The UK and Ukraine have signed a new defence agreement to encourage cooperation on defence and industrial issues.

George Allison
George has a degree in Cyber Security from Glasgow Caledonian University and has a keen interest in naval and cyber security matters and has appeared on national radio and television to discuss current events. George is on Twitter at @geoallison

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  1. All to be congratulated and applauded, but in reality the future of Ukraine is 100% in Trumps hands, he will unfortunately decide the outcome of Russia’s aggression.

    • The EU now has a say also, their collective donations are well ahead of the US if you consider both financial and miltiary aid.

      Germany took a while to get started but their overall military donations are now twice ours and the overall EU is still significant, even if focused on miliatry aid alone they are well behind the US.

      Trump won’t start making an impact until next year, the key period is this year, if aid doesn’t arrive soon they won’t make it to Trump in a position where they can fight back.

      The issue is all the aid is taking time to deliver the kit needed, for example the czech shell deal hasn’t yet actually delivered the shells.

    • I don’t think so, Europe actually out produces the US in terms of artillery and Europe won’t let Ukraine fall.

      It will be significantly more bloody and longer without US support though.

    • If anyone is still in doubt on Trump being in Putins hands (and I know there are some on this site) I have a bridge to sell you…

      • I think it’s a lot more simple to be honest….

        He sees things a very simplistic childlike way, he’s an absolutely textbook delusional narcissist of ‘at best’ average intelligence and has absolutely no moral compass to guide his decision making.

        He will view Ukraine as something he can ‘fix’ with one summit without breaking a sweat, what’s more worrying is he will absolutely believe it to be the case…

        Just look at the fanfare re his meeting with lil Kim in Korea, lots of flannel and it changed absolutely nothing, just the meeting of two nutters!

        Probably just as well he likes Britain Jonny!

        Alternatively we have sleepy Joe!
        No better, just in different ways, oh, and he hates Britain!

  2. Ok. Now get what they need rapidly.
    Labour were on the sky news saying defence spending to be 2.5% of gdp. Not read it all yet. It’s a real own goal the tories should have done it ages ago. It was 2.5% when labour left

      • Well apart from The Torys are the current incumbents and therefore we can judge them on actions….and they have been found wanting.

        • Not really Grizzler, Starmer might well have said he was going bto give every adult in the UK a million pound cheque “when it can be afforded”, it’s simple political spin bullshit and means nothing.

          • yes but he didnt say that did he..so thats a pointless statement.
            I was just identifying that we can only judge on what has happpened- not what may happen- and the Torys have not done a good job on defence.

          • No more pointless than promising to ‘spend 2.5%’ when we arrive at some mythical yet to be defined magical sunlit upland at the end of the rainbow Grizzler…

            My point being that Starmer has actually promised absolutely nothing whatsoever, sod all, zip…..

            Defence is way down his order of priorities, way, way, way, way down and he needs to find the cash for his day dream ‘Great British Energy Company’ first, as well as apparently taking over parenting responsibilities for feeding the children of the nation…

          • Two different arguments.
            Again just to clarify I am only identifying that we should not conflate the the possiblity (however strong) that Labour wont walk the walk with the fact that the Torys have definately NOT walked the walk.
            Just to be clear I have not expressed an opinion erither way

          • You’ve more confidence than me Grizzler, personally I see absolutely no difference between the two, two sides of the same rotten Westminster coin…

        • The tories have failed defence in my view. They took over 2.5% when they came to office, cut cut cut, added previous costs that weren’t included just to keep the budget looking like it was over 2%.
          We knew in 2010 the peace game was over. 2014 we it got reinforced its over. 2021 even the blind could see the peaceful times were over.
          Now folks say try reform! The party that don’t have a defence plan and just sacked a candidate for inactivity, turns out he’s been dead for ages. They are not the answer

          • Well I can’t in good conscience vote Tory and certainly not Labour.

            Two different shades of Socialism that refuse to admit there’s no money in the pot. They both plan to just borrow and spend and hope for the best without the root and branch reform needed.

            Reform is new, finding it’s feet still. They actually seem to have some pride in the UK ( shock horror) and arn’t simpering apologists for our shared history like the others….

            A growing raft of common sense policies, god forbid that can’t be right!!

          • The Options For Change defence review in summer 1990 re-sized (ie dramatically cut) the armed forces to fit the peaceful post-Cold War world – to give the peace dividend.
            The very next year we were fighting at divisional strength with RAF support on Op Granby! Then came multiple kinetic operations in the Balkans in the 90s, a second Gulf War and a long deployment in Afghanistan, the most dangerous country on earth.

            The peace game was over in 1991!

      • Indeed. And since it can be afforded now just as well as at any other time, neither party is making any commitments at all.

        • Yep, we have two parties who are more interested in their grubby party politics than the real danger facing the West.

          Neither care a jot, it’s obvious in their utter inaction….

        • If it can be afforded labour will do it and the tories are stalling if we take what say as true.
          In the article they say it’s a war of production and we need to unleash industrial capacity.
          Where? Where’s the armoured vehicle production? Where the new arms plants. Where’s the money?
          There is capacity now but it’s not being used.

          • The money must be tucked away somewhere else. They’ve also got to rein in on serious money wastage. The numbers reported on various posts here over time are astronomical. Need to lift with more financial oversight and project management discipline.

        • Much of the issue has been the BOE and the OBR saying the UK would be in one of the worst recessions in its history that’s suddenly failed to materialise.

          Jeremy *unt for the Tory’s and Rachel Reeves for Labour( ex Bank of England economist) have both jumped in this band wagon that the UK is broke.

          An inquiry has been called at the BOE lead by Ben bernakie to ascertain why the banks forecasts are so bad and so far off the mark. It’s down to bad models and old software not to mention the general anti UK sentiment in most London based and global institutions post Brexit.

          The IMF has also gone out of its way to call multiple recession in the UK that did not happen.

        • They’re not saying anything Jim, no matter how much you would like them to. I say again…no different from the Tories.

      • They cannot say anything else…if they did the media and conservatives would be on them like a rash..about profligate spending

          • Sadly people don’t want the truth..they want their politicians to tell them “it will all be ok” and “it’s the bad peoples fault”….the truth does not win elections.

          • Problem in the UK is that greater than 50% of the population take more in benefits than they pay in tax, until that is solved there is no money. Not an easy sell, even the most right wing minded person would not advocate making people homeless/starving because they’re not working (or earning enough) to support themselves.

            The truth on affordability goes back to government priorities, budgeting should be made so much more transparent to the average person, you have 100% of GDP, each department should have what percentage? That would get a more sensible answer answer than the surveys asking should more be spent on the NHS, the general answer from most people is yes, but the next question that’s never asked is which budget should be raided to pay for it.

    • A bit of a silly comment but why call it ‘Dragon Fire” when it’s a laser beam? Too late to change but “Fire Eye” or “Fire Light” anyone?

    • Shapps is misguided. This needs huge power input, such as can be found on a RN frigate. We will not send a frigate with DragonFire to UKR and UKR does not have any frigates of their own, as I understand.

      We probably only have one frigate kitted out with a developmental weapon.

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