HMS Queen Elizabeth has started having her Phalanx Close-In Weapons Systems (CIWS) fitted.

The Phalanx Close-In Weapons System is designed for use as an anti-aircraft and anti-missile defence, the vessel also carries 30mm Automated Small Calibre Guns and Miniguns for use against fast attack craft.

The system is radar-controlled and is said to provide a “last chance” defence for ships against anti-ship missiles and aircraft. It automatically detects, tracks and engages threats. It features a 20mm M-61A1cannon, search and track radar and FLIR in the Block 1B model. To date, the United States Navy and 20 other nations have purchased more than 850 Phalanx systems.


HMS Queen Elizabeth returned to Portsmouth last year after completing a number of firsts for the ship, notably F-35 trials.

The Royal Navy said in a release that during the Development Trials, F-35 jets conducted 202 takeoffs from the ship’s ski ramp, 187 vertical landings, and 15 shipborne vertical landings —a landing technique unique to the UK. They also dropped 54 inert bombs, testing the weight loading in a variety of weather conditions and sea states. The operating envelopes will be further expanded during Operational Trials, scheduled for next year.

F-35B jets on HMS Queen Elizabeth.

Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson said:

“HMS Queen Elizabeth’s inaugural deployment to the US has not only marked the return of the Royal Navy’s carrier strike capabilities, but also strengthened our special relationship with US forces. A true statement of our global reach and power, this ship will serve the United Kingdom for generations to come, keeping the nation safe and supporting our allies as we navigate increasing threats.”

FILE PHOTO: F-35B on HMS Queen Elizabeth.

Captain Nick Cooke Priest summed up the deployment, saying:

“The WESTLANT 18 deployment has been a real success; and let’s not forget that we are just a year on from the Ship being commissioned and accepted into service.

The main effort – Fixed Wing Flying trials have delivered outstanding results, which is testament to the co-operation, hard work and dedication of both the Ship’s Company and the US Integrated Test Force, assisted by the US Navy and US Marine Corps.

Their combined efforts have put us in an excellent starting position for next year’s Operational Testing. The Ship has proudly flown the flag for the UK across the Atlantic.”

American MV-22B lands on HMS Queen Elizabeth.

Commander Air onboard, Commander James Blackmore oversaw the flight trials and said:

“Since the ship sailed from build only 17 months ago we have operated Fixed Wing – most notably the F-35B – Rotary Wing and the Tilt Rotor MV-22 Osprey – 9 different aircraft types in all. We have proved the incredible design of the Queen Elizabeth Class of ship and the partnership with the F-35B.

In that combination, we have something very special that will provide significant operational capability for decades to come, strategic choice for our government and a Task Group focus for the Royal Navy; we are truly back in the Super Carrier era.”

Commander Nathan Gray RN makes the first ever F-35B Lightning II jet take off from HMS Queen Elizabeth.

The deployment was also the first for the reformed UK Carrier Strike Group staff according to a Royal Navy news release, headed up by Cdre Michael Utley, who said:

“This has been an extraordinarily successful deployment on the Royal Navy’s journey to full Carrier Strike capability. It has once again demonstrated the strongest of relationships with our closest allies in the US and will underpin future work as we re-introduce fixed wing aviation at sea.

The design of HMS Queen Elizabeth, specifically built for the immensely capable F-35B Lightning II, has enabled outstanding progress which will form the basis of Operational Testing in 2019.

The other Task Group units deployed, including HMS Monmouth, our new Royal Fleet Auxiliary Tanker RFA Tidespring and the Merlin Helicopters from 820 and 845 Naval Air Squadrons, as well as Royal Marines and members from our sister Services, have all contributed to this significant success.”

The Task Group comprised HMS Queen Elizabeth, HMS Monmouth, RFA Tidespring and aircraft from 820, 845 and 814 Naval Air Squadrons, as well as Royal Marines from 42 Commando and supporting units from the US Navy and US Marine Corps, say the Royal Navy.

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Daniele Mandelli

Cue meltdown on UKDJ!

An emotive subject for many for months.

Gunbuster

Snigger…

MattW

Why not Goalkeeper system, isn’t that the better all rounder of the two?

Daniele Mandelli

This has been covered on here before by Gunbuster.

Phalanx is bolted on where’s Goalkeeper needs to penetrate the deck.

MattW

Ahh thank you 🙂

(I had assumed it was down to cost and the UK being cheap)

That’s the real driver. These will be plugged into ‘spots’ ready prepared for them. As well as power points there will be some plumbing for water for cooling too. ‘Deck penetration’ shouldn’t be a problem on a brand new design of such a size.

Phalanx is a minimum. Something over 30mm would be preferable.

Really? The end effect of a tungsten sabot dart on a missile is not that different between 20mm and 30mm. The muzzle velocity of the Vulcan 20mm is virtually the same as the Avenger. Phalanx has more ammunition to fire off. Vulcan also has a higher cyclical rate. The engagement range is slightly further out for Goalkeeper but against a sea skimmer when you are at 3,500 meters vs 2,600 it is brown trousers time any which way you look at it. Goalkeeper has fallen behind the curve, is hasn’t had the same investment Phalanx has over the last couple… Read more »

SiP

GLKR was removed from service a few yrs back when LUST was decommissioned. Now, Commonality prevails! T45, LPH, QEC plus future fits to T26, poss T31? it enables the dustribution of trained Engineers, require one training stream for the RN.

John Hampson

I fully admit I am no expert at all. But it appears to this ignorant observer that the Phalanx is on the verge of obsolesence. Against a Brahmos 11 or other hypersonic ASM, Phalanx may only place 50 to100 projectiles in the knock down zone, against a jinking target travelling at 1 mile a second. Would a twin gun 57mm or 76 mm turret system have more chance, firing smart munitions saturating a kill zone with pre fragmented air bursts?

Liamski

Phalanx is not obsolete against lower end threats which it may well still face for years to come. As for hypersonic weapons I suspect, for the time being, the best we can hope for is that the RN has invested in good EW systems a la the new block 2 AN/SLQ-32(V)6 used by the USN.

JohnHartley

There have been proposals to change calibre from 20 to 25mm. Sadly, they went nowhere.
I do wish QE/PoW would get an anti torpedo system.

SiP

It has/Will SSTD 2170

Jack

50 phalanx systems are being upgraded for UK service. I would imagine that all the navies, including the USN who use phalanx are still happy with the system.

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/196186/us-clears-phalanx-upgrade%2C-mini_submarine-sale-to-uk.html

csm

There’s a limit to the effectiveness of using bullets/shells, a larger calibre with smart munitions would undoubtedly be better than the current Phalanx, but then you might as well just have point defence missiles. The next step will be lasers, have a look at the UK dragonfire consortium or the USS Ponce testing in the US.

Even “if” a hypersonic missile has the capability of jinking, it will still be heading directly for the ship in an ever decreasing cone. The Phalanx 1B fires 75 tungsten (depleted uranium) rounds a second in a tight pattern out to an effective range of let’s say 2km. At this point, the incoming missile cannot do a lot of jinking manoeuvres this close to the ship, because there is a chance it will miss the target. The Phalanx will put a stream of tungsten in its path and the collision speeds will be immense. The tungsten rounds would probably pass… Read more »

John Hampson

DaveyB. I agree with everything you have said but there is one serious ommission. The stream of projectiles will certainly be effective in a direct line. However an incoming Brahmos 11 will, unless flying right down the throat of the CIWS, will be at a changing angle to the line of fire. At 2000 meters the insection angle of missle and projectiles would be about 3deg. At 600 meteres the intersection angle would be about 11deg. So a missile would not be travelling down the stream but it would be passing across the stream. This means that if the CIWS… Read more »

Trevor G

Indeed. Isn’t that why the RN generally chooses to place the CIWS P & S approximately amidships, i.e. at the centre of the radar return, thereby minimising the intersection angle. Unlike various other navies (who don’t have the combat experience) who place them on the centreline fore & aft.

Gunbuster

Phalanx tracks the target and the fired rounds. It alters the aim point to bring the rounds onto the target. A changing profile is not an issue. On a multi mount fit all of the mountings are networked and “talk” with the threat analysis algorithms assessing which mount has the best hit chance and allocating it accordingly, all automatically with no hands on. The hit/kill probability is calculated for the CIWS I have worked on by the number of rounds you can get within a set area centred around the target. The mount will fire until it achieves this .… Read more »

DaveyB

Hi John, I agree. I was trying to make it as simple as possible with the ship not manoeuvring and being attacked from abeam of the ship and therefore not using trigonometry and deflection angles to get the point across. When active a Brahmos missile will have a lot reflective scatter from abeam of the QE to lock on to due the ships size. Therefore, it is critical that Phalanx are placed to cover this large side area. The standard Brahmos travels nearly at Mach 3 (@20C @Sea Level) which is 3704kph, The next generation of Brahmos is reputed to… Read more »

Gunbuster

You dont Jink at hypersonic or near hypersonic speeds.
You do that and you miss.
The flight control system cannot respond quickly enough to the attitude change of the target.

John Hampson

To all I regret using the word jink. It did seem that there was no scope for a hypersonic missile to do this in a terminal phase. Subsonic yes. It was from a report Defence News. However, given the times involved I still think the Phalanx simply cannot be relied on to deliver the required number of projectiles at the place in time required. It would not be surprise if the seekers on possible hostile missile are being programmed to avoid flying directly into the line of fire of a CIWS. Alternatively one fractional a change of direction for the… Read more »

Gunbuster

16 missiles mean nothing …they are just decoration if you dont have over the horizon targeting.
If you cannot find the target in the first place then its a big assed ocean to fire blindly into. The best practise is to kill the shooter , or its mid course guidance source before the missiles are shot. To do that the F35 will be used way before you get into AAW , soft and hard kill territory .

Jack

The Royal Navy have a very capable anti torpedo self defence system.
SSTD.
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/52113/royal-navy-introduces-anti_torpedo-system-(jan.-28).html

4500 r/p/m is impressive but does anyone know the magazine size? And for how long these can keep firing before they melt

Jonathan

Let’s be honest, QE has the best air defences money can buy and it’s got nothing to do with 3 little “when all else fails” guns. QEs will live or die on how effectively it’s escorts and air wing works, that’s where the money and thought needs to go, not slightly better last ditch guns, because if a QE needs to lean on them it’s all probably got to the point where the carriers going to end up a mission kill and not be able to complete its mission. Stopping a threat getting close is what’s needed not letting it… Read more »

Rob

Completely rational and logical argument – please stop it as that has no place in the UKDJ comments section!

captain P Wash.

Yup, You pretty much nailed it there mate.

Well said.

Finally, a well informed observer, gents take note.

captain P Wash.

An Emotive subject much covered here and elsewhere over the years together with, “What Aircraft” and “Should have had Cat’s and Trap’s” and, “Should have Kept the Harriers”
What we actually have Is a “Layered Defence” including Subs, F35b’s, Type 45’s, type 23’s/26’s Merlin’s and Wildcat’s. Each of these have their own Defensive weapons, not forgetting Radar and other systems and from what I can tell, there would be one hell of a fight to get anywhere near one of the Carriers, all things considered.
Or that’s what the MOD believe.

Still no progress on a buddy system for air to air refuelling for naval F35 aircraft. These are expensive aircraft to lose for lack of such a basic need. They cannot just divert to the nearest airfield.
Can the tiltrotor fly fast enough to allow an F35 to accept and transfer fuel from the donor aircraft?

Robert, point of order. The RN have not been particularly good at defending their ships since about 1915. A painful lesson has to be learned every generation or so

Land Ceptor on the flight deck would be a nightmare. Apart from a collision hazard, every time you launched you’d have to carry out a fod check.

Paul T

Gavin Gordon – surely the inconvenience of a ‘Fod Plod’ would be preferable to a Sinking Carrier ?

TH

I remember when it was not the done thing to call the three Invincible class ‘carriers’ but ‘through deck cruisers’ and they had Sea Dart launchers for’d. That was later replaced by 3 Phalanx or Goalkeepers and a couple of 20mm AA. A bit more effective than the old beam riding ‘Sea Slug’ on board the Counties, eh captain P Wash? Do you remeber those beasts? Memories of the old Bristol too. Now alongside and an engineless floating classroom hulk but she was the lead in for the ‘Sea Dart’. The Type 82s would have made fine escorts for the… Read more »

captain P Wash.

I Think you are still an Idiot !!!!!

But, You are on the right track talking about “Through Deck Cruisers “Sea Slug”, the type 82’s and “Sea Darts”.

Makes me wonder why you bother posting all your other Crap ??????

Why not just post stuff that the rest of us do ?

It would be a fair bit nicer If you did,

Seeing as you have so much knowledge that you could share here.

Rather than coming over as just a bit of a Twat.

Paul T

TH -I’m sure you will be aware the term ‘Through Deck Cruiser ‘ was only a smokescreen to get the approval to build them through Parliament yeah ?

TH

Absolutely. I remember it all well.

dan

Wonder why no SeaRAMs?

Not used by the Royal Navy

Andrew R

Good god. Everyone is talking like the carrier will be on its own. The whole point of escort ships is they can provide defence as well.

captain P Wash.

Andrew, Not everyone mate.

Overlapping and mutual supporting arcs of fire are no guarantee than you yourself won’t be shot.

Simon

On the recent documentary the ship’s captain stated aster had a secondary air to ground capability. Considering the Americans have large numbers of cruisers and destroyers and still equip their carriers with Searam I don’t think anyone who suggests that missiles on carriers maybe good idea can be called an ill-informed observer. Considering few ceaceptor is not only air to air but has anti FIAC capability as well. Our escort numbers will be low, f35 numbers are going to be low for sometime and thanks to retirement of ocean could consist of a helicopter TAG. I understand that phalanx can… Read more »

Josh

The US doesn’t use SeaRAM all that widely. Only the LCS and a few Burkes use it. The carriers and amphibious vessels all use RAM out of the 21-cell Mk49 and the rest of the Burkes have Phalanx. Their new frigate won’t have SeaRAM either, it will have the MK49 launcher. If the QE was to get RAM the standard launcher would be better than SeaRAM, but that seems unlikely. They won’t buy RAM for just two ships. A better option if they were to add missiles would be Sylver carrying Aster 15, it’d be better as far as supply… Read more »

Paul T

Josh – the French CDG has indeed got Sylver/Aster15 which is very capable but to me Sea Ceptor is the perfect system for our 2 Carriers,its modular,is already integrated with the Radar Systems,its Cold Launched (less debris etc) has similar range to Aster 15 but is supposed to be substantially cheaper,plus an ER version is in development so it has an obvious upgrade path.

Sean

Rather than add further air defences to the carriers I would be more interested in improving the capacity of our specialist T45 air-defence destroyers. I’d assume that the carriers will always be sailing with at least one in attendance. The only thing lacking with the T45 (once the power issues are resolved) is the number of missiles carried. The RN is moving towards standardising on the 5” gun beginning with the T26s, but I believe it was always intended to upgrade the T45’s to this too, from their current 4.5” gun. With the new HVP projectile being developed by BAE… Read more »

Julian

Good point. I wasn’t aware of that upcoming 5” HVP option. The possibility of finally using that FFBNW Mk41 space shouldn’t be ignored either. Since we only have 6 T45 giving only 2 or maybe at best 3 likely to be deployable at any given time I can imagine that they are pretty much always going to be in a dedicated AAW escort role so I’m less focussed than some on actually getting Mk41 in there but with budgets so tight using that space for SeaCeptor cold launch could add significant extra missile capacity at much less cost than Mk41… Read more »

Paul T

Sean/Julian – its interesting that the French Navy has supplemented their Horizon Class Ships with a Mistral CIWS System Launcher on top of their Hangars.

Toom

Am new to this so please be gentle on me.
If it’s so well protected by the battle group, why bother with CIWS ?
Am guessing for leakers through the defensive network which is possible with a coordinated attack, this is money orientated, earlier designs did have missile systems planned and with the cost of the carriers, crew and aircraft, I am sure the Navy would prefer missiles as well.

@ Fedaykin

Yes really. 30mm and above allows for more options such as proximate fuses etc. And there are other systems available not just Goalkeeper.

Nick Bowman

Take a look at the anti-aircraft armament of WW2 carriers and battleships pre-war and compare that to their 1945 configurations. Most that survived the war had at least double the number of AA guns by the end. Then consider the AA build of U.K. warships pre- and post- Falklands. There is a clear tendency to under-estimate the importance of point defence until major conflict erupts. I, for one, am convinced that the carriers need Sea Ceptor and possibly more Phalanx or laser-CIWS systems. Take a look at US carriers. All have missiles and guns.

P tattersall

Obviously the R N knows what weapons the ship requires ! Or should they ask the experts on this site ?

Nigel Collins

Or, is it a question of the RN knows what weapons the ship requires with the funds they have available?

Paul T

Nigel – indeed that’s probably nearer the truth,the ideal Weapons fit is say X,Y and Z,but the Budget available only provides for X.

Nick Bowman. The reason post-war ships have looked empty of armament is two fold. First the huge growth in radars and ECM kit taking up a lot of the top weight. Second most if not all weapons during WW2 were Mk1 eyeball point and shoot where as newer weapons have been radar guided and controlled. Hope that answers your point.

Yes. Precision guidance now means we don’t need weight of fire. Even with that RN ships have been under armed. You can point to EW yes, but the idea is an armed force inflicts harm on the enemy not just neutralises their weapons. The RN probably dumped too many simpler systems for modern wizardry instead of keeping the former (sunk costs) alongside the latter for ‘just in case’ scenarios that never occur…… There is a ‘story’ about USN commander who visited a Type 42 when they were still a new class. After being shown all the EW wizardry the gentleman… Read more »

Bless you would think so wouldn’t you? But the answer might shock you. And tax payers have a right to discuss how taxes are used.

Jonathan

Indeed they do and should, trouble is most taxpayers don’t bother or just form a fixed view based on what a journalist tells them.

Personally I think sufferage should come with a basic requirement to at least understand bias and credibility of sources, otherwise democracy runs an inherent risk of being subverted especially in the age of information.

Sandy

First post so be gentle. I thought some Russian anti ship missiles climbed high at the last minute
and would hit the ship from above, are RN systems capable of combating this sort of attack?
Cheers

Julian

If we were to ever look at upgrading the RN’s standard CIWS fit would it make any sense to look at Thales’ RapidFire system? It uses the 40mm CTAS which from this write up (https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/cased-telescoped-armament-system/) looks a heck of a lot better than the DS30 and has selectable ammo natures including an airburst option optimised for anti-air. The Thales system says it can hook up to 6 of these into an integrated system and also integrate StarStreak as well. If an equivalent of the MSI 30mm Sigma mount (the one that adds LMM to a DS30) could be created for… Read more »

Julian

Here’s the link to Thales RapidFire. Didn’t want to put 2 links in my first post for fear of it being flagged for moderation…

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/worldwide/defence/rapidfire

There are a few similar systems out there. Another example is the Rheinmetall Oerlikon Millennium Gun. Weighs 3,200kg (less than Phalanx) and needs 6 square meters of deck, doesn’t penetrate the deck, and only needs power (no water for cooling). It does need FC, but not having that all in as it were may be benefit.

Daniele Mandelli

Thank you.

Paul T. Agree with Sea Ceptor (and ideally a 4th Phalanx, as it happens) since would be mounted off the flight deck, no doubt. Land Ceptor seems ‘easy’ but also panic mode. Perhaps not nightmare but would add significant complications to primary ops.

Surely another consideration is that the carriers may be part of amphibious landings? Being close to shore would bring them close to a whole range of different threats and should be armed appropriately to defend and to shoot back. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think they should be used in this role, and believe we should have sufficient high end escorts to defend them and dedicated landing ships. But any ship going close to shore (particularly with our low escort numbers) should be able to carry out shore bombardment and take out a range of Asm’s and shells for… Read more »

No. That’s what helicopters are for. That is the whole reason behind heliborne operations that the ship doesn’t close the coast. That is why the RN needs a class of big dock ship to replace the Albions so we can have a class of OTH ship to shore connectors.

Daniele Mandelli

Out of interest.

How many CIWS do the US carriers have?

4.

Josh

Depends on what you mean by CIWS. Nimitz and Eisenhower were originally retrofit with three Phalanx while carriers from Vinson onwards came with four. Pretty sure all of the Nimitz carriers are down to three Phalanx now however as one was removed to make way for RAM. All of them have two RAM launchers and 2 MK29 launchers for firing RIM-7P/ESSM. They also all had 4 MK99 illuminators for missile guidance for the sparrows, but it seems now that this is being reduced to two in refits. I guess ESSM Block II is the reason for that, though they can… Read more »

I would seriously question the accuracy of these so called Russian ‘Hypersonic anti ship missiles ‘ this is a Navy that needs a tug fleet as large as it’s combat fleet, there hypersonic missiles might hit something in the Atlantic ocean, maybe Greenland.

Pete

Issue for me is threat of submarine launched cruise missile from well within the outer layers of defence and coming in volleys. Multiple targets closing fast. Can current CIWS strategy of 1 x unit in 1 x direction truly cope?

Steve

The comments about trust the navy to know how to defend its assets kinda miss the reality check. Given bottomless budgets and then I’m sure it’s true but with the significantly limited one, they have to decide and balance between raw numbers and capability. The original design for the QE included a lot more defensive capabilities including improved armour and missile defence but this was all cut to keep cost down. The same issue happened in Falklands, they cut corners on not buying ground tracking radars even though they knew the risks and same with the loss of the air… Read more »

If if they are used for a major war then all sorts of toys will appear out of the locker. The best defence for the carrier is it’s air wing, and the billion pound destroyer doing it’s job that is was designed for. 3 phalanx isn’t the only defence the ship has , they are equipped with chaff & flares, just like a fast jet, and a massive electronic warfare suit, with active and passive jamming. AEW aircraft, CAP patrols, Astute class providing ASW ring, nothing will move within 500 miles of that ship without them knowing about it. And… Read more »

Steve

Hopefully we will never find out. Equally though untested military tech has a bad habit of not working as advertised. Think patriot on iraq1 or the us missile defence on the ship saved by the royal navy one, and so many other cases. It’s not in the interest of either side to exposure weaknesses, the attacker will keep it quiet so they can exploit if needed and the defender will keep it quiet so attackers don’t exploit. There is also the polictical side of top bass not wanting to admit they can’t afford required gear or that the expensive tech… Read more »

re comments by Paul T that Sea Dart downed a Sea Wolf whilst engaging an Exocet v Conveyor. I think this is a myth. Whilst in the RN I conducted a study about the effectiveness of AA weaponry and was part of one of the first Falkland case studies rolled out at Staff level. part of this work involved access to recorded ships screen plots and telemetry data. The scenario with Atlantic Conveyor was quite clear cut, she was hit by an Exocet which was partly deflected mid course by Chaff, there were no Ses Wolf connected engagements. There is… Read more »

Jonathan

Basil interesting, I’d not heard of seawolf being part of the Atlantic conveyer engagement either. The difference in the type 2022 vs the 965P is interesting, although It made no difference as far as I understand it to the 100feet min engagement envelope, any form sea skimming engagement had to wait until the Mod1 missile in 83. I think fact the RN was still using the Mod 0 sea-dart was a failure of the MOD to keep our AAW escorts upto date at the time.but I’m not sure even the best of early 80s air defence missiles could have done… Read more »

Quite correct, the Argentinian aircraft were operating at the extreme limits of their range when carrying weapons, hence they couldn’t loiter or risk air to air engagements. They certainly had the advantage of knowing SD operating parameters and also some understanding of type 965 radar coverage, however they were completely unprepared for the Sea Harrier which became thier main concern. They quickly hampered thier position by jettisoning the majority of their over load fuel tanks when any air threat appeared in the first week, his added to range issues. Likewise if the type 42/22 combo had been allowed to operate… Read more »

Paul T

Basil – the Seadart versus Seawolf story came from something in print that I read,obviously in the days before the internet such information was much harder to come by.I am blessed with a good memory (alledgedly) have done some thinking and have narrowed the source of my story to two places,the first could have been in the excellent book on the Falklands War by Max Hastings,i have a copy somewhere but have not had time to check,the second possible source was from a military Journal I was subscribed to at the time,either World Airpower Journal or an offshoot of it… Read more »

Gunbuster

The Coventry cutting across Broadsword is true. there is a video of it I watched many years ago whilst doing a Seawolf course that was taken via the TV sytem fitted to the 910 trackers..

IKnowNothing

IF (yes big if I know) we get through the next decade without needing to fire any of these things, then laser defences look set to be getting installed. No idea how the maths works for one of those. They might be more accurate but how long will they need to get enough energy into the target, especially if its a hypersonic missile and will they have time given the really short engagement envelopes being discussed? Oh – also – hypersonic is great if you are pointing at the correct target from a long way out. Decoys could really ruin… Read more »

Brahmos and other long range anti ship missiles rely on third party targeting information from satellites, maritime surveillance aircraft, subs etc. They will use an inertial navigation system to get them to roughly the area of the target; then rely on the missile’s active radar to find the target. Missile’s like Brahmos use a simple pulse doppler active radar, it doesn’t have sophisticated target recognition, so will most likely fly towards the largest reflection. This means that it could be defeated with simple jamming or chaff. It does not have a data link for mid course corrections, so it is… Read more »

P tattersall

The F 35 can more than defend any ship .

Rob N

I know the F35 has got a bad press in some areas. However our ones will have Meteor AAMs to defend the fleet. Also the CBG will probably have satelite/persistant cover. The T45 perhaps with an updated ASTER down the line. The T23/T26 frigates for ghe first time have an area defence SAM Sea Ceptor. So in many ways the QE is the best protected CV the RN has ever opperated. Rob N P.S. why is Sea Ram being put up as such a great system it is much less capable then Sea Ceptor. If you are going to stick… Read more »

P tattersall

Yes bad press from russian trolls ! They forget to mention the F35 regularly defeats the s200 and 300 over Syria the Isreal air force using the F 35 ruling the skies over Syria with ease .

SeaRAM or RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile uses the airframe and seeker from the AIM-9 Sidewinder. It is meant as replacement for the Phalanx and has a published engagement range of 9km. It is not in the same league as Sea Ceptor as it is a point defence weapon not a local area defence weapon. Kinematic-ally it is slower and has less mass than the SeaCeptor, so in some tests required two missiles to takeout an incoming threat. The SeaRAM uses the two radars and the optics from the block 1B phalanx. It is a bolt on plug and play system… Read more »

Thanks for your reply Paul T, hopefully I didn’t come over as being critical of yourself, not the case. Interestingly much has been written about the Falklands, alas quite a bit is inaccurate and bias, one only has to read 100 Days, Hostile Skies and Sea Harrier over the Falklands to see three varying versions of the Air war. You are quite correct that Invincible fired a Ripple of six Sea Darts, this action caused much confusion to the air picture. Sea Wolf proved itself when in perfect operating parameters, the addition of multiple targets, fading radar contact and a… Read more »

Gunbuster

The Seawolf system had issues with the software that when exploited caused the trackers to reset. This was in Auto mode. if you took the system into manual, the trackers stayed on the target. Less than six months after the war, on the Aberporth ranges off Wales,an exocet fired by HMS Jupiter was downed by 2 seawolf fired by HMS Brilliant. In addition a large number of software patches where tested to ensure the lessons learned wherein place in the tracker operating systems. You still needed to engage low level targets in TV mode as the Trackers radar A had… Read more »

Colin

These carriers should be fitted with SeaRam