HMS Prince of Wales to replace HMS Queen Elizabeth in NATO exercise due to technical issue.

HMS Prince of Wales is scheduled to set sail from Portsmouth on Sunday, stepping in for its sister ship, HMS Queen Elizabeth, which encountered a technical issue preventing its planned deployment.

The aircraft carrier is due to depart from Portsmouth Harbour at 12:15 pm, taking over responsibilities in a NATO exercise that involves more than 40 vessels.

The departure of HMS Prince of Wales follows a recent issue with HMS Queen Elizabeth, which was expected to leave Portsmouth Naval Base last Sunday to lead the largest NATO exercise since the Cold War. However, a problem with the starboard propeller coupling was discovered during final checks, leading to the cancellation of its deployment.

In response to the cancellation, the crew and base workers have prepared HMS Prince of Wales to take on the role originally assigned to HMS Queen Elizabeth in Exercise Steadfast Defender, taking place off Norway. As part of the preparations for its new assignment, scaffolding seen on the carrier’s flight deck has been removed and th pace of work to get the ship ready boosted massively.

HMS Prince of Wales is now ready to participate in the exercise, demonstrating the Royal Navy’s ability to adapt and maintain its operational commitments.

The exercise, named Steadfast Defender, is a NATO operation designed to test the alliance’s capabilities in a large-scale combat environment. HMS Prince of Wales will lead a carrier strike group as part of the exercise.

Equipped with F-35B Lightning stealth fighters, Merlin Mk2 helicopters, and Wildcat helicopters, the carrier strike group will engage in a series of exercises to enhance NATO’s maritime readiness and capabilities.

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Geoff Roach
Geoff Roach (@guest_791525)
3 months ago

Are both aircraft shown going with her?

Mark B
Mark B (@guest_791568)
3 months ago
Reply to  Geoff Roach

Ha Ha. I’m guessing the number of British F35s is increasing slowly plus those pesky Amercians will probably be looking for a free ride as may a few other nations.

Paul Robinson
Paul Robinson (@guest_792047)
3 months ago
Reply to  Mark B

Possibly a policy by the Defence Department to concentrate on getting later model tranches?

ABCRodney
ABCRodney (@guest_792154)
3 months ago
Reply to  Mark B

Andy they are being delivered to the agreed schedule MOD contracted for, and spookily the schedule it pays for. No more and no less ! It’s bang on schedule and we are actually over 75% through it, last one is due next year. You have repeatedly criticised the T26 delivery schedule but it’s the same thing “you get what you pay for, and after you pay for it”. As for the original investment it was a bloody bargain ! We invested USD$2.5 billion (£ 2 billion) or @10% of the development cost overall. We build over 15% by value of… Read more »

lonpfrb
lonpfrb (@guest_792953)
3 months ago
Reply to  ABCRodney

Has this schedule been adjusted for the TR-3 and Block 4 software improvements (delays) or are they compromised to keep to the schedule?

Michael Hannah
Michael Hannah (@guest_791593)
3 months ago
Reply to  Geoff Roach

Yes but she will only have fuel for one,

Aj
Aj (@guest_791961)
3 months ago
Reply to  Geoff Roach

Nothing is going with her , she is not going , she still at her berth in Portsmouth.

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins (@guest_791968)
3 months ago
Reply to  Geoff Roach

It’s looking doubtful at the moment 😂

Mark B
Mark B (@guest_792021)
3 months ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

Next tide? Starting her engines – or trying to?

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins (@guest_792061)
3 months ago
Reply to  Mark B

🙏

Geoff Roach
Geoff Roach (@guest_792022)
3 months ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

Michael. Andy, Aj, Nigel.
So I now see. What a state of affairs. Some of us have been banging on about this for a long time now and it gives me no pleasure for the truth to start coming out. I would like to think that things will get better but I can’t see it.😠

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins (@guest_792069)
3 months ago
Reply to  Geoff Roach

No doubt you have seen many of my posts on here over the past eight years. EMALS, which was the reason for joining and posting as I was very sceptical about the F-35 programme as a whole placing all our eggs in one basket, and still are. FREMM Class Frigates, with a decent work share delivered sooner rather than later. At the time they were selling off the last two (2020) Initial planning assumptions for the Italian Navy are ten FREMM-IT (four ASW variants and six GP variants) at a cost of €5.9 billion. FREMM-IT will replace the Maestrale and… Read more »

Geoff Roach
Geoff Roach (@guest_792634)
3 months ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

I do sympathise with yout thoughts on the F35, partly because of the timescale and partly by us choosing the B version.As you say though it’s far too late now so all we can do is hope that are political friends get the message.We can and should do something about escorts now. The opportunity is there. It needs to be taken.

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins (@guest_792654)
3 months ago
Reply to  Geoff Roach

We can but hope Geoff!

Three former senior NORAD officials argue in this op-ed that the homeland defense must be treated like theatre defense, prepared for multi-tiered attack.

https://

breakingdefense.com/2024/02/the-homeland-is-not-a-sanctuary-the-case-for-more-integrated-air-defenses/?utm_campaign=Newsletters&utm_medium=email&_hsmi=293750623&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-8FCijz_2UF1zhE6QJ0k_wacIJxyAWn0xFRn4Tb6A8gCtGXHZ-H6lQAxi1OxPgvnG6iI13vjc3bZ1xDFl2N37JE45lGTQ&utm_content=293750623&utm_source=hs_email

Geoff Roach
Geoff Roach (@guest_792877)
3 months ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

👍🙂

Ron
Ron (@guest_791529)
3 months ago

Good luck HMS Prince of Wales its time to put the training to the test.

Robert Blay
Robert Blay (@guest_791532)
3 months ago

To say that is a massive achievement is a huge understatement. POW is at 30 days notice to sail, and was undergoing a maintenance period. To get her ready that quickly is a testament to the crew, contractor’s and dockyard staff. The RN might not be the biggest Navy. But it’s still the best Navy. 🇬🇧

Pongoglo
Pongoglo (@guest_791547)
3 months ago
Reply to  Robert Blay

Here here to that – and proves the concept of us having two.

Frank
Frank (@guest_791710)
3 months ago
Reply to  Robert Blay

The Prop/Coupling issue on QE was first found on Jan 8th…. my guess is that POW was worked on as a precaution up until the date QE was to sail and then accelerated after that. Viewing all the activity on POW, certainly seemed to back that all up, I did believe yesterday that she might sail today or Monday as her deck was clean.
Well done to everyone involved and lets hope she has a great trip…. It’ll be interesting to see her actually performing the job she was intended for rather than a continuation of trials.

Robert Blay
Robert Blay (@guest_791999)
3 months ago
Reply to  Robert Blay

👍🇬🇧

Robert Blay
Robert Blay (@guest_792455)
3 months ago
Reply to  Robert Blay

Ha. Yes mate. 👍

klonkie
klonkie (@guest_792100)
3 months ago
Reply to  Robert Blay

Well said Robert! Besides, things could be far worse. Look at our New Zealand Navy- blink and you’ll miss it. I’m envious of how our Australian cousins are expanding their naval capabilities.

ABCRodney
ABCRodney (@guest_792161)
3 months ago
Reply to  klonkie

I actually think NZ is pretty good at getting value for money compared to others. HMNZS Aortearoa is very capable ship compared to many others, you spent very well. NZ has to decide if it joins RAN Hunter programme or not ? Personally I think that due to Labour costs that would be unaffordable and RAN are really packing kit in. But there are plenty of options that are more affordable. Daft as it may sound but if you want to keep the maximum commonality possible with the Hunters but need a cheaper option then….. The T26 would be a… Read more »

klonkie
klonkie (@guest_792535)
3 months ago
Reply to  ABCRodney

Thanks ABC Rodney valid points. I think the Type 26 is likely to be unaffordable or us. I do see a type 31/32 frigate as a clear possibility to replace the 2 ANZAC frigates.

Frank
Frank (@guest_792159)
3 months ago
Reply to  Robert Blay

What was that you were saying ?

Robert Blay
Robert Blay (@guest_792207)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank

If you are talking about POW still in port. It possibly due to weather. People act shocked when something doesn’t go to plan or something breaks down. It’s happened for decades. The only difference is People now hear about it due to social media. The Invincible class had many break downs in port and at sea. And departure times changed. It’s nothing new. Why take unnecessary risk. Swapping vessels over for short notice deployments certainly never happened. Even with 3 vessels in the class.

Michael Hannah
Michael Hannah (@guest_791577)
3 months ago

I believe they have found corrosion where corrosion should not be on the QE, so she is heading to Scotland and going into the dry dock.
I hope they will pull her drive train and fully inspect it because this is getting a tad embarrassing.
And please please get the message on defence spending .

Redshift
Redshift (@guest_791589)
3 months ago
Reply to  Michael Hannah

By believe – Do you know that to be true? Or do you have a good certainty say 80%?

Michael Hannah
Michael Hannah (@guest_791608)
3 months ago
Reply to  Redshift

Just quoting the press release, it is not the same problem that Dry Docked the PoW.

Frank
Frank (@guest_791744)
3 months ago
Reply to  Redshift

There were a couple of posters over on Navy Lookout who claimed to have first hand knowledge, they described in detail what the problem was…. Both were soon deleted/censored.

FormerUSAF
FormerUSAF (@guest_791600)
3 months ago
Reply to  Michael Hannah

Wonder whether she will be returned to fleet status as quickly as HMS PWLS? Understand that HMS QNLZ is already slated for initial refit later in 2024. Combine and accelerate schedule, or are timetables unchangeable? USN/USMC could well have an abiding interest in schedule, due to continuing requirement for multiple carriers in ME theater. 🤔

Jonathan
Jonathan (@guest_792000)
3 months ago
Reply to  FormerUSAF

If it was any carrier going it would be Prince of wales after work up etc…I don’t think the U.S. have a carrier issue just yet but in six months time they will either be elongating a deployment or sucking a carrier away from the pacific..neither is great.

FormerUSAF
FormerUSAF (@guest_792120)
3 months ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Precisely, no guarantee current situation resolved in the near term.

ABCRodney
ABCRodney (@guest_792163)
3 months ago
Reply to  FormerUSAF

Have you seen just how many CVN you have deployed or just back ? It’s pretty high percentage of the number available.

FormerUSAF
FormerUSAF (@guest_792348)
3 months ago
Reply to  ABCRodney

Yes, especially if conditions warrant having multiple carriers in theater.

FormerUSAF
FormerUSAF (@guest_792117)
3 months ago
Reply to  FormerUSAF

Would anticipate that EMALS mod will be delayed until at least the late 2020’s refit, unless HMG becomes sufficiently alarmed by current events to spend serious coin of the realm on rearmament. 🤔

Gavin Gordon
Gavin Gordon (@guest_792339)
3 months ago
Reply to  FormerUSAF

Of late, two respected UK defence analysts have commented along lines that they were less sure the population needed to acknowledge increased threats, but more the politicians. That’s Professor Michael Clarke & Dr Chris Parry.

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke (@guest_792353)
3 months ago
Reply to  Gavin Gordon

I think most of the population have got the postcard.

As MSN have got the postcard…..

Unfortunately we do need to spend to stop a potentially nasty war caused by alliance of the nasty wanting to upset the rules based order for their own ends.

Gavin Gordon
Gavin Gordon (@guest_792378)
3 months ago

Would likely have added the Times Radio links for authentication in the past, but that would only have condemned me to the security abyss. The Chris Parry comment was 4 days back

Andrew D
Andrew D (@guest_791585)
3 months ago

Good luck to her and crew ,any one know the number of F35s 🤔🇬🇧 or should I go for a long walk 🚶

Andrew D
Andrew D (@guest_792005)
3 months ago
Reply to  Andrew D

At the moment Andy it’s looking that way 🤗

A Headhunter
A Headhunter (@guest_791618)
3 months ago

Gosh! Jolly lucky we have two of them.

Lyndon Newton
Lyndon Newton (@guest_791621)
3 months ago

I think we as a nation should be sending our best wishes to the ship’s crew, instead of making snide remarks about aircraft and fuel etc.
Just because we are becoming overrun with certain types, should not stop us from still being a proud nation.

Gary Moore
Gary Moore (@guest_791646)
3 months ago

Not sailing on Sunday, and that’s 100% fact, if you travel to see her depart you will be disappointed.

Airborne
Airborne (@guest_791657)
3 months ago

Bloody hell that was a fast regain, well done to all involved 👍

Billythefish
Billythefish (@guest_791676)
3 months ago

More technical issues on the carriers? It is really depressing that compared with commercial ships these RN folk seem unable to properly maintain and operate the vessels they are given.

Andrew D
Andrew D (@guest_791682)
3 months ago
Reply to  Billythefish

According to a former Admiral on GBN last week it’s cheap parts what are source out ,anything to save money .We’re in is day all parts were tried and tested to military standards .

Jim
Jim (@guest_791704)
3 months ago
Reply to  Andrew D

Well if it’s on GBN news it must be true 😀

When exactly was his day? HMS Invincible suffered a near complete break down of her propulsion system in 1982 on her way to the Falklands.

Was that cheap parts?

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke (@guest_791772)
3 months ago
Reply to  Jim

No it wasn’t – it was an alignment issue that caused accelerated wear when she was pushed hard.

Tim
Tim (@guest_791799)
3 months ago

Funny how we all complain about the state of the RN today. In 1982 we had 4 carriers. Bulwark had just been decommissioned, Hermes had just had a boiler fire, Invincible was up for sale and Illustrious was still being built. I think the QECs should have been designed with 4 props, not 2. Each one would be smaller with a bit less to go wrong and with maybe have some commonality with the Tides. Plus if one got a problem it would be less of a risk to still use the ship, especially as for the next 45 years… Read more »

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke (@guest_791808)
3 months ago
Reply to  Tim

Bulwark was a commando carrier at the end of her life?

I agree QEC should really have had 4 props but if they had too much gold plating we would have had zero carriers. So we are better off with what we now have than nothing.

I think the answer is a thorough review of the drive train and up speccing of critical components that don’t have large enough margins. Yes, it costs money but in a fight you can’t have propulsion failure.

Grizzler
Grizzler (@guest_792039)
3 months ago

Well at the moment it appears that’s what we do have …nothing….what an embarrassment.

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke (@guest_792084)
3 months ago

Blake wasn’t a surface carrier but could carry 4 x Sea King (?)

Her sister Tiger was also pulled out of mothballs and some work was done on both.

But the war ended – they were not needed and would have been very hard to crew.

I’ve no idea what the plan was with those hulls other than they were big and had 6” guns which would have been very useful for NGS.

John Clark
John Clark (@guest_792218)
3 months ago

Blake and Tiger would have been useful for many reasons, the very large hanger (making them miniature ASW carriers in their own right), the guns would have been useful too, but they would have been extremely vulnerable to air attack….

More than a whiff of desperation and panic pulling them from reserve SB!

Had the Cold War gone hot they would have been used as mini ASW Carriers, out in the North Atlantic, forming their own AS task groups and on Convoy escort protection.

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke (@guest_792224)
3 months ago
Reply to  John Clark

ASW wasn’t the main thing once the war got going. It was more of an initial fear.

The Russians had a, suspected at the time and subsequently declared, sub in theatre monitoring.

They were so old by that stage they would have been of little use. As you say they had no modern AAW capabilities and would have been hopelessly vulnerable to air attack.

klonkie
klonkie (@guest_792094)
3 months ago

Bulwark was decommissioned well before the Falklands in 1982. Invincible and Hermes were operational. Illustrious was on fit out trials- effectively only two operational carriers

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke (@guest_792102)
3 months ago
Reply to  klonkie

Indeed Bulwark was long retired.

My earlier point was that she wasn’t configured for Harrier but for helicopters.

So I’m not sure how useful she would have been?

klonkie
klonkie (@guest_792537)
3 months ago

Its an interesting point SB. I’m sure the extra capacity would have been useful to accommodate helos and the Royal Marines though.

ABCRodney
ABCRodney (@guest_792164)
3 months ago

If memory serves Bulwark was a no no as she had been stripped of parts for Hermes and also used by SF for practice. And she had grass growing on her decaying flight deck. The Rusty B.

Andrew D
Andrew D (@guest_791843)
3 months ago
Reply to  Jim

Well let’s face it mate even with expensive parts things can go wrong, just like my Audi injection system 😕 haha although not laughing at the time just like MOD with QE .Just thought put post across. 👍

Paul.P
Paul.P (@guest_791849)
3 months ago
Reply to  Andrew D

Vorsprung durch technik?

Pete ( the original from years ago)
Pete ( the original from years ago) (@guest_791869)
3 months ago
Reply to  Andrew D

But a latent defect would be a latent defect…still needs to be fit for purpose.

John Clark
John Clark (@guest_792217)
3 months ago
Reply to  Jim

“Well if it’s on GBN news it must be true” You certainly get a much more balanced and unbiased option on GBN Jim. They have equal views from the Left and the Right. Most folks who believe the ‘ extreme right wing channel’ rubbish, haven’t actually watched it, they just swallow the lame stream propaganda. The BBC is is little more than a left wing think tank and mouth piece these days, led by it’s defacto ‘dear leader’, that champion of all things woke (who we are all contributing towards a vast salary too, to be force fed his opinions)… Read more »

Jacko
Jacko (@guest_791745)
3 months ago
Reply to  Andrew D

Sorry mate but 99% of these talking heads and ‘defence’ correspondents are talking out off their arse!

Andrew D
Andrew D (@guest_791846)
3 months ago
Reply to  Jacko

Maybe he was in the Jolly sailor 🍺 before is broadcast 🤗 🇬🇧

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke (@guest_791816)
3 months ago
Reply to  Andrew D

The parts have to conform to class rules.

Propulsions needs a thorough analysis and some parts updated.

Frank
Frank (@guest_791748)
3 months ago

Engines started about 30 minutes ago…. that’s promising 😀

Crabfat
Crabfat (@guest_791760)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank

Bet the BBC won’t report it…

Frank
Frank (@guest_791824)
3 months ago
Reply to  Crabfat

Nothing on BBC TV or web site when I looked earlier. Plenty on MSN though…..

Andrew D
Andrew D (@guest_791892)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank

Oh no it’s not 🙄 Cancelled

David Barry
David Barry (@guest_791919)
3 months ago
Reply to  Andrew D

Its sailing is cancelled?

Gavin Gordon
Gavin Gordon (@guest_791929)
3 months ago
Reply to  David Barry

Yes

Jon
Jon (@guest_791954)
3 months ago
Reply to  Gavin Gordon

Oh, fishhooks!

Gavin Gordon
Gavin Gordon (@guest_792235)
3 months ago
Reply to  Jon

Maybe time to call in the experts; that is if the Russians have any spare ocean tug skippers temporarily unemployed in the Black Sea?

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins (@guest_791777)
3 months ago

Any chance of that missile defence shield I keep asking for and a few additional Typhoons please? Would I be pushing my luck if I asked for a large stock of Tomahawk, JSM/NSM, Meteor, ASRAAM, Aster 15/30, and Marte ER to serve as a useful deterrent? 2025 should be a very interesting year. Donald Trump has said he would “encourage” Russia to attack any Nato member that fails to pay its bills as part of the Western military alliance. “At a rally on Saturday, he said he had once told a leader he would not protect a nation behind on… Read more »

John
John (@guest_791786)
3 months ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

Take anything the national media says about Trump with a pinch of salt. Treaties exist for a reason, and the US can only opt out of Nato after due process. Nobody likes him because he will not comply with “norms”. It looks like he will be in post this time next year. IF it makes us and Europe wake up, spend more on defence? Then l for one look forward to another term for him.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_791811)
3 months ago
Reply to  John

Trump opted the US out of both NAFTA and the Paris Climate agreement – with ease.

John
John (@guest_791856)
3 months ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

So what? If a country chooses to “opt out” that is their business. This is reality. Europe as a whole has leached on the US since WW2. They need to wake up.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_792089)
3 months ago
Reply to  John

So what? I was giving 2 concrete examples where President Trump opted out of treaties, so it is feasible for him to wish to opt out of NATO (and do so) if he became President again.

Your criticism of ‘Europe’ leads me to guess you are American?

Worth re-stating that the only time ever since 1949 that article 5 was called it was because the USA had been attacked – all European NATO countries rallied around, plus several others. NATO works.

Christopher
Christopher (@guest_792196)
3 months ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

I am not American and Trump is dead right.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_792574)
3 months ago
Reply to  Christopher

Thanks Christopher. When Trump made his comment he was totally right. Most European NATO nations were below 2% of GDP spend on defence. Some increased their defence spend, possibly as a consequence.
More increased their spend due to the Russo-Ukraine war. Still, Europe pays far too little for its own defence. Europe should be able to defend the continent totally without American help, but many countries are wedded to social programmes in preference.

Chris
Chris (@guest_793046)
3 months ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

The USA’s criticism of Europe doesn’t include the UK. The UK’s relationship is special. Which enrages the continental Euro politicians further.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_793216)
3 months ago
Reply to  Chris

True but some US senior officers and their Secretary of the Navy have made pointed comments about the size of our army and navy.

ABCRodney
ABCRodney (@guest_792165)
3 months ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Yep but Congress has changed the Law. They have to approve US ditching NATO. And that means both houses.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_792340)
3 months ago
Reply to  ABCRodney

When did that happen and who instigated it? I guess it was done in the current Biden era.

Andrew D
Andrew D (@guest_791850)
3 months ago
Reply to  John

Agreed if it makes Europe wake up ,it’s a good thing 👍however Trump been in the past friendly with Putin he may help Russia 🙄 invaded Ukraine 🤗

John
John (@guest_791858)
3 months ago
Reply to  Andrew D

Globalisation is over, regardless of what the WEF and World Bank want people to believe. I find Trumps realism refreshing TBH. The “threat” from China is another pup we are being sold. Most geopolitical studies show the opposite, like the EU it is collapsing internally. The problem for me is western politicians and populations grew so used to “blocs”? They cannot think outside of their respective boxes.

Gavin Gordon
Gavin Gordon (@guest_792350)
3 months ago
Reply to  John

I was tempted to reply with dry humour, but then felt you may believe it.😉

John Stevens
John Stevens (@guest_792049)
3 months ago
Reply to  Andrew D

Trump is dangerous in many different ways. I just pray he fails to get back into the White House.. Could he bad for Europe that’s for sure

John Stevens
John Stevens (@guest_792050)
3 months ago
Reply to  John Stevens

Correction: * Will be bad for Europe. Or the democratic European countries.

Christopher
Christopher (@guest_792198)
3 months ago
Reply to  John Stevens

Democratic European countries? Ukraine, coup d etat, poland gauliter installed, opposition mps arrested, press marginalized, their equivalent of BBC defunded, Hungary….vote how we tell you or we will crash your economy, Holland just voted for a nazi, Germany is heading to AFD, did you see their marches? The weren’t at Nuremberg…..but in all other aspects it seemed somehow familiar……, Trump, while an ass on many things, neither they or us have any obligation to carry on funding armies to fight an enemy that just cant get to the UK without going the the French nuclear deterrent. Not one penny for… Read more »

John Stevens
John Stevens (@guest_792247)
3 months ago
Reply to  Christopher

Still very much worth protecting what we have in our European Democratic countries. Not saying everything is perfect – political problems in different countries. Trump would make everything so much worse. When you talk about the Ukraine.. You are talking nonsense. Sorry mate.

John Stevens
John Stevens (@guest_792249)
3 months ago
Reply to  John Stevens

*Zelensky won with a landslide*

lonpfrb
lonpfrb (@guest_792966)
3 months ago
Reply to  John Stevens

Patriots uphold the Constitution of the United States. #45 is ineligible for public office having engaged in Insurrection or supporting the same. The District Court and Supreme Court of Colorado were unanimous that he’s an Insurrectionist. The 3 Disents were on procedure not the facts of the case. The investigation of Maine agreed. This matter is with the Supreme Court so they must demonstrate that they are patriots. Constitutional scholars and retired Judges say that they have no choice! The 11th Circuit Appeal panel found that he has no presidential immunity after some delay to make their judgement unanimous and… Read more »

Frank62
Frank62 (@guest_791855)
3 months ago
Reply to  John

He’s always looked totally unfit for public office to me, let alone POTUS. I wouldn’t buy a used car off him. Also a Putin fan boy at best & stupid enough to drag the US into a civil war or autorcracy. Though of course Euro-Nato needs to up its spending & take our own security seriously. HMG is always great on soundbiting that while cutting forces & capabilities, plus cooking the books to make our GDP defence spending appear rosier. We have all the resources we need to fuly support UKR & defend ourselves if Russia widens the war, if… Read more »

Christopher
Christopher (@guest_792199)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank62

Fully support more UK Defence spending, but not for armies to sit in Europe. Spend it on the navy and airforce, get what people we have left out of Europe and then they can have a European army, GB and Canada and the US can go home…….and stop paying

Netking
Netking (@guest_792104)
3 months ago
Reply to  John

 It looks like he will be in post this time next year.”

More likely he’s facing jail time this time next year.

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins (@guest_792259)
3 months ago
Reply to  John

Let’s hop so. NATO would be better off urgently rebuilding military forces capable of deterring threats with or without US support Two-thirds of NATO’s 31 member states still have not increased the amount of national income dedicated to defence to a minimum of 2% (and experts deem that level to be woefully inadequate). “Mr Trump, who is the frontrunner to be the Republican candidate for president, said he responded by warning: “You didn’t pay. You’re delinquent. Yes, let’s say that happened. No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want.”… Read more »

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins (@guest_791963)
3 months ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

As I said, 2025 should make for a very interesting year!

DanielMorgan
DanielMorgan (@guest_791965)
3 months ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

What you or anyone in the UK thinks about Trump is totally irrelevant. Huff and puff all you want, it means nothing. That’s reality.

ChrisLondon
ChrisLondon (@guest_792113)
3 months ago
Reply to  DanielMorgan

Hello Daniel, We have not exchanged comments here before. Please do not take anything personally. Whether Trump’s comments matter will depend on if the quarter of the USA that votes Republican is bigger than the quarter that votes Democrat (the system has a built in pro Republican bias so when he loses by 3.5million votes he ‘wins’. The Democrats have to win by 7m to squeak in). From outside, the question I always ask is why does half the population effectively vote ‘none of the above’. The USA does not subsidise Europe’s defence. European countries spend what they see fit… Read more »

Christopher
Christopher (@guest_792202)
3 months ago
Reply to  ChrisLondon

Fantasy, the US provides the teeth and the ability to command at scale, no country in Europe, with the possible exception of the uk ( on a tiny scale) even invests in this

Pongoglo
Pongoglo (@guest_792221)
3 months ago
Reply to  Christopher

Quite clearly you’ve never served with the ARRC…..

lonpfrb
lonpfrb (@guest_792980)
3 months ago
Reply to  DanielMorgan

Hear hear.

The Tangerine Toddler is a world liability and the sooner he is confined to jail the better for everyone.

He belongs in Fulton County Jail where he will be accountable for his actions and not above the law 🇺🇲

His Dictator Dementia requires confinement for his safety. That’s appropriate care for the elderly and in the interests of national security.

Geneticengineer
Geneticengineer (@guest_791981)
3 months ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

Could you please explain to me why my tax money should go to support european countries that continue to ponce off the US? You all love to laugh at us paying for healthcare, no maternity leave and only 2 weeks vacay a year but conveniently forget that we’re picking up the tab so you guys can call of sick as and when you want and have so many safety nets you might as well be wrapped in a bubble. And the UK isn’t exempt, yes you barely pay the 2% but when you factor our the nuclear aspect that drops… Read more »

ChrisLondon
ChrisLondon (@guest_792115)
3 months ago

Please see my reply to Daniel. I really hope for a good debate on this as I am bemused/shocked by Trump still being seen as a serious candidate.

Geneticengineer
Geneticengineer (@guest_792125)
3 months ago
Reply to  ChrisLondon

Trump is seen as a serious candidate by a minority group of MAGA republicans and republicans that will vote for whoever is the republican candidate (Dems have the same problem… so do labour and tories in the UK). Most people I know cannot understand why Biden is running again. The man is a total disaster and I voted for him (although not in the primary). How on earth do you convince a floating voter to vote for someone who is clearly senile? He is flagrantly anti-british, totally F’d Up Afghan and hasn’t exactly done a lot to keep Russia in… Read more »

ChrisLondon
ChrisLondon (@guest_792131)
3 months ago

It is a dismal choice and I sympathise. At the last election the choice here was Boris or Corbyn. Despite living in a Con/Lab marginal and being one of the 25% of the population who decides the election I gave my vote to the Lib Dems in despair.

I think I would still blame Trump more than Biden for Afghanistan. He signed a very bad deal and Biden had to promise to honor it on the campaign trail. Re Ukraine I see Trump as a paid for Russian agent like Farage.

Dokis
Dokis (@guest_792187)
3 months ago
Reply to  ChrisLondon

As said above, very wise comments. Please see my post above, it is an answer to this one too

Dokis
Dokis (@guest_792186)
3 months ago

I find Chris’ posts extremely wise. Let me say one thing though, my sick leave is probably not paid by US investments in world dominance, rather by the fact that tax here in Europe is up to 40% even for not particularly rich people. Consider your tax rate, and round it up to 40% of your income with a private insurance, and likely life will be more comfortable. Anyway it is about world dominance, fueled by the companies that profit from it and lobby in Washington DC. If US turned isolationist, it would be bad for Europe in the short… Read more »

Christopher
Christopher (@guest_792203)
3 months ago

Completely agree, let them withdraw money from wokerism to fill the gap

Christopher
Christopher (@guest_792200)
3 months ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

It was Margret Thatcher that persuaded Bush 1 to go to Kuwait…..try and keep up.

lonpfrb
lonpfrb (@guest_792975)
3 months ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

Further #45 will shortly be out of business in NYC having lost his company licenses and $500,000,000 paid to the taxpayers that his crooked business persistently defrauded. He’s never been a really great businessman. He has lost half the fortune that his father left him. He’s a convicted rapist and defamer of his victim E.Jean Carroll whom he now owes $88,300,000 to. Plus legal fees. He has 91 indictments going to trial with co-defendants who have pled guilty to avoid jail time. His defence will fail due to the evidence. He has six bankruptcies to evade accountability and more than… Read more »

Chris
Chris (@guest_793049)
3 months ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

With the exception of the UK, Canada and some nordic countries, NATO’s contribution was bare minimum. Ceremonial even.

I remember when the Germans deployed, the German government refused their placement in any troubled areas of Afghanistan. Many of the provinces they were ‘occupying’ were of no trouble at all and well within the control of the local provincial governments. France, don’t even get me started.

Eoin
Eoin (@guest_791793)
3 months ago

Does anyone know if POW will still be visiting Glen Mallan like Queen Elizabeth was meant to be last week? How long does it take her to sail from Portsmouth to the Clyde?

Trevor Dearling
Trevor Dearling (@guest_791821)
3 months ago

Ir leaves me confused, why reject commonwealth candidates, the Ghurkas are brilliant. Conscription would not be so picky…..it. would be/difficult to avoid service, my memory se4ves me well.
Ex. Cyprus and Egypt…paras. /

Frank
Frank (@guest_791833)
3 months ago

Get yourselves on Youtube if you want to see her departing….. HMS Warrior Live Cam….. It goes through a ten minute cycle of different views but if you are lucky, you’ll catch her…… also take a look at the Solent cam as you should be able to spot her breaking down !!!…. lol sorry, I must stop being so negative….😂

Frank62
Frank62 (@guest_791857)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank

12:52 & she’s still there without a tug in sight. Often Warrior cam interupts the usual view changing cycle to give better coverage of QE CVAs arriving/departing.

Frank
Frank (@guest_791859)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank62

Yup…. It’s a bit late now…… Hopefully she’ll leave soon….

Frank
Frank (@guest_791918)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank

😂… I’m just crying here now mate…………

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins (@guest_791998)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank

“Any further updates on sailing times will be published on KHM Portsmouth’s shipping movements later today.”

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_792128)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank

Maybe you were right. I heard this afternoon that she had not left harbour. I wonder what happened.

Frank
Frank (@guest_792197)
3 months ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Sadly, I was….. Will we get to know what happened this time ? ….. I watched as the time came and there was Smoke just shortly before 12….. both funnels had smoke a while before on startup….. but this second amount of Smoke came from just the forward island…..not sure if relevant. Both Gangways were retracted too but shortly after, one was re attached. There was also another Deck Walk in the area of the newly coated section, shortly after the due departure time and I didn’t see any tugs either. I would hope that this latest set back would… Read more »

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_792579)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank

Just looked at Navy Lookout website. Says she sailed but did not give a time.

Adrian
Adrian (@guest_791840)
3 months ago

Lucky we have 2, french CDG was always missing when needed and they struggled with reliability. 2 is the proven minimum and I hope the politicians are taking note

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_792129)
3 months ago
Reply to  Adrian

We always needed three carriers as a minimum. Arguably, plus a LPH to replace HMS Ocean.

George Amery
George Amery (@guest_791842)
3 months ago

Hi folks hope all is well.
Great stuff and the best of British to all of her crew. Good to see as per usual the Brits keep it quiet on progress on the fast turnaround of getting her ready demonstrates we still have that can do when push comes to shove.
Do we know how many F35s we deploying?
Cheers
George

Nick Cole
Nick Cole (@guest_791852)
3 months ago

We should have built a third while all the expertise and facilities were in place and practised! ‘Peace Dividend’tax cuts ruled!

Frank
Frank (@guest_791876)
3 months ago
Reply to  Nick Cole

Yup…. They’d make great accommodation for all the Migrants I guess…….. FFS, just how low can we go ?

klonkie
klonkie (@guest_792091)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank

Send ’em to settle in China, Japan, Taiwan or South Korea. All of these states bemoan their falling birth rates and yet seem oblivious to taking their fair share of “refuges”- funny that

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_792130)
3 months ago
Reply to  Nick Cole

Rule of 3. We needed three carriers.

Grizzler
Grizzler (@guest_792147)
3 months ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Why..so we can have have another carrier laid up with propellor issues…we can’t even afford to run two..maybe not even one properly so 3 would be an impossibility.

Nick Cole
Nick Cole (@guest_792291)
3 months ago
Reply to  Grizzler

As it stands yes we can’t afford the manpower, aircraft, or the escorts. But that still doesn’t mean we really need 3. The alternative is to relinquish our global pacific imperialism and spend the money instead on the European or North Atlantic theatres. Build another with cats/traps makes sense and keep it in reserve as we do with Trident, so that one is always available.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore (@guest_792496)
3 months ago
Reply to  Grizzler

Why? Rule of 3. Thought I said that. To be very sure of having one naval asset to be available for operations, you need 3. We used to have three carriers for this reason – the logic still stands. On a good day you might have 2 carriers that ae available – good – sometimes you might want 2 carriers at sea for operational redundancy (eg. Falklands Conflict). I do not advocate buying a third carrier without the funding to buy it or the crew to run it. Additional defence funding would be required for both aspects. Of course its… Read more »

Tommo
Tommo (@guest_791853)
3 months ago

On no it isn’t Sailing of the POW been put back to 1pm Monday

John
John (@guest_791860)
3 months ago
Reply to  Tommo

Probably a noise from a propeller shaft….🙄

Frank
Frank (@guest_791862)
3 months ago
Reply to  Tommo

Oh… really ? That’s not good ….. so many people turned up again, what’s happened now ?

Deep32
Deep32 (@guest_791864)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank

Just looking at webcam now mate, not a lot going on, cant see her leaving in the next hr or so without tugs etc. Gangway still on, no sign of deck activity. Who knows?

Frank
Frank (@guest_791872)
3 months ago
Reply to  Deep32

Both Gangways were withdrawn but the Aft one has been extended again……. Apparently one of the Tugs had a Prop Shaft Coupling issue……. 🙄…. I’m obviously just joking but just WTF……….. ?

Someone Famous once said… “There seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today”

Anyone know If HMS Hermes is still for sale ?

Andrew D
Andrew D (@guest_792012)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank

Let’s hope so 🤗

Tommo
Tommo (@guest_791882)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank

Haven’t the faintest Pompey news just put out message POW sailing delayed 1pm Monday the earliest

Frank
Frank (@guest_791888)
3 months ago
Reply to  Tommo

Yup, just read it….. No date confirmed…. I’m currently looking at Emigrating to Pitcairn….. can’t be doing with all the stress !

Tommo
Tommo (@guest_791946)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank

There’s an OPV think it’s the Sprey visiting ,you might get a Call round for some Tinnies Frank

Frank
Frank (@guest_792204)
3 months ago
Reply to  Tommo

That’s the thing that puts me off….. Re supply of Beer is a hit and miss affair !

Tommo
Tommo (@guest_792222)
3 months ago
Reply to  Tommo

The full supply during a RAS (s) never seemed too reach the Stores for some reason never did find out why ( Hic burp)

Tommo
Tommo (@guest_791964)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank

According too County News Dockies and Crew have been seen re erecting flightdeck Scaffolding

Frank
Frank (@guest_792205)
3 months ago
Reply to  Tommo

Beer Tent ? … might as well have a few party’s whilst waiting around !

Tommo
Tommo (@guest_792223)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank

Can’t let a little thing like Fall In for harbour stations ruin a Sunday lunch drinking session got too keep warm and dry make the most of it

Frank62
Frank62 (@guest_791861)
3 months ago

Great turn around to get her ready for sea so quickly. Still had covers/tenting over flight deck parts with high temp treatments for F35 VTOL up to a few days ago.
I hope she now has or will asap have the fully fitted(but still well inadequate IMO) defensive armament.

Frank
Frank (@guest_791865)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank62

Delayed apparently…… you couldn’t make it up. 🙄

Frank62
Frank62 (@guest_791871)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank

Dad’s Navy!

Frank
Frank (@guest_791874)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank62

Uncle bloody Alberts more like……….. 😂

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins (@guest_791890)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank

During the war…😂

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins (@guest_791889)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank62

😂

Andrew D
Andrew D (@guest_791886)
3 months ago

HMS POW sail just been cancelled . 😕

Frank
Frank (@guest_791904)
3 months ago
Reply to  Andrew D

Yup…….. This is yet another low point …… I’m guessing not one Politician of the past 20 years will even give a F%$k….. Too busy handing out Peerages to 27 year olds and Donators.. We need change…. we need big change…. and we need it now…..

Deep32
Deep32 (@guest_791952)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank

Twitter feed on NL is saying tomorrow lunch time mate. No reason given.

Andrew D
Andrew D (@guest_792014)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank

👍

David Barry
David Barry (@guest_791924)
3 months ago

Could be a Monday sailing…

Frank
Frank (@guest_791932)
3 months ago
Reply to  David Barry

Which year ? 🙄

David Barry
David Barry (@guest_791939)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank

Which excuse. Is it laughable that our SSN, FF and DD platforms have been cut to the bone – that’s not right, broken in half? Still not there. Malleted to pieces on the anvil of carrier strike? F35B, we have to wait for another iteration of software; carriers are a tad troublesome mechanically… The UK needs defence but not this kind, heavens Kutsenov could at least put to sea, albeit with a tug. Which begs the questions, what will Labour do with these two dry dock Queens and how happy will we be if they are both binned in favour… Read more »

Frank
Frank (@guest_791950)
3 months ago
Reply to  David Barry

Mate…. How sad is it all at the moment…. despite our uber professional Forces and all their skills ? …… This is a staggering embarrassment…. yet again……

Marked
Marked (@guest_791938)
3 months ago

Put the world on hold, our second carrier is broke now 🤣. Did someone put a jinx on these things?

Jon
Jon (@guest_791956)
3 months ago
Reply to  Marked

And for only a million quid I will remove it. Please deliver unmarked notes in a plain brown paper bag round the back of the M&S carpark.

Tommo
Tommo (@guest_791969)
3 months ago
Reply to  Jon

Always had you down as a Waitrose shopper

John
John (@guest_791993)
3 months ago
Reply to  Marked

Six billion quid equates to about six Astute class subs. And a few more Typhoons for the RAF….

Andrew D
Andrew D (@guest_792019)
3 months ago
Reply to  John

Does make one wonder on day’s like this 🤔 🇬🇧

Frank
Frank (@guest_792195)
3 months ago
Reply to  John

Astute class are mostly along side too ! well not really but it’s another sad state of affairs.

Geoffi
Geoffi (@guest_792037)
3 months ago

Guess what ? It didnt sail at 12:15.
PoW has a problem now too….

Bill
Bill (@guest_792045)
3 months ago

It hasn’t sailed. Now what? Embarrassing 😡

Richard Beedall
Richard Beedall (@guest_792053)
3 months ago

The sailing of PoW on Sunday was cancelled for unstated reasons at a very late stage. Now maybe Monday, but not yet listed by KHM Portsmouth. PR disaster on PR disaster for the RN and its two “£3 billion” carriers.

Andrew Thorne
Andrew Thorne (@guest_792063)
3 months ago

Doesn’t look as if it left…..from recent reports…

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins (@guest_792072)
3 months ago

Gosport Ferry just docked 18:50 👍🇬🇧

Frank
Frank (@guest_792194)
3 months ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

I did mention last week that she was the only active ship in Pompey !!!!!

Alex lightbody
Alex lightbody (@guest_792093)
3 months ago

Hope the company that built these aircraft carriers is picking up the repair bill and not the tax payet

George Amery
George Amery (@guest_792101)
3 months ago

Hi folks,
What a show. You couldn’t make it up! No doubt many of you have heard the latest on the news. Now HMSPOW is not going and has issues.
What on earth is going on? This is such an embarrassment to the nation.
Hopefully she can be in good working order and ready in a few days?
Cheers,
George

HMS
HMS (@guest_792106)
3 months ago

Good look to all our protectors and thankyou and be safe .

Something Different
Something Different (@guest_792169)
3 months ago

I wonder what happened this time

Frank
Frank (@guest_792192)
3 months ago

Ran out of Adblue…..

Gareth Evans
Gareth Evans (@guest_792191)
3 months ago

Update the sailing was cancelled by what is believed to be either a very similar problem or as some are claiming a logistics issue.

Frank
Frank (@guest_792211)
3 months ago

Groundhog Day… again !

7.22 am, Smoke from the Foreword island Funnel and a totally clear deck….. fingers crossed for 1pm.

Frank
Frank (@guest_792213)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank

7.39, smoke from the aft island funnel….. looks promising.

Tommo
Tommo (@guest_792256)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank

I thought Portsmouth had a clean Air zone policy better get a move on don’t want a fine from the Council Frank

Frank
Frank (@guest_792267)
3 months ago
Reply to  Tommo

Well I heard yesterday that when she fired up her engines… someone reported her and the Council Wheel Clamped her…… sounds plausible I guess.

Animal
Animal (@guest_792251)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank

A Lynx has just landed, looks like she is sailing at 1pm after all.

Frank
Frank (@guest_792268)
3 months ago
Reply to  Animal

Mate, Just seen she has 3 Wildcats now….. they look so small in comparison to the Merlins ….

Frank62
Frank62 (@guest_792293)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank

Just looked at webcam 1st time today. Yes tiny! Couldn’t believe they were helis, looking so small, assumed they must be aircraft tractors. Lovely day to depart.
Did anyone find out why departure was delayed yesterday?

Frank
Frank (@guest_792305)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank62

Beautiful day…. I’mused to seeing Merlins and Wildcats and Merlins certainly do cast bigger shadows….. fingers crossed mate…… i’ll be on the Web Cam Site for a bit now…. looks like Mounts Bay and Somerset (?) just left Plymouth too but Ship Tracker is a bit ambiguous at the moment.

Azincourt
Azincourt (@guest_792380)
3 months ago
Reply to  Animal

She did . Majestic view on the Solent webcam as she passed the IoW .

Tommo
Tommo (@guest_792314)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank

Looks like She’s Steady as you Go 1300hrs departure she’s moving

Frank62
Frank62 (@guest_792290)
3 months ago

Monday 12.23pm Tugs at ready, radars rotating, undocking soon.

Tommo
Tommo (@guest_792316)
3 months ago

Stand down they’ve found the Key 🔑 just in time for a delayed departure 1300hrs

Frank
Frank (@guest_792323)
3 months ago
Reply to  Tommo

No, I’m happy to report that the Prince of Wales has just been Tugged off the wall and is currently being turned into the wind….. or something like that anyway…. bloody Web Cams !…… were you ever a Rear Gunner Mate…. just asking ?

Tommo
Tommo (@guest_792328)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank

A gunner yes but not a Web cam Aimer my heads getting dizzy with the Warrior cam handling its on Auto just as you get into focus it rotates

Frank
Frank (@guest_792360)
3 months ago
Reply to  Tommo

Netley Cam is steadier….

Tommo
Tommo (@guest_792371)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank

Netley once the RNs drink tank unit for those with a bad consumption of the TOT

Frank62
Frank62 (@guest_792346)
3 months ago

HMS POW? That ship has finally sailed. Not a phalanx aboard as far as I could tell from the webcam.

Frank
Frank (@guest_792369)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank62

Don’t worry, I’m sure the Wildcats can cope !….. so good to see her finally leave though, for a moment, I thought the Tugs were taking her over to HMS Montrose….. I had images of Intrepid and Fearless !!!!

Tommo
Tommo (@guest_792568)
3 months ago
Reply to  Frank62

No Phalanx FFBNW