“The solar farm being built at the Defence School of Transport in Leconfield is the first of four photovoltaic solar farm sites to be built on the Army’s vast estate as part of Project PROMETHEUS which will increase renewable energy across the Defence Estate.When built it will cover an area the size of six football pitches and will be capable of generating up to one third of the electricity needed on site. It will produce enough power to supply much of the site’s infrastructure including the single soldiers and family’s accommodation the offices, classrooms and gym. The cost savings will be invested into Army infrastructure and help to reach the Army’s ambition of Net Zero by 2050.”
Colonel Chris Henson, Commandant of Defence School of Transport was quoted as saying:
“We are delighted that the Defence School of Transport site was chosen as the first solar farm site within Defence, as part of the Army’s Project PROMETHEUS. The whole organisation is working hard to become more environmentally friendly and sustainable, and it is something we are certainly focussing on at the Defence School of Transport. We acknowledge that we are a long way off becoming carbon neutral, but it is something that the Defence School of Transport Conservation Team and Defence are working towards for the future.”
Three remaining solar farms are scheduled for construction and will be based at the Duke of Gloucester Barracks, South Cerney, Gloucestershire, Rock Barracks in Suffolk and Baker Barracks on Thorney Island, Sussex.
All three are scheduled to be delivered by Summer 2021 with the aspiration to deliver approximately 80 more across the Army estate over the next seven years.
You can read more here.
Given the amount of warehousing and massive buildings in the MOD portfolio. Why don’t they just renew all the roofs with solar panels. Which will be a win win even raising these 20ft into the air could provide some shade for a vehicle park or similar.
also a matrox unpressurised nuclear reactor in a container would also benefit the uk whilst meeting our commitments
this smacks a bit of tokenism and given we are making people unemployed I think we could spend our money far more productively
Wouldn’t surprise me if as plans progress that will be done. Easy wins.
If the panels are from China we are helping finance their military expansion!
I take it you’ve never bought anything “Made in China” thrn?
Not if i can avoid it, they are threatening India, building a canal to try and steal their water and worming their way into Pakistan to facilitate boarder expansion into India’s direction. They are threatening Taiwan invading their airspace frequently and are Government is still being chummy with them, have some moral compass !
“Not if I can avoid it.”
So you do buy from China. Cheers for clearing that up.
Sometimes you cannot avoid it do to one-supplier sources.. Seems you don’t care whether you do or not.
I do care, but I think it’s hilarious that people get irate about funding chinese military expansion by the nation trying to go green, but then will turn around and buy chinese at the drop of a hat because they want the latest iPhone.
China has nearly 600 coal fired power stations. Buying Chinese is probably not a green solution.
Seems 80 percent of the worlds solar panels are from china as they dropped the price so low it was hard for anyone else to compete !
Panels are now dirt cheap at wholesale prices. I fitted them myself a while back.
Well worth doing if you can fit them yourself.
At ground level they could be getting the boys and girls to put them up as all you need is a mini digger and come concrete for the bases.
Roof fitting is a bit more of a pain but I agree with other contributors that when big building are re-roofed they should have PV by default.
I also don’t buy into the ‘when the sun does t shine’ argument – use grid gas generation to fill the smaller gaps – as 100kWh of EV battery is about £10k (or less and reducing) wholesale.
No problem with panels, I do have a problem with covering valuable land mass though.. we must have a load of vehicle and warehouse roofs that would benefit from this and all new accommodation should have solar built in even if it’s for hot water generation. No need for roof tiles if you can put these on.
I am all for energy efficiency, just wish they would be a bit more strategic, but then again we could say that about the army as a whole
It depends what that land is doing though. If it’s just a field sitting there and doing nothing, why not cover it in solar? It’s also significantly easier and cheaper to put solar panels up in a field than on roofs – though I do agree that they should be installed whenever a roof needs redoing or a new building is built.
I agree with you that the UK needs to wise up to solar thermal. Much better to use solar thermal (other than the pump zero energy usage) for heating boosted by a bit of gas than use heat pumps (which when they are needed most produce poor yields).
The number of days you are using more than 20% of your gas boiler power is tiny.
Quite a few Army bases are ex-RAF airfields and the acres of concrete runways are still there. Ideal for lots of solar panels – and with existing hard foundations.
Very, very good point.
And actually quick to remove if you need the runway back in a hurry for any reason. Just need to use fixings that only leave a plastic puck in the concrete and not a metal stud. So a very large heavy duty rawlplug type fixing (Fisher fixings do them) would be fine.
Even the hard stands would be useful.
You don’t need much to mount a solar panel on: just enough weight that the alignment doesn’t change with windage. Usually all you do is to grub out some narrow strip footings and then just trundle a concrete mixer alongside and fill them up: nothing very technical. You can do all sorts of things with the panel frames mounted between screw piles put in by a mini digger if you don’t want to use concrete some farmers don’t want concrete in the ground so it is more reversible as you can unscrew the piles.
You’ve got the job, SB!
I doubt they will stop at this particular energy solution.
As you say, unpressurised nuclear is one route, my own enthusiasm being for Rolls-Royce and/or Moltex.
And if these help to steer us away from strategically-vulnerable and non-green fossil fuels, so much the better.
Unfortunately RR are mini pressurised, so I am all in on Moltex.
really poor that the UK govt is not 100% behind this innovative British company, but the Canadian govt is.. says something about us I am afraid.
if we are serious about global Britain, then moltex is the type of company the govt should be taking a golden share in.
Norway has the worlds largest sovereign wealth fund at $1trillion, perhaps the uk should setup its own whilst the cost of borrowing is cheap and use the money it makes to offset the deficit.
we should be taking key positions in companies like RR, reaction engines, moltex, BAES, Babcock BT Openreach, Dyson automotive and ARM to name but a few
we do have some positions but often end up selling at a loss ( banks mainly), but why would we do this when they are making profit and providing income?
You can only set up a sovereign wealth fund if you don’t spend all your state revenues. UK has been running deficits for decades. Apart from China and China linked territories, most of the sovereign wealth funds are held by countries with large oil revenues and small populations.
I do agree that government should get more involved in key defence related industries. The Defence and Security Industrial Strategy is moving in that direction.
The roofing load on buildings such as warehouses, hangers etc. are designed so it’s not possible to place a large load like a few hundred solar panels and associated equipment.
Even adding them to small office blocks or houses would require work to ensure they can handle the additional load.
Placing them in a field requires no structural load, you have thousands of panels on a single level and area to reduce maintenance costs.
Yea because they need more solar power as opposed to things like tanks, planes, ect. LOL
Well it says they will save money I wonder over what period. It’s a technology that needs to be committed to and you have to start somewhere I just hope (perhaps optimistically) that it will encourage British industry and innovation.
I very much suspect its typical gov / civil service spin. Fuel cost will get saved, if you ignore the significant upfront cost of the panels. Solor is still not cheap enough to make major savings.
Here’s how it saves money: Step 1 declare drive for environmental sustainability, Step 2 penalise oneself for not going green, Step 3 buy expensive green energy generators to avoid SELF-IMPOSED PENALTIES, Step 4 pat self job well done on saving oneself from one’s own penalties
It is the same poppycock behind spending on unitary (non-cluster) warheads and low-collateral PGMs. All well and good until one fetches up against an enemy with no such compunctions who has spent that money getting cheaper, more plentiful, more destructive weapons.
Do you think Russia or China give much of a soaring shag over whether their forces are environmentally-friendly and socially responsible? Or is their priority on WINNING THE FIGHT?
China is building huge amounts of offshore wind, and land solar power, so yes, I guess they do.
But are they doing it for their Armed Forces, or for other purposes? And how does the UK and PRC compare, are you sure what’s good for the goose is also good for the gander? The PRC is also building artificial island firebases in the sea, should we do the same?
No, and other purposes such as propaganda and PR. Their total amount of energy from solar/wind/cow-farts is miniscule compared to coal, oil, and nuclear. We will not build artificial firebases in the sea, after all, its their sea, just ask them. The attack on Taiwan and its supporters is not far away.
Exactly. What gets my goat is that the PRC and USSR 2.0 have basically pulled off several annexations within the past 10 years while we’ve been faffing about wondering if it’s environmentally sustainable to put a cruise missile up their arses. It sounds like something out of an 80s comedy show but it is the reality of today. The friggin ARMY cutting tanks in order to build solar farms… job jolly well done I say.
Renewables account for about 26% of China’s Energy resources at the moment.
They are also still commissioning coal fired plants.
It may save money and may get the military into the habit of being less dependent on strategically vulnerable resources like fossil fuels. Also this perhaps helps spur on technical innovation in this field.
If you take into account the need for backup generation for when the sun isn’t shining it won’t save a penny. All this does is make the system vulnerable to interruption. If the climate is allegedly going to become disruptive, then surely pv electric is the last thing we should be relying on. That’s speaking as someone who has solar panels installed .
“ If the climate is allegedly going to become disruptive”…
You’re denying that climate change is happening?! 🤦♂️
“You’re denying that climate change is happening?!”
Anti-science typical of scientism because do not have falsiability.
No one knows what climate is doing and by what reasons.
The climate scientists have a pretty good idea based upon recordings taken over time. While there is a degree of discussion as to whether all the change is due to man’s carbon releasing activities, only flat-earther types believe it isn’t happening.
Agreed Sean, Yes, our rock is going to fluctuate in temperature etc but you’d have to a special kind of stoopid not to realise that the 7 billion or so (and increasing) people living on this rock with growing demands for resources isn’t going to have an impact.
Guess each of the 7 billion humans give of 100 to 120 watts of heat energy while resting lol!
“The climate scientists have a pretty good idea based upon recordings taken over time.”
Ridiculous, Climate science is only in beginning.And at quality level is going it always will be.
You only have a couple of decades you can know what have been the cloud cover for example.
Please note Sean, that I specifically did not deny that climate change is happening. I merely pointed out, that the alleged reason for taking action to stop climate change, is that the weather will become more disruptive. If you agree that is true, then surely you should agree that building a system that is vulnerable to bad weather is pretty stupid?
“Climate Change” has always happened. CO2 from burning fossil fuels making the earth hotter – no hard evidence at all. Ice core data shows CO2 follows temperature, Climate models show between 3-7 times more warming due to CO2 that actual real-world data – hence wrong. Greenland ice cores and Stomata data from fossils show CO2 levels have been just as high if not higher than today in the recent past. The future is a cooler world as a result of natural cycles and a reduced output from the sun.
The British Army should just stick to war fighting. I’m sure Putin will be delighted that British money is being wasted on this nonsense and “Electric tanks” to fight “Climate Change”.
Not a fan of the ‘big picture’ then Gary ?? Why shouldn’t the Army (in this case) try and save a bit of cash and get some good PR out of this. And that’s just the ‘selfish stuff’, then there’s the Army being part of UK Gov and their drive to reduce our impact on the planet.
I’m not sure why we would be using Putin as the gauge of how the UK would (and should) behave. Its almost like you’ve decided that the ‘whole climatey thing’ is a load of crap and will use any old stick to beat it with. No…. that can’t be it can it ????
Once again, you listen to repeated and repeated and .. journalist propaganda so it must be truth…
Why you choose to ignore climate complexity, that goes from past influence today to planetary motion?
If this happened today you all be wanting to kill some internal combustion engine witches https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Storm_of_1703
You are being manipulated.
Cheers AlexS, its a good job you’re here to keep us all right on this stuff…
I guess your experts have it nailed down and no other opinion (including those other pesky experts (and the journos and wee Greetin’ Greta)) are all talking bollox*.You’ve convinced me, I’m not sure why we should worry about the rock we live on getting warm or running out of resources when the population is both expanding in number and leading more indulged lifestyles. I reckon you’ve got the right of it and it will all work out fine.
*Greta boils my pish and I’m no hippy. I am however open to the idea that us greedy human bastards have a tendency to shit in our nests due to short sighted selfishness so what’s the harm in trying not to be.
How can you distinguish past climate change from today? You can’t and no one can.
I posted a text from an Italian of XIX century about climate change of his time and before. Giacomo Leopardi, XXIX chapter of Pensieri, but seem it was not or not yet approved.
AlexS, I suspect you credit both of us with much more wisdom on the subject than either of us actually have. We’ll be getting our ‘knowledge’ from sources that have stronger opinions on it with more credentials (at least hopefully).
For myself, as I’ve posted elsewhere in this thread, I find it inconceivable that the amount of humans that currently exist, with our heightened needs doesn’t have an impact on our planet. It has finite resources so at some point we’re going to run out of them. I’m not sure why an affluent and forward thinking country like the UK wouldn’t be looking to be one of the lead countries in trying to encourage other countries to take advantage of things like solar. Climate Change is only a part of the whole issue, again I’ll reference the huge amount of people currently inhabiting the planet but that aside, once we use up all the oil, at some point we’re going to run out of ‘other stuff’. That’s not factoring in other stuff like iron to make steel…. blah blah blah. Whether YOU think Global Warming is a feed of arse is irrelevant, we live on a spinning rock with a finite amount of ‘everything’ so the while the whole ‘hippy thing’ might not resonate with you, its not all bollox. I say that someone who isn’t exactly buying into the whole hippy thing myself and I resent the feck out of being patronised by the likes of ‘Greein’ Greta’ and her angst driven guff. Still, I’ll not let the poster girl get in the way of basic common sense (ie the amount of us living on the planet with ever increasing demands to live better lives).
Well, if we ignore the fact these these will come from China (made via forced labour? – https://www.politico.eu/article/xinjiang-china-polysilicon-solar-energy-europe/), adding to our already massive trade deficit, don’t work at night, produce mountains of toxic waste (https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/09/19/solar-panels-generate-mountains-of-waste/), will actually cost the British bill payer (https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2019/05/13/critics-blame-solar-farms-for-high-electricity-bills-as-it-emerges-owners-earn-more-money-from-taxpayer-funded-handouts-than-selling-energy/) (24% of our electricity bills are to pay for this nonsense – https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2021/02/15/homeowners-fleeced-by-renewable-subsidies/) and will add to the national grid instabilities with the potential for blackouts (https://www.thegwpf.com/u-k-power-grid-creaks-at-risk-of-blackouts/). Otherwise, great!
As for Putin, well lets just see what happens in Ukraine in the next few weeks.
And yes, I, a Physicist, like many other scientists, think this ‘whole climatey thing’ is a load of crap.
Climate change: Chapter XXIX Pensieri Giacomo Leopardi
Written in 1830’s
I think everybody will remember having heard from his parents several times, just as I remember hearing from mines, that years have become colder than they were, and winters longer; and that when they were younger, already around Easter they would leave the winter clothes for the summer ones; whilst such a change today, or so they say, is only bearable in May, and sometimes in June. And not many years ago, some physicists seriously searched for a cause to this alleged cooling of the seasons. Some said it was the fault of the deforestation of the mountains, and some others said something else I don’t remember: all to explain a fact that is not happening: because actually, on the contrary, it has been noted, for example, in quotes from ancient writers, that Italy at the time of the Romans must have been cooler than today.
That is wholly believable as experience makes apparent that as the men’s civilization progresses, so the air, in the lands inhabited by them, gets progressively milder: and such an effect has been evident in America where, so to speak, according to memory, a fully-fledged civilization has replaced in part a barbarian state, and in part empty deserts. […]
[One and a half centuries ago Magalotti wrote] in the Family Letters: “It is certain that seasons’ natural order is worsening. Here in Italy it is common saying and lamentation that the half-seasons have disappeared; and in this confusion, it’s without doubt that the cold is advancing. I have heard my father that in his youth, in Rome, on the morning of Easter Sunday, everybody would change into summer clothes. Nowadays whoever can afford not to sell his shirt, I can tell you he’s very careful not to abandon any winter piece of clothing”. This is what Magalotti wrote in 1683.
Italy would be cooler than Greenland, if between then and now, it would have cooled as much as they were saying at the time.
It goes almost without saying that the continuous cooling that is said to be occurring due to intrinsic reasons in the Earth mass, is of no interest whatsoever with the present thoughts, as it is so slow to be impossible to appreciate in tens of centuries, let alone a few years.
Italian Source:
https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Pensieri_(Leopardi)/XXXIX
Translation from here
https://omniclimate.wordpress.com/2008/02/26/leopardi-1832-onclimate-change/
In just the last 10 years to 2011 the cost of the panels has dropped 89%. If combined with grid scale battery storage (cost also plummeting) they could easily not just save £s over 10 years, but actually make a profit helping balance the grid.
Surely climate change is not drastically reducing the amount of solar energy hitting the planet?
No, it’s not, but solar pv is vulnerable to damage and cannot be relied upon. The Army receiving money from feed in tariffs is just accountants moving money from one place to another in an inefficient and opaque manner.
Its money in not out. Very much a thing with south facing farmers in my area too, A profitable use of land, of which MOD has a lot.
Seems like a good idea, just a pity that its a single service initiative.
Don’t forget the submarines Stephen.
They will all be made in China. Crazy – the only thing you can say is the pollution making them will be China’s problem
Its just a expensive stop gap till fusion and mini nuclear reactors.
I’ve never been a fan of solar farms. I would rather use the land for trees or food farming. Put them on roof tops. And I’m fairly confident intermittent technologies like wind and solar will be obsolete by the end of this decade. UK companies like Infinite Power are starting to come on stream that will provide green, reliable and cheap electricity.
Despite it’s variability wind is now the lowest cost power source, even with current historic low gas/oil/coal prices. Grid scale batteries have already proven themselves as profitable way to even out supply. A scheme already exists where the National Grid can direct electric vehicles to vary their charge rate and timing to help balance grid supply/demand balancing for more efficiently than turning fosil fuel power stations on and off. Obviously the number of EVs is going up so their utility to the grid is increasing.
Yes…
We have the same projects in France, a shame.
You have so much surface on roof but no… build a solar farm in France or UK where the ground surface is not so important from the start…
I have to speak up in defence of wind and solar on this one; Canada and plenty of other places like the UK North Sea operate solar and wind farms all year round in horrendous conditions without the kind of disruption seen in Texas. The reason was, they didn’t specify their systems for the weather they then experienced- causing the disruption seen. Notably, I believe there was also significant disruption in the fossil fuel sector in Texas too, so I don’t think the renewable sources can be singled out as the primary contributor to their blackouts.
That said, there are limitations to these intermittent renewables at the moment, which is way large-scale energy storage (not L-ion batteries, they don’t have the capacity) needs to be rolled out in parallel for them to really become a reliable base for a country’s supply. Even then, I think there will still be a place for nuclear and maybe gas (biogas from digesters maybe, if they could handle the capacity?). Hydrogen is more problematic than the government likes to claim, so I don’t see that replacing natural gas.
Where are the numbers and in 5 years we will get a new PR?
PS: i think for crucial installations it is needed redundancy so it means being not as efficient. This place does not seems to be one of those.
Cut the Army but go Green while doing it.
A company in Nottingham found their power needs screwed over after the council failed to plan properly for the local tram build. They have quite a bit of warehouse space so they decided to install solar panels, within the first two months they had supplied 100kWh of energy and now account for 10% of their production power. They are worth it.
That should be 100,000kWH. Check your auto correct kids!
Madness. Hippy Marxists have taken the military. We are finished
The QE2 carries 7m litres of fuel for ship and aircraft and was refuelled twice during sea trials. Unless solar panels actually save significant amounts of money over their lifetime, in the context of the fuel needed for the carrier groups trip to the Pacific,they are token gestures.
Once a climate sceptic, Boris, under the influence of his mistress, is now a full on believer. As a result, the Integrated Review is full of green virtue signalling ( alongside a lot of other nonsense).
Peter S, if I get you right we should do nothing then. I’m with Tesco, every little helps.
I did say that unless this really saves money, it is a token gesture.
I’ve got so used to typing QE2 I don’t even see the mistake any more!
Surely though, if it saves ‘some’ money then its a good thing. Then if the idea is put across the whole of the MOD then its going to save even more money. Why not spread it across all sectors of government. Being cynical, whether that’s about saving the planet or its about putting more money in the kitty is irrelevant.
Morning, The “QE2” you speak of, are you referring to the retired Liner or HMS Queen Elizabeth ? lol.
I think he’s suggesting covering the QE’s deck with solar panels.
Well we might as well, It’s not like the Deck is crowded with F35’s is it ? What can we put on her, 12 is it ?
The QE is a carrier with no aircraft, innit? I heard that from a reliable Scottish source.
Well, Can you confirm that it has a full load of “Built for” F35’s ? I kind of get fed up reading all the “But she has Aircraft” articles, Tee Shirt sales stuff and the like, when actually, She has just a token force of the much often quoted 138 that the UK signed up for as a major partner. Oh and looks like we are only getting 48 now, so that’s probably just 30 max for both Carriers unless we ask the US or Italy if they wouldn’t mind lending us a few. Some folk are taking the Piss here and it’s not us “She has no aircraft” types that’s for sure.
Hello mate, I think that the whole Anti Scottish thing on here is a bit silly to be fair, It’s not the lovely people North of England that are the problem, It’s the so called Leaders ( isn’t that just so common when you look back in history ?) Quite why folk use the UKDJ to berate the Scottish here, I’ll never really understand. It is the “UK” defence Journal after all and they do tend to build all our Warships nowadays….. apart from those Subs and a few RFA’s. I also agree with Heroic’s post about F35 numbers……………….. It’s not like we actually have a full compliment capable of embarking is it ? 12 is about it really, and we probably will never see a full on 42 on one carrier as designed, let alone Both so I tend to get what he is saying here. And I’m not Scotsman.
Hi Captain, I’m with you all the way there, about the Scots – they are lovely people and they love their country. Certainly a bit more patriotic than most English. As you rightly say – it’s largely the so-called leaders (and certain reporters and MSPs) who are more interested in making political points than working for the population and espousing a balanced view.
Heroic – very valid points. It will be interesting to see where we are in, say, 12-24 months, with F35Bs.
Cheers! Have another dram!
As someone who was a proud Scot I’m now in a position of viewing being proud of where you were born/grew up/live as pointless. Its not like you can do anything about it. To cast up stuff that other folk have done who have shared the same bit of geography is futile, its just so tribal.
Sorry Andy – I didn’t mean to be offensive in any way. Just having a pop at one particular journalist, who could have been from anywhere in UK; she just happened to be a Scottish journalist.
No offence taken mate, just saying that to be proud of your nationality is pretty pointless when you break it down. Its not like you have to pass some test, you’re just from somewhere. That gets whipped up to reasons to be crappy to others who weren’t born in the same wee corner of the planet.
Edit to add – I did buy into all that guff back in the day but you might as well be proud of being left or right handed, its all just another reason for an ‘us and them’.
unless It’s really Cloudy or Dark. No seriously, They don’t really work too well when it’s cloudy or dark.
Nice to see that we’re getting an enormous solar farm at our barracks. Meanwhile, my accommodation is simply ancient – not to mention eye wateringly inefficient. The heating has no control and is so hot that soldiers leave their windows open day and night.
The irony is not lost on me.
you would think they would sort the oft mentioned poor accomodation first wouldn’t you …still no headlines there are there – and prob the old guys would moan about snowflake squadies!! As for UKDJ talking ‘green’ the irony is not lost on me either-ridiculous article & thread tbh.
Yes Jay you are not the first service person ,who has complained about the living quarters and facilities.
They need to get it sorted .
Different budget!
I would be far happier if they were building a small modular reactor, of any type, preferably molten salt however, to provide guaranteed energy over 25-50 years.
Yep and the RnD into that could secure commercial exports. Boast gdp therefore the defence budget.
The author is aware, I’m sure, currently solar panels are limited in lifespan (around 25 years), and are non-recyclable, to say nothing of requiring tremendous carbon-emitting mining, refining and processing, and manufacturing, before being transported. There are no practical disposal plans proposed by any firm anywhere: just dump them in the same landfills currently occupied by windfarm turbine blades.. Quadruple that for the battery storage needs, and you get negative energy gains, and even higher carbon emissions. Neither panel or battery production can be accomplished on green energy.
Another waste of time, resources, and taxpayer money.