A new Royal Navy logistics centre in Portsmouth dedicated to the maintenance of the Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers has been officially opened.

George has a degree in Cyber Security from Glasgow Caledonian University and has a keen interest in naval and cyber security matters and has appeared on national radio and television to discuss current events. He also works for the NHS. George is on Twitter at @geoallison
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Just me
Just me
4 days ago

Gosh! A stores shed!

ChariotRider
ChariotRider
4 days ago
Reply to  Just me

It is often the very mundane that wins wars. The final whosh bang cycle is dependent on a lot of people, many miles from the front, doing their jobs and having the kit to do it.

I believe I am right in saying that the allied army that defeated Germany in 1944 – ’45 had 70 to 80% of its strength delivering supplies to the frontline unit…

Store sheds and trucks may not win wars, but as Putin has recently found out, poor logistics can seriously spoil your day.

Cheers CR

Last edited 4 days ago by ChariotRider
eclipse
eclipse
4 days ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

Hey CR. Even though logistics and supplies are very important, due to the lack of a long range ground based air defence system and, even more pressingly, completely inadequate numbers of Sky Sabre both in service and to be procured, what would prevent this facility from being instantly eliminated?

Darren hall
Darren hall
4 days ago
Reply to  eclipse

That’s ok… Portsmouth is also home to the Type 45…

Gavin Gordon
Gavin Gordon
4 days ago
Reply to  Darren hall

Often thought that maintaining the Sampson on ARE Portsdown Hill would provide specific early warning for Portsmouth when networked to available T45s.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
4 days ago
Reply to  Gavin Gordon

Yes, Davey B has remarked on what may be possible using that facility.

Armchair Admiral
Armchair Admiral
4 days ago
Reply to  Gavin Gordon

Yes, and having a small CAMM “storage unit” next to it might be useful. Nice umbrella for Portsmouth?
AA

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
4 days ago

Agree- if that radar set is working than some PODS with CAMM/ Sea Ceptor or better still Aster 30 would be a good idea. At least that way the home of the RN is protected- forget the fact the rest of the UK could really do with some of those facilities too. By my reckoning if we had say 10-15 such sites strategically dotted around the UK we would have the beginnings of a decent air defence network/ BMD network.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
4 days ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

Agreed. I count at least 30 sites of CNI in the military/gov/intel agencies alone.

Sadly we know it won’t ever happen, we are very expeditionary orientated. I’d like both, but there are lots of things I’d like!

Quentin D63
Quentin D63
4 days ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

With you all on this. Appropriate GBAD coverage, shared inventory with the RN, all linked in with ships and shore based radar networks. Hope the powers that be are thinking of implementing such things.

Darren hall
Darren hall
4 days ago
Reply to  Gavin Gordon

Now that would be a simple answer for a lot of the issues…. And a perfect place…

Brooklyn
Brooklyn
2 days ago
Reply to  Darren hall

I am making $92 an hour working from home. i was greatly surprised at the same time as my neighbour advised me she changed into averaging $ninety five however I see the way it works now. I experience mass freedom now that I’m my non-public boss.
 That is what I do.. http://www.profit97.com

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johan
johan
2 days ago
Reply to  Brooklyn

Still allowing this SHIT i see.

Brooklyn
Brooklyn
2 days ago
Reply to  Darren hall

I am making $92 an hour working from home. i was greatly surprised at the same time as my neighbour advised me she changed into averaging $ninety five however I see the way it works now. I experience mass freedom now that I’m my non-public boss.
 That is what I do.. http://www.profit97.com

Last edited 2 days ago by Brooklyn
Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
4 days ago
Reply to  eclipse

Whos attacking Portsmouth? I can’t think of any country who is going to invade the U.K. if the U.K. was getting close to looking like that was a possibility defences would be put in place. Right now mobile anti air/anti missile has to be the focus. There always seems to be this illusion that a Sam system protects everything and nothing gets through, every sam system that has been real world attacked has failed to catch everything. So the question is then is it worth the billions to purchase and use. What would you cut? Carriers? Batch 2 type 26.… Read more »

David John Bevan
David John Bevan
4 days ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

I’d spend the money on defence to bridge capability gaps and I’d take the money from the budgets of Diversity Officers and from painting rainbows on Police Cars

David Barry
David Barry
3 days ago

And Avanti trains, town hall flags, lanyards and bracelets worn by the emergency services, etc.

David Flandry
David Flandry
3 days ago

😂

Jonathan
Jonathan
4 days ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

if it did escalate with Russia the Russian navy now very much looks to a bastion idea of keeping its SSNs all in a nice safe place and using them to hurl cruise missiles at random Key NATO bases. So we know any shooting escalation with Russia will lead to cruise missile attacks on key sites.

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
3 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

It might do.

Russia can launch its cruise type missiles from the surface fleet or aircraft as well. Launching from an SSN you might as well send NATO an email with its location on it?

Although I suspect we would then discover just how good NATO EW was.

There will be a lot of high level EW stuff that we won’t have turned on at all as yet.

The phrase ‘you ain’t seen nothing yet’ would be appropriate!

Jonathan
Jonathan
3 days ago

I believe that’s the crux of why the analysis is that the Russian SSN fleet operations are moving to a bastion model. They are focusing the refit of their SSNs to be long range land attack missile carriers. It looks like they have pretty much abandoned trying to engage wester ASW and force the Atlantic, as 90% of their fleet is old and loud.

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
3 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

You do also wonder about reactor life on their old SSNs sprinting them around will use it up and I’ll bet the turbines were made in…….Ukraine……so when those wear out……

I think they are being nursed along but with the total lack of spares Russian SSN activity may come to a close quicker than might be appreciated…..

As I’ve said a few times there is another whole dimension to this war and that is munitions and platform technology & manufacture.

Marius
Marius
4 days ago
Reply to  eclipse

Oh dear … if this and if that and if not and if and if …
No military in the world has all of everything. Cue the abysmal performance of the hoo-haa Russian military in Ukraine who supposedly had so much, then getting their come-uppance with a plucky, proud, small military supplied with bits of modern kit.
You get the drift?!

David Steeper
David Steeper
3 days ago
Reply to  Marius

But what if 500,000 Russian troops backed up by the entire PLAN suddenly appear of the Isle of Wight teleported there by the Venusian intergalactic Confederation ? It’s complacency like yours that will be the death of this country. 😱😱

Johan Agar
Johan Agar
2 days ago
Reply to  eclipse

Question, do you assume that every MOD base/station or store, has no defence cover.

johan
johan
2 days ago
Reply to  eclipse

Well unless you intend on shooting back with Lightbulbs, door handles and hinges and locker doors. not a lot if the Storage shed goes pop…

Barry Larking
Barry Larking
4 days ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

Exactly right. Look what happened to the Russian army group first stuck and then destroyed outside Kyiv in February and March. Reportedly ran out of fuel, food and spares.

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
4 days ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

I think it was more like 35–40% of all personnel in WW2 allied armies were support personnel- eg payroll clerks, logistics, medical staff, engineers, headquarters officers, intelligence, military police etc. In Russia’s army it was about 90% frontline strength as most of the Red army were the poor slogging infantry riding on-top of tanks or self propelled howitzers- pretty much the same as today. Hence why they are losing and badly in Ukraine. Que JohnSki reply of how his wonderful Russian army are winning it most excellently in Ukraine and how Russia’s army is a model of decency and is… Read more »

JohninMK
JohninMK
2 days ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

Re your comment, I’ll just point out that the first Donbas pocket with an estimated 2-2500 Ukrainians in is now closed and the next one with perhaps 20,000 is getting closer. The fight is becoming increasingly one sided and is, on current progress, hardly “losing and badly in Ukraine”.

Airborne
Airborne
2 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Does that excite you? Knowing an illegal invasion of a sovereign nation is now actually slowly becoming more successful and innocent people, in and out of uniform, who did not start this war, are dying, being raped, tortured and murdered and having their towns, cities and country destroyed by a brutal Nazi regime headed by top Nazi nonce Putin? Does that excite you, please you? Tissues out? Any condemnation of Putins illegal invasion of Ukraine yet?

Klonkie
Klonkie
4 days ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

excellent observations CR, very well put. I was in Air Force Ops and intel in the 1980’s. Our appraisal of Soviet logistics was very unfavorable.

Interesting to note 40 years later , how wrong we were. It’s actually far worse than we thought!

David Flandry
David Flandry
3 days ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

” Armchair generals study tactics, real generals study logistics.”

Brooklyn
Brooklyn
3 days ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

I am making $92 an hour working from home. i was greatly surprised at the same time as my neighbour advised me she changed into averaging $ninety five however I see the way it works now. I experience mass freedom now that I’m my non-public boss. 
That is what I do.. http://www.profit97.com

Last edited 3 days ago by Brooklyn
Ian M
Ian M
4 days ago
Reply to  Just me

If wit was sh*t, you’d be constipated!

Klonkie
Klonkie
4 days ago
Reply to  Ian M

not worth getting upset about Ian , you are off course quite correct.

Sean
Sean
4 days ago
Reply to  Just me

Don’t knock it, the concept of stores seems completely alien to the Russian military given their performance.

“Amateurs talk tactics,
professionals talk logistics”

johan
johan
2 days ago
Reply to  Sean

Thats because there plan was to steal it,

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
4 days ago
Reply to  Just me

Yes. Logistics are vital. A military is nothing without the tail on which all else is built.

Geoff Roach
Geoff Roach
4 days ago

Providing the passive tail isn’t wagging the active dog !!😉

AV
AV
4 days ago
Reply to  Just me

Thought this previously announced way back when the new jetty and power supplies were put in place.

Rudeboy
Rudeboy
3 days ago
Reply to  AV

It was announced but it has now been completed and is in full operation.

Damo
Damo
4 days ago

Outrageous waste of tax payers money. And what will defend it? Fitted for but not with sheds for security? Can it defend itself from hypersonic missiles? If the MoD hadn’t wasted money on Ajax we could have had 4 of these… civil servants, too many top brass etc.

On the flip side, containers and logistics 👍

Sean
Sean
4 days ago
Reply to  Damo

I bet it’s also completely lacking triple 15 inch gun turrets too! 🤷🏻‍♂️

Damo
Damo
4 days ago
Reply to  Sean

And where’s the contingency if the scots leave?

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
4 days ago
Reply to  Damo

Contingency? In what? infrastructure?

Damo
Damo
4 days ago

I thought in my 1st post it was obvious I was rehashing all of our usual complaints but it looks like I didn’t do the greatest job of it

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
4 days ago
Reply to  Damo

Mate, to be fair to you I had noted that was a wind up. Your contingency question had me thinking you’d moved on to a more serious topic.

Damo
Damo
4 days ago

Yeah, i think I’ve lost the plot. All I wanna do is sleep but the 2 bairns have the same as me and I’m spending half my time on the bog or cleaning up their sick. Not the time for straight thinking lol

Spyinthesky
Spyinthesky
4 days ago
Reply to  Damo

So your argument is it’s a complete waste of money but we should have had 3 more of it. You should be head of the MoD with logic like that.

Damo
Damo
4 days ago
Reply to  Spyinthesky

I am the head of the MoD psyops team called “w.h.o.o.s.h.”, and you sir, have just suffered a whoosh moment

David Steeper
David Steeper
4 days ago
Reply to  Damo

😁😁 To be fair he was being ironic but congrats on your comments anyway.

Damo
Damo
4 days ago
Reply to  David Steeper

Honestly, am losing the plot. Stuff coming out both ends last few days so am not with it 😂😂😂🤦🏻

David Steeper
David Steeper
4 days ago
Reply to  Damo

Yeah ok too much information. 😂😂

Darren hall
Darren hall
4 days ago
Reply to  Damo

Stuff out of both ends!!! Are you a politician now??

Farouk
Farouk
4 days ago
Reply to  Damo

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Robert Blay.
Robert Blay.
4 days ago
Reply to  Damo

😄👍

Jacko
Jacko
4 days ago
Reply to  Damo

TBF in time of war if we spoof Garmin and tomtom their missiles will get lost anyway👍😄

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
4 days ago
Reply to  Jacko

Actually the main digital online mapping companies did switch off their services in and around Ukraine.

So there might well be some degree of truth in what you say…..or it might be that the Russians were using TomTom for their logistics….

Dern
Dern
4 days ago

Did anyone else read
The Royal Navy say here that the New Hampshire facility…
?

Live Free or Die

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Steve M
Steve M
4 days ago

I wonder if the Captain or Logs Officer on QE put in request for 36 F-35’s it would work? that would help get it returned to Ops 🙂

Geoff Roach
Geoff Roach
4 days ago

Why don’t they store everything on the carriers.? There’s more than enough hanger space, at least for the next ten years. 😕

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
4 days ago
Reply to  Geoff Roach

I guess that is what they want FSS for mate😉

Seriously, more of this sort of thing is needed and too many only think of “defence” as the bang and the wary stuff, not the rest that enables that capability in the first place.

Example. They spent over £650 million on GOSCC and wider site. It has no missiles or guns. A waste? How many have even heard of it and what it does?

The tail is as important as the front end.

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
4 days ago

Its true- RAND did an analysis on why the PLAN for example are still not a threat to countries outside the first island chain- despite being a massive fleet with now 3 aircraft carriers. Its because of the lack of logistics and oversees bases- although they are obviously working on that. cough cough Solomon islands cough. Logistics are key. We only need to be worried about China when their reach is improved. Currently their fleet leaves port with 5-6 days supplies and a much smaller crew number onboard than a comparable NATO warship. They are simply not intending to sortie… Read more »

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
4 days ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

Agreed. But I rate the UKs overseas bases and supply networks as even higher importance.

Which is why I fear for our global ability if the opposition get in.

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
4 days ago

What have the opposition said in regards to overseas bases and access to friendly ports? I thought hat both main parties are broadly on the same page apart from labour saying increase the defence budget. (Easy when ur the opposition)

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
4 days ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

To be fair, nothing, and that is what worries me.
I feel the current lot are little different from previous if you look under the surface.
Would Corbyn have handed the SBAs back as a “Colonial” remnant?
Blair’s more centralist government understood our world role. I’m yet to be convinced current left leaning Labour parties do.
I feel it’s subservient to the EU all over again.
I’m quite happy to be shown to be wrong on this by the way MS.

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
4 days ago

Ive been turned off from politics for a while so haven’t a clue to be honest. From the Blair years I actually felt interested and that they were doing would they could to make everyone’s lives better. Living standards went up etc etc. Things can only get better as the song said. Then Cameron but with clegg attached to stop the worst. It was a major financial crisis, everyone’s in it together. From Cameron onwards it was career politicians that came through as the old lot retired. Alan Johnson, Prescott, the tory guys can’t remember names now. Now everyone has… Read more »

David Steeper
David Steeper
4 days ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

New Labour and the Foreign Office proposed handing Gibraltar to Spain. It was overruled by Blair because of the politics not the principle. To be honest the Foreign Office worries me even me more than Labour.

Marius
Marius
4 days ago

Correct – broadly speaking Boris & Co were (still is) hugely better than anything on offer under Corbyn’s mantra at the December 2019 election.
And the axiom still holds for Labour’s offering today …

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
3 days ago
Reply to  Marius

The trouble is that the Corbyn, hard left rabble, are still in a lot of shadow cabinet positions.

So it would only take a leadership change for a hard left pivot to take place.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
3 days ago

Exactly. Why people cannot see this is beyond me.
I pray traditional working class Labour voters ( not the metropolitan elite ) are aware of what they vote for.

Klonkie
Klonkie
3 days ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

With regards to to your accurate observation: “Its because of the lack of logistics and oversees bases- although they are obviously working on that. cough cough Solomon islands cough”

This is precisely why we in Aus and NZ are increasingly concerned with Chinese expansion.

Sean
Sean
4 days ago
Reply to  Geoff Roach

Wrong.

Again.

Geoff Roach
Geoff Roach
4 days ago
Reply to  Sean

Go on Sean. If you dig far enough I bet you will find you have got a sense of fun somewhere.

Sean
Sean
4 days ago
Reply to  Geoff Roach

I just don’t equate “fun” with “stupid” as you appear to.

Geoff Roach
Geoff Roach
4 days ago
Reply to  Sean

Point proved, I think.

johan
johan
2 days ago
Reply to  Geoff Roach

Modern supply chains, there no longer order 400,000 loo rolls they now all order Just in time. still held in central stores, just taken out of on-site ordering.

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins
4 days ago

??? Thoughts on this subject.

Boeing sees potential export customers for updated MQ-25 Stingray22 JUNE 2022

“The MQ-25 UAV is designed to refuel carrier-based aircraft. The UK, France, and Italy are among allies with aircraft carriers. However, the UK’s Queen Elizabeth-class carrier uses a ski-jump capability, which the MQ-25 design does not support.”

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/air-platforms/latest/boeing-sees-potential-export-customers-for-updated-mq-25-stingray

Farouk
Farouk
4 days ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

Love it if one of its operators was called Troy Tempest.

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Simon
Simon
4 days ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

France would want to utilize the catapults. I like the bell 247 UAV tilt rotor which fits with F35 b. An unmanned osprey.

Sean
Sean
4 days ago
Reply to  Simon

France will want its own design, buying American is last-resort for them.

Sean
Sean
4 days ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

The latest Italian carrier uses a ski-jump too, along with most other ships from which F35Bs will be flying off. And more navies are buying the F35B than the F35C – only the USN.
Perhaps Boing should look at adding that ability to the MQ-25 if they want foreign sales…

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
3 days ago
Reply to  Sean

This is where I do chuckle at the F35C good F35B bad arguments and that F35B will be canned arguments.

F35B has got a larger operation footprint and market penetration that F35C which is a single user USN version. It is far more likely that the F35C will actually get frozen at some point.

There are enough carriers that will have F35B on board that it would make sense to have a drone system to do AAR and there is a long term persistent need to support the F35B

Geoffi
Geoffi
4 days ago

Fitted for but not with actual supplies.

The Royal Navy is a joke…

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
4 days ago
Reply to  Geoffi

Since when is the RN not with supplies ( bar the ongoing FSS when deployed ) saga?

Do you like to write absolute tosh or do you like moaning for the sake of it? This new facility is a positive.

Having recently returned from deploying a carrier group of several ships for months to the other side of the world plus keeping up its many other standing commitments the RN obviously is supplied, or did they deploy on thin air?

Geoffi
Geoffi
4 days ago

I think the MoD and Admiralty like to spend pin money on side issues in order to con us that they have concerns greater than their private pensions.
We can worry about carp like this when we have the ships to arm and resupply..

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
4 days ago
Reply to  Geoffi

Without “carp” like this it affects the ability of ships able to deploy and carry out their role.

when we have the ships to arm and resupply..”

Sorry, cannot help you if that is what you think!!

Geoffi
Geoffi
3 days ago

ok.

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
4 days ago
Reply to  Geoffi

If the Royal Navy is a joke then all other navies apart from the top 5 must be an even bigger joke

Geoffi
Geoffi
3 days ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

All those other navies werent the biggest and most powerful
afloat 70-odd years ago.
A succession of UK governments over the decades in between have persistently forgotten we are an island that nearly starved to death via belligerent naval action twice in the last century.

Jay R
Jay R
4 days ago

Is “Aircraft Carrier” the wrong title for these ships? Maybe Multirole Cruiser would be better, to properly reflect the amount of time these warships will be deployed without fighter jets. Which I predict will only be 25%. Only the USN has lethal, deployable and persistent naval aviation combat assets ready to go globally. I will say it again, the UK invented CATOBAR that’s what we should have now. 2 CATOBAR carriers with SuperHornets or F35, Osprey and Hawkeye, with training embedded with the USN Goshawk fleet. Not affordable you might say, well we certainly find the money to send foreign… Read more »

Frank62
Frank62
4 days ago
Reply to  Jay R

Having invented CATOBAR(& carriers for that matter), like you say, & built carriers since their inception, it staggered me too that we failed to provide catapults for launching aircraft. Even if EMALs(?) was a non starter, could we not have just got a steam generator to do it like we used to? VSTOL is good, but not very flexible if you have to have special deck coatings to do it. Harriers were able to land on helipads if necessary/in emergency. We have what we have now & I’m glad we have carruiere strike back, but a fully rounded air wing… Read more »

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
3 days ago
Reply to  Frank62

It is so much more capable that what we had before it is hard to compare them. This is a really awesome capability and is a capability that UK PLC can just about afford. We could not afford the ongoing pilot training costs of F35C never mind the costs of modifying the carriers. Who are we going to be fighting that has the ability to get 24 Gen 5 aircraft off their carriers? Russia – carrier does float or work North Korean – doesn’t have a carrier Iran – doesn’t have a carrier or 5th Gen planes unless you count… Read more »

Jay R
Jay R
3 days ago

I completely agree, they are truly impressive warships, and a quantum leap forward. But, UK PLC waste so much resource we could have an even better capability. I agree the trainng requirement is intense for catobar operations, but the French seem to manage. The ideal situation would be to navalise tempest for catobar operations.

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
3 days ago
Reply to  Jay R

Navalised tempest might be a thing – it might not.

You can’t bet the farm on a maybe?

Watcherzero
Watcherzero
4 days ago

Both Liz Truss and Ben Wallace are in Turkey today. Highly likely to be some announcement either on Ukraine food exports, NATO accession, or arm sales to Turkey.

Frank62
Frank62
4 days ago
Reply to  Watcherzero

Or trying to get Turkey to allow Sweden & Finland into NATO. I’m not very comfortable with a quasi-Islamic fundamentalist, dictatorial, Hellenic hating Turkey in NATO.

Christopher Allen
Christopher Allen
4 days ago

Meanwhile

https://www.forces.net/news/russia-back-defence-secretary-stresses-importance-british-army-development

The Defence Secretary spews out this nonsense whilst his government have defended cuts to Army personnel, refuses to answer proposals about increasing the amount of GDP spent on defence and has left us with an bleak future of an Army extremely lacking in a strong and well balanced armoured force of something like 150 or so Challenger 3s, no Ajax, non-upgraded Warriors, aging AS90s. etc. Quite frankly, I think the army needs an overhaul.

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
3 days ago

I agree.

Question is how do you create the budgetary headroom to do that?

Army is so scared of anything bespoke that they just want to buy American off the shelf. Then there is the whole problem of sovereign capability.

Some of the upgrades **should** be simple and cheap like AS90 and some longer range FIRES as well as Ceptor-ER for area defence.

Simon
Simon
2 days ago

the Army has been “about 10 years” behind the RAF and Royal Navy in investment, Not helped by the numous changes of forces sizes and plans and wasting money on failed programs

Gr
Gr
3 days ago

Lightbulbs that the RN are probably charged for at about £50 a pop.

Bringer of Facts
Bringer of Facts
3 days ago

Off Topic, but an interesting article. It is bound to cause much debate here.

https://www.navylookout.com/solving-the-royal-navys-problems/

Steve
Steve
3 days ago

I see Germany is looking to buy a dedicated electronic warfare version of the typhoon, that seems to be something the RAF should be giving a long hard look at.