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China accused of using ‘secret police’ facility in Glasgow

Safeguard Defenders, a non-governmental organisation headquartered in Spain, has published a report stating that public security bureaus in two Chinese provinces have established a global network of outposts that carry out “persuasion operations” to coerce dissidents into returning to China.

The report claims there are 54 “overseas police service centres” located in 21 countries over five continents, including two in London and another in Glasgow. According to Safeguard Defenders, these overseas stations are frequently embedded in Chinese community associations in their respective countries.

What are the centres for?

Safeguard Defenders state that the centres are a part of a massive international campaign intended to combat the growing problem of fraud and law breaking committed by Chinese nationals living outside of China.

The Chinese authorities assert that between April 2021 and July 2022, approximately 230,000 Chinese nationals were “persuaded to return” to China to face criminal charges there. The group adds that this campaign, which started on a small scale in 2018, has developed alongside the establishment of overseas Chinese police “service stations”.

Document suggests that a popular Glasgow restaurant is a centre

A document showing the locations of a number of these centres, initially published by Chinese authorities and which I reviewed this morning, suggests that the Glasgow-based unit is located on Sauchiehall Street at the same address as a well-known Chinese restaurant.

417-419 Sauchiehall Street is identified in a list of stations.

Safeguard Defenders say there is no complete list of these “110 Overseas” – named for the Chinese emergency phone number – police service stations available. The initial list, along with additional stations identified by Safeguard Defenders via the above Chinese government announcement, provides a clue to how widespread these stations may be.

The service stations that are presented on this list are those operated by the police departments of Fuzhou and Qingtian. However, an announcement made by the government earlier stated that similar work had begun in ten provinces; consequently, it is safe to assume that the list of such stations is much longer than what can be presented here.

More known centres.

Today I visited the alleged location of the Glasgow centre. I went to their door and, despite what appeared to be staff members inside, no one answered my knocking or called-out question as to whether the allegations were true.

I called the number emblazoned on their front door. After almost ringing out, to my surprise, a man answered the phone. I asked if he or the business had any comment to make about whether the allegations were true. He told me he couldn’t hear me, and I repeated myself, twice, then he hung up.

Others had better luck, “There’s no secret police here,” a spokesman told the Times.

What have the centres been used for?

The report cites an incident that took place in July 2022 in which the government of Wenchang City, Hainan province, issued a notice to disclose the names and pictures of those from Wenchang “illegally staying in northern Myanmar” and warned them to return.

If they did not contact their local police stations by 10 August 2022:

“(1) Their spouses, parents and children would all be suspended from getting subsidies such as severe illness insurance and medical insurance subsidies;

(2) Their children would be disqualified to enter urban schools once the parents failed to show up together in the interviews for registrations or to apply for the admission jointly;

(3) Their immediate family would be blocked in principle from joining the Party and the military, and from taking the exams for becoming public servants or employees of state-owned companies;

(4) Real estate purchased with their illicit money would be vacated and auctioned, any personnel settled in the property would be forcibly driven out, and houses built with stolen money would be demolished.”

The report adds that this was done despite no crimes being committed.

“Even though none of those targeted had been convicted of any crime and, notwithstanding Xinhua’s prior warnings that such actions would paint relatives, children and family members as guilty by association, collateral punishment continued to remain a key part of the ‘persuasion to return’ operation.”

No due process as a means to dodge international treaties

The report concludes by explaining that whether the targets are dissidents, corrupt officials or low-level criminals, “the problem remains the same, the use of irregular methods” that are “often combining carrots with sticks – against the targeted individual or their family members in China undermines any due process and the most basic rights of suspects. The described treatment of targets, their families and even wider community as suspected criminals – in some cases even in the absence of any factual accusation.”

Furthermore, the disregard of the use of proper channels and processes in international relations is despite China’s insistence on the establishment of bilateral extradition treaties, or other mechanisms of judicial cooperation.

“This methodology further allows them to circumvent firmly-set international principles such as the non-derogatory principle of non-refoulement under the United Nations Convention Against Torture and the UN Convention on the Protection of Refugees, or the guarantees established under international mechanisms such as the UN Convention Against Transnational Organized Crime and the Protocols Thereto.”

The First Minister has spoken to Police Scotland about the matter

Greens MSP Ross Greer asked the First Minister about the allegations today on Parliament, Nicola Sturgeon replied:

“I agree that these reports are deeply concerning and I want to be very clear that we take them extremely seriously. Any foreign country operating in Scotland must abide by Scottish law. The Scottish Government fully supports individuals’ rights to free speech, freedom of expression and that is also an extremely important principle. Obviously, these matters require to be fully and properly investigated and it would not be appropriate for me to go into too much detail, but I do know – and I know this as a result of a conversation I had just yesterday with the Chief Constable – that the police are aware of these reports. Of course, the police are operationally independent and it will be up to them to determine what investigations would be appropriate, but they are aware of this, and I would repeat that these reports do require to be treated extremely seriously.”

Investigation must be launched to protect people in the UK

The China Research Group of MPs at Westminster urged the UK Government to investigate these claims.

“The Home Office must launch an investigation to shed more light on the activities of these police stations and whether they are illegally operating in the UK. A Chinese government official reportedly admitted the role of these stations in ‘pressuring criminals’ to return to China. These ‘criminals’ could be Hong Kongers, Uyghurs, dissidents – or indeed anyone else who has dared to criticise the Chinese Communist Party. Formal investigations are now under way by governments in the US, Canada, Spain, Ireland, Germany, and now the Netherlands. It’s important that we don’t become an international laggard in dealing with this sort of malign interference.”

A Home Office spokesperson told me:

“Reports of undeclared ‘police stations’ in the UK are of course very concerning and will be taken extremely seriously. Any foreign country operating on UK soil must abide by UK law. The protection of people in the UK is of the utmost importance and any attempt to illegally repatriate any individual will not be tolerated.”

It’s not clear what, if anything, will be done. But at least, for now, the wheels appear to be turning on this affront to Scotland’s values and ideals of respect, freedom, equality, dignity and fairness.

This first appeared in Bylines Scotland, you can view the original here.

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grizzler
grizzler
1 year ago

I wonder how much of this goes on with other countries?
Even so with China it really doesnt surprise me ..as neither will our governments response which will I guess will be …absolutely diddley squat.
Same as what happened with the consoluate in Manchester where they recently dragged someone off the streets and beat them up.
I’ve heard nothing more about it -someone should have been expelled for that…but…nothing.
Silence speaks volumes

George Parker
George Parker
1 year ago
Reply to  grizzler

There are too many high level ties with CCP occupied mainland China to do anything meaningful as a response. Financial, industrial and supply chain dependance has us hogtied. To even contemplate taking any aggressive action would be highly damaging at this time. The CCP are about to take advantage of the current situation and attack Taiwan. That situation being the consequence of the savage defence cuts; the Wuhan Virus pandemic and depleting our NATO strategic stocks to aid Ukraine. Both GB and the USA have dangerously depleted our reserves of both fuel and weapons stores. I wonder if high level… Read more »

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
1 year ago
Reply to  George Parker

Fuel- we have plenty- no shortage at all in that area- weapons stores- yes depleted in some areas- but most of our best stuff is still available as we haven’t given Ukraine our best kit- therefore Chally 2- plenty of ammo, MLRS- plenty, AS90- plenty, 30mm canons for warrior- plenty- 105mm light gun ammo- plenty, 81 mm mortars- plenty, Javelin- enough, NLAWS- being replenished. Apache Longbow 30mm canon rounds- loads, rockets- loads, hellfire- loads Amraam and meteor for Eurofighter + f35Bs- plenty in NATO stocks- definitely enough to shoot down every Russian and Chinese combat aircraft. You get the idea-… Read more »

George Parker
George Parker
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

I certainly wouldn’t say lots. We would struggle to logistically sustain a single 1991 level deployment, for more than a month at full combat expenditure. If we had to fight in Europe and the far east, not a chance. The CCP backed Argentinians would be the first to take advantage.

Marked
Marked
1 year ago
Reply to  George Parker

We don’t have the numbers for a 91 level deployment full stop, never mind sustaining one.

We wouldn’t be fighting on the ground in Asia anyway. We would probably send a sub and a handful of aircraft, that’s about the limit of what we could spare without abandoning Europe and the North Atlantic, which is where our properties are.

George Parker
George Parker
1 year ago
Reply to  Marked

Given that the first duty of government is defence, our hugely reduced military capability is criminal.

The option to deploy an Amphibious Task Group in the Pacific or Indian Ocean, in addition to fighting a war nearer home. Should be something well within our ability. It’s the very definition of being prepared to fight a world war. These are lessons learned the hard way.

We also have a duty to protect “properties” in the South Atlantic, just in case you have forgotten. Islands and natural resources coveted by a still belligerent Argentina. Which is being increasingly supported by the CCP.

Sean
Sean
1 year ago
Reply to  George Parker

😂🤣😂🤣

George Parker
George Parker
1 year ago
Reply to  Sean

💤💤

James
James
1 year ago
Reply to  George Parker

I think the glaringly obvious supplies needed to defend or most likely re-take Taiwan are very different to what are needed on the ground in Ukraine.

Fuel what you on about? Cost of living crisis worldwide the consumption of fuel is down also.

Geoff Roach
Geoff Roach
1 year ago
Reply to  grizzler

Silence speaks volumes. It certainly does. Would you rather the Security Service took out an advert in the press to tell people what they’re doing?

grizzler
grizzler
1 year ago
Reply to  Geoff Roach

I didn’t mean that and you know I didn;t – so pray tell me what do you think will happen?

Geoff Roach
Geoff Roach
1 year ago
Reply to  grizzler

I read it as a suggestion that there was some kind of cover up by HMG. If I’m wrong my apologies.

Grizzler
Grizzler
1 year ago
Reply to  Geoff Roach

No problems. I’m not suggesting a cover up per ce but I do think they are weak in standing up to the Chinese
strong arm methodologies. Influenced by certain parties who have vested interests in keeping Chinese monies flowing into the UK (akin to what we did with Russian money). I think a strong government would and should have acted by now we haven’t …and I fear we won’t. I await coverage of what investigations have taken place and what sanctions may ensue.

Robert Blay.
Robert Blay.
1 year ago
Reply to  grizzler

Plenty will happen behind the scenes that we will never hear about.

grizzler
grizzler
1 year ago
Reply to  Robert Blay.

Thats not the point is it …the point is we shoud hear about some things…the consulate in Manchester should be sent packing back home for a start as he was blatantly involved ., any thing less is a disgrace.

Michael
Michael
1 year ago

This is a serious internal security issue, and something British police forces across the country, the Security Service and Home Office should be investigating immediately at high priority. A foreign police force operating with impunity on sovereign British territory is an extreme attack on the rule of law as well as a severe breach of international good faith. I can think of very few precedents, where one developed and independent country did this to another, except perhaps the operations of the Russian Okhrana in Paris in the late 19th century. We should be thankful to have a Home Secretary with… Read more »

FormerUSAF
FormerUSAF
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael

Article absolutely confirms my estimate of scum-sucking, slimeball ChiComs. They ruthlessly exploit any vulnerabilities of expat dissidents/non-favored individuals. Not certain re solution; probably not feasible to provide assistance en masse. Presumably a priority issue for MI-5 (whatever current designation of agency is).

FormerUSAF
FormerUSAF
1 year ago
Reply to  FormerUSAF

BTW, ballsy move, George! 👍👍 Watch your six; you are now on the radar of ChiCom Intel services, if not before. Russians have already demonstrated ops in country. 🤔

Ron
Ron
1 year ago
Reply to  FormerUSAF

Totally agree, George, keep you head down and your six covered.

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
1 year ago
Reply to  Ron

George for PM- much better than any clueless spineless and utterly incompetent Tory. Anything happens to George and that should be a declaration of war as far as I’m concerned. Now I’m going into the garden to start digging my Anderson shelter- I think I’m going to need one soon. The world has gone batshit crazy.

dave12
dave12
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

Just wondering of all thoughs Brexiters in which this website has is a majority of thinking if it was all worth it there is a big elephant in the room

Marius
Marius
1 year ago
Reply to  dave12

Maybe first concentrate on your grammar and spelling.

Geoff Roach
Geoff Roach
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

MR B your getting worse. If England miss out on the world cup will that be down to the Tories as well. You’ll probably claim we would beat every team 5 0 if it wasn’t for a Tory government.😁

Jonathans
Jonathans
1 year ago
Reply to  Geoff Roach

It’s true, tories are generally crap at football…

Geoff Roach
Geoff Roach
1 year ago
Reply to  Jonathans

But they don’t labour when passing the ball and there has been a tendency to be liberal with own goals recently.😉

FormerUSAF
FormerUSAF
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

🤣😂😁🤔😳😱

John Stott
John Stott
1 year ago
Reply to  FormerUSAF

Brother, hate to say it but McCarthy was right.

Geoff Roach
Geoff Roach
1 year ago
Reply to  John Stott

You know what the witch hunts were about do you? The Americans were trying to ban people from jobs and professions if that thought or voted in a particular way eg backed trade unions or supported the wrong politics. Ring any bells? China, Iran, North Korea, Russia . Fortunately the U.S. learnt the lesson.

John Stott
John Stott
1 year ago
Reply to  Geoff Roach

I understand alright. And I understand people like you.

Geoff Roach
Geoff Roach
1 year ago
Reply to  John Stott

That’s amazing as you don’t know me at all. Perhaps your just dreaming.

Steve
Steve
1 year ago
Reply to  Geoff Roach

Yes it rings a bell in our own polictics. No where near the same level, but already we have laws allowing policticans to use the police to arrest innocent protesters, which can be used to remove any anti goverment protests or at least ones they don’t agree with. We have had voting seat boundary changes to favour the party in government. We have had the whole anti woke stuff from our government trying to create division in the country for their benefit. We have had the government put pressure on newspapers to bury stories etc. We have an extradition treaty… Read more »

Rob N
Rob N
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael

There was an announcement from the Foreign Secretary that the consulate incident was being investigated by the police.

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
1 year ago
Reply to  Rob N

Any arrests made for flagrant assault and Actual bodily harm? Nope- the police and our government are scared shitless of the ChiComs and their evil dictatorship.

Sean
Sean
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

No because in the U.K. the police investigate the facts before identifying if a crime has been committed, if so by whom, and then arresting them if there is sufficient evidence. We have this thing here called habeus corpus.

Knee-jerk arrests of people without evidence is what the Chinese do.

ChariotRider
ChariotRider
1 year ago
Reply to  Sean

Hi Sean,

I agree with what you are saying, but the police have a very poor charge record at the moment despite police numbers rising. So much so that the Home Secretary, who leads by example, has told them they have to improve…

May guess is that the preps are already out of the country, Home Office being the super efficient organisation that it is…

As you can probably tell I don’t have much faith in Government at the moment. Shambolic at the moment from top to bottom.

Cheers CR

Sean
Sean
1 year ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

Separation of powers, don’t confuse the government with law enforcement or the judiciary.

(I recall plenty of lefties not wanting to go into lockdown or wear masks at the start of the pandemic simply because they didn’t like Boris, when of course these were coming from Sage.)

Hopefully Chinese bureaucrats are just as inefficient as ours.

David Steeper
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael

We should be thankful to have a Home Secretary with intelligence, diligence, the trust of the people and a seriousness about their work that belies any notion they got their job for political reasons after a string of racist remarks and incompetent gaffes.
Oh, wait . . .
Seriously ? I think twitter might be a more suitable place for you.

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
1 year ago
Reply to  David Steeper

You mean a total joker?

Or who policies are so far right that they don’t deserve to be dignified with a Conservative label?

The one thing she has in common with Priti Patel is a hatred of immigrants in spite of being of migrant stock herself………

I believe in a sensible level of immigration as part of the National financial solution – we need more workers in the UK. It is the biggest brake on economic activity ATM. Said as an employer.

farouk
farouk
1 year ago

SB wrote: “”The one thing she has in common with Priti Patel is a hatred of immigrants in spite of being of migrant stock herself………”” Thats a common trope used by the liberals, left and the woke generation in which to attack anybody who tries to get a grip on immigration. Now I like PP and SB was born here to immigrants and like them my only loyatly is to the UK.   The problem as i see it, is due to the ubiquitous use of the Race card, white people cannot be seen to try and combat immigration in… Read more »

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Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
1 year ago
Reply to  farouk

Farouk

I did say that we needed “sensible level[s] of immigration”.

Uncontrolled immigration is a solution to nothing and a massive problem. Even Blair admitted that.

As is no immigration at all IMHO.

There is a balance to be struck and sending most of the Eastern European workforce packing has created a crisis in construction, hospitality and agriculture to name but two sectors. As well as pouring petrol on inflation with massive wage growth to attract the few candidates around.

FormerUSAF
FormerUSAF
1 year ago

OT to some degree, but is anyone else puzzled/surprised by the apparent dearth of HK residents, holding British Overseas passports, bailing out and landing in dear olde Blighty? With current ChiCom leadership, there is absolutely no doubt that would be the intelligent option, and there is no guarantee how long it will remain open. Believe HK residents are generally considered to be industrious, educated and entrepreneurially inclined. Could do worse, much worse, for a new immigrant class. 🤔

James
James
1 year ago

Firstly no one sent the eastern european workers packing thats complete trollop pounded about by the remoaner media. Anyone who was from the EU working in the UK was given the opportunity to apply to stay, did some people choose to leave due to Brexit, yes. Did the government send them packing, no. What did happen however at around the same time was the pandemic, did a very large percentage choose to return home to be with families instead of applying to stay, yes. Now Im not disagreeing that those people who left now find it hard to return but… Read more »

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
1 year ago
Reply to  James

Employing a lot of Eastern Europeans myself: they didn’t feel terribly welcomed by whichever rent-a-Xenophobe was on the news at that moment.

Mood music matters: it does change behaviours.

James
James
1 year ago

Totally agree but that at the time was purely down to which news was watched, I cant remember a time that the media was so divided into two such extremes with virtually no sensible voice in the middle.

The situation to get people back now does need to be looked at as it is not ideal but the choice still existed to stay at the time.

David Steeper
1 year ago

Ok I tried to show the sources for all the below yesterday but it’s been rejected so here we go.
In year toJune 2022 1.1m entry visas granted. An all time record.
Year to August 2022 largest fall in real wages since financial crisis of 2010.
Other than that your spot on.

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Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
1 year ago
Reply to  farouk

While those crimes were committed there was also a bucket load by the general population. It’s a tough call to work out how should stay and who should go and certainly not a job I would want. The whole process needs speeded up a lot And simplified as well as the return process. Once someone gets here I’m they should be here for a maximum of 4 weeks. Start that from a certain date and deal with the back log. We could really do with a spare island people could be put for those 4 weeks. that lady that said… Read more »

John Stott
John Stott
1 year ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

👊

Michael
Michael
1 year ago
Reply to  David Steeper

I think it’s fair to question whether our ministers are up for the job on a forum like this. We have praised Ben Wallace fairly consistently. We can judge the Home Secretary. Does she fill you with hope she’ll be able to get on with the job?

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael

To be fair the Home Secretary’s bloopers do appear to have a security angle.

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael

Agree the premises should be raided immediately and all personnel arrested and removed from the country- all property seized as evidence that the UK government will share with the rest of the world. These are unofficial non embassy properties not listed as afforded diplomatic protection and therefore are open season for our security services. No breach of diplomatic etiquette in doing with them as we see fit.

James
James
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

Too late now, anything of links to the CCP will be long gone!

Aaron L
Aaron L
1 year ago
Reply to  James

The same with the rest of the list that was released. They will all be well on their way to being re-located if not done already.

James
James
1 year ago
Reply to  Aaron L

Take away down the street that just opened last week maybes??

Aaron L
Aaron L
1 year ago
Reply to  James

Yeah more than likely.

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
1 year ago

I hate the Chinese government, hopefully they fall from power soon.
Now when you come to coerce me can you bring a chicken curry, rice, chips and 2L bottle of iron bru. I’m hungry

Jon
Jon
1 year ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

Curry? I think you may be ordering (people around) from the wrong menu.

The Artist Formerly Known As Los Pollos Chicken
The Artist Formerly Known As Los Pollos Chicken
1 year ago
Reply to  Jon

😂

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
1 year ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

😄

Frank62
Frank62
1 year ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

Trouble is the CCP & similar dictators have no qualms slaughtering anyone who try to challange their power. It takes more than simply the balls just for the Chinese to stand up against them as all resistance will just be mercilessly crushed. You may as well walk in front of a firing machine gun.
There needs to be a carefully crafted strategy, backed by not allowing the free world to become so commited to China’s economy that our leaders are compromised from the start. We must stop appeasing the CCP.

James
James
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank62

Agreed, the pandemic has shown the worlds reliance on China. If that doesnt teach people then nothing will.

Cracks are appearing in China’s economy and debt levels, hopefully an exodus in business from China might push its economy to a tipping point.

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
1 year ago

It is all done on the assumption that we *need* China as a trade partner so won’t do anything about it. They will huff and puff about China Policy and Chine Needs and China doesn’t interfere in internal affairs…. Thankfully it was realised, rather late in the day, that Huawei were a massive national security threat and the China Nuclear Power Co was really just a part of the state. The Huawei thing was the most monumental piece of idiocy letting a foreign country control your main fibre network backbone, almost all of the DLAMS that run the FTTC (copper… Read more »

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 year ago

PM May wasn’t it? She sacked DS Williamson because he reported it.

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
1 year ago

May actually started the process towards ripping out Huawei. Doris then dithered and finally started the wheels in motion.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 year ago

Oh, I had that wrong then. I thought May supported it.

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
1 year ago

Cameron / Osbourne wouldn’t face facts at all.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 year ago

Agreed. I knew they were keen.

dave12
dave12
1 year ago

Well the UK now the sick man of Europe just wondering as this website is all pro Brexit was it’s the wrong thing todo economy wise ?when at least we had a say , northern Irelands a mess , would really like to hear your guys opinion on the elephant in the room lol because it really is mess that should of been easily avoided , really love to hear the excuses.

David Steeper
1 year ago
Reply to  dave12

😫😫😭😭
Rent free !

dave12
dave12
1 year ago
Reply to  David Steeper

Sorry David but were you the one who thought Truss was a good choice when I said she was not intelligent enough to lead in our previous conversation 😅 and you know brexit fan or not , its not so simple a case as treating it like rival football fans😉

grizzler
grizzler
1 year ago
Reply to  dave12

I’d love you to stop mentioning Brexit on every post but as Mick once said… You can’t always get what you want.

grizzler
grizzler
1 year ago

May did indeed sack Williamson because of a perceived leak from a cabinet meeting. He was the one who started the ball rolling to get Huwai out of the fibre network it had been recognised for a while even identified in a report by GCHQ (I beleive) but no one seemed bothered to do anything about it until he put the cat amongst the pigeons.
Not sure how far Huwai kit removal has got tbh.

FormerUSAF
FormerUSAF
1 year ago

😱

John Stott
John Stott
1 year ago

That is what you get for allowing lobbyists to influence politicians. The Johnsons are well known “Sinophiles”, and there are many others bought and paid for no doubt. People laughed at “drain the swamp”. Ours is long overdue.

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
1 year ago
Reply to  John Stott

Doris put a final stop to Huawei and CNC involvement? And he did move the dual significantly in the mood music.

Johnson senior is the useful idiot in this context.

John Stott
John Stott
1 year ago

I think personally all Johnsons are out for themselves. Sort of familial narcissism on a grand scale. The morals of Johnson Jnr speak volumes, a walking cesspit.

Frank62
Frank62
1 year ago

Noticed recently my TalkTalk router is made by ….Huawei.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 year ago

I love Chinese food, that place looks yummy!

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
1 year ago

Depends how comfortable the furniture is out back….

Fender
Fender
1 year ago

I’m not sure about that. There may be some shady secret police types in there but they’ll be no match for the health inspector.

Klonkie
Klonkie
1 year ago

Hi DM -straight out of a 60’s Bond movie set, or perhaps an Austin Powers spoof. Yeah Baby yeah!

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 year ago
Reply to  Klonkie

Hi mate. 👍😀

Klonkie
Klonkie
1 year ago

😉

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
1 year ago

I’m sure the Chinese will make you a nice Novichok sandwich matey at this eatery. Or some sweet and sour covid, or how about a crispy bit of monkey pox?

David Steeper
1 year ago

As bad as this is quite honestly I think doing something about TikTok should be at the top of our to do list.

farouk
farouk
1 year ago

Its been reported these past few days that secret Chinese police stations have been found in Holland and Canada. with as many as 36 in Europe alone.
As for the Uk, expect nothing much as China has bought a load of British MPs. Kind of explains why the UK gov has been happy to sell so much of British industry to China no doubt with a number of MPs increasing their Bank balance.

Find as below the locations of those 36 secret chinese cop shops as reported by Spanish NGO Safeguard Defenders in September
https://i.postimg.cc/T2rTCDXv/Opera-Snapshot-2022-10-27-173701-www-euronews-com.png

Last edited 1 year ago by farouk
Coll
Coll
1 year ago
Reply to  farouk

All sorts of places.

Mark
Mark
1 year ago
Reply to  farouk

The one in Dublinwas shut today by order of the DFA.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crgndy37n16o

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
1 year ago
Reply to  farouk

On European news- Germany has lost its largest chemicals fabrication industrial site too you’ve guessed it.. moving production to China.
Uneconomical trying to manufacture chemicals when the raw elements needed eg petrochemicals and natural gas are now no longer readily available in Germany. 1-0 to Putin and the Sino/Russian Axis of evil.

James
James
1 year ago
Reply to  farouk

Any evidence of said MP’s who are receiving payments from the CCP?

If a private company is sold to a company that is owned by a Chinese entity is very little the government can do to prevent this, unless its a case for UK security matters.

Its a simple case of bigger wealthier companies buying others.

ChariotRider
ChariotRider
1 year ago
Reply to  James

Except these wealthier companies are backed by and have to support the CCP. If they don’t CEO’s can find their living standards suddenly taking a very steep drop…

Cheers CR

Tams
Tams
1 year ago
Reply to  James

It is a UK security matter though.

dan
dan
1 year ago

Nothing new. The Chicoms have many of these in America and the US government does nothing.

FormerUSAF
FormerUSAF
1 year ago
Reply to  dan

Please provide any citations or links you have found on topic. Knew about Huawei, of course, and FBI Director’s announcement re record number of ChiCom counter-espionage cases being investigated. Believed this type of in-country op. was confined to vulnerable areas of Europe, Africa and Asia. Obviously an incorrect assumption…☹️

Coll
Coll
1 year ago

I’m sure I heard about this years ago.I mean, they have them in a lot of countries. Two lads who lived in China for many years have recently done a video on it because of the consulate protest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC-Fh7DRBcw

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FormerUSAF
FormerUSAF
1 year ago
Reply to  Coll

Thanks for posting; eye-opening, incontrovertible video evidence of consular conduct. 😳

Jack K
Jack K
1 year ago

I, for one, welcome our new Chinese overlords.

Coll
Coll
1 year ago
Reply to  Jack K

Ok Kent Brockman. lol

Fender
Fender
1 year ago
Reply to  Coll

Welcome [Red Army] Ants!

Coll
Coll
1 year ago
Reply to  Fender

Thank the inanimate carbon rod. Great episode.

John Stott
John Stott
1 year ago

Where do you run with this? Point out that communism is an evil doctrine, that its adherents are generally evil in intent and you get laughed at. Sadly Johnson Snr. Johnson ex PM are confirmed “Sinophiles”. Hunter Biden and his daddy, Fauci? All have Chicom dealings. Rand Paul took Fauci apart about “gain of function”. Nothing happened. Chicoms have succeeded where the Soviets tried and largely failed. Although the Soviets did infiltrate the Labour/trade union scene, the Chicoms have bought a lot of politicians on both sides of Parliament and in the US. Personally I would arrest every suspected foreign… Read more »

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
1 year ago
Reply to  John Stott

Add to that Solomon islands (contract already signed) and Malaysia being courted now. PLAN units can deploy to Solomon islands now if they so chose. Indications are they want to build a very heavily fortified naval base – similar to those under construction in Somalia and Ethiopia.

Frank62
Frank62
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

I thought the Solomons backtracked considerably over the possibility of any future PLN base there. Unless it was just muddying the waters.

Frank62
Frank62
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank62

Sorry, that should be PLAN base not PLN.

FormerUSAF
FormerUSAF
1 year ago
Reply to  John Stott

Don’t know about the UK, but believe there has been a sea change in attitudes among the American populace over the last few years. I, myself, am perfectly unbiased in my assessment of the slimeball ChiComs (😉), but don’t believe there are many, if any, Americans remaining favorably disposed toward ChiComs.

John Stott
John Stott
1 year ago
Reply to  FormerUSAF

Mixed here. Many older people realize the intent, but a lot of younger tend to still love cheap goods. Then my experience of younger people is they lack any knowledge of history, geopolitics, or reality apart from a few. Then we suffer an “education” system that does not teach critical thinking.

Jon
Jon
1 year ago
Reply to  John Stott

Younger people tend to have less money. The “suffering” caused by the education system causing their choices is less likely to be due to geopolitical ignorance and more to do with student debt.

John Stott
John Stott
1 year ago
Reply to  Jon

If you willingly take on a lifetime of debt for a “degree” in Media Studies or such? You are just plain stupid. Any study of western “education” systems shows they are based on the Prussian Model of “education”. Or as many of us call it rightly learning by rote. Simply jumping through hoops does not make well-rounded, questioning adults. It produces drones. The sad thing is? They go on to produce yet more.

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
1 year ago
Reply to  John Stott

Its true. Ive tried to educate my sons to 20th century history and its lessons. They arent interested. Only interested in X box and tiktok. Terrible state of affairs. If it kicks off with the Chicoms the west will be reliant on old war dogs like me. 46 years young.

John Stott
John Stott
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

Sad that matey. Sometimes a generation needs a shock to wake them up. I am of the opinion that is coming. Careful what you say on here though, the Chicom lovers and Remoaners might call you a fascist 😂

grizzler
grizzler
1 year ago
Reply to  John Stott

or a racist ….

John Stott
John Stott
1 year ago
Reply to  grizzler

😂

John Stott
John Stott
1 year ago
Reply to  John Stott

Not sad, if they choose to ignore the realities of this world they are the sad ones. Keep doing it. We need more like you.

Frank62
Frank62
1 year ago
Reply to  John Stott

Agreed.

Sean
Sean
1 year ago
Reply to  John Stott

😂🤣😂🤣😂😂

John Stott
John Stott
1 year ago
Reply to  Sean

Oh, back to being “Sean” this week? One of the many identities displayed on numerous occasions. All stupid.

Sean
Sean
1 year ago
Reply to  John Stott

Your paranoia is out of control, I always use my name. It’s just that there’s probably several people on here who also find your attempts to pass-off facism as patriotism to be distasteful and insulting to our great nation.

John Stott
John Stott
1 year ago
Reply to  Sean

Please make me laugh more.

Sean
Sean
1 year ago
Reply to  John Stott

I doubt you laugh, you come across as a frothy mouthed miserable guy who in his stupidity acts as one of Chinas useful idiots by criticising the values that makes the West better than them.

John Stott
John Stott
1 year ago
Reply to  Sean

Keep being triggered. Makes rainy days more tolerable 😁

Sean
Sean
1 year ago
Reply to  John Stott

God you do lead a sad life!

John Stott
John Stott
1 year ago
Reply to  John Stott

Totally agree, with corruption as the core tool. They do play a “long game”. Soon they will move on Russia as they eye up Siberia and a direct route to the Arctic. Russia will have no military capable of preventing that. Be honest, it is a Han empire. The “liberal” west has been weak because it is hooked on the cheap tack. And our political class is corrupt and bought.

John Stott
John Stott
1 year ago
Reply to  John Stott

Agree totally. Though reading the comments on here shows the level of ignorance in a lot of people.

Jack
Jack
1 year ago

It’s not clear what, if anything, will be done. But at least, for now, the wheels appear to be turning on this affront to Scotland’s values and ideals of respect, freedom, equality, dignity and fairness.
Didn’t you see how the Scottish police treated people during the COVID lockdowns ? SMH.

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
1 year ago
Reply to  Jack

Wee Jimmy Cranky will sort it out. No doubt about it. She will be first in with the swat team to raid the premises.😃😉😆

farouk
farouk
1 year ago

So I’m reading the comments to Georges tweet and I come this one:
Big Dug at BigDug1888 3m Replying to atgeoallison
“”About 20 years ago I was security in littlewoods on Sauchiehall and can remember one afternoon a full on running battle with 2 groups of Chinese guys with cleavers and machetes, rumours of triads where always about, even to point people thought the old guts thst sat in the cafe..”2

Had a little chuckle as all I could think of what this from the film:
Big trouble in little China

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
1 year ago

Here’s an idea- shut them down. They are illegal and in no way comply with the international standards for an embassy. Would we have let the gestapo set up a station in the United Kingdom in 1939- no. therefore why should we tolerate this concept of a Chinese secret police station in Glasgow or London.
Some diplomatic evictions are going to be required.

Frank62
Frank62
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

Spot on sir.

OldSchool
OldSchool
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

Arrest them. Thrests and coercion are agsinst UK law.

John Stott
John Stott
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

Spot on.

Sean
Sean
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

Except you’re proposing that we act like the Gestapo, no proof, just accusations from a Spanish NGO so far. Let the police investigate and if it’s true, then through the book at them. It’s called habeas corpus and is one of things that separates us from both the Gestapo and the CCP.

dave12
dave12
1 year ago

Well the UK now the sick man of Europe just wondering as this website is all pro Brexit was it’s the wrong thing todo economy wise ?when at least we had a say , northern Irelands a mess , would really like to hear your guys opinion on the elephant in the room lol because it really is mess that should of been easily avoided , really love to hear the excuses.

John Stott
John Stott
1 year ago
Reply to  dave12

People like you try to get a rise out of others simply because you have trouble accepting the will of a majority. It really is that simple. As for NI? That’s simple too. Boris sold the Loyalists down the river. Add to the fact Blair released terrorists, Biden and Pelosi continue American meddling. So you see, the world is not all as you would want it to be. Sad that eh?

dave12
dave12
1 year ago
Reply to  John Stott

Sorry but the last recession which was much more world wide spread than this recession and we were not the sick man of Europe then , I don’t mind us leaving Europe if it does not decline our power and at this moment its declining pretty badly I guess we will have to wait for the painful defense budget .

David Steeper
1 year ago
Reply to  dave12

Ok you keep using the phrase ‘the sick man of europe’ The comparative annual GDP growth figures easily available to everyone with internet access render that statement at best highly dubious and at worst non factual. Maybe i’m completely wrong and you’re using the phrase in another context if so it would be helpful to the rest of us if you were more specific in future.

dave12
dave12
1 year ago
Reply to  David Steeper

Hey I want to believe you but how are we in this position more worst off than the last recession , we should not be in this position and if any more cuts on the defense budget happen that is a decline and after every cut there is no recovery or expansion on defense when the UK do recover. I’m happy to be proven wrong mind.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 year ago
Reply to  dave12

how are we in this position”

Covid, the war in Ukraine, and that idiot Truss conducting an experiment with the economy.

You might have noticed those economic shocks these last 3 years Dave?

dave12
dave12
1 year ago

Yes DM but how have we the UK have come off worst then any other western nation? even the tory papers have said so , we should not be in this position!!!! so why are we ? and yet our defense budget will decline , it is just not acceptable!!!

David Steeper
1 year ago
Reply to  dave12

Newspapers have their own agendas as do TV and radio. The raw statistics are out there and accessible. Trust them and only them.

ChrisLondon
ChrisLondon
1 year ago
Reply to  John Stott

I am not happy with a leaver pretending this is about the ‘will of the people’ being respected. The leave campaign was built on lies and intimidation, and illegally funded. Ten days before the vote Farage told us he would not accept a narrow defeat and offered 52 v 48 as an example. He said he would demand another vote before the end of that parliament and he would get it or there would be trouble (unspecified). They murdered an MP three days later. They win the first vote 51.7 v 48.3. A smaller winning margin than the one Farage… Read more »

John Stott
John Stott
1 year ago
Reply to  ChrisLondon

Your views and I respect that. Even if I think it is total b.ll.x. The EU is corrupt, cannot balance its books year on year. Then I admit corruption is rife in all politicians, even in the UK. Accepting a majority viewpoint seems impossible for many. Or were we to do an Ireland or France and keep voting until we voted the “correct” way? If as much remoaner energy was spent in putting things right? We would crawl out of the present mess with some dignity in time. Sadly the Guardian and lefty/woke butt hurt percentage will not let it… Read more »

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 year ago
Reply to  ChrisLondon

They murdered an MP three days later.”

The murder of Jo Cox was performed by a guy with mental health problems who had nothing to do with Farage, UKIP, or vote leave.

Your use of “they” to imply UKIP or Farage was involved deserves libel and I hope Farage sees it. In fact I will make sure he does.

ChrisLondon
ChrisLondon
1 year ago

They clearly means leavers generally. Over my lifetime two MPs have been murdered by Irish Republicans, one by leavers, and one by Islamists. I suspect a lot of Ulster’s paramilitarys are ‘nuts’ by normal standards. The man who murdered Sir David was. I am sure the leaver who murdered Jo Cox was too. Violent extremist groups attract nutters. All the facts I stated are correct. You are right the timeline (also correct) raises questions. When he repeated his ‘warnings’ about trouble after Jo’s murder several journalists asked Farage what he meant. He never gave any real answer. If you ever… Read more »

grizzler
grizzler
1 year ago
Reply to  ChrisLondon

It wasn’t illegally funded please stop peddling that which has been disproven – it really is boring.

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ChrisLondon
ChrisLondon
1 year ago
Reply to  grizzler

Or elections have had rules about spending and recording sources for quite sometime. Parts of the leave campaign broke the spending rules and parts were funded by untraceable money from abroad. In a normal election, by-election or referendum this would warrant declaring the result invalid and ordering a rerun. When a remain group tried this the court said that as it was only a consultative referendum they had no authority. Since then I have heard a lot of leavers try to misrepresent as ‘the court said the result was valid’. That is untrue. The fact that the referendum was approved… Read more »

Chrislondon
Chrislondon
1 year ago
Reply to  dave12

The website is not all pro Brexit but mainly.

The pro vote was a mix heavy on nationist bigotry, outright racism and ignorance. Those factors are also there in some military recruiting. They will also encourage an interest in power and warfare generally.

The cumulative costs of Brexit by now will exceed our defence spending, probably by a lot.

I also think Brexit can be blamed for most of our covid dead and other costs.

John Stott
John Stott
1 year ago
Reply to  Chrislondon

😅

David Steeper
1 year ago
Reply to  John Stott

😂

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 year ago
Reply to  Chrislondon

“The pro vote was a mix heavy on nationist bigotry, outright racism and ignorance.” Utter bollocks and the usual boring old chestnuts. I knew plenty of them and there were no bigots or racists amongst the campaigners I met. In fact several were Black and one was straight out of the Taliban catalogue. Are they racists too? Please tell me, are all the independent nations of the world racist for not being in a political union? Is Switzerland racist? Is Norway? Is Australia? “I also think Brexit can be blamed for most of our covid dead and other costs” More… Read more »

ChrisLondon
ChrisLondon
1 year ago

Re the racism you are looking at the campaign from inside. I am looking at it from outside. I suspect we see the same things very differently. How does being black or whatever ‘straight out of the Taliban catalogue’ means stop someone being racist or xenophobic? Re covid. Since Sars and Mers everyone has known something like this was inevitable. All the worlds developed countries had contingency plans. Ours was very good and many surveys thought we were one of the best prepared countries in the world ie https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/11/countries-preparedness-pandemics/ Unfortunately when it happened we had rule by leavers who do… Read more »

Coll
Coll
1 year ago
Reply to  Chrislondon

I noticed you left in the extreme examples but not willing to highlight distrust of the political system. I don’t think the remain campaign comes away favourably, when they just made bigoted campaign against the population and working class. Also, why would someone change their mind about voting Brexit when this was the attitude towards them.

grizzler
grizzler
1 year ago
Reply to  Chrislondon

Now I know you are naught but a troll and I can and will ignore anything further you say…on any matter, so thank you for that.

Frank62
Frank62
1 year ago

First they come for their own people with the good sense to flee CCP oppresion, then they seek to undermine our liberties & democracies, set up people who’ll go the autocratic route until the whole planet is under the CCP thumb, or jackboot rather.
Letting our rich export most of our manufacturing jobs to China has funded this.

We live in extremely dangerous times, yet naively think we must do everything to maintain buisiness as usual.

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank62

Just to reiterate. Not sure how this isnt on every western news article. Germany just moved its largest chemical manufacturing plant from Germany to China. Can you believe that? I huess Scholz is going to be getting all of Germany’s LNG from China. But China doesnt have LNG fields ….thats because its being piped in from Russia. China is just the middle man and making a nice tidy profit. Germany is a morally corrupt and undermined nation. They sold themselves to the SinoRussian axis of evil years ago under Merkel.

AlbertStarburst
AlbertStarburst
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

We like to think the Germans are law-abiding, but (deep down) what sort of ethics allow you to actively circumvent environmental emissions tests (VW, BMW etc.). My point is that this mindset is an undercurrent that leads to previous historical 20th Century behaviours by the likes of Mercedes, Krupps et al, which were not very nice at all.

Sean
Sean
1 year ago

It’s amusing the number of people on here who want the authorities to smash their way into this restaurant, arrest and either jail or deport all those inside, simply based upon the above article. The actions they advocate are those of a totalitarian regime, such as China.

In Britain we have habeus corpus, due process of law, seperation of powers, etc. the police will undoubtedly investigate these reports and if proof is found they appropriate legal action will be taken.

John Stott
John Stott
1 year ago
Reply to  Sean

“Appropriate action”? What planet do you inhabit or does your apparent multi-faceted online existence lead to your apparent continuous dysfunction?

Jon
Jon
1 year ago
Reply to  John Stott

I suspect Sean’s planet has fewer pitchforks and torches than yours.

John Stott
John Stott
1 year ago
Reply to  Jon

😂

Sean
Sean
1 year ago
Reply to  John Stott

I’m not surprised you misquoted me, I said “appropriate LEGAL action” as I believe in the rule of law. Whereas you appear to believe in lynch mobs rather than justice.

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
1 year ago
Reply to  Sean

Hillarious. So we have evidence, suspicion and just cause. Police should go in. Lets see what a few raids can route out. UK should publish its findings to the whole world and watch as the Chinese squirm about just cause and its all lies. Etc etc etc. Heard all that hot air from the Chinese government so many times I just change channel now whenever one of those idiots presents the warped CCPs view of the world.

Sean
Sean
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

Clearly you have no idea about the law.
We have accusations made by a foreign NGO about various locations in the U.K. That’s sufficient for the police to investigate looking for evidence, it’s not justification for them to behave like the Gestapo or the Chinese Police.

John Stott
John Stott
1 year ago
Reply to  Sean

🙄

John Stott
John Stott
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

Sean is an interesting person but very triggered by things that challenge his concrete beliefs. He may appear under a different identity at times and agree with himself 😎

Sean
Sean
1 year ago
Reply to  John Stott

The paranoia is strong in this one!
You can’t comprehend that most people on here don’t share your fascist views and so assume they must all be the same person using different identities.
You sound like all those Remoaners who can’t believe that people voted for Brexit, or those Trump supporters who can’t conceive more people voted for Biden.

Jon
Jon
1 year ago

Following George’s excellent example, I went to one of the addresses in London near me. If I recall correctly, there used to be a Chinese restaurant there some years ago. Now it’s a (non-Chinese) estate agent. However, a mottled brass plaque above a letter box remains, declaring it in English and Chinese the address of “New World Law Associates”, which is sounding a little less like a law firm than it would have before I read the article. I doubt they have anything to do with the estate agent, apart from maybe using them as an accommodation address, and it’s… Read more »

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Jon
Jon
1 year ago
Reply to  Jon

Just to add for those sharpening hatchets, for all I know the immigration-focused law firm itself may be equally innocent. The article states this secret policeman’s balls up started in 2018 and the plaque is clearly much older than that.

Looking at their website it doesn’t come over as a Chinese government front. My guess is the current law firm backed into an existing shell company to get a bit of age/legitimacy. All speculation, of course.

Uninformed Civvy Lurker
Uninformed Civvy Lurker
1 year ago

It’s also worth remembering that the vast majority of Chinese who live in the U.K. are ex-Hong Kong residents or U.K. born descendants of ex-Hong Kong residents who came to live in the U.K. since the return of Hong Kong to China. It’s in China’s interest to get the U.K. worked up against the “Chinese” living in the U.K. ( many of whom are British and not Chinese anyway ). In the 80s a Chinese takeaway could lose business because of a local rumour about a dog in a fridge. In the 21st century a story on the internet can… Read more »

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
1 year ago

I dont advocate any discrimination against any ex Hong Kong/ Chinese nationals. Anyone who holds uk residency rights or citizenship has the right to freedom from persecution and a right to self-determination. What needs to be made very clear to China is that the UK will uphold its freedom and democracy and defend it with deadly intent as required. I think we owe that to previous generations who fought and died to uphold those rights. Therefore this subversive police activity of a foreign power on UK and also other democratic countries needs to be stamped out. If the ruling Chinese… Read more »

Nicholas
Nicholas
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

Does this right include the British citizens renditioned by the US without the consent of the UK?

Levi Goldsteinberg
Levi Goldsteinberg
1 year ago

Round them up and send them home. The CCP and their stooges are our enemy

David Owen
David Owen
1 year ago

The use chocolate hammers we have in power will sit on the fence as usual and miss the boat ,shut it down now and arrests for espionage but they won’t as the tory government has its or some of its members up to their necks with the chinese communist business, CHINA WILL BECOME OUR ENEMY AND SEND A MESSAGE TO THEM!!!!

George Parker
George Parker
1 year ago

In a report dated Oct. 26, the cybersecurity firm Mandiant identified new narratives pushed by Dragonbridge, an online disinformation campaign. The report says that Dragonbridge—in an effort to influence the U.S. midterm elections—has been aggressively seeking to create conflicts between the United States and its allies and within the U.S. political system.

Beware the CCP, they wage total war, using every avenue available to them. We generally never hear about the attacks against GB. Hopefully that will change soon.