to thank for that! Cheers Pooptin you have made the Russian military come out in public as an absolute joke!

Thought at one point that you may have been guilty of a little hyperbole in convolving Mad Vlad and the Orcs w/ the neo-NazIs. Lo and behold, read an article recently which stated a certain percentage of former East Germans are actively advocating for the Russians, both at home and abroad. Apologies, really thought you were being at least slightly facetious. You know, after pondering this…wonder whether there could be a ‘fifth-column’ element w/in multiple former Warsaw Pact countries? 🤔😳😱

Mate Russia is the new Nazis, certainly under Pooptin! Have a quick look at their football leagues as a very easy and obvious example. Cheers!

It may not be surprising but I think their support is as much for the ‘Soviet’ system of which Russia is the last major example. A system that gave them free education, often housing, medical support etc that many now miss having ben treated generally as lower class citizens in Germany than the West Germans. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/16/germany-east-west-gaps-persist-30-years-reunification

That really reveals you as a tired and bitter old communist that has been unable to accept the dissolution of the old Soviet Union. Like Putin, you’ve found a convenient scapegoat in Nato/Ukraine/ US etc and continue to push Putins distorted and blatantly false narratives .

The fact that you’ve decided to support nazi imperialist aggression says it all. If you hate Western democracy so much, why don’t you join your erstwhile fellow travellers like Snowden, Philby etc and go sample the delights of living in a dictatorship ?

I’m sorry but trite comments like that just show you up.

Every military has plans and I don’t think that either the US or NATO or the Ukrainians currently regard the Russian military as a “joke” let alone an “absolute” one.

Every comment you post trying to justify this illegal invasion shows you up, every single time! The Russian military is a joke in regards to basic soldiering and military planning! But I’m sure your vast subject matter experience will make you think different.

I bow to your superior ability in these areas.

If you are using more missiles and artillery than can be replaced, then ipso facto you are running out. You seem to be untethered to maths as well as facts . Russian manufacturing capacity has been severely curtailed since they began their genocide and they are unable to replace missile and rocket munitions in anything like the quantity they have been spraying them around.

That is a truly impressive comment. To have made it you must have had access to some of the most classified data in Russia. Well done.

No, not really. It’s basic maths and independent thinking and research. Not relying on supposition and bullshit from delusional Russian fascists.

General Miley has never struck me as being ‘the sharpest tool in the box’.
Why the American spelling of ‘theatre’ – are you American?

Maybe but he got to Chairman of the Joint Chiefs so he had some skills and cunning. Spelling of theatre came from the leftovers of my failed attempt at French O level a long while back, Get confused with centre as well.

Mate his predictions over the last 10 months have been hilarious, but he conveniently ignores them when asked or questioned about them….maybe time for some Nazi cut and pastes!!!!!!

I suppose its Johnskis job to carry on regardless , it pays his heating bill.

He has no choice! Once a mouthpiece always a mouthpiece!

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Wish it did, at my lowly level even a packet of Mash would be welcome.

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How many months has it taken to capture 30sq Kms of sod all ?how many sq kms has Ukr liberated in the same timeline? Rough count of 110000 orcs dead at the moment I believe! Of course the Ukr are taking casualties but at least they know what they are dying for unlike your lot!
And of course all these dead lay at the feet of one man,that madman in the Kremlin with his three day special operation !

Statistics can prove anything especially when based of the figures put out by organisations on all sides plus random others with vested interest in a war.

You surely can’t believe that one man in a country the size of Russia makes the decisions, he is the public head of a group, just like Biden. Plus he never gave a timescale, unless you can link to it. Good luck.

P.S it was I believe General Miley who said 3 days.

Oh dear Russian fan boy troll, caught out yet again!

Um, where?

Silly me🙄 So Russia is a democratic country after all! Who would have thought it?

What has being a democratic country got to do with it?

“You surely can’t believe that one man in a country the size of Russia makes the decisions, he is the public head of a group, just like Biden. Plus he never gave a timescale, unless you can link to it. Good luck.”

Wrong again, and in that sentence, you demonstrate the paucity of your knowledge of politics along with your thin understanding of economics, commerce and the military.

There is no comparison between Putin and Biden. One was democratically elected by the people, the other assumed power in an opaque way and since then has murdered, imprisoned and poisoned his political opponents in order to stay in power. Everything that happens in Russia happens by Putins decree, including the attack on Ukraine. It was his decision and his alone.

Or do you think his ear was bent by the Kremlin’s milkman?

Black Sea fleet Kilos? Ha ha ha hilarious, as those four submersed coral reefs are only still afloat as the Ukrainians using western weapons, intel and Ukrainian bollocks have not yet decided to sink them! That is before the half trained incompetent crews don’t set them on fire first! Give your chuff a break and put down your Russian 👜

The USN doesn’t seem to share your opinion of the Kilo, describing it on occasions as a ‘black hole’ and very hard to find. As you would expect from any modern diesel electric submarine.

They are currently stuck in the Black sea, moving about in a pure defensive posture due to Ukraine and the West dominance of the Black Sea! All systems and platforms can be dangerous in the right hands, but those hands will not appear to be Russian I’m afraid johnskie.

Stuck in the Black Sea? All four Russian fleets have Kilos, the ones operating out of Tartous seem to give NATO exercises the most problems that we know about.

Like I said the ones we are taking about, the 4 in the Black Sea, are, in fact in the Black Sea and they have no option of coming out any time soon! Come on Johnskie stop the hyperbole and diversion answers.

You got me there, got a bit carried away. But I’m not sure how the West dominates the Black Sea. I’d say it was Russia followed by Turkey in that role.

Got carried away? How picture of Putin or a raped Ukrainian female? Nonce Russian bot fanboy. The west dominates the Black Sea the same way western weapons are dominating the battlefield pal! The only reason the Nazi warships and subs are afloat is because the west has not yet decided to sink them. That’s a reality your Russian fan boy bot brain cannot fathom.

It can’t fathom it because it flies in the face of logic. You may not have spotted it but to the north of the Black Sea is the are known as Crimea. For hundreds of years it has been a fortress. With its current armaments in place it dominates the Black Sea and beyond.

Put some facts down on paper instead of continually spouting propaganda. Where and what exactly are the “Western assets dominating the battlefield” as you put it?

If there is a fanboy round here you fit the bill rather well.

They will of course won’t they! As for which category, definitely a target! Next?

Just a question but how many of these wonder weapons does the ship carry? I will guess not many and by the time the last one is being launched the frigate will be on its way to the bottom of whatever ocean/sea it’s in!

And will be tracked and followed every inch of its voyage by the very best Nato and US attack submarines, for which that frigate will have no defence against. Crewed by peasants and led by incompetents, most of its equipment is probably up for sale in the classifieds of Wagner Times by the XO.

Spot on 😂😂😂

Lots of opportunities for practice then. Especially as there is a reasonable chance that a Russian attack sub will be with her. I suspect that the quality of Russian crews are much the same as the other navies of similar size with equivalent hardware.

I am sure that thee are readers of this forum who in their military careers had a healthy respect for the Russian military, apart from in the 90’s perhaps.

As for flogging stuff, from reports its not ex Russian stuff that’s hitting the Worlds arms markets via Ukraine, its the NATO ‘gifts’.

On the Wagner front, did you notice that the first batch of ex prisoners has now completed their 6 months service and are now free men, able if they wish to continue working in other Wagner projects round the World.

Took a while for your FSB handler to get back to you huh ? I expect that you know as much about naval undersea warfare as my dog, however, I and many others here would back a US 688 class or an Astute over any Russian underwater tomb. From the Kursk, the Kuznetsov, the Moskva etc it has been a shambolic tale of corruption, incompetence and general ineptitude in parallel with other branches of the Russian military. There’s little evidence thus far from their performance in Ukraine that they are deserving of any respect either now, or in the past. I don’t think that America will be unduly worried by that frigate, hypersonic or not, any attempted missile strike on US soil or sovereign territory will see Russia as a country incinerated. There’ll be no need for you to update your password for your FSB portal login then!!

There’s not the slightest evidence (apart from some bullshit report made up by the Kremlin), that any Nato gifts as you call them are being sold. Who’s supposed to be buying them? Ukraine has certainly made great use of the weapon systems it has had donated. Unlike the Russian shite, Nato equipment requires skilled operators. Himars made quite an impact on New year’s day didn’t it? Or was that a demo fire by a salesman?. If what you said was even remotely correct, then it shows just how good the Ukrainian military is if it can put up the performance it has without the Nato supplied arms. Still, like I always say, your suppositions are always untethered to any reality.

Not really sure why you’d laud the freedom/demob of the Wagner convicts. It says much about your inadequacy as a man that you would trumpet proudly the release of convicted rapists, murderers and pederasts into Russian society. Still, it’s your country, why should we care? Maybe you can introduce one of those first class fellows to your daughter.

Yet you still cannot find out the fate of Russian anti war protesters, political prisoners or abducted Ukrainian children.

Health rather than a non existent FSB handler has slowed me down. Next stop the Horton, Airborne will tell you where that is.

I made no comment as to who’s attack sub would do better, just that it would be “practice”. Corruption is in the eye of the beholder so I suppose you see no problem when our military and especially the US, take good jobs with the companies that they have purchased products from?

The Pentagon has said that they have no defence against hypersonics so whilst you may not think they are worried about the frigate I suspect they will be. Either way if a nuke is fired then its all of nothing and we are all toast.

Bit of a sweeping statement on skill level to operate complex weapons you make. I thought you were better than that. You quote HIMARS as needing skill which is correct, but somehow the Russians have been able to design systems like Iskander, S-400, Buk, Kalibre etc that are hammering the UA yet are “shite” and by implication anyone just off the street can work. Still at least you acknowledge that the Soviet/Russian/Ukrainian equipment is working well in the hands of the UA as it is in the hands of the Russians.

Even in our legal system prisoners are free once they have served their sentence and many learn new trades inside. You or I have no idea if the guy standing next to us in Tesco has been locked up for ABH, murder, robbery, rape etc. Surely this is much the same except that the new trade learnt is related to military activities?

Not good I agree but, not the UK, but how about all those Jan 6 people locked up on no charges? Or Julian Assange in Bellmarsh, for doing his job as a journalist exposing US war crimes?

Wrong dick head, prisoners get a sentence plan, as dictated by his offence and implemented by his Offender Manager, while inside! He has to follow this sentence plan, which is not negotiable, to the letter, and any none compliance or adjudication inside, can impact his release date. Cons get a CRD and then and EOS/License date. He can be released on his CRD (or not depending on his sentence plan compliance and his risk assessment) but as that is not his end of sentence he can be recalled at any time until his EOS date! So, I have just shown you, yet again you know fuck all you are posting! And let me assure you no sentence plan will involve going to an illegal war which is in fact in contravention to international law! So, try again silly Pooptin fan boy!

When you have to resort to simple insults, like your first three words, I know you are floundering.

WTF was that all your comment about, apart from you showing us all that you know the inside of our justice system rather well.

You struggle I understand and refuse to challenge, as you know fuck all! “Even in our legal system prisoners are free…..blah blah” You draw a comparison with our legal system and your fav Nazi states, and in drawing you to the obvious conclusion their is no similarities as we have rules and procedures to follow and NONE of those allow early release AT ALL to go into an illegal war! But alas you don’t care as you don’t underestimate as you have a script to follow which you cannot deviate! You lose on every post, simple because you do not have a free opinion to voice!

Hypersonic are nothing new, they’ve been around for a long time, a single Russian frigate that may or may not be armed with vapourware missiles won’t be causing many sleepless nights in the White House.

I think that you’ll find that the Iskanders, Buks, Kalibrs etc are hammering Ukrainian civilians and their hospital and homes, not exactly the benchmark for military feat of arms . Wasn’t it a Russian Buk system that downed a Malaysian airliner in 2014? Skilled operators ? Incompetence or a warcrime ? Do please tell.
Ukrainians however are successfully advancing against the Russian invaders by skilful use of Nato supplied equipment. Which according to you is up for sale in Kyiv marketplaces. Neat trick huh ?

Highly unlikely that those Wagner scum will have learned any more skills beyond torture, abduction and rape. Still, it’s your daughter, you pays your money and you takes your choice.

I think you’ll find that most of the Jan 6th insurrectionists are facing charges, others have been tried and sentenced. In independent courts. Interesting that you take up their cause. American far right zealots . So did Putin. Funny that Assange never seemed interested in Russian warcrimes, maybe his funding would have stopped had he looked.

It does seem curious at least that you seem so invested in the military success of a Russian leader whose delusional, adventurist, nationalist, nazi agenda has caused untold suffering not only to Ukraine, and widely around the world, not least the 3rd world, but also to the country that you claim to reside in. Did you support the Salisbury novichok attack as well ?

Love the intentional avoidance of my point. Yes hypersonic ballistic and other missiles have been here since the V2 but what has that got to do with the introduction of hypersonic cruise missiles? Which the US is spending a fortune on to catch up. Also your lack of awareness on what those Iskanders and Kalibres have been hitting. Plus your MH-17 red herring, who did it, unproven, immediately after the US claimed to have radar tracks that they wouldn’t even show Dutch Intelligence. Surely it would be logical to assume that if they proved Russia did it they would be all over the papers as a HUGE propaganda win?

Please ID somewhere, over say the last 4 weeks, where Ukraine is advancing as you claim. Whatever you say about Wagner, it is them that are the frontal assault troops moving forward, not backwards, in Soladar at the moment.

Wow, that’s rich from you, accusing me of red herrings and avoiding the point. MH17 was proven to be a Russian military operation, it was all over the media back in 2014, your memory , along with your sense of self worth is failing you.

My point about the hypersonic missile equipped frigate still stands, it may or may not be armed with them, they may or may not work, it’s just another empty threat from a desperate Kremlin. Ultimately, the dead Ukrainian civilians can’t tell the difference between hypersonic or subsonic at the point of impact. The world is very aware of what Russian missiles have been hitting, there’s plenty of news video footage, schools, hospitals, power stations, railway stations, housing. ” For the children. ” was scrawled by Russian soldiers on one of the missiles aimed at a railway station containing fleeing civilians.

No one takes military observations seriously from you. You don’t know what you’re talking about, 11 months on, Russian forces getting pinned back on almost all fronts and you’re trying to paint the tiny, yard by yard gains by mercenary contractors at a strategically insignificant town. You are beyond desperate.

Let’s remind ourselves of Ukrainian advances…
Kyiv, Hostomel, Bucha, Irpin, Lyman, Kharkiv, Snake Island, Kherson, that’s just off the top of my head. More will come, have patience.

He is very desperate as they are now recruiting for the “low level tank turret display team” from their chubby, pale and soft online trolls, and he is very scared!

Oh dear more guff! The Russian fan boy shit is quite sad you know! Its the Wagner scum who have moved a few hundred metres in months, does that make you proud, that after 11 months of combat you get excited about a bunch of private military prisoners having the only success on the ground! And may I add we don’t use the term “frontal assault troops” in the UK, that’s a Soviet terminology for a part of their military. Oh dear another mistake johnskie! You make so many it’s fun to read!

So your happy that someone who got, let’s say 10 years for rape did a 6 month shitting their pants tour, and are now free men, with zero rehabilitation, to go and crack on as before! Wow, that post of yours is one of the most fan boy bot nonce yet! So just to confirm, you are happy that dangerous convicted criminals don’t have to serve their sentence if they deploy on an illegal invasion, which is in fact against international law?

As for the quality of the Russian crews…..ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa FFS!

They ‘go on as before’ as you put it and they are back inside. Incidentally many are dead and many crippled, it was no easy path to freedom, they didn’t have to take it.

Er they don’t go back inside! Jesus Christ you know so little, or more likely cannot change the narrative you are set! Easy path to freedom is to do what the rest of the civilised world does, they follow their sentence plan and leave jail having completed the required parts, courses and tasks, not leave early to take part in an illegal war for freedom after 6 months. But, you do seem sad sone of these scum bags get hurt and die! Full time mouthpiece for the Nazis and you are proud of it!

So to confirm you support the use of prisoners, who have not finished their sentences, sentence plans or rehabilitation, to enter into an illegal war for freedom after just 6 months? A simple yes or no will do! Alas, we all know you are not allowed to be so clear in an answer, but it’s fun to see you squirm!

“A world trip” it’s going to be at sea for a long time then! Can’t see many countries welcoming an Orc warship for many goodwill visits😀

If you work on the basis that only the 40 or so countries that support sanctions (mainly in the West) will not welcome them, then that still leaves most of the countries in the World with a seashore likely to welcome Russian Navy ships.

Really anywhere north of the equator is out so that leaves you with Africa and maybe India if they are feeling brave enough to show any support for Pootin. NK Iran and Syria are nice places I believe😂

Algeria, Egypt, Mayamar, Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela from the top of my head plus, as you imply many south of them.

As I have said before, many countries are either openly or quietly applauding Russia’s actions as punching the colonialists on the nose. Sadly for us in the UK there is a strong chance that retribution is coming beyond the uplifted NG price, much by self infliction, like the large amount of insurance and trade related income by forcing Russia/Iran/India in particular to start their own marine insurance businesses. Voting patterns in the UN are changing, an alternative to the $ as the trading currency is evolving, more counties are lining up to join Russia related groups like BRICS.

But then all here already knew that.

Oh my you are such a Russian fan boy!

That is just a side effect of reporting what I see going on in the World. If you want to sit in your bunker seeing what you can out of its slits then so be it. I’d rather be on the top of a hill seeing all round. Clearly a more dangerous position, as shown by the flack I get from a few here, but so be it.

You know nothing and only see what you are told to see! Very sad you are actually trying to use a military analogy when you have never served! But hard for a mouthpiece troll to serve I suppose, but as an Englishman from MK, as you like to claim, even sadder that you didn’t have the balls to give it a go!

Colonialists?? There’s only one country invading another and trying to claim its assets as its own and that’s Russia. And not for the first time in its sordid history. The rest of what you’ve written there is Kremlin derived supposition and bullshit.

Those countries that you declare are ‘applauding Russia’s actions ‘. Virtually without exception are tin pot dictatorships, where human rights and political freedom are none existent. Myanmar for example is little better than an armed camp. They’re not and never will be examples of good governance , most of their economies are on life support, mainly due to endemic corruption, the leaders of those countries are responsible for numerous genocides and attacks on their own citizens and on their neighbours, it shows how little you know that you would hold that group up as a viable alternative to anything else. Their leaders are more comparable to a colony of rats behind the woodshed, worthy only of contempt and extermination.

You’re increasingly desperate and unhinged in your posts, that was some desperate deflection., NG and oil prices are almost back to pre war levels now, the dollar is still the world’s reserve currency and the UN is simply a toothless talking shop.

Meanwhile Putin prepares to mobilise another half million conscripts as things are going so well for him….

Love it. India and China, those tin pot dictatorships, buying Russian oil and NG as fast as they can to sell to the EU as ‘non Russian’ making a nice little markup. There are traders all over the World thanking the Russians for their bulging wallets. At our expense!

What is “good governance” or “endemic corruption”? The current status quo of part of history. We, Europe and the US have only got to our place at the top of the pile down to our use of both of them. Our hands are not clean. What is so good about ‘Western democracy’ that allows us to destroy countries like Iraq and Syria in try to force it on them down the barrel of a gun?

Talking about a colony of rats, how about the US House of Representatives desperately trying to stop elements of democracy being reintroduced into the House that would make elements of the gravy train being made more difficult?

Oil and gas are very different markets. Yes NG is back to last Feb but the big price increase took place in the autumn of 2021 and has only been made possible by the dramatic industrial cutbacks in gas consumption across Europe and warmer weather than normal. Reduce demand and the price falls.

Putin says only half the 150,000 reservists are on the war front. Note these are RESERVISTS not CONSCRIPTS a bit like the US military heavily relies on its reservists. Its only the Ukrainians claiming this, vested interest?

“Putin says ….” So it must be true then. Are you really that gullible? That’s not a hill you think you’re sitting on , it’s a locked bunker.

Good governance…. let’s see, I suppose at the least it’s free and fair elections, respect for international borders and law, not committing genocide or torturing and imprisonment of political opposition. Or the opposite of Russia, China, and the various other countries you cite as the applauders. Telling as well that you cite the madcap antics of MAGA Republicans as some kind of democratic struggle, it’s nothing of the sort.

I was no supporter of the Iraqi misadventure, but at least me and others could protest against it and not disappear into a gulag. Syria was pretty much destroyed by a combination of ISIS
and Russian indiscriminate bombing, including chemical attacks, it’s Russia that is trying to force its way in Syria and Ukraine, Georgia and other places down the barrel of a gun.

That was a very desperate reply to you, getting angry isn’t he!

Just more of his standard deflection and fathomless whataboutery.

Oh you are getting desperate in your Russian pro invasion fan boy grumpy replies! We can all see it and find it sad, amusing but sad!

Russian reservists hilarious! Many years ago he did 12 months training sat in a camp with no kit, logistics, combined arms skills or technical training whilst being bullied! Wow what a pool to draw from!! Ha ha haaaa brilliant, your bluster just gets funnier!

Oh dear oh dear!

Yup, but still no refuting the key economic points. Regardless of the views expressed here the power in the World is shifting into the Eurasian landmass away from the Oceanic powers. The fears of Halford Mackinder look to be coming to pass after 100+ years. Look him up.

More guff!

You’ve got admit though after his ‘break’ he is coming back with lots of new ‘truths’😂 makes you wonder if he has been on a new course in Orc land doesn’t it?

He is back after a period of re-education and has to go full flow or he will be called up to the low level tank turret display team! He is petrified mate.

Did you check out Mackinder? British by the way.

Did you condemn the illegal invasion of Ukraine by Putin yet? Russian by the way.

Yes, some of Ukraine is indeed now Russian.

We like to call those part temporary Nazi enclaves johnskie, soon to be liberated by the Ukrainians!

No, most of the time I can’t be bothered to spend my time explaining here what is going on on a wider horizon which the handfull of you here find so incomprehensible, splattering threads with not much more than insults and opinions..

Quite what the many other readers here make of it I don’t know as anyone who comments tends to get jumped on by the aforementioned self appointed hit squad.

Still I suppose you are happy in your echo chamber basking in the superiority.

Your getting angrier though aren’t you. Very amusing.

Not anger, just frustration.

Go and stand in a corner and join your other wanker mates! Should do the job. As for Parts of Ukraine now being Orc land you said it yourself it’s Ukraine🙄

Like I said, angrier and angrier!

Most posters find you an amusing and incoherent Russian echo chamber. No one who comments gets jumped on, only you, as you are a troll who refuses to condemn the illegal Russian invasion, push out a Nazi/Russian narrative and has been doing so since 2014. Also you post propaganda, and when proven wrong on 99% of the time, refuse to debate or defend your position. Troll work.

Looks a bit like a Maginot Line gun turret plonked atop of an off the shelf 8×8 chassis. As you say there are a few already available and proven alternatives out there.

I think a lot of that may be to do with how the modules fit onto the body and need to clear the cab? I agree, not a pretty looking vehicle!
I guess the advantage with Boxer is the mobility compared to a standard truck, as well as higher levels of protection- not sure how either compare in the real world against a true tracked SPG though (however, theoretically the Boxer has the advantage over tracks in terms of maintainability and deployability). You get that at a price though, I’d imagine…

Hunting the video but can’t find it. Was talking about recoil. Video I saw it was rocking and bucking all over the place. Maybe your video is more recent but the one I saw wasn’t slow mo and looked like it was firing with a bigger charge.

That could in fact be the case, David. I’ve seen the video you refer too and it looked a little bit shakey, to say the least!

“The chassis proved to be able to withstand the 60 tonnes recoil force generated when the gun shoots with the maximum charge and at the worst-case elevation.”

LINK

Forsprung durch Technik?

A Tracked version has also been tested, designed to fit inside the A400M.

That looks much better (cosmetically and technically) than the Boxer mounted version.

True, you only need to look at the “Brimstone delivery truck” they cobbled together to see they’ll use what they can get!

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New Russian invention, tanks fitted with ejection system.

I know the company that could supply the ejection seats, the pilots just love them!

Cheers farouk, I’ll have a look.

Yes, just looked at at the link farouk provided.

I’d also read the Boxer SPG variant is one of the most expensive of the options available, unsure if that is accurate though.

Last I heard the army was veering towards a tracked solution for FM Fires.