Easier just to keep the war going until Putin is dead and Russia actually wants peace or it breaks apart.
If Donald Trump wants to be the peace maker and get a Noble Prize let America make guarantees.
Under no circumstances should the UK be guaranteeing Ukraine’s borders. Promises from France, Italy and Germany are worthless and most Eastern European nations are about the same. Words are wind to most of these countries.
The UK along with the JEF countries would end up being the only countries that actually stepped up any maybe Australia and a few others would come to our aid but that would be it.
Much better to just keep cutting down the Russian male population and what’s left of their Soviet era armaments in the meat grinder until Russia collapses and breaks apart then we can pick off the good bits.
Even in NATO which is the world strongest alliance we don’t actually make any guarantees juts a right to consult and provide unspecified assistance.
I don’t think we have actually guaranteed any boarders since 1939 and for good reason.
Jim, Putin might live to the same age as his parents (87, 88), so the war would go on to about 2040…unless you are suggesting that he might die prematurely?
I hate to say this, but If Russia wins, it will fight more wars in the future and more people will die than if this war continues until Russia collapsed. Also where Russia leads others will follow. And right now we can’t rule out the US in that. National sovereignty can’t be allowed to give way to regional hegemony.
The trouble is Ukraine is suffering and losing young men and women too. Sooner or later they will have to draft the under 25s if this carries on.
Russia will stay on a war footing to build its forces. Give it 2 or 3 years and they’ll be ready to go again, certainly in terms of equipment, if not personnel. That’s a risk Ukraine and NATO will have to take, assuming they can get Russia to agree to anything. At the moment it doesn’t look likely. Ukraine needs to find a way to apply more pressure. Perhaps keep going with the attacks on Generals on Russian soil.
“Putin has to know that after a peace deal, if he will try to attack Ukraine again, the reaction will be devastating,”
Quite so. The wording could be something like this:
‘…..the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.
…The Russian Federation……reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
…the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine…..if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression’
If those who signed the Budapest agreement had acted more honorably we’d have defeated & driven out Putins hordes by now & Putins imperial wet dream would’ve been stopped. Trump is a disgrace & traitor to free nations & the UN charter. He is no honest broker, but cheerleader for Putin, a corrupt rabid colonial fan boy. He has wasted loads of time & effort from UKR & the rest of NATO just managing his insanity that could’ve been spent far better confronting Putin.
Jim says,”Under no circumstances should the UK be guaranteeing Ukraine’s borders.” But we did exactly that long ago & should’ve done m ore from the start. Unless we mean what we say in any international. even NATO, agreement, we’re betraying freedom & the law-based order worldwide.
Leaving the world to become a might-is-right arena of petty regional competing powers is a dystopian nightmare.
I think that the chances of a Russian “victory” are growing smaller by the month as both Ukraine and Europe build their defense production up. What will probably happen is that there will be a compromise of sorts close to what Zelensky has placed on the table this week and Putin will tout it as a “complete victory” and concentrate on quelling dissent on home for a time. During that time Ukraine will rebuild its economy and some, though not most, of its war refugees will return home. Perhaps more importantly Ukraine will continue building its new type of army with fortifications, drones and artillery at the forefront.
Two or three years down the road, if Putin is still alive and Ukraine grows while Russia continues to stagnate? All bets are off, but the Russian Army in 2 years will be nearly as weak as it is today and Ukraine’s will be much stronger. Russia will not be able to build new weapons as fast as they wish and Ukraine will be growing in nearly every way from their sizable production capacity today.
The next 6 months are the crucial, but my money is on Ukraine.
The US should not play any role in this as they will give Russia an insider advantage
Tullitzer, the trouble is that without the US there can be no really effective security guarantee for Ukraine.
To expand on Graham’s point, the reality is that the U.S. fields more troops in Europe than the British Army has in total…
Without the US there is no NATO alliance!
More Words.
Easier just to keep the war going until Putin is dead and Russia actually wants peace or it breaks apart.
If Donald Trump wants to be the peace maker and get a Noble Prize let America make guarantees.
Under no circumstances should the UK be guaranteeing Ukraine’s borders. Promises from France, Italy and Germany are worthless and most Eastern European nations are about the same. Words are wind to most of these countries.
The UK along with the JEF countries would end up being the only countries that actually stepped up any maybe Australia and a few others would come to our aid but that would be it.
Much better to just keep cutting down the Russian male population and what’s left of their Soviet era armaments in the meat grinder until Russia collapses and breaks apart then we can pick off the good bits.
Even in NATO which is the world strongest alliance we don’t actually make any guarantees juts a right to consult and provide unspecified assistance.
I don’t think we have actually guaranteed any boarders since 1939 and for good reason.
I don’t know what your mental complex is but it is pretty laughable loool the inferiority complex is staggering
Nice, must have hit a nerve 😀
Jim, Putin might live to the same age as his parents (87, 88), so the war would go on to about 2040…unless you are suggesting that he might die prematurely?
The large number of balconies and very steep steps in Moscow, could ensure that happens mate!
I hate to say this, but If Russia wins, it will fight more wars in the future and more people will die than if this war continues until Russia collapsed. Also where Russia leads others will follow. And right now we can’t rule out the US in that. National sovereignty can’t be allowed to give way to regional hegemony.
The trouble is Ukraine is suffering and losing young men and women too. Sooner or later they will have to draft the under 25s if this carries on.
Russia will stay on a war footing to build its forces. Give it 2 or 3 years and they’ll be ready to go again, certainly in terms of equipment, if not personnel. That’s a risk Ukraine and NATO will have to take, assuming they can get Russia to agree to anything. At the moment it doesn’t look likely. Ukraine needs to find a way to apply more pressure. Perhaps keep going with the attacks on Generals on Russian soil.
“Putin has to know that after a peace deal, if he will try to attack Ukraine again, the reaction will be devastating,”
Quite so. The wording could be something like this:
‘…..the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.
…The Russian Federation……reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
…the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine…..if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression’
Oh! Hang on….we already signed that one in 1994……
If those who signed the Budapest agreement had acted more honorably we’d have defeated & driven out Putins hordes by now & Putins imperial wet dream would’ve been stopped. Trump is a disgrace & traitor to free nations & the UN charter. He is no honest broker, but cheerleader for Putin, a corrupt rabid colonial fan boy. He has wasted loads of time & effort from UKR & the rest of NATO just managing his insanity that could’ve been spent far better confronting Putin.
Jim says,”Under no circumstances should the UK be guaranteeing Ukraine’s borders.” But we did exactly that long ago & should’ve done m ore from the start. Unless we mean what we say in any international. even NATO, agreement, we’re betraying freedom & the law-based order worldwide.
Leaving the world to become a might-is-right arena of petty regional competing powers is a dystopian nightmare.
I think that the chances of a Russian “victory” are growing smaller by the month as both Ukraine and Europe build their defense production up. What will probably happen is that there will be a compromise of sorts close to what Zelensky has placed on the table this week and Putin will tout it as a “complete victory” and concentrate on quelling dissent on home for a time. During that time Ukraine will rebuild its economy and some, though not most, of its war refugees will return home. Perhaps more importantly Ukraine will continue building its new type of army with fortifications, drones and artillery at the forefront.
Two or three years down the road, if Putin is still alive and Ukraine grows while Russia continues to stagnate? All bets are off, but the Russian Army in 2 years will be nearly as weak as it is today and Ukraine’s will be much stronger. Russia will not be able to build new weapons as fast as they wish and Ukraine will be growing in nearly every way from their sizable production capacity today.
The next 6 months are the crucial, but my money is on Ukraine.