HMS Queen Elizabeth will sail in late summer for the eastern seaboard of the US, say the Ministry of Defence.

The Ministry of Defence say that whilst in the Washington area the carrier will host the Atlantic Future Forum, which aims at ‘bringing the US and UK industry and military together to address the changing nature of warfare and shared threats both allies face at home and abroad’.

F-35B jets on HMS Queen Elizabeth.

Defence Secretary Penny Mordaunt said:

“HMS Queen Elizabeth represents the best of British innovation and is a true embodiment of our international ambition. The fact that this important ship will have visited the US twice within her short service thus far is testament to our enduring transatlantic defence relationship.

In the week that we commemorate the 75th anniversary of the D-Day landings it is only right that we continue to look at how we can deepen our global partnerships to promote peace and deter future conflict.”

F-35Bs on HMS Queen Elizabeth.

The deployment ‘WESTLANT 19’, will see HMS Queen Elizabeth and her crew conduct vital deck and warfare trials with British F-35 jets from 17 Test and Evaluation Squadron based in the USA and 617 Squadron based at RAF Marham, as well rotary wing training with Merlin and Wildcat helicopters, added the MoD in a release.

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JohnHartley
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The Times, today, has an article moaning about the F-35. Nothing new, just what is already known about the spares shortage issue. It did not say it by name, but its other moan must have meant the ALIS.
My own view, is that the F-35 will become a great fighter in the end, but it is having more than its share of development/introduction issues.

John Hampson
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John Hampson

The F-35 will never be able to overcome its inherent weakness, its limited internal weapons load. It will always have to choose between acting as the eyes and ears operating in tandem with a bomb/missile truck or abandoning its stealth to carry a significant weapon load out using external pylons. Even in stealth mode as it reveals its presence with the first shot. So it must then manoeuvre to avoid getting itself into a dogfight which it would probably lose. There will never be sufficient numbers to overcome its limitations. So if it is limited in peer to peer engagements… Read more »

Cam
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Cam

Yeah but typhoon and almost all other jets on earth have external mounting points…. And we British will be able to have external weapons on our F35 if we fight against the other 98% of the world that don’t have stealth aircraft…. duh

Trevor
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Trevor

Indeed

andy reeves
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andy reeves

typhoon should have included a vstol version.

Dave
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Dave

LOL

Lee1
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Lee1

It has proven over and over again that it is no slouch in the dog fighting department. Plus it should never get to that point as its sensor suite enables it to fight from a distance. It also has more than its shape and coating in relation to stealth. It has some of the most advance radar jamming equipment in existence and so can mask itself quite effectively even when launching weapons. You also seem to misunderstand stealth. It will not reveal its existence by opening its weapons bays as its existence will already be know. However knowing where it… Read more »

DaveyB
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DaveyB

This is one of the reasons it has been flying in pairs with Typhoons. The F35 being the eyes for the Typhoon, scouting far ahead. Giving targeting and mid-course correction information for its Meteors. Especially as the Typhoon can carry at least 8 Meteors. The idea being the F35 does not use any of its weapons, but uses the Typhoon’s instead. Our F35Bs will be carrying the ASRAAM, this has double the range of the Sidewinder of equivalent AA11 Archer missiles. The idea being the F35B “should” never get in the opponent aircraft’s short range missile envelope. It can fire… Read more »

geoff
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geoff

Her STOVL ability is a greatly underestimated plus DaveyB and is unmatched by any other aircraft in the world

andy reeves
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andy reeves

i see the u.s has built a f 22 raptor VERTICAL TAKE OFF AND LANDING AIRCRAFT GOOGLE F22 JUMP JET

Dave
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Dave

And which planet do you live on Andy?

John Hampson
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John Hampson

A couple of points. Even if the F-35 is used as the eyes and ears role this would be result in deminishing returns. As soon as the F-35 transmits to Typhoons or to Meteors its EM emissions light up its position. The F-35 is not invisible. It is a low observable aircraft. Once it reveals its presence the task of tracking it is eased. I understand that the F-35 can only carry 2 Meteors internally (Meteors are too big for secondary internal hard points) and 2 ASSRAM. Not much to go up against an opponent with a reasonable air force.… Read more »

Lee1
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Lee1

No one advertised the F35 as Cheap…. And you utterly misunderstand pretty much everything about military aircraft. Stealth is indeed low-observable. However many radars can easily see them and give positions on them. They are only low observable to specific radar wavelengths. Those wave lengths are the ones used for targeting. If you can’t target the aircraft then you can not shoot it down with radar guided missiles. It also has all sorts of advanced radar jammers, laser jammers and heat seeking decoys etc. It also should never get close enough to dogfight as something has gone very wrong if… Read more »

John Hampson
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John Hampson

1 Cheap. The F-35 grew out of a program initially named “ Common AFFORDABLE Lightweight Fighter”. The objective was to develop a CHEAP fighter to support the F22 program whose unit cost had grown to such an extent that the F22 program was eventually shut down mainly because costs had become unacceptable. 2. I am not disputing the capability of the F-35 to collect and process data. Nor did I dispute that the F-35 is difficult detect with, C, X or Ku bands. But when it does emit or increase its RCS ( radar cross section ) it reveals its… Read more »

Lee1
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Lee1

It is possible to run emals on gas turbines. The issue was cost of a complete redesign of the ships. As with the F35s stealth… Again you are totally misunderstanding it. You claim that if it increases its radar cross section momentarily then it suddenly reveals itself… That is not exactly the case. For a start it is just a few seconds, which is not enough for a target acquisition and engagement. Also you are forgetting that part of its stealthiness is the ability to blind radars. If you blind the radar you could have the cross section of an… Read more »

John Hampson
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John Hampson

Lee. I did said stream cats are not possible with GT. EMALS just a matter of providing power not steam/heat. I was not aware that the F-35 could blind radars.

Lee1
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Lee1

And I think that is the issue here. You are rubbishing so etching you know little about.

And sorry I did not see that you mentioned steam. It did not cross my mind as I am pretty sure that the cats were always likely to be electric. However even for electric cars there would have had to be major changes to the structure of the ship as they take up space below that is currently deck space. It would have cost huge amounts.

andy reeves
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andy reeves

BEHAVE YOU PAIR.

andy reeves
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andy reeves

NEITHER OF YOU MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME I STILL ADORE THE SOPWITH CAMEL!!

projon
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projon

Believe the Israelis have proven the effectiveness of the F-35, it’s stealth and fighter/bomber abilities over Syria attacking Iranian terrorist targets.

DaveyB
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DaveyB

John, I clearly cannot dissuade you, but just to clarify. The F16 v F35 dual was done some years ago when the F35’s flight control software limited the aircraft to +5g, so was at a significant disadvantage. Recently in last years Red Flag the F35As had a 17 to 1 kill ratio against F15, F16 and F18s. There hasn’t been any information against Typhoon or F22s. These exercises are the closest you can get to real war scenarios. A lot was said about how crap the Harrier would be in air to air combat, but it proved time and again… Read more »

John Hampson
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John Hampson

DaveyB. The rules of engagement and mission roles for Red Flag have not been released. It has not been confirmed that the F-35’s alone achieved these kill ratio’s Last year it was 20:1 but again I am not aware that the kills were solely attributed to F-35’s. Maybe they were. Just wondering why no headlines boasting of such a apparently fantastic performance when there is so much negative reporting?

DaveyB
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DaveyB

John, I must admit I have some insider information, as I have a number of friends on the OEU in the States. I am not sure why the overwhelming success on Red Flag hasn’t been promoted, but nonetheless its true. If you’re interested try this link – bit of a sales pitch, but has some good info. https://www.f35.com As recently as two years ago project Bablefish was conducting trials bewteen F35Bs and Typhoons. The Typhoon only has the Link-16 datalink, whereas the F35 has the Multifunction Advanced Data Link (MADL), this is like comparing 2g to 4g. However, the F35’s… Read more »

John Hampson
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John Hampson

DavyB. You have certainly removed some of my ignorance and concerns. But if the Chinese have developed this M band radar that would have serious consequecies.

David E Flandry
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David E Flandry

So, no boasting implies poor performance. Got it.

Lee1
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Lee1

There are plenty of stories you can find. However the papers will never print positive news as that does not sell papers to the same degree as bad news even if the bad news is effectively made up (Daily Mail ahem…) Don’t base your facts on how often something appears in the news…

David E Flandry
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David E Flandry

The sky is falling! No, just the F-35.

Dave
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Dave

What a load of narrow minded tosh

projon
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projon

The manufacturer has designed an upgrade to the F-35’s internal weapons load, thus increasing the number of weapons in can carry there.

projon
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projon

Agree with your comment. High tech aircraft have many more development problems than those which proceeded them. A perfect example is the V-22, almost dumped during it’s development, due to cost issues, i.e., cost overruns and it’s high cost in aircrew due to crashes. Today however, it is being flown primarily by the USMC and has proved itself in combat. The U.S. Navy is projected to purchase [20] plus, replacing the older C-2 Greyhound for COD duties. The V-22 long with the F-35 will be around for years to come.

Peter Shaw
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Peter Shaw

Great to see the QE carrier and hopefully the PoW will follow soon…What is the progress in the PoW Glad to see also UK government reversed position on Huawei…not surprising really when the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand were clearly unhappy at our former PM May making that dreadful decision.

DaveyB
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DaveyB

It would be interesting to see who was promoting the Huawei 5G deal and why? I’m glad someone has finally seen sense in that there are no parts of a cell network that cannot be subverted.

Daniele Mandelli
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Daniele Mandelli

David Cameron’s ex Civil Service chums, one of whom now works for Huawei UK, according to an article shared on UKDJ by a poster weeks back.

DaveyB
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DaveyB

Typical, I wish there was a method of policing these kind of things.

Daniele Mandelli
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Daniele Mandelli

Absolutely! Happens in defence too though doesn’t it. Self interest. Retired officers joining the boards of the Military Industrial Complex companies and pushing their wares.

Why should some Civil Servants not have their noses in the trough like many MP’s.

Daniele Mandelli
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Daniele Mandelli

Great if that is confirmed but looking I can only see suggestions from the Home and Foreign Secretaries that they would reverse IF they are PM.

Nothing official I can see sadly.

Chris H
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Chris H

Excuse me being flippant but would that ‘port near Washington DC’ be Baltimore? And if so will QE sail there with a humongous great Union Flag as a battle pennant at her masthead? …

For those wondering: War of 1812 and Baltimore where the words of ‘Stars & Stripes’ were written before being set to a Royal Navy drinking song …. Oh the irony!

Spyinthesky
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Spyinthesky

Yes I always found that funny. Our anthem also is from an old drinking song too of course. Weirder still was watching my local Morris men performing to what I always thought were Confederate war songs but now know better.

Chris H
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Chris H

The USA has had (I believe) 5 anthems. Stars & Stripes was formally recognised in 1931 but for the previous 100 years they had another: “America” (My Country, Tis of Thee). Sung to guess what tune? ‘God Save our Gracious King / Queen.’ Although we stole that as you say from the Germans as it was ‘God save Saxony’!

Pair of thieves really mate ….Lol

pkcasimir
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pkcasimir

You believe wrongly. The US had no official national anthem until 1931 when “The Star Spangled Banner”, not “Stars and Stripes” was recognized as the official national anthem. “My Country Tis of Thee” was never the official US anthem. Although it was sung, “Hail Columbia” was just as often sung.

Chris H
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Chris H

@pkcasimir – Sorry I was using the term ‘Stars & Stripes’ to mean “The Star Spangled Banner” as I have heard Americans use it. My mistake, I should have been more accurate and I apologise. But I think my main point (which was started as a bit of fun btw) still stands. Yes in law 1931 marked the first US National Anthem (and as I said ‘was formally recognised in 1931’) which is remarkable given that infers that for some 155 years one of the most frenetically patriotic countries didn’t have one. Well hence my point. And as the late… Read more »

pkcasimir
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pkcasimir

I am also old enough to remember Alistair Cooke, more so for his introductions of British dramas on PBS than his Letters. Cooke had a love of America but unfortunately he had very little knowledge of the US beyond the Appalachian mountains and I would take his observations about America with that understanding in mind. Up until the Civil War, loyalty was to the State more so than the Federal Government. Americans identified themselves first as Virginians, etc. It wasn’t until the Spanish American War that the nation started to coalesce into American first. That was accelerated by the US’s… Read more »

Chris H
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Chris H

@pkcasimir – On a tangent I never understood the justification for why the Americans call the championship of a game no other country plays as ‘The World Series’. And when US Service people i worked with were sent home they called it ‘going back to the world’.

pkcasimir
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pkcasimir

Here is the best explanation I have come across. “For many years, it was believed that the name came from the fact that the original series was sponsored by the New York World Telegram newspaper, thus becoming known as the ‘World’s Series’. However, popular as this explanation may be, it’s not actually true and although the newspaper did report the results of the games, it had nothing to do with the naming of the competition. The real reason behind the name is thanks to Barney Dreyfuss who was the owner of the Pittsburgh Pirates. In 1903, he wrote to the… Read more »

Rokuth
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Rokuth

“… of a game no other country plays…”

Actually Baseball is quite popular in many Latin American countries. Quite a few MLB players come from these countries.

Baseball is also quite popular in Japan as well as South Korea. It is seeing a resurgence in popularity in the Philippines as well. Even Australia has a Baseball League.

John Stevenson
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John Stevenson

So HMSQE will have visited the USA twice when she hasn’t been to Birmingham once? I’m disgusted what are my taxes paying for?

geoff
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geoff

The docking facilities on the East coast of the USA are easier to navigate than those in Birmingham John..(so I have heard)

Lee1
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Lee1

We have a first rate canal system. But yes we might need to upgrade a few of the locks…

andy reeves
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andy reeves

AND DO A LOT OF DREDGING

Subatomic
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Subatomic

It has a lowerable mast for the bridges though.