British troops ‘shoot down’ swarm of over 100 drones

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That’s not far off the truth, micro drones are inevitably going to become a core support weapon at section level and therefore a section will need the ability to engage and destroy them.

Up to date kit, like the 80s kit you reference later? Pull the other one Ivan

So Martin you are suggesting sending it to Ukraine and then complaining about sending stuff to Ukraine. Yes I think we can see your very unsubtle attempt at misdirection as Levi points out. You really must do better to earn those precious roubles, or are you just spreading inane lies and misrepresentations of the truth for fun.

Give it up Martin, it’s pretty obvious from yo out posts that you’re not English. The sentence structure is that of someone for whom English is a second language. Given your ludicrous comments about equipping Ukraine it’s reasonable to guess your first language is Russian.
Nice try Ivan.

I wouldn’t worry the Russians don’t understand modern electronics.

Give Mummy back her phone Tom.

Everyone is investing in technology of this nature so it’s not revealing anything of help to our enemies per se. Sadly we don’t have an Area 51 immense area in the middle if no where to demonstrate these things, though in reality stealth and mysterious aircraft have been captured there via satellite but what does that really tell an enemy other than a Country has a programme you know the have anyway. The US gives some basic information about its hypersonic weapons aims and capabilities and demonstrations for example. It’s discovering the exact nature of the technology and innovations and exact capabilities that enable any particular platform to be successful that would be the important part to keep secret. Indeed often showing you have such capabilities is in itself a method of deterrence. I would hope prevention of espionage to discover those deeper technical details are robust and the priority.
Would be interesting as an aside to know where the components come from and how secure the supply train is once up it enters full scale production, that’s probably a greater concern especially if analysing certain components could give a potential enemy the ability to assess capabilities and perhaps help counter them.

Nothing classified has been released. Anti drone capability is nothing unknown about. How it actually works will be classified.

It’s called deterrent.. you can be the most powerful armed force in the world and essentially unbeatable, but if you don’t communicate this you end up in wars.. out armed forces first and essentially single most important job is to deter war.. for that they MUST undertake the 3 Cs of deterrence.. communication, capability and Credibility.. essentially you must have the ability, then you show your willingness to use that capability and use communication to explain to your enemy exactly how and why their armed forces and nation will burn…

When a nation does not do the 3 Cs it’s either

1) stupid, weak and going to end up attacked..
2) actually seriously planning an unilateral attack and major war against an enemy.

If we take China as a case study..

China’s was the only major nation during pax Britannia to actually choose to go to war with the British empire.. the reason was because it literally had no idea what it was facing, because of a balance of not affecting trade..the RN did not patrol or secure waters around china..other potential enemies such as the US spent the 19c being stared at down the cannon barrels of RN battleship squadrons.. so China ended up going to war with a nation it could not beat… because for political and trade reasons China was the only nation the British empire did not exert the 3Cs on.

If you look at today Russia spends all its time telling the world in great detail how great its weapons are.. why to put NATO of deciding to stamp on the problem..

China on the other hand goes to great lengths to hide the size of its navy and its naval building programs… why because it does not to present the world with the fact it has the second largest blue water navy in the world as well as the largest littoral navy in the world… because its planning to attack its enemies it’s not trying to deter them…

What’s classified about the photo and the press release? There’s far more in the public domain about the Typhoon and F35 and they are far more formidable to our enemies.

Neither this or Dragonfire have made public the power requirements or outputs.
They are both scalable, so the energies involved in testing have little relation to what will be deployed on the front lines.

It isn’t a jammer. It’s essentially a directed energy weapon that burns out electronics. Similar to the laser they’re building for ships, but with high freq radio waves instead.

Why would you assume something wrong that’s explained in the article.

Also fiber optic drones have not replaced radio controlled drones, since fiber optics have a limited range, and increased cost.

Maybe if you read the article before commenting then you wouldn’t embarrass yourself by making incorrect assumptions…
Just a suggestion 🤷🏻‍♂️

Yes, 1980 I recall, microwave weaponry directed at the US embassy in Moscow.

Need to be a bit more specific on what a M45 is? It could be a derivative of the Colt 45, a hand held machine gun or what I think you are suggesting, the 50 cal anti-aircraft quad mount. The problem with the 50 cal round is that it does not have a time fuse or a proximity fuse, so you need to use a load of rounds to guarantee a hit.

BAe’s 3P fused ammunition has Pre-fragmented, Programmable and Proximity modes, however, the smallest shell it can be fitted to is 40mm. A 40mm with the 3P fused HE, will be significantly more effective that the quad 50 in taking out drones.

I have a feeling what is being shown is a prototype, as there’s a few things on it that are considered old tech.

What part of “experimental” and “demonstrator”, from the article, did you fail to grasp?…

Production units are always smaller, cheaper, and more robust than the proof-of-concept demonstrators and prototypes.

Nothing wrong with that. If people want to buy drones they need extra antenna or fibre optics to avoid jamming, they need RF shielding for the microwave weapons, and they need reflective surfaces and heat sinks for laser weapons. These all add costs and compromises in different ways.

In the video uploaded by the MOD they killed 2 at once that were a few meters apart. It’s good that you don’t need nearly the amount of targeting accuracy or stability since the cone of effectiveness is pretty big. That is one of the most difficult parts of laser and gun systems.

Because some Brits are only ever happy when they’re moaning. It’s possibly the worst trait we have, negatively.

Hello Graham, this is just evolution…. for every threat that gets developed, a counter threat is often hot on it’s heels. People just see the now and get all funny about it.

According to Thales U.K., they have 16 sites and 7,000 employees – so probably not just ‘warehouse workers in Belfast’.

Thales probably tapped into the plethora of product design and specialist engineering companies capable of deep tech in the U.K. These companies don’t manufacture products, but they have the specialist knowledge in various fields to plug the capability gaps of giant’s like Thales. It’s one area the U.K. leads in, but gets very little public credit if any.

Unless the MoD goes against industry practice, as it commissioned the work from Thales, it will own all IP. That doesn’t mean that Thales can’t license it back or used the experience to develop something that doesn’t impinge on the MoD’s IP.

Why not just google it, that way you’ll know and not have to type such silly stuff about Lorry drivers and warehouse workers in Belfast ?

As with many defence companies that have either been bought up by a foreign company or merged into another. There are some developments that remain U.K. eyes only. So even if the company such as Marconi, later becomes part of Leonardo. There is a clear demarcation of intellectual property that can’t be shared with the parent company. The MoD has a massive say in what can be shared outside the U.K.

Obviously not 🤦🏻‍♂️

Yes, the system uses a search and tracking radar to find the drones. Then the operator can use a digital camera to pick out individual drones. If you ignore the yagi antenna on the face of the box line structure. This box I believe holds a phased array microwave emitter. Which means a highly directional beam can be formed, then used against an individual target/drone. But can also be quickly switched from one target to another. The US Army has a similar system mounted on a Stryker.

Tiny by Geography.
That is all.

Probably easier to call in a B52 carpet bombing mission on the football fields where this million string swarm is being assembled. Not rush either, would take weeks to assemble.