Armed police have arrested two men after multiple people were stabbed on a train in Cambridgeshire on Saturday evening.
British Transport Police confirmed they were called to an LNER service at around 19:39 after reports of stabbings on board a northbound train travelling between Stevenage and Peterborough. The train was stopped at Huntingdon station, where armed officers detained two suspects. Cambridgeshire Constabulary said several victims were taken to hospital. No details have yet been released about the number of people injured or the extent of their wounds.
Police said the A1307 was closed near the town centre as emergency services continued to respond. Huntingdon station has also been shut, with National Rail confirming that all lines remain blocked while investigations continue.
A spokesperson for LNER urged passengers not to travel, warning of “major disruption across the route”. The operator added that services would remain suspended between Stevenage and Peterborough until police lifted restrictions.
Eddie Dempsey, general secretary of the RMT transport union, said he was “deeply concerned to hear reports of multiple people stabbed onboard an LNER train tonight” and offered solidarity to the victims and rail staff involved.
Politicians across parties described the events as “horrifying”. Conservative Party chairman Kevin Hollinrake wrote that his thoughts were “with the victims and the emergency services responding to this incident”, while Shadow Home Secretary Chris Philp called it “a brutal mass attack” and urged police and ministers to provide updates as soon as possible.
Cambridgeshire and Peterborough mayor Paul Bristow called the incident “horrendous” and said his thoughts were with those affected.
Rail disruption has spread beyond the East Coast Main Line, with delays and cancellations reported on multiple routes including Avanti West Coast, CrossCountry, and Great Northern services. Police have not yet disclosed any motive. Both arrested men remain in custody as British Transport Police and Cambridgeshire officers continue their joint investigation.
One armed citizen….
So if we had one armed citizen yes in this situation he or she could have stopped them however if firearms were that easy to get then it wouldn’t have been a mass stabbing it would have been a mass shooting instead
One doesn’t necessarily mean the other to be fair. We could have armed citizens without handguns being “easy” to get.
I’m not talking about the ability to buy self loading rifles out of a shop. God forbid we have those sorts of freedoms in this country.
The US approach isn’t the only way we could go on this. Many countries do have this right for it’s citizens without the sorts of incidents we see in the US.
However a law abiding citizen, perhaps after attending a basic safety and handling class, perhaps having to re-qualify every few years having the “right” to then purchase a handgun for self defence should be something open to us, I believe. A registry of people exercising this “right” and Mental health checks could be part of it.
Would it mean more guns in society, yes.
Would it mean more shootings , almost certainly yes.
Inevitably if more handguns are in society then there will be an increase in all handgun related incidents.
Accidental death through bad handling of a handgun would become a thing. Something that could be reduced with a basic training requirement but it would still happen. Humans make mistakes.
Suicides by handgun would become a thing. Almost certainly the biggest number of lives lost would be as a result of suicides.
Random lunatic shootings would become a thing. Even with mental health and criminal background checks eventually some fall through the cracks however careful the checks.
However self defence shooting would become a thing too. Like the incident on this train a random passenger carrying a concealed handgun with some level of training could have stopped it in its tracks. Like a stabbing in the street could be stopped by a citizen armed if he’s in the right place at the right time. Like an attack on a church by a knife waving nut job being stopped by a church goer. Like a woman walking home at night defending herself from sexual assault. It does happen.
Somebody carrying a knife in order to hurt somebody for whatever reason would now have to consider the fact they may be shot while they do it.
Although i’m reluctant to use the US model (I don’t feel it’s the only or best way for the UK to go if we ever decided to go there) there are well over two million recorded incidents annually where a firearm has stopped a crime taking place. Usually as a result of the weapon being brandished but also sometimes as a result of it being discharged. They’re rarely reported on and never encouraged because of a generally negative press approach to all thing firearms related. The fact is a large number of assaults, rapes and murders are avoided because of a “good guy with a gun”.
We all should have the right to defend ourselves and each other and not rely entirely on the government to do it for us. Apart from anything else the government isn’t very good at it.
The government need only to give us the means to protect ourselves.
With all the safety checks in place (which we already have for firearms ownership) what would happen is the nutcases would still get them and we would see a rise in mass shootings it’s unavoidable my answer to dealing with this problem is to deport anyone on the terror watch list who is deportable stop letting in people who hate us and our culture have zero tolerance on that behaviour open our eyes and accept the biggest threat to our way of life is not the far right it’s Islamic terror groups and the grass that hides them police need to police the government needs to start being a government
How do you ‘deport’ British citizens?
I never said u can ? I said deport them that are deportable
Deport ‘British’ citizens? No problem : with proper legislation (urgently and necessarily forced through parliament) citizenship could then be revoked/rescinded and the offender, once they have served the requisite custodial sentence, can be deported to their country of ethnic origin. What about offenders of indigenous origin? Much harsher sentences than we currently have, eg., life should MEAN life for first degree murder. In the meantime, stopping any further influx of migrants to our beleguered homeland would be a desperately needed start.
Hopefully, we will get the government this country so badly needs in 2029. 🇬🇧🤞
“country of ethnic origin”… 🤣
So you think each country has its own ethnicity then? That may be the stupidest idea I’ve read on hear today.
Let me choose a really, really simple example for you, possibly the only example where your ideas are remotely possible…
After release from prison, you’re suggesting we strip British citizenship from someone who happens to be Jewish and deport them to Israel. Despite them not being an Israeli citizen… how do you manage that?
Or a British citizen whose ancestry is Japanese. How you deport him to a Japan? Violate their airspace and throw him out with a parachute? Threaten a trade war if they don’t accept him? 🤦🏻♂️
Simple fact, you can’t deport an individual to a country they aren’t already a citizen of, unless that country agrees to it. And why the hell should they?
If Saudi Arabian decided to deport all the Brits living there to Germany, just why would Germany agree?!?! 🤦🏻♂️
No idea who will be the next government in 2029, but I know it won’t be your Farage. The British people have always rejected extremists, of both the far left and the far right.
“The British people have always rejected extremists” – and which ‘British’ people would they be? Since liberalist tosspots like you regard any scumbag from any third world shit-hole who shleps into this country as ‘British’, that could be ANYBODY!
If there had been more traitors like you around in the ’30s, we’d all be speaking German by now.
I SINCERELY hope your retro viral drugs run out soon. 😱
Traitors like you in the 1930s were incarcerated for the duration of the war. Though your lot never really recovered from the cowardice they showed at the battle of Cable St.
I’ll let you get back to ironing your black shirt.
Sounds like we may have to agree to differ on this one Tim.
We may disagree on the issue of citizens having the right to carry a handgun for defence but it looks like we may agree on most other things.
Agree with your comments on deportations and the police and government stepping up completely.
It’s ok to disagree that’s what makes a functioning country we can’t all think the same that’s how good ideas don’t come to the surface, I’m a U.K. gun licence holder and I trust 99% of the people I come into contact with in that circle however I think widening that circle would be a mistake because they will get into the wrong hands either legally or people will get jumped for there guns in the U.K. we don’t really have a ultra vile t society yes it’s getting worse but I would rather see the law enforced far more harshly
So you can have a gun but you don’t want anyone else to have one. Got it
I have a gun licence which anyone can get providing they go through the process we ain’t talking about gun ownership we are talking about being armed with a pistol to carry for self defence so where the hell u got I don’t want anyone to have a firearms I guess only u would know
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Home office could factor in likely mental health or ability to settle well into a British society for people being granted uk citizenship.
I think a consideration of a person’s entire health is reasonable, to avoid becoming a dumping ground for people with expensive long-term medical needs. Other countries already consider this.
Ability to integrate is important, which is why a good level of English is essential. Language is the foundation of all cultural understanding.
Of course the above are for British citizenship.
I’d hate to see the U.K. turn away a refugee from Ukraine because their English isn’t yet perfect or because they suffer PTSD from the war.
To be fair I was unable stay the course in usa when I was a young man.
And then we have mass shooting, rather than mass stabbing. Unless it’s only the good guys than get guns?
Go away with you and that stupid commen
What good would a one armed citizen be?? The scumbags weren’t looking for a hand job, FFS!
Maybe fried chicken eating, Vietnam war losing, 9/11 snivelling, Afghanistan surrendering TRUMP MONKEYS should keep their ‘cryptic’ crap for their own Yenkee websites.
Have a reeal nice day y’all! 🇬🇧😗
Is this a defence topic?
Perhaps the biggest defence topic in this country.
I agree.
Ignoring any imminent mental health excuse its a matter of national security, of our communities across the entire nation filling up with murderers & rapist, not to mention the soon future requirement of being able to defend our towns from terror related drones being used to kill us.
God bless all the victims & families
Both born in the UK apparently
UK passport holders & 1st/ 2nd generation offspring.
7/7 London bombings were such.
Parents who do actually flee regimes are glad to be here, their children often grow up evil through their system.
How many thousand of British born Islamic youth are there dressed as ISIS types in the country.
As for prior comments regarding firearms, Pakistani fella caught in central Birmingham with 36 gun parts.
7/11 changed the world forever
Oct 7th as well
Next one may be in our primary schools or removing our anti-terror response & the bloodshed could last weeks.
No country in Europe is as relatively unprepared as us internally.
edit;
Not unprepared as i ln surveillance or intelligence gathering i refer to our inability to sustain an armed response to a threat with perseverance.
How to identify yourself as a racist without explicitly saying it..
Spock
When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one
Anyway, what’s wrong with highlighting terror in Britain, wouldn’t you agree?
Your message is written with British blood on your hands, not me pal, others blood may well be, but no British blood on my hands. Wether that’s ultimately justifiable or not is a separate debate.
Thats the difference between us.
When people start talking about “blood” you know they’ve left logic behind and instead are appealing to base instincts like hate.
You’re not highlighting terror. You’re inflating it, exaggerating it, revelling in it. It’s pretty clear that you’d love the opportunity to don an armband and to go into these communities “filled with murderers rapists” and proactively ‘defend’ yourself.
There’s nothing British about your attitude. Our greatest generation fought a world war to defeat your views.
Okay im not trying to get the last word in. We’ll leave it there.
Unless you’d like to say something which id be happy to view.
Thank you.
Once people play the ‘racist’ card, you know they haven’t got anything left in the locker to back up the obscure point that feeble minded, left-leaning, liberalist zealots are trying so frantically (and comically inefectually) to make.
Nobody needs yet another bigoted, fascistic, Anglo-phobic traitor in this country. If you don’t like it here, LEAVE. 🏴🖕
If something looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it’s probably a duck.
Same goes for racist fascists like yourself.
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It’s an article that George felt warranted an article on a UK centric defence website.
Is it defence related?
If this is revesled as terrorism, conducted by illegals or migrants who are here and hate our way of life then, yes, it is.
The Counter Terrorist Police who work to defend the UK against terrorism are very much defence related as they include Special Branch and links to the Security Service.
We await confirmation, but it does not surprise me that posters jump to conclusions, as this keeps happening and the response from HMG is jog on or let’s blame Farage for “spreading division.”
Bullshit. People are fed up.
‘If this is revesled as terrorism, conducted by illegals or migrants who are here and hate our way of life then, yes, it is.’
I’d argue that terrorism, no matter the origin of the perpetrator, warrants an article. Do we have any information as to the background of the attackers? Going off the statistics, the vast majority of terrorism offenders are of a British background, according Migration Watch. Jumping to conclusions is perhaps understandable given the current climate in the nation, but those conclusions aren’t borne out in the data.
Perhaps an article on the sentencing of Jaysley Beck’s attacker should be considered as well. I think it’s a more defence-related topic given the wider implications on the BA.
Not saying that this incident is terrorist related probably be but down to mental health issues. But it is a circular argument, yes these thing’s happen and yes it sucks when they do, people like Farage use event’s like these to stoke division, It works. Then you get Muslim extremists saying look we told you, the west hates you and people get radicalised and carry out more events like this, and then you get people like Farage and the Tories stoking more division and on and on, hence the circular argument.
What a load of bollocks🙄
Indeed! Farage points out the “bleeding obvious” that is downplayed and ignored by others.
That he highlights it isn’t stoking division, that “division” already exists. That is all too obvious to many, but not all, and that is where there is disagreement as how to proceed.
I’ll go as far to say Bleak mouse is actually part of the problem! If people like him can’t see what’s going on in this country then we are indeed doomed🤬
Farage is an opportunistic fuckwit who would sell out the UK if it suited Trump or his paymaster in the kremlin, in fact he’s already sold it once via brexit. Farage and reform say they want to protect women, what performative bullshit that is, they consistently fail to put forward a serious policy on violence against women, whilst voting against legislation that would protect women from violence. Farage says that reform will protect workers rights?? bullshit, they voted against the Workers rights act, but I’m the problem??? don’t be stupid be a smarty go and join the Reform party, but I have a feeling you already have, you feckin muppet
And which ‘division’ would this be?
Muslim versus Christian?
Western versus Eastern?
Catholic versus Protestant?
English versus Welsh?
Cavalier versus Roundhead?
Arsenal versus Tottenham?
Farage will seize on any opportunity to scapegoat a minority because politicians like him know that the oldest trick in the book will always work with those too lazy to think for themselves. It’s way easier to blame this week minority for your problems than to identify the real underlying issues and then struggle to resolve these – because silver bullets don’t exist.
An articulate, logical, reasoned response, NOT.
Doesn’t take Farage to tell us that Muslim MPs got Israeli fans banned from a football match,areas of our cities where you might as well be in a different country,mobs dressed head to foot in black outside mosques waving jihad flags etc,fun runs where women over 12 yrs old were not allowed to take part you mean that type of division?
I suppose you are going to tell us all the illegals that are costing us nearly £8b a year or so are all doctors and rocket scientists who will benefit our country? Look up the latest data on sexual crimes by these people,we have our own criminals without importing people we have no idea who they are!
If you have a hotel or HMO near you do you worry about your wife,daughters or grand children because there are many ordinary parents etc that do! They are not all far right racist nazi thugs are they?
I know that the majority of sex offenders and murderers in the U.K. are both white and male. So if any of my female relatives were to become a victim, the probability is that it would be someone looking like you.
Yes I’ve experienced places in the U.K. where it felt like a “different country”. It was Uig, and the Gaelic speaking locals went quiet when a bunch of bedraggled English teens wandered in looking for someone warm to dry out. But they didn’t judge people based on language or ethnicity.
I see you can’t differentiate between British citizens of non-white ethnicities and illegal migrants. Probably too difficult for hyoid single brain cell to handle.
Illegal migrants should be imprisoned in camps. They should be required to hand-over details about the smugglers and only POLITICAL asylum seekers should be granted refuge. The rest deported as quickly as possible.
Actually the illegals aren’t costing us £8bn a year. They are costing the foreign aid budget £8bn a year. I would much rather see that spent, as it intended, on relieving famine and disaster relief than on hotels bills.
I suspect this nuanced answer goes completely over your head, but decided to post it for the benefit of those who aren’t rage-filled racists.
I see you have descended into insults but hay ho that’s life I suppose😀but there is not one of my points that is wrong👍have a nice rest of the day let’s hope your wife gets you a nice dinner eh😉
Well you’re clearly too stupid to comprehend facts. If you you could you’d know that none of your ‘points’ standards up to my response, which is why you didn’t bother to attempt to defend them. So stupid, but not so stupid that you didn’t realise you’d been beat. 🤷🏻♂️
What do I need to defend? Everything I pointed out is in the news and common knowledge.again you resort to insults how do you respond to face to face discussions,I bet that’s fun isn’t it😂
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Not out dogging tonight for a change, then? 🚬
Fortunately I don’t experience many people like you in real life to disagree with. If I was doing time at his majesty’s pleasure I might encounter someone like you.
Everything you “pointed out” is not true. As I previously explained. Perhaps I should have used words with fewer syllables so that it was easier for you to read?
Perhaps I should use emojis instead, 🐎💩4🧠
Really keep trying! ive been bollocked and insulted by professionals and believe me you don’t even come close😂
If your so keen on Google perhaps you could look up what I’ve described 😉
I don’t need to keep trying. You’ve already proven to everyone on here that you’re irredeemably stupid.
So you’re familiar with the ethnicity of sex offenders then? And how’s that?
Maybe you’ve spent quite a lot of time living on the same wing as them…….
Some of us know how to use Google, whereas you are clearly too stupid or too lazy.
Or both.
The sooner you’re back on the nonce’s wing the better, 🚬ot.
You really are obsessed with your time in prison aren’t you? Was it there that you became a sex offender?
Or was it a case that the hard guys on the wing made you their birch?…
Ah dogging, sexual activity in front of others, either voyeuristic or actively involving others…
I see we’re making progress in en wrapping your degeneracy.
So when you were passed around in prison as the wing bitch, it’s was done as a communal activity with others watching. More a gang-bang situation with yourself as the centre of attention. Of course your hatred of non-whites already reveals a lot about the ethnicity of those using you for their pleasure.
I’m guessing the real anger and loathing you have really comes from the fact you enjoyed it?
Ah another mentally ill apologist. Farage and people like him actually hit the nail on the head, that’s why he continues to rise in the polls and starmer continues to have the worst numbers ever seen by a PM in recent decades
Precisely.
They play upon general anxiety and economic downturn by using a scapegoat to build popularity. Unfortunately, the general public quite rightly wants change, and fall into the trap of populism. If Farage is elected, my guess would be that there will be a lot of regret, much as we’re seeing in the US at the moment.
I think it’s very interesting that his supporters believe that this will tackle immigration, despite that being a talking point for various leaders over the past century, with none of them ever succeeding in doing anything about it. I’d be interested to know why people believe Farage will deliver where others have failed.
Or perhaps, the reason that immigration continues is because large businesses, those people that fund Farage, Starmer, Badenoch (and probably to some extent that twit Polanski) benefit massively from cheap labour provided by illegal immigration.
Ah! The Globalists in big business that fuel it.
Very much agreed.
Name 1 single man who enabled the withdrawal of the United Kingdom from European Union.
You couldn’t have set yourself up for a bigger fail than that phrased question.
On a note he never done so for Immigration issues but Sovereignty reasons.
But when it comes to the UK putting Brits 1st then yes him.
“I’d be interested to know why people believe Farage will deliver where others have failed.”
leh
Farage had little to no impact on the Brexit deal. He might have brought up the idea, but that doesn’t mean he had much role in implementing the results. Again, how does his role in making Brexit mainstream qualify him to do better than his predecessors on immigration?
The answer is, it won’t. Farage doesn’t care about the average British person anymore than Starmer or Badenoch do. His economic policies (go and read them) will do nothing but harm the most vulnerable, and benefit the rich. Don’t be deluded into thinking any of the pawns of the ultra-wealthy give a shit about the little guy. Farage will talk big on immigration, but ultimately will do nothing – the economy needs immigration, and most importantly, his donors needs their cheap, illegal labour.
The sovereignty reasons you mention were very frequently linked to immigration.
” If Farage is elected, my guess would be that there will be a lot of regret, much as we’re seeing in the US at the moment.”
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Yes there is regret, by non-republican voters, not the vast numbers who successfully got their president elected.
Democracy is & should be majority views 1st.
The minority being unhappy, while not ideal, isn’t the most important matter.
Perhaps you’ll agree?
I think you should take another look at voter turnout in that particular election, before claiming that the ‘majority’ of the nation voted for him.
And yes, there is definitely regret amongst Trump voters. Check the polling data.
“vast numbers who successfully got their president elected”
“Democracy is & should be majority views 1st.”
I didn’t.
It remains an accurate & true statement. Unlike your own ^^
I apologise.
You described the minority as being unhappy with Trump. So naturally assumed that you believed the majority were happy or neutral. I don’t believe many who didn’t vote for him have no switched sides, so I think it was reasonable to assume that you believed the majority had voted for him and we’re happy.
Again, my point still stands. Regret is growing in the US, voter turnout was poor, and Trump’s actions don’t represent the wishes of the overall majority of Americans, merely a majority of those who voted.
*were
Ive enjoyed reading many of your defence related posts & expect to continue doing so in the future 👍🏻
Thanks Tim, means a lot.
I don’t pretend to be at all qualified, just here to share my opinions.
Farage is a hate-monger who will appeal to losers basest instincts to shirk responsibility and instead blame others for their failures in life.
So someone pointing out something is stoking division interesting I think maybe people like yourself are the problem
I’ll take division over suicidal toleration any day
Well said, won’t get many takers here though.
That’s the problem. Discussions on defence matters here are usually dominated by the right-wing and fascist-adjacent. And this article should be in the crime section, not under land warfare.
Shouldn’t really be on the site at all. But stoking racial and ethnic tension is good for advertising revenue…
truth
💯% correct 👏🏻
I see the nonces are out in force tonight. Filth like you should be publicly hanged. 🖕😁
Given than “nonce” is prison slang and that you’re quick to label anyone who you disagree with as a sex offender… it’s pretty clear that your projecting. That you use “Mustafa”, a common name amongst the people you hate, as a nom de plume shows that projection figures strongly as a defence mechanism.
So when you were in prison, was it for sex offending or another crime? If the former, didn’t your therapist discuss your projecting issues?
1.5% of “Defence” spend is to go to resillience. The cascade of train services failures on multiple lines, caused by the actions of just one person, speaks to a lack of resilience to me. The train was stopped in a station, so it wasn’t blocking a line. Why then the “disruption … beyond the East Coast Main Line, with delays and cancellations reported on multiple routes including Avanti West Coast, CrossCountry, and Great Northern service”?
I hope that those with injuries make a speedy recovery and first thoughts must go to the immediate situation. Nevertheless, I don’t get why so many lines were affected. That will also need explanation at some point.
Apologies. I read it’s two people who have been arrested. My point remains.
Hi Jon.
Yes, Beeching did a fine job culling so many lines that could have acted as diversionary routes.
As a railway man ( now retired ) I might add some balance.
Yes, the train was stopped at a station, but that can still mean lines on the ECML there are blocked.
It also depends if the Down Main and Down Slow through Huntingdon are bi directional, and the nature of the incident.
The train was coming south from Doncaster, so was on the “Up” lines. Lines towards London are almost always “Up.”
One photo shows the “off side” of the train and emergency services on the tracks. So the side away from the platform, platform side or Cess side is called “near side.” So that adjacent line is also blocked, and likely the Down lines beyond it for emergency access.
No electric issues at least, as there are overhead wires on that route. Where I am it’s all blasted 3rd Rail so all lines switched off.
So it’s not a situation where trains can crawl past under caution using other lines through the station. They might if the incident is minor, bi directional lines exist, and emergency services don’t need access from the non platform side. Further into major failures like this you have things like working by Pilot man and Temporary Block Working to get trains through an area blocked by an obstruction, but I’m not going into those and you need extra staff to set those up, plus they take forever to organise!
Capacity and resilience, one big reason why HS2 is needed to help with the WCML. Its costing ridiculous amounts of money, so I don’t see many new routes opened soon resilience wise.
A few more observations regards railways and resilience.
Railways are not like cars on roads.
A blocked road, lots of diversionary options, turn around and go back, and cars can queue bumper to bumper.
Trains cannot.
They can only travel along the path set by the Signalman ( me ) at the limits of what the Signalling system will allow, in their path clear of other trains.
And we in this country actusally have excellent train services, tens of thousands a day, with only a limited number of lines they can travel on.
That is not the railways fault.
Neither is it the railways fault that most jobs are 9 to 5 with rush hours, and that there are too many people in the country full stop, another by-product of mass immigration with an ageing population as well.
Especially in the South East around London, where most railways radiate around or to.
So it’s a domino effect. It might seem odd that an incident affects services elsewhere, but train disruption means crews displaced, services terminated short or cancelled, leading to overcrowding elsewhere.
Each major route has a “Control.” Control will try to mitigate disruption by reducing stops, running fast, stopping services short, or cancelling trains altogether, with the aim of returning the service to normal for the next morning’s peak. Hate to say this, but in my experience they care not for the public caught up in it, the priority is to get trains into position for start up of service the next day.
With your 4 track ECML blocked that isn’t easy.
I have to admit, with 4 lines running through Huntingdon, I’m a little surprised that trains couldn’t crawl by, and if they’d said Thameslink disruption, I’d not have been surprised at all (Thameslink do Peterborough through London), but Avanti West Coast? The knock on effects weren’t limited to trains that go through Huntingdon.
I’m absolutely not ascribing fault. I am wondering if more investment is needed in infrastructure or procedure to ensure that, were this kind of thing done deliberately in a coordinated manner, half the country’s rail network couldn’t be brought to a halt. Hopefully that wouldn’t involve reversing the entirety of Beeching.
I didn’t take it that you were, Jon.
I agree, lots more investment in infrastructure is needed, especially railways!
Example. We had an underground railway in London once, it took mail from Paddington in the west to Liverpool St in the east.
Inefficient according to the PO, so closed and all taken by vans clogging up the roads!
Great stuff.
We don’t know the circumstances yet, and I don’t know all the answers, just that it’s not as easy sometimes as just running trains past. As said, it looked like the other lines were also blocked.
We need more railways for diversions as you rightly say.
Who’s going to pay?! Given the costs of HS2, the nimbyism present, environmental considerations, H&S stalling everything, and general governmental incompetence and that transport is lower down the list than Defence as our money goes on welfare.
No easy solutions I can see.
Your comment on a coordinated attack is an interesting one, which I’ve considered before.
These terror groups, with their mass killing and bad publicity, could cause mayhem without killing a soul. One could bring the railway to its knees easily if one knows the railway and what to target.
Something I know upstairs are aware of.
TBH attacks on critical infrastructure always have disproportionate impact on an economy. While parts of the railway could be crippled, we’ve seen the entire aviation sector in the U.K. shutdown on previous occasions.
Recent cockups at both AWS and MS have shown how many U.K. businesses are dependent on a duopoly of cloud-service providers. Take out one of these for an extended period and you have a worse situation than JLR recently experienced. Except it wouldn’t be one business, it would be thousands of businesses.
Fortunately terrorists aren’t usually that intelligent, so such attacks are beyond them (though the MS attack simply took a social-spoofing phone call). The major threat is from the likes of Putin and the hybrid warfare he’s currently raging against Europe.
This wasn’t an attack on critical infrastructure. This was an attack on people who happened to be on a train.
Perhaps I’m reading the reports wrongly, but wasn’t it the establishment of the crime scene, holding the train in the station for several hours, that caused most of the delays, rather than the attack itself? The perpetrators were arrested within eight minutes of the first emergency call and the victims evacuated to hospital promptly.
No you’re not reading reports wrongly. But what you are failing to read is this read of conversation which has progressed beyond talking about the individuals attacked to the wider impact it is having on infrastructure; rail in this particular case.
It was blocking the up slow’/stopper track, and still is’.
Given our most dangerous enemy is already within and well-established – yes.
Yes, but we can’t deport everyone who supports Reform, much as we might like to.
Agreed, though we did incarcerate Mosley for the duration of WW2 so there’s precedent there…
No it isn’t, but George will post unrelated stories these days as ragebait to increase interactions to help his figures for advertising revenue. 🤷🏻♂️
Waiting for the motive to be announced and confirmation if terrorism.
The fact that they were arrested ( or allowed themselves to be arrested ) is a change from the normal terrorist who keep going until they are neutralised.
If terrorism it’s the first of many and will cause panic in the run up to Christmas with shopping , markets and the transport network at risk..
I read on X that one was tasered, so didn’t give up quietly.
Shot dead would have been more fitting I feel.
Shot dead is lots of paperwork, possible trial and then disciplinary.
I’m happy the perpetrator was tasered as this way investigators will have a better chance to find out what the issue is.
Fair enough.
Not sure I agree with you there, Daniele. Those who commit these heinous acts shouldn’t be given that luxury.
Hi Leh. Fair enough. Rotting in prison instead. If this is terror related, it seems fitting to me that the attackers at London Bridge, and the man on Westminster Bridge were all shot dead by police.
The attackers who butchered Lee Rigsby survived.
Though if this was Islamic extremism, I read they want their place in heaven with the 72 Virgins so maybe you’re right!
Totally agree with you its a pity the two attackers were not shot dead.It will cost the tax payer £50k plus per year to keep each one in prison.Absolute vermin
If the Home Secretary tells us not to speculate, then it seems pretty obvious to most people that this incident was either terrorist or “illegal” person related.
My thoughts and prayers are with all those affected and I hope that the real story behind the perpetrators will be released sooner rather than later.
I hope this isn’t another “Southport”, but suspect that it probably is.
Yes we must not jump to to conclusions remember a time before when we all jumped to conclusions and it turned out to be a welsh choir boy who just happen to be growing ricin and reading AQ manuals
💯% correct
Ahh, Opinions and assumptions.
Europe has fallen and the worst part is that there are people who don’t want to face the problem because the solution isn’t “tolerant”
You believe all the rubbish that spews out of the Kremlin, vatnik?
I wonder what his name will be? Muhammad, faisal, or maybe even perhaps david?
I somehow doubt it will be that last one though
Statistics say the vast majority of terror offenders in the UK are of a British background. Obviously we don’t have the details on this incident as of yet, but an education guess would suggest ‘John’ would be most likely.
Oh sure, I remember the mass casualty attacks in London 2005 and Manchester 2017. Many a John in those incidents right?
And I am sure these two “people” on that train will be called keith and craig right?
But whatever helps you sleep at night.
Do you also remember the mass casualty attacks in the 1990s by Copeland? Do you remember the 2010 Raoul Moat shootings? Do you remember the Liverpool car attack? Do you remember the attacks perpetrated by Damien Bendall? Of course you don’t, you’re too busy jumping to conclusions.
These terrorists may be migrants, they may be British nationals. We don’t know. Maybe wait before deciding.
Edit: They’re both British nationals.
Neither called John. You might want to catch up on world events, Leh, because you’re talking like it’s still 1995.
We don’t know their names. They could be called anything, for what we know.
Anyway, that’s not the point. The point is that we shouldn’t jump to conclusions without information.
Since when did first name determine someone’s treatment under the criminal justice system?
💯% 👏🏻
🚬ot, more like!
The fascist attempt to be funny, and fails miserably.
…. says the traitor trying to deflect attention from the fact he’s a sex offender. 🖕
British background isn’t the issue though is it.
The stereotype, as seen by some comments here, is to jump on illegals in boats. That indeed may or may not be the case here, though a binman was murdered last week in Uxbridge where I understand that was the case. Starmer, typically, has been quiet on that one.
That is not accounting for a wider issue. Whether the perputrators of these attacks are Brits or not, do they accept our values and way of life, or, if they also happen to be migrants, so not Brits by birth, have they integrated?
Clearly, that is increasingly not happening.
My father was a migrant, he didn’t go around stabbing people because he disliked the culture or wants to support Palestine, and he had no British name either.
There is a saying. “A dog born in a stable doesn’t make it a horse.”
Someone born here doesn’t make them integrate or respect wider society either.
British born, British passport holder, means zero if one is against the society of the nation they reside in.
There are wider issues at play here.
Unless the old mentally ill card is played here, why should a typical Brit from Bedford deside to go out stabbing people on trains, ramming pedestrians off of London Bridge, or run amok in Borough Market?
I can only think of two mass attacks, those shootings in Hungerford and Dunblane in the 80s and 90s, by white, non remarkable, natives with clear mental health problems.
‘I can only think of two mass attacks, those shootings in Hungerford and Dunblane in the 80s and 90s, by white, non remarkable, natives with clear mental health problems.’
Really Daniele? Do you not remember Raoul Moat and his attacks against the police in 2010? There’re plenty, plenty of examples of mass attacks being perpetrated by ‘white natives’. Damien Bendall’s horrific murder of his wife, unborn baby, two children and friend, for example, in 2022. The Liverpool car attack recently is another.
But you’re absolutely right in your appraisal of integration. Levels of integration are poor across the UK, and much, much more needs to be done. Unfortunately, stereotyping the nationality of terrorists based on internal biases is not conducive to successful integration efforts.
Hi Leh.
Was just reading your post above before your reply to me….Moat….I recall that name but not the incident, it’s going to bug me now I’m going to look.
Liverpool car ram, yes, that is too recent for me to forget.
Violence is violence on all sides, we “natives” have our sadists too. Problem is, we didn’t import those so the outrage is less.
No argument with your second paragraph, I’m in full agreement.
Agree with all of this, hope I didn’t come across as rude or dismissive in any way. Apologies if I did.
You didn’t, thought never crossed my mind!
It’s refreshing to have an adult conversation on these subjects without resorting to the usual “race” insults, which is utter cobblers and is thrown around a lot.
People can agree to disagree, and people can still show respect. 👍
Funnily enough, Farage has called endlessly for a serious ADULT conversation nationwide on the topics we have discussed here, and gets shot down all the time for it.
I watched the latest one only two days ago.
And still he is dismissed, still the situation continues, still the establishment have their fingers in their ears, and still he continues to rise in the polls.
And people wonder why.
Some things he says are bang on. Others, I disagree with, much as with any politician or anyone’s point of view.
OK, the chap who went on the run in Northumberland, I remember now.
He had it in for the Police and his ex girlfriend,.
A bit different from someone motivated by a hatred for the society in which they’ve been brought up ( in the case of a Brit who is from a minority community) or a migrant not long arrived with similar ideas.
The end result is the same though.
Yeah, fair enough.
When u say British background do u mean white British ?
Slight error there, the train was travelling Southbound to London King’s Cross, not North.
I know I will get shouted at, but I think it is time the UK looked at India’s handgun laws. Private citizens, with a police permit, are allowed a small pistol for target shooting, security & self defence. Only 3 weak calibres are allowed. .22LR, then .32 acp for semi autos & .32 S&W Long for revolvers. Not enough to go on a mass killing spree, but enough to fight off a maniac, with a knife/machete/axe.
Then instead of people stabbing people we will have terrorists with legally held handguns instead and u can definitely go on a mass killing with any of them calibres
Are you going to ban rocks & kitchen knives? The sad fact is that someone will always find a way to kill someone if they want to. The point with weak handguns, is that you are unlikely to kill more people than you would have done with knives. There is a limit to how effective all law can be. Murder has been illegal since the first civilizations over 5000 years ago. Yet it still goes on.
I don’t plan on banning anything but it is har easier to kill lots of people with a gun over a knife and I’m sorry but I don’t trust my fellow man I know that some Islamic nutcase will use it to kill people and a .22 can easily kill someone so can the other calibres you mentioned I think there is a argument to be had on the public being allowed mace or a stun gun
Hang on, your idea is to introduce more weapons into the population? That’s a good idea?
I would urge you to take another look at the Indian situation.
Agreed.
Given a lot of these guys are ostensibly British (meaning they have a passport), I don’t think giving them access to firearms is a good idea
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how are more guns is going to solve criminality? it only makes the violence and death toll higher because criminals will get their hands on them even easier. imagine shooting a gun in a panicked crowded moving train? better hope the person is a cool headed crack shot.
US has plenty of guns (even some open carry laws) and yet has some of the worst violence in the world.
guns is not the answer. no thank you.
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First of all, I wish all the victims a speedy recovery. This includes not just the physically injured but also those injured emotionally.
I agree with Supportive Bloke. New intelligence may be gained.
I’m seriously considering buying a couple of stab vests for my wife and I. We don’t fancy getting done in by a maniac on a day out in London, and it’s happening more and more.
Advice needed. Are those on Amazon legit? What should I be looking for please?
Question to all current or ex military and police types….
I think there are some good YouTube videos on exactly this sort of thing. Unfortunately, I can’t paste any links. I’m sure you’re already aware, but be careful of anything too cheap or ‘too good to be true’, cause it’s usually junk. With these kinds of protective items as well, poor quality is sometimes not only useless but dangerous in itself.
I’d considered that, which is why I put it out there here! Too much fake rubbish.
beyond my paygrade. something that is easier -> thick leather jacket will help vs slash injuries, however won’t stop a penetrating blade
BTW there are some cool leather motorcycle jackets that way you still look fashionable 🙂
Thanks!
Get a grip.
Never heard of a grip, is it good?
If you mean “get a grip” as in don’t exaggerate, when it comes to the safety my family, I’ll be the judge of that thanks.
The question I asked was an honest one if such vests are useful and affordable for non police/military uses, that’s all.
You should stop reading scare stories from the far-right.
I’ve lived in London over 30 years, the vast majority in ethnically diverse boroughs. Never witnessed a single knife-crime nor have any of my friends. You’re not going to ‘get done by a maniac’ when you visit.
I would however recommend not wandering around as a phone-zombie though. Youths on bikes are adept at snatching them from the hands of the unsuspecting, that’s the major crime issue at the moment…
well i guess since you have never seen it it doesn’t happen. I too have been in london since late 80s and never seen any stabbings. Mind you, I have witnessed a few serious street fights (with pint glass or bottles- not fatal but fairly grewesome cuts) after pubs close.
yet stabbings do happen, plenty of real stories of this covered by the press, as well as all the other stabbings that occur but are not reported by the press because not high profile enough . FYI there were 16,344 reported knife crimes in London in 2024, up 9% from previous year. Knife crime has increased by 78% over the past decade across England and Wales.
so no need to belittle someone for being concerned about a real issue.
my 2 cents
PS even if chances are low, such an incident can be life changing when it happens to you,( i am not talking PTSD, but a serious injury like the loss of an eye etc…)
There’s nothing “belittling” about pointing out that’s the chances of being “done in” by a knife wielding maniac while visiting London round to 0%.
Yes there’s knife crime in London, usually by criminals against other criminals – I won’t shed any tears there. Not exclusively though, but 16k incidents in a population of nearly 10m is nothing to worry over.
Funny you don’t warn him about the greatest risk in London though, phone theft. I know plenty that have had theirs swiped.
The BBC are reporting both are British born. One 32 year old black British man. And a 35 year old British man of Caribbean descent.
A very sad day for the victims, their families and the communities they live and work in. It is also another sad day for the country. The country I grew up in has gone and I genuinely fear for my grandchildren. We post about defence and resilience and what we would like to see but our society is falling apart. The nation is racke with crime, disgust, distrust and in some cases hate. God help the future generation.
Agreed. Must not have too much of an opinion on that though, you’ll be labelled “right wing.”
UK murder rate is quite low, 1 per 100,000, and I believe violent crime numbers have fallen. But that doesn’t lessen the sense of breakdown in society.
40% of children under 16 in SEND, no control of borders, key institutions – monarchy, parliament, justice system, churches. – all losing credibility.
It is hard to be anything but deeply gloomy about the country’s future.
Pretty sure I heard all that growing up in the 70s too… 🥱
Deary me, It’s worse than Farce Book !
That does take some doing.l given some some of the fruitcakes on there.
Thankfully still not as bad as bad as Twatter…
Here we go again, and escalating situation under Labour and if we complain or talk about the perpetrators we’re far right fascist Nazi genocidal madmen 🤣🤣
Yep, this board is full of intolerants who cannot cope with an alternate view. An exception is Leh, who shows respect for differing views and with whom one can converse.
The others? I’d not bother to respond, and I won’t, they only want a row to make a point and look good.
Can’t see any point in these types of conversations, It only causes grown men to act like “Halfwits”. Nobody changes their views and every assumption is based on not knowing the actual facts yet.
But people guessed the facts immediately though?
Are you kidding??
I take it you haven’t heard of the intolerance paradox then?? The paradox of tolerance, formulated by philosopher Karl Popper, is the idea that to maintain a tolerant society, one must be intolerant of intolerance. A society that tolerates everything, including those who seek to suppress the freedoms of others, risks being destroyed by those very intolerant elements. Therefore, for a society to protect its own tolerance, it must be willing to limit or suppress the freedom of those who would destroy it. Key aspects of the paradox
Unlimited tolerance leads to intolerance: If a society is completely tolerant, it must tolerate intolerant people. If those intolerant people then take power, they will likely end the tolerant society.
I could go into more detail but I will let you do your own research on the subject
I wish you all the best In your future endeavours
Fastest way to ensure you’ll never have a constructive dialogue is call the other side Nazis.
You’re the one introducing politics into a simple crime story 🤷🏻♂️
“A simple crime story” 🤣🤣
Ok Keir
Ok flat-earther 🤷🏻♂️
Farage is an opportunistic fuckwit who would sell out the UK if it suited Trump or his paymaster in the kremlin, in fact he’s already sold it once via brexit. Farage and reform say they want to protect women, what performative bullshit that is, they consistently fail to put forward a serious policy on violence against women, whilst voting against legislation that would protect women from violence. Farage says that reform will protect workers rights?? bullshit, they voted against the Workers rights act, but apparently people like me are the problem??? don’t be stupid be a smarty go and join the Reform party, but I have a feeling some on here already have