Britain’s armed forces are set for a significant transformation to address the mounting challenges posed by China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea.

This major review, led by Lord Robertson, a former Labour defence secretary and NATO chief, aims to bolster the UK’s defence capabilities and reverse years of military cutbacks.

Lord Robertson, brought back into frontline military policy by Sir Keir Starmer, discussed the critical need for the UK and NATO to confront these four nations, describing them as a “deadly quartet”. He stressed the importance of this strategic review in preparing Britain to deal with these emerging threats effectively.

The review is expected to be completed early next year. Defence Secretary John Healey has highlighted this initiative as the beginning of a “new era for Britain” and a “new era for defence.” The review aims to rebuild the “hollowed out” armed forces, addressing the significant reduction in troop numbers and enhancing military readiness.

One of the key objectives, according to reports, is to support Ukraine in its ongoing conflict with Russia while strengthening defences against the other three nations that pose a threat to European stability.

In addition to military enhancements, the review will also focus on improving the welfare of troops. An independent commissioner will be appointed to advocate for their needs, and increased defence spending is expected to boost the economy, particularly in northern regions. The government also plans to assert a stronger leadership role within NATO, ensuring the alliance remains robust against current and future threats.

Lord Robertson pointed out that recognising China as a significant challenge marks a notable shift in NATO’s strategy. He referenced the recent NATO summit, which underscored the necessity of taking China’s ambitions seriously. “The NATO summit last week made it perfectly clear that the challenge of China was something that had to be taken very, very seriously,” he noted.

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BobA
BobA (@guest_835280)
1 month ago

I’m proposing some questions that need to be answered here, because to be meaningful – the questions are the important thing first the defence review to get right. Answer the wrong question and get the wrong answer! 1. How do you meaningfully grow mass in the armed forces quickly? I said it before Ukraine and Ukraine has proved it – mass is vital for endurance at every level. We can’t assume that we can win quickly. 2. How do you build regular (ie full time, full career) career structures that suit modern people? My own experience here demonstrates that there… Read more »

Steve R
Steve R (@guest_835299)
1 month ago
Reply to  BobA
  1. Needs a cash injection and a sustained increase in defence spending.
  2. Best bet would be to move away from the system of units moving base every 2-3 years. Have units permanently-based, for increased stability (obviously deployments don’t count)
  3. This needs to be done from increasing the minimum stock levels – everything from uniforms to missiles and fighter jets, ships and tanks needs to increase, especially ammunition. Increased and sustained orders. We need to move from famine & feast, ordering a handful of something. This requires additional funding, of course.
BobA
BobA (@guest_835304)
1 month ago
Reply to  Steve R

But Steve, we moved away from unit rebasing years ago except for a few small examples (RGR swapping etc), but the career structures for officers and SNCOs still requires individuals to move. And all three services suffer the same issue, even the RN where ‘home-porting’ is a thing suffer from it.

In my own marriage we were on our 4th quarter in 5 years when I left; the units I served with never moved in that time – just us.

Dern
Dern (@guest_836270)
1 month ago
Reply to  BobA

Eh, depends where you are. Brigades with a Cyprus Garrison or Guards Unit will still re-base their units frequently to accommodate the rotations, which, for the infantry, represents a large % of the force.

Andrew
Andrew (@guest_836590)
1 month ago
Reply to  Steve R

The “Arms Plot” stopped along time ago – with the exception of a handful of infantry battalions that rotate through Cyprus

Dave G
Dave G (@guest_835307)
1 month ago
Reply to  BobA

As to your point 4…. The starting point does have to be the threat you expect to need to beat in future (not the last war). You then work out what you need to fight the threat in the way you want to fight looking to make sure you have looked at variations in threat to find a solution that is flexible and make any realistic and acceptable compromises for affordability constraints. If you first look purely at how you want to fight irrespective of the threat you expect to face you will likely spend huge amounts of money on… Read more »

BobA
BobA (@guest_835310)
1 month ago
Reply to  Dave G

Don’t think I articulated that point very well. I’m coming at this from the point of how do we want to fight, cognisant of the threat we are likely to face. I feel like previous reviews have looked more at how we react to the threat (ie how do we defend ourselves) rather than how we win in the environment we are likely to operate in. So, for example, we are likely to operate in an environment where there is a high level of EW capability amongst our advisory. Do we want to operate or have the ability to go… Read more »

ChariotRider
ChariotRider (@guest_835309)
1 month ago
Reply to  BobA

Hi BobA, Good points there. I thought point 2. was a particuarly interesting point with regards to retention and to be honest it had never occurred to me. My back relevant ground is 10+ as a defence analyst (I’m disabled so couldn’t join up). You also talk about the ‘modern people’ joining the services. That is a good way of putting each generation rightly has different outlooks and expectations in part because the older generations want some thing better for the children and grandchildren! Then we wonder why we don’t understand the youngsters! So step one for recruiters – understand… Read more »

Sjb1968
Sjb1968 (@guest_835321)
1 month ago
Reply to  BobA

I know four people that currently serve and to grow the mass of our armed forces you need to address retention because all of our forces are haemorrhaging people. Recruitment is a shambles but retention is the key to an uplift in numbers, Therefore the first commitment in this review must be to address pay, accommodation and to relieve the pressure on those that are constantly deployed. There are still too many people in the forces that are not fit for active duty and that must also be addressed to relieve the burden on those that do. Realistically, an extra… Read more »

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_835622)
1 month ago
Reply to  Sjb1968

Are there many who are constantly deployed? With the demise of Ops TELIC and HERRICK many years ago, I thought deployments were less frequent and smaller in scale.

Sjb1968
Sjb1968 (@guest_835923)
1 month ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Unfortunately, there is very little let up because as personnel numbers have plummeted from 2010 and those major Ops have ceased we have inherited new commitments in the European theatre alongside the reemergence of existing ones.
The tempo on those that remain is unsustainable at the present and needs to be addressed by either reducing commitments, which is unrealistic or we need more people.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_836163)
1 month ago
Reply to  Sjb1968

The tempo of current activity in the army and whether it is sustainable is best answered by Dern!

Sjb1968
Sjb1968 (@guest_836420)
1 month ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

My knowledge of the Army is far more limited than Dern’s that’s for sure. But from what I hear first hand from RN, RM and RAF personnel it is has been quite unrelenting for a considerable period. I wouldn’t imagine it is much different for elements of the Army.

Dern
Dern (@guest_836273)
1 month ago
Reply to  Sjb1968

Haha cheers Graham, but my view of tempo of operations is pretty narrow, and I’ve spend much of the last decade in a corner that has a very high tempo of deployments and operations so, I’m probably skewed in my view now. I was having a drink with someone the other day who’d posted into my unit because we where very busy and thought he’d deploy, but because he applied for the wrong job within the battalion he’s effectively never going to deploy. So even within units individual experiences may vary. I think armour is also pretty busy from what… Read more »

Dern
Dern (@guest_836271)
1 month ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Depends on where in the army you are. In certain corners the deployments are constant, and almost roll into each other. Other areas not so much.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_836320)
1 month ago
Reply to  Dern

Thanks. Are these deployments 6-month tours or shortish exercises? I guess a mixture of both.

Dern
Dern (@guest_836330)
1 month ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Mixture of both for sure.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_835618)
1 month ago
Reply to  BobA

A lively post Bob! We cannot of course grow mass quickly, in terms of rapidly increasing trained and experienced manpower levels (SQEP). Even to increase the number of raw recruits quickly we would have to totally overhaul our recruitment organisation (best bet is to sack Capita and revert to the old system of High Street Careers Information offices manned by mature service personnel and with thenold, fast procedures…combined with a far better ‘Offer’ which would include a chunky pay rise. We could not procure complex kit quickly, unless we buy MOTS from a manufacturer who has capacity to meet an… Read more »

Dern
Dern (@guest_836269)
1 month ago
Reply to  BobA

To answer point 1) It depends on what your definition of quickly is and what your constraints are. The most obvious way to quickly grow the armed forces (and my answer is going to be army centric here) is to call up the Army Reserve. That’s a one time boost of about 30,000 troops. Follow that up with making sure the Regular Reserve is exercised and useable to create an extra growth margin at short notice for a limited amount of time. A peace time expansion (unless you introduce conscription which brings it’s own host of issues) will by neccesity… Read more »

Jonathan
Jonathan (@guest_836495)
1 month ago
Reply to  BobA

That’s a really good set of 4 broad principles..really specifically, mass and the assumption of winning quickly..the west has been obsessed with the quick for a very long time, but the evidence is wars are rarely quick…and the west is very good at losing long wars even against very weak enemies…just look at Afghanistan and before that Vietnam. The is now particularly important as we have a set of peer enemies who’s whole concept is the “long war” with a topping of massive suffering. China specifically has said if it goes to war with the west it will drag the… Read more »

Ex-RoyalMarine
Ex-RoyalMarine (@guest_835285)
1 month ago

Lets face it, 2.5% is not enough. There’s no way we can rebuild capability by just adding 0.46% of GDP to the defence budget. From hardware to manpower to accommodation, it all needs to be increased. The BBC say the SDR will look at gaps in capability. That depends on where we are to deploy. Unlike any other NATO nation (apart from France), the UK has historic global commitments as well as European and home defence. If we are to honour those commitments, the government needs to put money up. It’s a straightforward set of questions Labour needs to answer.… Read more »

ChariotRider
ChariotRider (@guest_835314)
1 month ago
Reply to  Ex-RoyalMarine

Hi Ex-RoyalMarine, Yup I agree with your main point – increasing by0.46% of GDP isn’t enough. It would solve quite a few short term issues mind – assuming MoD doesn’t pee it up the wall… I think this will turn out to be a stepping stone to 3% or even 4%. Why? Well the BBC article took a very global view of the situation, highlighting that NATO saw China as a significant threat. With Lord Robertson a former NATO general secretary and a former US Presidenial special advisor Fiona Hill I think the global context will not be completely overlooked.… Read more »

Julian
Julian (@guest_835318)
1 month ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

“I think this will turn out to be a stepping stone to 3% or even 4%.” I certainly hope so. With the strategic review not set to complete until early next year one could certainly make a case for an immediate announcement of an increase to 2.5% with potential for further increases after the review. There is plenty of stuff right now that could use 0.46% extra funding over the 8 or 9 months until the review is over that it seems to me doesn’t need to wait for a strategic review. Stuff like improving forces housing, rebuilding stockpiles of… Read more »

andy a
andy a (@guest_835360)
1 month ago
Reply to  Julian

they have already said defence spending wont go up untill economy recovers more. there will be no quick jump on spending.
However sorting out the wastage of billions on procurement would free up enough for good start

Last edited 1 month ago by andy a
ChariotRider
ChariotRider (@guest_835481)
1 month ago
Reply to  Julian

Hi Julian, Quick back of fag packet (cigarette packet for our US friends) calculation suggests that increasing Defence spending by 0.46% of GDP in today’s money amounts to about £12billion (my sum – 0.46 / 2.04 x £57b, so yeh very rough). Can’t see them doing that in one go. To be honest I don’t think the MoD could swallow that amount of extra money in a single year, they just couldn’t get the contracts out fast enough. I would be surprised if the review suggested spending more than 2.5%. My thinking was that the threat environment is going to… Read more »

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli (@guest_835450)
1 month ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

Agree. I’m liking what I’m hearing here as too Euro centric was my greatest fear, due to the endless rhetoric that Healey came out with in opposition.
Maybe they’ve grown up now they are in power.
I hope to be spectacularly wrong with my fears.

ChariotRider
ChariotRider (@guest_835474)
1 month ago

Hi Daniele, I shared your concerns initially but on reflection I remembered reading sometime ago that there is very little governments can actually change once they get into power because 98% (ish) of the budget is pretty much nailed down, some of it in law. Change takes time if you want to avoid shocking the state system which risks having real impacts on real people – voters. With regards to foreign affairs and defence there is even less room for manoeuvre because of all of the treaties, agreements and norms in international relationships on top of the budget constraints. The… Read more »

klonkie
klonkie (@guest_835970)
1 month ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

an interesting informative read CR !

ChariotRider
ChariotRider (@guest_836074)
1 month ago
Reply to  klonkie

Thanks klonkie,

Cheers CR

Mr Bell
Mr Bell (@guest_837310)
1 month ago

We’ve got to give the new government a chance. They’ve taken over a massive shitshow from the Tories and it will take Labour 2 terms of government to turn it around. First term slow progressive improvements second term should be when we take off as a country and start becoming the great nation we all know we can be.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_835624)
1 month ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

Is NATO really looking at ranking China as a serious threat to itself? So will NATO expand their area of concern beyond the Euro-Atlantic region? Will NATO expect friendly countries in the Far East to join?

ChariotRider
ChariotRider (@guest_835788)
1 month ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Hi Graham, Good questions, mate, and whilst I do not know the answers to those questions I believe they are being seriously asked within NATO. Having said that NATO was called into action in Afghanistan after 9/11 which is well beyond the Euro-Atlantic region, however, the attack occurred well within the NATO region. SO I would suggest that that limitation has already been blurred… As for friendly countries in the Far East I believe Australia is already an associate country to NATO. It is not covered by the full treaty obligations but given its alliance with the US I suspect… Read more »

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_836030)
1 month ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

Thanks mate. It will be interesting to see in the upcoming Defence review if there is any focus on the prospect of military operations outside the classic NATO area, especially in Africa and the Asia-Pacific region.

Mr Bell
Mr Bell (@guest_837313)
1 month ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

South Korea, Japan and Australia are all alert and woken up to the threat from China. The Phillipines and Singapore are also investing in defence. Indonesia is sitting on the fence and will likely remain neutral.
New Zealand is a disgrace. Sitting in supposed splendid isolation but in reality is ripe for the picking should China be able to get military forces there they could easily overrun New Zealand.

ChariotRider
ChariotRider (@guest_837363)
1 month ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

Agreed Mr Bell, My comment about alliances in the Far East was meant to highlight that there isn’t, as yet, a NATO of the Far East rather there is a network of alliances most notably, but exclusively, between countries affected by the nine dash line and the US. I suspect that if one country was attacked by China then others would get involved in someway in support of the US, but given likely variations in the various alliance treaties it is unlikely that the same level of clarity exists for these countries as there is for NATO members. I see… Read more »

Mr Bell
Mr Bell (@guest_837311)
1 month ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

China most definitely is the number one threat. They are a threat to all their neighbours and president Xi and Mad Vlad the Impaler want to refashion the world into something much more bending of the knee towards them.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_837415)
1 month ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

China is the number one threat to their region and to susceptible Third World nations, especially in Africa. They have the potential to trouble us in the West economically in so many areas, to hack on a grand scale and to commit industrial and non-industrial espionage. I am less convinced that they pose a major military threat to the NATO area.

Jonno
Jonno (@guest_835870)
1 month ago
Reply to  Ex-RoyalMarine

I hope there isn’t a plan to delay or cut Tempest to fund todays shortcomings. Healey is a name with history!

Jonathan
Jonathan (@guest_836496)
1 month ago
Reply to  Ex-RoyalMarine

Completely agree, we are in a Cold War with china, Iran, North Korea and Russia..we know what was needed last time ( 5-6%)…this time I would say the threat is even greater and more global in nature.

Patrick
Patrick (@guest_835286)
1 month ago

A review that needs to be conducted by the MoD without Treasury interference.

maurice10
maurice10 (@guest_835290)
1 month ago
Reply to  Patrick

Sadly, that is not going to happen. However, unlike previous reviews this one can’t ignore the growing threats, which are not showing any signs of reducing. Luckily, that will ensure a more realistic outcome with tangible improvements for all services. Where in the past, the opportunity for cuts will still be there but due to the worsening international pressures should be less damaging.

Patrick
Patrick (@guest_835298)
1 month ago
Reply to  maurice10

If there was a pivot to just Europenan and UK defence, I’d be very concerned about the carriers being cut and the RN going back to a sole GIUK gap role. However, with the AUKUS and Pacific commitments and the fact that the carriers were a Labour creation, it should stop any such ideas.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_836033)
1 month ago
Reply to  Patrick

I don’t believe the RN ever had a sole GIUK gap role. Why do you think that? They have alwyas had a global role/global tasking. In the past the RN has had a NATO commitment to cover the security of the Eastern Atlantic and the English Channel. The RN has a role to carry the nation’s independent nuclear deterrent. They have provided a presence in the Falklands and wider South Atlantic. They have deployed carrier task groups to the Far East. They have conducted anti-piracy operations in and around the Red Sea and anti-drugs operations in the Caribbean. They have… Read more »

John Clark
John Clark (@guest_835291)
1 month ago
Reply to  Patrick

Rebuilding mass across the board.

Current programme cost overruns.

Within 2%GDP

Sounds like trying to hammer the square peg into the round hole to me…

What’s the plan then, a raft of new PPFI’s to kick spending down the road, second hand kit off Uncle Sam?

I can’t see any other way of building mass quickly within the cost constraints.

Levi Goldsteinberg
Levi Goldsteinberg (@guest_835288)
1 month ago

The fact that the scope is focus is outside as well as inside Europe, I am quietly optimistic

Paul C
Paul C (@guest_835293)
1 month ago

They’re already promising too much. It’s clear.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_836148)
1 month ago
Reply to  Paul C

I don’t think they are promising too much. What examples do you have?

Ian
Ian (@guest_835300)
1 month ago

Western governments in general aren’t going to be able to deal effectively with China because they still think they can either cooperate with or confront the Chinese depending on the issue, and at their own choosing- as if China gets no say in the matter. China meanwhile will be demanding quid pro quos to further its own perceived interests.

Barry White
Barry White (@guest_835315)
1 month ago

I will probably be shot down for my comment but here goes The UK is an island and as such we have as of today a smallish army Please dont shout me down as my dad served in the DCLI from 1936 to 1953 and would no doubt knock my block off with what i am going to suggest Why not concentrate on the RAF and RN and let mainland Europe concentrate on the ground forces As people say we dont have a lot of cash so concentrate on what is needed by building up the Navy and beefing up… Read more »

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli (@guest_835604)
1 month ago
Reply to  Barry White

Replied on other thread.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_835628)
1 month ago
Reply to  Barry White

Barry, you seem to forget that we are in NATO and as a major country with a relatively large defence budget we need to make meaningful contributions to the defence of continental Europe (and the Atlantic). That includes an armoured division as a minimum. Also, our army is regularly deployed on expeditionary operations by their political masters.

PhilWestMids
PhilWestMids (@guest_835633)
1 month ago
Reply to  Barry White

We will never have the numbers for a large army so focusing on something we have had strength in for centuries makes sense, the Royal Navy. We have more cash than most, what we seem to lack is the capacity to put it to good use and endless studies and reports will not make a difference while someone is being paid to make endless studies and reports, we just need to hurry up and do what is needed.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_836131)
1 month ago
Reply to  PhilWestMids

We have not had a large army since the height of the Cold War, but we need a right-sized army and 73,000 is not it. We should not just build up the RN solely because previous governments progressively cut the army back to 73,000 solely for budgetary savings.

The current SDSR is not just one of a series of endless studies and reports. A new Government, particularly of a different political persuasion needs to do this. I hope that some small fixes can be done whilst the Review is ongoing.

Alabama Boy
Alabama Boy (@guest_835324)
1 month ago

Many who have served have been stating the obvious that the UK Armed Forces cannot successfully defend the Nation. For too long the politicians /Senior Military Leaders have hidden behind the argument that you don’t need mass if you have high quality. So now we have insufficient high quality (e.g. F35s) and effectively no mass the worst of all worlds. Ukraine has re-emphasised the need for mass. Also, we couldn’t sustain a prolonged engagement because we don’t have sufficient of the logistics of warfare – ammunition, missiles, resupply and repair etc for even the platforms we do have. I also… Read more »

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_836145)
1 month ago
Reply to  Alabama Boy

With your ‘handle’ I guess you are American? No senior military leader cuts manpower count or platform numbers – that is all down to the politicians in collusion with the Treasury. Senior military leaders then try to put a brave face on such politically-driven cuts and point in desperation to a small amount of high quality equipment on the order books, plus the good standard of our force’s training, our combat experience and versatilty. It shocks me that the quality of military housing is still an issue. I thought that Annington Homes, a commercial company, who bought all married quarters… Read more »

DaveyB
DaveyB (@guest_835347)
1 month ago

Firstly, outside of the normal Defence Box, I would say that the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) should also have a part in this review. As their past history of ineptitude and aloofness has led to a number of conflicts. In particular the Falklands War, but also near conflicts in Honduras and Guiana. There needs to be a stronger will to lead from the Secretary of State (SOS) to make sure the Civil Servants take matters seriously and respect the treaties that we must uphold. As this inevitably leads to where our military goes, but also counter the emerging threats,… Read more »

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_836147)
1 month ago
Reply to  DaveyB

Interesting that Ben Wallace thought there was significant hollowing out in his years as a young army officer. Hollowing out is certainly a thing since the mid-90s, and has never stopped.

I agree about reviving British Defence Industry. There always was an ethos that we would not buy foreign-made warships. That never happened with other equipment.

Steve R
Steve R (@guest_835424)
1 month ago

Sounds great in principle, but they need to understand that rebuilding the armed forces means increasing numbers in virtually everything. The Ukraine War has shown that mass counts, and you cannot have ultra-high tech equipment in small numbers as assets are still lost and need to be replaced. We have a technological edge against the likes of Russia, China, Iran and North Korea, but we lack mass. We need to build mass back up, not just in equipment but in personnel. We need to go back to an army of approx. 100,000, a navy of 25+ frigates and destroyers, and… Read more »

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_836367)
1 month ago
Reply to  Steve R

I agree with every word.

Some, especially US senior officers, think we failed in Iraq and in Afghanistan – and that is when MoD was putting considerable effort into generating UORs for Special-To-Theatre kit, and HMT picked up the tab. At that time, much core equipment was not upgraded or replaced.

So it is not a surprise that our core equipment now, especially the army’s, is in poor shape.

During the years of cutbacks, where was the Parliamentary Opposition? Why were they quiet?

Phil Chadwick
Phil Chadwick (@guest_835514)
1 month ago

We cannot go backwards. There is no more room for any more cutbacks. We must face the fact that our Armed Forces fighting ability is barely credible. The only way to reverse this is by increasing Defence spending. But going to 2.5% is basically going to do not much more than scratch the surface. We really need to be radical and go to 4% of GDP if we really are going to be able to do the job of defending the UK and protecting our interests overseas continuously and effectively. In the case of the Royal Navy, 95% of our… Read more »

Nick Paton
Nick Paton (@guest_835535)
1 month ago

Good Evening! Rebuilding our forces would be the sensible thing to do! I do not know why it is not possible for all major parties to agree a stable strong Defence policy without all this chop and change! Surely as we can all see there has been a complete lack of seriousness on the part of the Conservatives after Russia invaded Ukraine. Our forces are so weak it’s embarrassing ! Time now to adjust and rebuild without delay! Many times on this site over years we have raised these issues but to seemingly no avail. Of course the British public… Read more »

Last edited 1 month ago by Nick Paton