Project Valkyrie will procure aircraft to conduct “Close Air Support/Intelligence Surveillance and Recognisance emulation on collective training exercises enables Air Land Integration (ALI) training to occur”.
A contract tender notice has been posted for a £9m contract called ‘Project Valkyrie’, please note that the above image is a generic file photo of a drone and is not indicative of any specific plans.
The contract tender specifies that Air Land Integration training forms part of the mandatory ‘Collective Training Objectives’ that Field Army units are validated or certified against on collective training exercises in order to be assessed as capable of holding readiness or deploying on operations.
It’s stated that the requirement is for “a manned air platform or platforms and aircrew capable of operating to Visual Flight Rules (VFR) and Instrument Flight Rules (IFR) by day or night whilst performing CAS/ISR tasks, to emulate existing and future military manned & unmanned capabilities, in support of exercising troops on CTG exercises, in the UK and overseas”.
The tendering deadline is the 15th of July 2022 and the delivery estimate is the 5th of June, 2023.
Project Valkyrie joins Project Vampire, a Royal Navy effort to deliver similar at sea but with drones.
Qinetiq was recently awarded a £6.7 million contract for Phase 1 of ‘Project Vampire’, a project aiming to procure low-cost fixed-wing drones for intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance activities in addition to threat simulation. According to the contract award notice, the outline of the project is as follows.
“Project VAMPIRE sits within the Develop Directorate of Navy Command and aims to address a number of capability problem sets utilising a low-cost Fixed Wing Uncrewed Air Vehicle (UAV) as a means for the development of operational concepts, payload types, and associated communication and digital architecture.”
According to the contract notice, Phase 1 of project Vampire will run as a 4 year project with an option to extend by 1 year until 31 March 2026.
The project is being contracted to deliver the following:
- Four Air Vehicles (In Royal Navy livery as agreed with the authority), with one additional per year in 2023-24 and 2024-25, with options to purchase up to 10 more and an option to extend the contract until 31/03/2026.
- One Launcher with options to purchase up to 2 more.
- One ground control station and aerials, with options to purchase up to 2 more.
- Training for operators in 2022-23, with a repeat in 2024-25.
- Maintainer training for first-line servicing in 2022-23, with a repeat in 2024-25.
So reading the above and with the very short IOC I get the impression that the MOD is after a COTs solution along the lines of small quad UAV for the sneaky beaky role. Anyway I read this article the other week regards the much bigger scope the USN is looking at regards UAVs (Note it will delete after 7 days)
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What an interesting read. It really is an area that is exploding with possibilities. Drones are going to be doing everything we can think of. The navies look like they have a plan as does the RAF. Not sure about the army. From personal Drones carrying some of the kit to save a solider carrying so much weight,. Supply deliveries to teams, recon is a massive area. Ajax could do with a drone launcher/landing area or trailer etc.
Until someone makes a weapon that can find and zap drones out the sky easily they are great area to get into. Hope some boffins are working on great systems. Easy to operate, fix, build, deploy
the proposed bell tilt rotor looks ideal for the UK carriers airborne early waring role.
They are a capable aircraft, but I think its been stated before that the propeller rotors in their normal flight position create massive interference and clutter on the AEW radar, rendering the picture almost unreadable. Something like a marinised Protector drone would be another possibility.
PC not sure where you are getting your info but as an existing helicopter is OK for this functionality and the manufacturer says it’s ok for this function someone is pulling your proverbial.
It was actually one of the regular posters on this forum who mentioned it, I can’t remember who though and it seemed to make sense to me at the time. Not being smart but isn’t it the same reason why the likes of Protector and Bayratkar drones have a ‘ pusher’ arrangement of their propeller (s) so as to minimise potential interference with front mounted sensors? I could be wrong though.
Well as the manufacturer has stated that it has been tested with underslung radar, I fear you are wrong. However, the expert on such topics seems to be DaveyB and he has given previous views on this if you do a search. I think we all agree that drones are the future, not if but when.
Yeah. In hindsight, I think it was the Osprey tilt rotor that was being referred to in the post I read.
Gents,
The Osprey was part of trial years (15+ years) ago, to see if it could do AEW as part of swing role, much like in same sense as Merlin does today with its Crowsnest kit or the then Sea King did. However, rather than borrowing the Sea King’s ASaC kit. They put together a Heath Robinson affair, using a mechanical scanned radar (from a S3 Viking if I remember correctly) mounted on the tail ramp, that then lowered the antenna, to rotate below the aircraft when in forward flight. It didn’t work that well, in part due to the vibrations coming from the tail ramp, bouncing the antenna up and down. But also because the radar was not modified to filter out the prop-rotors. There were some drawings of an Osprey with a fixed triangular passive electronically scanned array (PESA) fitted above the fuselage. But this was just concept art from Lockheed Martin or Raytheon on a future possibility. It sadly never got any further.
The Osprey, V247 or the V280 Valor could be used for AEW. However, it would be better (easier) to use four flat panel active electronically scanned arrays (AESAs). Rather than a single unit mounted above the airframe. Though this is still doable on an Osprey, using something like Saab’s Erieye radar. Though finding a way to rotate the antenna, when the wing is put in the parked mode would be interesting!
Both Norway and Italy are upgrading their EH101s with new radar. They will mount 3 or 4 Leonardo Osprey AESA panels around the aircraft to give a 360 horizontal view. The Osprey will give the aircraft both a surface and airborne search and track capability. Italy are doing this as a replacement for their AEW EH101s, which don’t work all that brilliantly. But from what I can gather Italy are initially upgrading their AEW EH101s on a 1 for 1 basis. Then looking at doing a fleet fit, which would then mean any of their EH101s can do AEW. The Norwegian EH101s are being used by their coastguard and the X-band digital radar will help navigate and search for targets in really crap weather around the fjords.
For a tilt-rotor, by placing two panels up near the cockpit area and two in the tail area of the Osprey, for example. You will nullify the issues with the prop-rotors, due to the field of view angles of the panels. Also the prop-rotors will be rotating within a specific and narrow rpm range, as they are constant speed variable pitch propellers. You can filter out this regular doppler pattern through software recognition. AESA with its extremely fast scan rate and multiple beam transmission capability, will also help mitigate the prop-rotor interference problem.
The USMC and USN have recognized that if they want to use a LHA/LHD as a supplementary Lightning carrier, then it needs both an organic AEW and aerial refuelling (AAR) capability. So far, during the trials they have used Hawkeyes and KC10s flying from land bases. Which didn’t always work, as they were dependent on local weather conditions (i.e. Typhoons near the Philippines) and due to the large transit distances and times.
They looked at extending the USMC MUX program which was being based on the Bell V247 UAV for close air support and reconnaissance, to further incorporate AEW, but it got too expensive, so they shelved it. The requirement for organic AEW is still there. Bell have not canned the V247, the airframe is just the right size for a multiple of roles. So watch this space, as I’d expect to see an announcement soon.
The Osprey has shown that it can do aerial refuelling and hold enough fuel to extend the range/duration of a pair of USMC F18s. It will therefore be able to do the same for a pair of F35Bs. The Lightning carrier based on the USS America was looking at embarking 22 F35Bs. But if they want organic AEW and AAR then they will have to drop the numbers carried to 18 or less to make space for the additional Ospreys. It could be fitted with AESA panels like the Italian/Norwegian EH101s, to give it an AEW capability. It seems an obvious choice for a quick into service manned swing-role platform. Though this role will likely be done in the future by a remotely operated UAV.
Daveyb…. the best minister for education we never had !!👍
Very informative thank you
The Osprey radar from Leonardo is a good radar…
But they are not adding it to Italian Merlin to replace the AEW radar. Osprey has nowhere near the power or range, it is a very low power system whose utility is mainly as a conformal array.
From Leonardo’s website on the Osprey 30 AESA radar:
Characteristics
Functions
Capabilities
The Italian Navy’s EH101 AEWs currently use the HEW-784 radar. This has a published detection range against a frigate sized ship of 370km, which is about 200 NM. From the information I’ve got, the Italian Navy say their four AEW EH101s will get Osprey to replace the current radar. They haven’t said if this is the Osprey 30 or the larger 50. The Norwegians EH101s and the USN Firescout UAVs are using the Osprey 30.
If the Italian Navy fit the Osprey 30, it will still have a better overall performance than the current radar. Although Leonardo do not publish the size of the target’s RCS it can detect a target at 200NM. A lot can be gleaned by comparing it with other similar radars, as the performance will be roughly comparable. For example the Sea Spray 7500E-V2 AESA X-band radar has a published detection range of 320NM. It uses a bigger array than the Osprey 30 but smaller than the Seaspray’s, so the Osprey 50 would fit between the two based on Leonardo’s radar portfolio. So as a best guess, I’d say the Osprey 50’s detection range would be closer to 250NM. As far as I can tell, they use the same transmitter-receiver modules (TRMs) throughout their airborne surveillance AESA radars.
A long time ago, the Royal Aeronautical Society did a presentation on the Searchwater radar. They gave away a lot of data on the radar’s performance, that was then fitted to the first Sea Kings being used in the AEW role. In it they said the radar could detect a 5m2 RCS target at 150NM which was flying at 30,000ft. But that was not the maximum detection range, as something like a frigate would have a substantially larger RCS. Today a lot of companies use 1m2 squared as a representative target. But they will only give you a rough guide to the radar’s maximum detection range. For radars operating in the X-band, to get over 200NM you need to increase the effective radiated power (ERP), the antenna cross sectional area (CSA), the receiver’s sensitivity along with better signal processing. Therefore, for an AESA radar more TRMs increases the ERP, CSA and to an extent the sensitivity. Today’s signal processing makes a massive difference to the radar’s performance.
With regards to output power, Osprey uses various modes that utilise varying degrees of output power. It gets very complicated when trying to describe relative output powers when relating to specific transmitted waveforms. For example when comparing power required for a straight continuous wave to a highly compressed pulse. You need a very high peak power output to transmit the pulse to get the same range as the CW which can use a lower output power, but the context is the same.
How about towing the Radar on a Glider aft of the towing a/c like VDS?
Bugger, been mentioned again!
Fixed wing stol is a better way forward. Surprised they don’t trial a Pilatus Porter.
The army is not unfamiliar with drones, fielding the Canadair CL-89 Midge (Military Intelligence & Data Gathering Equipment) in 1969/70; the system was designed for information collecting at a divisional level. [The army’s first teleoperated ground vehicle was the EOD Wheelbarrow fielded from 1972]. The army of course has operated Watchkeeper from 2018 and has a number of small drones including Throw-bots.
Not sure about an army plan for future acquisition and use of drones (or UGVs).
I first saw the V-247 (the USMC tilt rotor) a while back and really liked the look of it. I could see it as an all-arms asset for manned/unmanned teaming: pair it with a manned helo (Wildcat or Merlin) on an escort; pair it with Apache for the AAC; not sure what the RAF may want it for, but maybe advance recon of landing zones and armed overwatch for medium lift ops? I think the airframe is big enough to take AEW systems, Stingray, sonobuoys, Martlet, probably a limited loadout of Brimstone, and USMC will almost certainly clear it for JAGM if they take it up. Not sure whether it’s big enough for Sea Venom and suchlike, but a helpful capability to have. I understand it can fit on the footprint of a UH-1 Venom (updated Huey) in a hangar, so might be a tight squeeze next to Merlin but plenty of room alongside Wildcat.
Agree, think it fits with uk f35b operations. Has range and loiter time. I’ve just seen the sales pitch so see what actually happens. The guy said they call it 247 as only needs 2 for 24hr cover.
Could it provide Air to Air refueling? If fitted with tanks and a probe/ drogue?
Would be a great force multiplier and extend F35B combat range and endurance.
Otherwise this will be a great addition to a carrier strike group.
It’s not noted as a mission set specifically in the same way the AEW etc. is. But it’s plumbed for drop tanks, so potentially could use similar refuelling pods to the ones that Super Hornets use.
Yeah, sounds promising, doesn’t it?! That said, I doubt just 2 leaves a lot fo space for too much maintenance, so I’d go for 3-5 on a QE carrier if you want persistent AEW…
Very interesting indeed.
The request reads ‘It’s stated that the requirement is for “a manned air platform ‘
So they are after a manned platform, with crew and support, to emulate an UAS for training purposes. Doesn’t look like they’re after the same thing as the Navy at all.
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This ticks all the boxes
Absolutely.
Might need a new pilot mind.
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Yes, I think they are just looking for a light aircraft and aircrew to simulate drone attack profiles and equipment and that will then feed into specifying the performance requirements for the actual drone.
“please note that the above image is a generic file photo of a drone”
Not just any drone though. That’s a Kratos Valkyrie. They have to reuse the names for drones and drone related project, because all the other words beginning with v have been taken.
However I don’t get how a “manned air platform” with “aircrew” is best described as a drone?
Drone with a base station and remote aircrew?
Could it possibly refer to man in loop, as in controlled via a ground station for ground support missions.
They want a manned air platform to simulate drone flights which will then build the specification requirements for the drone itself.
I think it will be a case of the troops on the ground practicing calling in drone strikes or recon which will be performed by a manned light aircraft and this will help develop the tactics of how the troops would C&C a real drone.
Off topic: while I was paging through the contracts (not sure if I’m bored or just nerdy), I noticed one to extend the life of the training ship TV Sir Tristram to 2026 and to add certain improvements. Tristram is the last of the Round Table logistics class, which preceeded the Bays. She served in the RFA in the Falklands, Gulf War, Iraq, Balkans, and the anti-invasion operation off British Honduras in the early 70s, and in 2026 she’ll be 60 years old.
The improvements include “LED lighting with dimmer and adjustable light colour to green and red.” I realize this is probably a safety feature, but my first thought was disco! I’m sure I can scout out an old mirror ball if it will help.
“Smiles”
They might be giving Sir Tristram a make-over so they can flog it to the Brazilians. Contract value?
Between £600,000 and £700,000.
She’s permanently moored off the coast these days as a special forces training vessel. Long past any trips to South America I’d have thought.
She would be hard pressed to get outside the Portland breakwater!
Newer than the Russky ships, then. The salvage ship they sent to the Moskva was of pre-WW1 vintage:
I had not heard of the salvage operation. What were the Russians seeking to recover from the wreck?
Navigation lights so she can pretend to reverse direction instantly?
There was an article on this a few weeks ago here on UKDJ.
Thanks. I missed it.
NVGs dont like red lighting so the ideal colour is green for NVG ops. RN flight deck lighting is green for this very reason. Putting red into the mix will allow better training as civvy ships and other nations vessels may not be NVG capable and have red lighting for night time. Its more realistic training …your NVG is degraded so its back to Mk 1 eyeball.
Cool. Thanks. Sent me off down a Google rabbit hole I was previously unaware of, regarding red vs green light for low-light sensitivity.
Why not buy a complete Bayraktar TB2 drone set (6x drones + ground stations) for a reported $67 million? It is well proven & affordable.
It’s Turkish. Maybe that’s the issue. Or it isn’t what they want.
I would be insistent that this capability has to be built in the U.K.
drones maybe needed to be bought and produced quickly to fill gaps and this will only get more so as time moves on. It has to be something that can be quickly replaced. Laser printed, modular or whatever buzz word is today.
If you are going to buy hundreds, then yes UK build, but if you only want one mission set, then buy off the shelf.
Yes would have thought it would teach more about potential for a platform of this nature than what this plan seems to offer and closer to the actual technology involved surely. This plan seems to be 5 years too late and hardly suggests we will have something usable if an actual prototype and then production models are expected to follow as a result of any lessons learned much before the end of the decade. Unless of course by working out their strategy for such a platform they simply then buy something off the shelf, though we all know how they love to rework such technology with all the costs and delays that involves.
John,
Hope you dont mind, But I read this the other month: (Note will self delete after 7 days)
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Airforces monthly June 2022. That is where the $67m figure comes from. The price to Poland.
Is range an issue for the TB2?
IIRC it includes (included?) some reused-without-permission UK technology.
It includes some licensed UK bomb rack technology though theres instances of crashed ones having been found using UK manufactured electronics as well.
The Range issue for the TB2 is communication. It only has a radio range of 300km which limits how far it can fly from its departure point. The Turks have kind of got round recently for their own ones by relaying control signals from one of their commercial TV sats but that limits its operational footprint to Eastern Europe and the Middle East and utilizing a Sat TV channel for broadcasts wouldn’t be considered secure or unjammable communication to a Western power (plus its one way communication, so you lose realtime video feeds).
Thought I read somewhere a new or greatly upgraded version is being launched for their own use at least.
Yes, thats the piggybacking on TV sats version.
A big reason why I was less dismissive than some when the UK government bought a big stake in OneWeb. A lot of the mainstream media were reporting that acquisition as being aimed at proving a solution to the UK losing access to the EU Galileo GPS system where yes, there are potential technical issues to overcome to get the required accuracy, but as a high bandwidth low latency comms system with extremely wide planetary coverage once the constellation is fully built out it becomes an ideal platform for full 2-way near real-time (under 50mS latency) drone communications. Sadly (in my view) the UK government’s stake has been watered down now because of subsequent rounds of investment by other parties but I believe the UK still has a golden share (or equivalent) that allows it to veto new investors and/or users of the service.
What has been gained from the Ukraine war is the value of many super cheap drones not expensive hi tech UAV’s. Even if the enemy expend a SAM to take out a cheap drone, its an economic win and is one less SAM available for delivery to an F35 or similar. What happened to the swarming drone idea?
It’s all there David, spear 3 will effectively be a single use set of focused swarm drones.
It certainly will Jonathan, an absolute game changer…
As we have discussed before, a Thypoon can apparently carry 16 Spear3 in a max load out, imagine 12 Typhoons, all geared up with Spear 3!
Launching from a wide angle at 60 odd miles away ( or further) the missiles will de-conflict with each other hunting for high value targets and ignoring spoofing countermeasures, before diving vertically down on their targets.
You can effectively destroy the combat capability of an entire Armoured Regiment, literally ripping it’s guts out, with just 12 fighters in one airstrike!
So many will arrive over the target area, no amount of active counter measures or SAM protection will help, you might stop a quarter of them if you are lucky… It won’t be enough to stop an Armoured formation being taken out of the fight.
Perhaps the age of massed Armoured formations really is coming to an end…
Agreed but don’t tell the donkey wallopers.
Yes interesting prospect. I guess the real question will be whether 60 mile or so range will be sufficient for that prospect to materialise or whether the parent aircraft especially if not stealthy will be too vulnerable, at least till air defences are greatly neutralised. All in the timing I guess. Now if you have parent drones firing them off (potentially loyal wingmen perhaps though not exclusively) that would truly be judgement day for the opposition ground forces. We need to get to that scenario asap. An important element however will be the prospective hostile Electronic Warfare defences they would be up against in any conflict and that aspect presently is undoubtedly gaining enormous amounts of data from aircraft and drones flying over the Black Sea presently.
Spear 3 is being considered for an EW variant. Built in Jammer with kamikaze option into the transmitter when its done its job.
That will be where the quantum communication comes into effect. In theory present EW would not be able to impact on quantum communication as you need to depolarise the transmitted entangled photons, which you can only do by directly impacting on those photons with a barrier between the transmitting unit and receiving unit that effects the visible light spectrum, as the Chinese have sent entangled particles 1200km down through the vacuum atmosphere interface and experimental work cross the air water and cross water ( modelling suggest you can prevent depolarisation of the photons across around 900meters of water). EW Impacts on comms will at some point become ineffective once the military application of quantum communication via entangled photons is fully realised.
Perhaps the integration of Spear3 should be prioritised on multiple platforms before spending yet more money on yet more “proofs of concept”? Effectively Spear3 IS a drone, but there doesn’t seem to be the rush to get it into service like there is on more experiments.
Even Brimstone 2 or 3 is of the same ilk as Spear3, and should haven fitted to almost everything by now?
Don’t forget the Aeralis concept aircraft…unmanned options…modular…likely agile and blah blah, what’s become of that. So many U.k options out there. Even the Humble Banshee drone, a workmanlike proven UAV, perhaps with a bit of tweaking?
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There is absolutely tremendous capability with this system, no doubt.
As Gunbuster mentioned, the co developed EW variant, launched with a swarm of Spear3 will cut a swathe through anyone’s defences in depth.
The UK apparently has no plans to reverse the SDSR 2021 force structure, so what can we extrapolate from that?
First option, the next SDSR will be in the next parliament, so they kick it into the long grass for the next PM to try and figure it out, absolutely typical political manoeuvring….
Second option, they ‘tweak’ SDSR21 and ensure large numbers of Spear3/EW are available and delivered asap.
That allows us to kick the door open with a high end capability, to allow other NATO members to push mass through the gap…
Basically, are we staying small, agile and well equipped, or rebuilding mass across all three services … Answers on a postcard….
John,
After 9/11 the previous SDR was revised with a ‘New Chapter’ added. I wonder if this will happen after the current Russo-Ukraine war(the tweak you mention), as many things have changed. After all, the tank and other AFVs are clearly obsolete and all armies must now re-equip with thousands of nice and cheap drones instead!
That new chapter in 2004 involved the reduction of the RN from 31 to 25 escorts and the chopping of several RAF fast jet squadrons, and much more. Armour and artillery was all cut from the army as 4th Armoured Bde became 4th Mechanized Bde and 19th Mechanized Bde ended up as 19th Light then was cut completely years later. The numerous UOR’s at the time were a panicked reaction to a shortage of everything from suitable rapidly deployable armoured vehicles to support helicopters ( 6 Danish Merlins )
If there is a “new chapter” then God help us.
At least there are good indications many more Boxer will be ordered. Having more than a pop gun on the roof would be nice.
Seems a bizarre rationale to cut the armed forces because The Global War on Terror started.
We need an awful lot of Boxers to replace remaining FV430s (not just Bulldogs) and Warriors. Anything less than a 30-40mm stabilised cannon on each Infantry troop-carrying Boxer would be a seriously retrograde step.
If massed armoured formations are obsolete, what does the army (any army) replace its heavy, medium and light AFVs with?
A mix of manned ( Boxer ) and the greater amount unmanned vehicles, which the army keeps experimenting with but no sign of any orders yet despite their own Concept 2035 force having 3 divisions of the things!
I was SO2(W) at RARDE’s VT4 (Unmanned Vehicles) branch in 1989-90. We had so many functional Technology Demonstrator vehicles in R&D development, some of it 15-20 years ahead of civilian R&D, ranging up to a tele-operated MBT. Can’t think why the army still needs to be faffing about in 2022!
I agree if the Russians are showing us anything it’s that they will generally lose the technology war ( certainly against NATO on a day to day basis but if they can stay in the battle long enough they may just be able to win with ancient kit simply because the opposition eventually runs out of its superior kit while they store Soviet era ‘rubbish’ in almost endless supply. That said they no longer have the manpower they once had to lose over a long drawn out conflict.
Let’s see how long their munitions tail holds up for!
I would be surprised if they get through the ancient ammunition that is still serviceable pretty quickly.
Then you are down to unmotivated and poorly lead men with AK47’s.
As the Ukrainians say if they could get rid of the last bits of Russian armour then they could roll up the troops quite fast.
I think it will come down to bodies and national will at the end of it.
Also, the creeping Russian advance has ground to a virtual halt. That must be making little big man Putin sweat, because the Ukrainian summer is hot and short, come early October, the temperature will rapidly slide and mud will return.
At this point, the Ukrainians will revert to their previous operating procedures and attack in depth, via small agile mobile units, decimating Russian supply lines and wearing down the enemy battalions.
I personally think it’s what they are waiting for, the newly rebuilt Armoured formations and new Western 155mm Artillery, plus MLRS can be used to full effect….
Russian losses will go through the roof, the Ukrainians can launch offensive operations in critical areas, push the Russians back around the coast and roll them back over the boarder.
Personally, I would make major efforts to push the Russians out of the Crimea too.
The Russians could generate manpower by formally declaring war and mobilising the Reserves – or use tactical nukes.
The Chinese have been doing military exercises close to the Russian border. If all Russian forces move to Ukraine, it leaves the back door in Siberia wide open. China has long wanted the raw materials/resources of Siberia.
I would be hesitant at using any conflict as a prescription for the future of warfare because that relies on the other side not developing effective counters in response to the weaknesses exposed through their use in action.
In the case of cheap drones such as the TB2 used very successfully by Ukraine, I’m sure in the next 5 years, we’ll have far better anti-UAV as well as loitering munitions weapons. Plus, we also don’t know how much of that was because of ineptitude on the Russian side, and how well that would translate to other conflicts (eg is a super cheap UAV currently really a threat to a modern major surface combatant like a Type 052 or 055?)
But in any case, the UK (just as an example, but many, if not most other nations are too) is already investing in several types of counters to such weapons, which are all relatively low-cost per intercept. Both army and navy are investing in directed energy weapons research. The navy is moving towards small-medium calibre point defence weapons for the Type 31. Both army and navy have bought into CAMM (though it’s nowhere near the $100,000-150,000 per intercept of systems like Iron Dome, it’s still MUCH cheaper than even a TB2).
And that’s before considering improvements to electronic countermeasures etc.
Are they going to look like bats?
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That looks nothing like a cricket bat !
What will be interesting is the concept of small drones and swarming linked using things like quantum communication and quantum keys for secure very fast transmission of lots of data and using heuristic learning. It’s likely an human manned platforms could and would end up losing situational awareness in such an environment as well as suffer such one sided attrition. Give it 20 years and we are going to see traditional very expensive manned platforms as little more that a key node or oversight, that will be on land air and sea, even an infantry man or woman will inevitably have a number of micro drones to aid awareness, but it’s going to be heuristic learning and the leaps on quantum comms as well as miniaturisation that will mean a step change in Warfare as well as most others things, already there are heuristic learning systems that are better at differential diagnosis of complex diseases ( such as early cancer diagnosis) that a human consultant and diagnosis is one of the most complex thought process we do, how will a tank survive a swarm of 20 or more brick sized drones with shaped charges all working together to hit the correct spot to knock it out, an infantryman fight a load of tennis ball sized drones with a small charge.
I see the Army have ordered some quantum computers to test the possibilities for their tanks as a starter and beyond should they prove useful. Long term project mind as we are in the stone age of such technology presently.
Feels pretty obvious this is to buy one or more of something like the Diamond DA2 with EO/IR turret for use in training as a Watchkeeper/TB2 surrogate that can be safely used in UK airspace (e.g. over Salisbury Plain) for training.
This contract is not acquiring an operational system.
I see Aeralis now has a vtail option. they appear to be increasing their offering
https://aeralis.com/
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You mean they have added another picture to their PowerPoint Presentation – I couldn’t see it in the link you posted though.
Maybe it is just another line on their Word Document and hasn’t made it as far as the PowerPoint phase yet.
They now have a factory in Bristol to make said powerpoint items :). Found a screen grab for you.
Best way to approach these type of projects is the same as the software industry. You go agile, do a couple of design sprints to spec a minimum viable product then build in sprints. You can then enhance through more sprints.
You can also learn quicker, fly fail fix approach when you haven’t invested much. OK you’ll start with something like a TB2 to start but that’s better than waiting years for a gold plated drone that ends up over priced and niche to UK or worse still gets canned and we end up with a foreign product.
These contracts are all flowing from the retirement of Hawk. FAC training, target emulation, aggressor are all roles the old bird carried out.
Are those ex S Korean Hawk MK 67 still for sale? Would fill the gap cheaply.
Still listed on globalplanesearch.
It Says ‘Manned’ so why simulate, why not buy PC-21 or A-29 can be used to train/simulate CAS and if required actualy shoot stuff both should be able to mount 4 of the triple brimstone launchers under wings?
Jay, how does a drone seize and hold ground, as a tank does, in concert with mounted infantry? How does a drone avoid being shot down or jammed?
Can a drone dominate ground for days/weeks?
John Hartley says: a Bayraktar TB2 drone set (6x drones + ground stations) would set you back $67 million? That would buy you about 7x Leo2A7s. Which is better?
It has always been the case in warfare that you have multiple equipments that can do a similar job – there are many ways to kill or disable a tank or other AFV. Best to have a mix of weapon systems. If the tank is obsolete why has only Belgium got rid of them?