The sister vessel to MV Glen Sannox will be named MV Glen Rosa following a landslide win in a public vote.
Caledonian Maritime Assets Limited (CMAL) has announced that the vessel currently known as Hull 802 will be named MV Glen Rosa, following a public vote which saw nearly 5000 entries.
4,844 votes were cast in the competition on CMAL’s website, which ran for three weeks. MV Glen Rosa, which will be known as Gleann Ruasaidh in Gaelic, was the most popular name, garnering 52% of the votes.
The vessel, along with MV Glen Sannox, is currently under construction in Ferguson Marine (Port Glasgow), and both ferries will play a vital role in providing a fully flexible year-round service for Arran.
Following the recent update to the NZET committee from Ferguson Marine, MV Glen Rosa is due to launch in March 2024.
Kevin Hobbs, Chief Executive of CMAL said: “The public’s response to the naming of Hull 802 has been fantastic to see, and I’d like to thank everyone for taking the time to vote.
“Though we are disappointed in the delay to launching the vessel reported by Fergusons last week, we understand that the priority is ensuring that the newly named MV Glen Rosa achieves Maritime and Coastguard (MCA) approval. We continue to work closely with the team at Ferguson Marine and can see great progress being made towards the delivery of both MV Glen Sannox and MV Glen Rosa.”
Robbie Drummond, Chief Executive of CalMac, said:
“We are very much looking forward to MV Glen Rosa and MV Glen Sannox joining our fleet. These vessels will provide much-needed resilience to the Arran community, and to the network as a whole.”
MV Glen Rosa will be one of six new major vessels due to join the CMAL fleet before the end of 2025, following a commitment of £695m from the Scottish Government for the years 2021- 2026.
The 102-metre dual fuel ferries will be able to operate on both liquefied natural gas (LNG) and marine diesel. LNG is significantly cleaner and has been adopted by ferry operators in Northern Europe in response to tighter emissions regulations. The ships are designed to carry 127 cars or 16 HGVs, or a combination of both.
Goerge Allison,
please don’t give me stick but, why oh why if Scotland wants its idendity does it use Gaelic. Gaelic was introduced into Scotland in the 6th century AD from Ireland. Before that at least in the Highlands it was Pictish. In the so called Dark Age (post Roman) the area of Scotland up to the Forth in the East and across to Whithorn and further to the coast in the West spoke Northumbrian Old English. Not sure but I think that’s Norse Germanic based. If I again know my history serves me correctly the Celts came to the UK in about 500BC. Some went to Ireland and some to SW England Wales. The NE of Ireland, and around the Glasgow area were ancient Scots (tribes), North of the Forth up to the Pentland were Picks and South of the Forth to Lands End but West of the Pennies including areas such as York were the Briton Celt. So think of a line from the mouth of the Forth to the Devon English Channel coast.
In fact if I remember some of the teaching from an ex-girlfriend who was studying for her Doctorate in Applied Lingistics explained to me that none of the original Brittonic Languages survived in Scotland. It was only in the Old North (Hen Ogledd)(Strathclyde, Gheged, Gododdin) did the Brittonic(Celtic) language survive until the 11th century.
So here is the issue, Gaelic is from the Goidelic language group, Celtic is the Brythonic group and Pictish is possibly even pre Indo-European related to the Pre-Celtic Brittonic groups. So the traditional language of modern Scotland is, what.
If I remember correctly growing up at grandads knee who is a pure Dundonian a city I grew up( I do legally wear the Cameron of Erracht Tartan and could stamp my papers with the motto Advance) in everything from Abercorn to Dumbarton was Lowland Scot. Then again he did not like Low Landers or Cambells very much.
So again my question, if Scotland wants its identity, (which it should have) why name a vessel in a language that came from a diffrent country?
Sorry I know its not defence related but I do get tiered of a country that I love trying to be or do something that it is not, even done to the tartan.
Yup and every ambulance, police car and train station has this make believe on it too. Its almost like it was done for political reasons to show how different Scotland is from the rest of the UK….. Shirley not….. 🤔
With all due respect; I rather think it is their business, what language they choose to use.
60,000 people out of a population of 5.6 million speak Gaelic. I’m willing to bet more Urdu is spoken more commonly.
I remember the historian Michael Woods saying on a BBC program that the English were English ‘because Bede said so’ in his Ecclesiastical History of the British Iles, Language is a fundamental component of a people’s culture, as is their music, their literature and their religion. The Scots have chosen Gaelic because, as you point out, they were evangelised from Ireland. They have a cultural affinity with Ireland. Scotland is a Christian country because of Iona was a centre of Irish monasticism.
I thought the ‘English’ as a race of people died out century’s ago?
I believe biologists and anthroplogists have abandonned the old definition of race as an ethnic group – too much genetic variation within the group it seems. So try this one:
A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution. I think Bede wrote “the peoples of these isles”. So any tribe here at the time. Bede Christened us. Later England was made reality as a nation state at Eamont Bridge in 927
https://www.athelstanmuseum.org.uk/malmesbury-history/people/king-athelstan/
And subsequently defended at the Battle of Brunanburh. The poem is a good read.
Huge variations within any one group, but that wasn’t the entire issue, bigger still was that nobody could define what a “race” was. So if you went to America over 100 years ago, they’d have told you that Italians weren’t “white”, in fact go back a little further they’d tell you the Irish weren’t white either. Because “race” is such a subjective term, ethnicity is generally preferred, which focuses less on psuedo-genetic components and is more specifically referential to cultural cues.
(Btw, this part of the reason why it’s stupid when people say “What I have said isn’t racist X isn’t a a race!”)
Yes, definition seems to be the problem ..for the experts. I think ordinary people are comfortable with ethnicity as evidenced by a few dominant physical characteristics. The experts seem to be more influenced by the shear number of genetic variations.
The vessel itself is named in English, referencing what it’s known as in Gaelic I would assume is because it will serve Arran. Home of the last Southern Gaelic dialect (died out circa early-mid 20th century) and because the isles which the Calmac ferries serve are in general the stronghold of Gaelic (Outer Hebrides, Skye, etc.).
As for why Scotland promotes Gaelic. Yes the south would have spoken a Brythonic language (the epic Welsh poem Y Gododdin actually being from the old North Brythonic rather than Wales).
However, it’s gone and long gone from Scotland and Pictish is even longer gone (though hints survive in place names).
Use of Gaelic across Scotland therefore is a case of trying to encourage Scotland’s only remaining indigenous (other than Scots) alive. Plus in early 12th century Gaelic was spoken in Ayrshire, Dumfries & Galloway and only really never made it so far as the Lothians and Borders region.
As for Gaelic being from another country it came before any of the current countries existed and Scotland formed from the Gaelic speaking Dal-Riata and Brythonic Pictland. So it’s a far older foreign language to Scotland than English brought by those pesky Jutes, Angles and Saxons. Based on that lets make sure our ambulance etc are written in Gaelic & Welsh and ditch the English. 😉
The Celtic Language family currently consists of the Goidelic (Irish, Scottish and Manx) and Brythonic branches (Welsh ,Cornish and Breton). All of these are Celtic languages. The PIcts probably spoke a Brythonic language but adapted to Gaelic from Ireland. There is some Pictish in Scottish Gaelic as not all words and phrases could be translated into Gaelic well.
The Scottish people have lots to be proud of from their varied linguistic history
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No one in Scotland save a few islanders (who all speak English and half are English) and a few nut jobs in the SNP and Greens (half who are Canadian) cares about Gaelic. It’s not “Scotlands language” never has been never will be. Scotland language if there is such a thing is Scot’s which as you say is an old English dialect and the major areas where people live in Scotland I.e the central belt and much of the East Coast up to Aberdeen where part of the same Roman and Germanic (Angles) migrations as the south and East Coast of England and also experienced the same invasions from Vikings and Normans.
I have lived in Scotland all my life and never met a Gaelic speaker, you have about as much chance of finding Nessie as meeting a Gaelic Speaker in Scotland that can’t speak English.
Gaelic as with many things these days is a political weapon being used to some political division where not should be.
The Gaelic issue is a SNP Nationalist Smokescreen to prove the Historical separate identity of Scotland from England. Unlike Welsh it isn’t taught in most Schools so isn’t being actively nurtured. I suspect that may have to do with very few SNP members actually understanding any of it.
A lot if the total tosh about Scotlands National identity can be traced back to the Victorian revivalist movement led largely by Walter Scott and his romantic Image of old Scotland.
Go back to the highlight of Scottish Independence History and Robert the Bruce, he was an Anglo/Norman/Scot and probably Tri lingual.
In 1921 there were 145k dual Speakers (Gaelic/English) and 9.5k mono Gaelic speakers. The numbers of both had dropped by 50% in just 10 years.
I live in Derby, I was raised in Derby but I was born in a little village near Whithorn in what was then Wigtownshire. Both my Grandmothers were Hannah’s so I am a member of the Clan Hannay society and have a family brick up at Sorbie Tower.
Our motto is “per ardua ad Alta”, we have a Tartan and some wear the Kilt to do’s. I can honestly say I doubt it was ever worn by anyone in Battle because it is bloody awful, and I wouldn’t be seen dead in it.
I am a proud Scot, I am British and I am European but for the Union and not the EU. And I don’t need to read a sign in Gaelic to who I am 😉
Glen Money Pit the Second would be more appropriate.