Ferguson Marine’s chief executive has told MPs that the Port Glasgow yard is increasingly dependent on subcontracted defence work from BAE Systems to sustain employment and demonstrate its capability as it faces an uncertain future pipeline.

Giving evidence to the Scottish Affairs Committee on 16 July, Graeme Thomson said the BAE steelwork contract provided a lifeline as the yard moved off the main construction phase of the ferry Glen Rosa.

“Although that is just steelwork at the moment—I know that point was made earlier—as we have had to release agency and contracting steelwork staff, we have a lot of focus on making sure our core staff stay employed. As that steelwork finishes in Glen Rosa, we are looking to move that capability on to those BAE Systems units.”

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Thomson said that the yard was using the work not only to keep people in jobs but also to prove Ferguson’s value to Scotland’s wider defence industrial base. “We want to be in a position of demonstrating to BAE Systems we have the capability, capacity and skills to deliver on time and quality, so we can then explore other opportunities with BAE Systems to support it going forward and expand that opportunity for us in the defence market.”

Earlier in the session, Tom Chant of the Society of Maritime Industries had warned MPs that civil and defence shipbuilding were inseparable and that a lack of coordinated pipeline left UK yards at a disadvantage. Thomson’s evidence echoed that point, saying Ferguson needed to balance multiple streams of work to survive. “Going forward, as a business, we need to establish a portfolio of work, which will be large vessels, smaller vessels and tier 2 support to other shipyards. We need to make sure we have a portfolio that allows us to balance our workload, understand how we can have continuity of work and manage our peak workload where we come along by reallocating across that portfolio.”

Asked whether Ferguson had faced challenges in transitioning towards defence work, Thomson insisted the yard had adapted without difficulty. “We have not experienced any issue in going on to do this defence work; we have been pursuing it for a number of months now and were delighted to sign that. We want to expand that work. We do not see a blocker to that, having experienced it. We want to continue to push to create that capability to do tier 2 activities. By tier 2, I mean feeding BAE Systems and Babcock with the work they have across central Scotland. We think that is a great opportunity for us and should be part of our portfolio going forward.”

He argued that Ferguson could and should be part of Scotland’s defence shipbuilding future. “As I see it, my responsibility as CEO is to make sure that we have work and are growing the capability, adding the social value that is needed, and establishing a footprint there on the River Clyde that is capable of delivering ships for generations to come. That does not necessarily mean that it has to be solely ferries or civil work; it can be support and defence work, or even other steel structures. But to make sure we have the continuity, we certainly want to be in a position where we are securing a portfolio in adjacent markets to the skill set we have, and we will continue to do so.”

Thomson closed by outlining his longer-term ambition for the yard. “Ultimately, we want to be a tier 1 builder of ships, but we cannot just be that; we need to be something more.”

George Allison
George Allison is the founder and editor of the UK Defence Journal. He holds a degree in Cyber Security from Glasgow Caledonian University and specialises in naval and cyber security topics. George has appeared on national radio and television to provide commentary on defence and security issues. Twitter: @geoallison

19 COMMENTS

  1. But seriously, It’s going to be great to see these two when they are finished, If they can get Cardiff off the barge and If I live that long.

    “Time and Tide waits for no man”

    • It’s not worrying that Fergusons are building steel sections for HMS Birmingham, they already built and delivered sections for HMS Belfast last year. BAe are not stupid and there is zero chance they would have awarded a 2nd contract if the 1st had been late, over budget or failed QC.
      A couple of years ago they had some of Fergusons steel workers /apprentices up to Govan for training just so they could do this sort of work, elsewhere CL and AP are also building sections.
      It all helps keep supply chain options open and supports the skilled workforce to keep on investing and recruiting.

      • Helps keep increasing capacity if there are more fabrication sites as there used to be in T45 and QEC days and more skilled pairs of hands.

        However, RN needs some jam right now in terms of orders as there is about to be an industrial credibility gap….

        • Barring something pretty radical I’m not sure what jam today there possibly could be for the RN.. the T26 and T31 build rate are set in stone and the rate decay on the T23 is what it is.

          Can only see 3 radical options open really

          1) buy an off the shelf foreign new build and the only real place you could get that would be Italy, either the two new launched FREMMs ( freshly commissioned ) the 2 new laid down FREMMs ( for commissioning 2029) or the PPA commissed last year and the fresh one commissioning next year. Italy will always flog a few new ships as it’s flush with new build escorts.
          2) buy some second hand frigates with 15 years left on the clock.
          2) turn the rivers 2s into corvettes and buy some off the self replacement OPVs.

          Other than that any extra major surface combatant’s will need to wait until the mid 2030s to 2040s.

          • Well there is an advert on this site for Lomond Campers…..

            I was referring to orders to keep the pipeline buzzing and taut.

            I suspect ATM the game being played is
            – [HMG] we can’t announce new orders for XYZ because if we did that the slots wouldn’t exist for Norway’s T26s etc….

            Industry can’t openly argue with it otherwise they are killing one pipeline.

            But announcing the new hybrid T32/Bay/Argus class isn’t going to come fast enough to keep Rosyth working flat out.

            The only thing that can be done at Rosyth now is T31BII which would be the sensible thing to order.

            • I miss read sorry, yep order wise I think you’re correct. To be honest I don’t think they will need to slow the line at Babcock as I’m not seeing any evidence that the T31 line will be closed before the RN is ready to order MRSS. Hull three is not yet laid down and no steel has been cut on hulls 4-5 so they will not be launching hull 4 until 28-29.. so this gives then say 2 years to have the order signed. Probably not enough so an extra T31 would probably be a good call.

              The thing is none of this will impact the surface fleet falling of a cliff in 28/29.

              • I agree with you.

                But unless you are @Hugo RN can plan for expansion and recruit accordingly.

                A 24 escort fleet is the pre Cameron Osbourne cuts number and is realistic.

                I firmly believe that another 5 T31 with 24 Mk41 VLS / 8 NSM and a hull sonar fit would be a great choice. Keep the rest budget as per T31BI so they are part of a Hi-Lo mix.

    • A yard saved by the Scottish government providing valuable jobs and preserving skills essential to the defence of the entire British isles. (Including England)Your welcome. 😁

  2. Good news. The ferry debacle is as much Holyrood fault as it is Ferguson’s . Fortunately the individual who were at the centre of this predictable and avoidable utter mess have long gone.
    As for delivery, I suspect the main contracting yard will ensure they deliver to time cost and quality.

  3. It’s not worrying that Fergusons are building steel sections for HMS Birmingham, they already built and delivered sections for HMS Belfast last year. BAe are not stupid and there is zero chance they would have awarded a 2nd contract if the 1st had been late, over budget or failed QC.
    A couple of years ago they had some of Fergusons steel workers /apprentices up to Govan for training just so they could do this sort of work, elsewhere CL and AP are also building sections.
    It all helps keep supply chain options open and supports the skilled workforce to keep on investing and recruiting.

  4. Maybe the future of the yard is as part of BAE or Babcock and not as a separate yard. If the yards future is in assembly of modules for one of the two large shipbuilders then maybe it simply should be directly owned by one of those.

    Or maybe as part of the harland and Wolff group of yards under navantia UK.

    The UK essentially now has 3 big shipbuilders, does it really need a forth.. keep the yard and capacity, ditch the company.

    • I think there are several other yards capable of doing the same sort of work as Ferguson’s. Keeping them separate encourages competition not only on price but on quality.

      Camel Laird recently launched a ferry I think perhaps for Ireland but I might be wrong on where it was for. They certainly can and have built parts for vessels as well as whole builds and refurbishment work.

  5. This firm is only still about because the SNP bailed them out but then gave them nothing to do within their capabilities (Those over priced ferries way beyond what they could deal with). Yes would be best if taken over by one of the big outfits and given work they can actually deal with and the occasional full build. But I guess the SNP would want a mega payout for it? has it got a future? Unless the RN is greatly expanded and repalcement hulls ordered for those wearing out so there is a constant drum beat of hulls hitting the water the future is bleak for all the yards really.

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