The arrival of 207 Squadron will now see all training on F-35 conducted in the UK.

Since 2013 Royal Air Force and Royal Navy personnel had trained alongside US Marine Corps counterparts at Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort in the US, say the MoD.

Minister for the Armed Forces Mark Lancaster said in a news release:

“The arrival of 207 Squadron represents another milestone in the progress of this world-beating aircraft.

As we welcome 207 Squadron home from our US allies, the transatlantic military relationship continues to be the strongest and deepest of any two nations in the world.”

Air Chief Marshal Sir Stephen Hillier, Chief of the Air Staff, said:

“I was delighted to see the second squadron of the most advanced and dynamic fighter jet in our history arrive today at RAF Marham.

Being able to train our pilots in the UK is another great leap in our sovereign capability and will ensure the Royal Air Force and Royal Navy can train our pilots to fight and win with these extraordinary jets, which will sit at the heart of our country’s globally deployable forces.”

Wing Commander Scott Williams, Officer Commanding 207 Squadron said:

“After experiencing the excellent training offered by our US allies and achieving a good level of experience and knowledge across our instructors, the time is now right to move 207 Squadron from the USA to the UK.

We are thoroughly looking forward to being based at RAF Marham and training our F-35 pilots here in the UK.”

Six aircraft aircraft took the 10-hour flight from MCAS Beaufort in South Carolina.

207 Squadron will formally stand up on 1 August 2019 and the first F-35 pilot course at RAF Marham is due to commence in early-September.

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Rfn_Weston
Rfn_Weston
1 year ago

So including the deployment to Cyprus (6 Jets I believe)… How many UK based F35B do we now have available?

Lusty
Lusty
1 year ago
Reply to  Rfn_Weston

This arrival bring the number of UK based aircraft to 15. It’s worth noting that the jets deployed to Cyprus have now returned, although 2 were on exercise with the Italian Air Force.

geoff
geoff
1 year ago
Reply to  Lusty

Hi Lusty. Any idea when British aircraft will be embarking HMS QE?

Lusty
Lusty
1 year ago
Reply to  geoff

Hey, Geoff. Soon is the answer! HMS Queen Elizabeth will deploy for Westlant 19 along with HMS Dragon. Aircraft from 17 sqn and 617 sqn are set to embark.

Likely we’ll also see her with an RFA vessel, probably Fort Vic or a Tide.

geoff
geoff
1 year ago
Reply to  Lusty

Looking forward! Cheers.

Lusty
Lusty
1 year ago
Reply to  geoff

Me too! No problem.

andy reeves
andy reeves
1 year ago
Reply to  Lusty

and a ssn in tow

andy reeves
andy reeves
1 year ago
Reply to  geoff

if the iranians keep up with all their pushing it to the edge, it will be very soon, hms illustrious was commissioned on the way to the falklands,with the ‘bomb shop’ filled and the ‘birds in the nest Q.E will be good to go

Levi Goldsteinberg
Levi Goldsteinberg
1 year ago

Welcome news, but wish the procurement process was expedited

Iain
Iain
1 year ago

I would tend to agree. I mean we have 9 front line jets and 6 in the OCU? What do they expect the rate of attrition in the pilots to be? From my perspective we could move 3 into the front line and still be able to replace 25% of the pilots per course.

Andrew Smith
Andrew Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  Iain

What is your perspective
Do you train fast jet pilots

Iain
Iain
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Smith

Of course you train fast jet pilots however the OCU isn’t training fast jet pilots. It’s training fast jet pilots to operate the platform. If we already have a fully staffed front line squadron having 6 jets in the OCU at a time when we only have 9 front line jets appears to the casual observer to be a massive misalignment of resources. Having 3 for teaching pilots how to operate the platform and having 12 front line jets seems a much more sensible approach and you add 3 more aircraft to the OCU whenever you stand up 12 more… Read more »

Simon
Simon
1 year ago
Reply to  Iain

I’d guess the 6 OCU covers training for both front-line squadrons.

6 (OCU) + 12 (617RAF) + 12 (809NAS) = 30
30 x 1.5 (sustainment) = 45
45 + 3 (OEU) = 48

Basically, 617 isn’t at full strength yet.

Ade
Ade
1 year ago
Reply to  Iain

I have to add that OCU’s aren’t given Sqn numbers for show. 207 can and are prepared to become a battlefront unit art any time

Ian Skinner
Ian Skinner
1 year ago

Bit of a daft question, but why was this squadron number resurected as opposed to any of the other dormant ones, is it because this was previously a training squadron?

Mark Forsyth
Mark Forsyth
1 year ago
Reply to  Ian Skinner

Looking on wikipedia, there seems no rhyme or reason in regards to RAF squadrons. they seem to form and disband quicker that a “very, very” quick thing. The question should be, based on my only having served in the Army, what happens to all the Sqn silver when a Sqn disbands, or don’t they have any and it just comes from a central pool in Cranwell ?

Markt
Markt
1 year ago
Reply to  Mark Forsyth

207 squadron was a RNAS unit in WW1, as the F35 fleet is joint RAF-RN it is a relevant number to use as the Lightning OCU. I’m not sure how much ‘silver’ RAF squadrons have as most are only 100 and bit years old. There are lots of reasons why squadrons disband and reform on a regular(ish) basis. Defence cuts being one of them, new equipment being another. Example: 9 Squadron disbanded in march this year as a Tornado operator at RAF Marham and then reformed a few weeks(?) later as a Typhoon squadron at Lossiemouth. In the early 90’s… Read more »

Lusty
Lusty
1 year ago
Reply to  Markt

It’d be nice to see 19 Sqn stood up as the next RAF F35 Squadron.

23 Sqn, 201 Sqn and 216 Sqn are being stood up again soon.

Ade
Ade
1 year ago
Reply to  Lusty

23 are the RAF’s first space sqn, 216 have just been stood up as the RAF’s first ‘Drone swarm sqn’ both in July

Alan Reid
Alan Reid
1 year ago
Reply to  Markt

Another “special case” Markt is 120 Squadron. The unit formed relatively late – in 1918. But with about 14 U-Boat “kills” in WW2, it was the highest-scoring maritime patrol squadron. It’s scheduled to reform on the Poseidon later this year. Those RAF 200 series squadrons (before 01/04/1918, the Royal Naval Air Service units) are often overlooked, but they include some of the oldest military flying formations in the world. For instance, 201 Squadron (also with a maritime patrol background, also soon to reform on the Poseidon), formerly No.1 RNAS, was established as early as October 1914. It has a distinguished… Read more »

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 year ago
Reply to  Alan Reid

I did not know that history on the 200 series Alan.

I have learnt something there. Thank you.

Alan Reid
Alan Reid
1 year ago

Much appreciated, Daniele.

Ade
Ade
1 year ago
Reply to  Markt

Each sqn has a connection to what it does, it will also be a rotor to make each Sqn is not stood down too long. As for 207, it is not the connection to the navy that the number was chosen. The unit was kitted out with the Boeing Washington bombers (RAF designation for the B-29). In fact, there never was a 207 in the navy, they were 7, but as the AAC already had handed over 7 to the RAF the ‘2’ and ‘0’ were put in front, as with 208 and the likes. Each OCU has to be… Read more »

DaveyB
DaveyB
1 year ago
Reply to  Mark Forsyth

When Sqn’s disband their memorabilia goes into storage, I’m not sure where. I do remember helping the Harrier guys from 4 Sqn pack up the silver, models etc before they became a different Sqn complete with new silverware. The standard goes to the St Clement Danes church in London.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 year ago
Reply to  DaveyB

I’d read of Cranwell involved in disbandments?

Matthew
Matthew
1 year ago

Standards are only laid up in St. Clement Danes if the RAF don’t expect to reform the squadron anytime soon. Once a standard has been laid up in a church, when reforming a squadron you’d need a new standard as you can’t reuse one that’s been laid up in a church.

With squadrons that the RAF think they might reform in the not so distant future, the standards are housed under the rotunda of the RAF College Cranwell for reuse.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 year ago
Reply to  Matthew

Ah! Interesting. Thank you. Anyone know who’s under there?!

Ade
Ade
1 year ago
Reply to  Mark Forsyth

All items, ‘gizzits’ and trophies that are not passed on when someone else wins it, are packed away and kept in Cranwell, the standard flies over the great hall in Cranwell

Ade
Ade
1 year ago
Reply to  Ian Skinner

Usually, it is a tenuous link between what the sqn has done and what role it carries out now. The bomber sqns remain bomber, but some of these have become transport. Air defence usually remains air defence.

julian1
julian1
1 year ago

do we know how many tankers were used for the transit? was this an identical plan to that of last year when 617 arrived in 2 batches? also, do we know if all 6 aircraft are for 207 or is 617 being topped-up to full strength (10-12 aircraft?)

Lusty
Lusty
1 year ago
Reply to  julian1

I believe all 6 are for 207.

Peter Elliott
Peter Elliott
1 year ago

There’s no point buying more than the minimum number of F35B at this point as these are still early production models that will need a stack of expensive fixes and retrofits in their (potentially quite short) fatigue lives.

By contrast the planes that roll off the line in a couple of years time will be cheaper, more technically mature, more reliable, and longer lived.

It’s also likely the MoD are hoping for a stinger £/$ ratio before they sign the next big order. That may or may not happen but it also influences the thinking right now.

Herodotus
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Elliott

*stronger £/$ ratio….with this bunch in charge; the crass absurdity of Brexit, a possible general election and Bozo vs Jezzer as PM! The only place the £ is going is down the pan!

Trevor
Trevor
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Elliott

There must be a finite number per week/month that LM can make as well I would imagine… along with the other partners. And there is a finite number of pilots and aircrew to train at any one time as well. So the available aircraft have to be spread out. As least Turkey won’t be a problem any more. With any luck our spies (Kerim Bey, Station T) will be able to capture the secrets of the S400 as well!!

Peter Elliott
Peter Elliott
1 year ago

*stronger £/$ ratio

Steve
Steve
1 year ago

Since when has 15 jets made up 2 squadrons?

Meirion X
Meirion X
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve

A lot of the pilot and crew training for the F-35, is done on simulators, nowadays.
Including A new simulator centre built at Marham, a large building. The 207 OCU will most likely have only 5/6 F-35Bs.

andy reeves
andy reeves
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve

how many make a squadron?

andy reeves
andy reeves
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve

good question especially as the numbers for a squadron is 12-24 aircraft

Antonio Martinez
1 year ago

The steadfast alliance between the two great nations of the United States of America and Great Britain continues to grow strong. As an American, I am very pleased to have the U.K. as our strongest ally. God Bless these two great nations.
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Will
Will
1 year ago

Go USA from a Brit. Im proud of the work the UK/US is doing together long may it continue. We are entering a new phase in the world and now more than ever we must stick together.

andy reeves
andy reeves
1 year ago

shame about trump, you have my condolences

SoleSurvivor
SoleSurvivor
1 year ago

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andy reeves
andy reeves
1 year ago

steadfast? i wouldn’t trust the americans as far as i could throw them all they want from the u.k is £££