The UK and Ukraine have signed a new defence agreement to encourage cooperation on defence and industrial issues.

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George has a degree in Cyber Security from Glasgow Caledonian University and has a keen interest in naval and cyber security matters and has appeared on national radio and television to discuss current events. George is on Twitter at @geoallison
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Val
Val
4 days ago

Always “the” before UK. The UK!

Jonathan
Jonathan
3 days ago
Reply to  Val

Indeed, “the” is a definitive article.

Graham M
Graham M
3 days ago
Reply to  Val

We always used to put “the” before Ukraine as well!

Jonny
Jonny
3 days ago
Reply to  Graham M

That’s because it was carried over from the Russian way of saying it. We rightfully moved away from that to respect Ukraines sovereignity.

John Clark
John Clark
4 days ago

All to be congratulated and applauded, but in reality the future of Ukraine is 100% in Trumps hands, he will unfortunately decide the outcome of Russia’s aggression.

Steve
Steve
4 days ago
Reply to  John Clark

The EU now has a say also, their collective donations are well ahead of the US if you consider both financial and miltiary aid. Germany took a while to get started but their overall military donations are now twice ours and the overall EU is still significant, even if focused on miliatry aid alone they are well behind the US. Trump won’t start making an impact until next year, the key period is this year, if aid doesn’t arrive soon they won’t make it to Trump in a position where they can fight back. The issue is all the aid… Read more »

Last edited 4 days ago by Steve
Jim
Jim
4 days ago
Reply to  John Clark

I don’t think so, Europe actually out produces the US in terms of artillery and Europe won’t let Ukraine fall.

It will be significantly more bloody and longer without US support though.

Graham M
Graham M
3 days ago
Reply to  John Clark

…if he gets back into power, of course.

Grizzler
Grizzler
3 days ago
Reply to  Graham M

yeah….

Jonny
Jonny
3 days ago
Reply to  John Clark

If anyone is still in doubt on Trump being in Putins hands (and I know there are some on this site) I have a bridge to sell you…

John Clark
John Clark
3 days ago
Reply to  Jonny

I think it’s a lot more simple to be honest…. He sees things a very simplistic childlike way, he’s an absolutely textbook delusional narcissist of ‘at best’ average intelligence and has absolutely no moral compass to guide his decision making. He will view Ukraine as something he can ‘fix’ with one summit without breaking a sweat, what’s more worrying is he will absolutely believe it to be the case… Just look at the fanfare re his meeting with lil Kim in Korea, lots of flannel and it changed absolutely nothing, just the meeting of two nutters! Probably just as well… Read more »

Last edited 3 days ago by John Clark
Frank62
Frank62
21 hours ago
Reply to  John Clark

Sad so many Americans can’t see him for the Quiseling & crook he is.

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
4 days ago

Ok. Now get what they need rapidly.
Labour were on the sky news saying defence spending to be 2.5% of gdp. Not read it all yet. It’s a real own goal the tories should have done it ages ago. It was 2.5% when labour left

Geoff Roach
Geoff Roach
4 days ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

The key phrase is ” when it can be afforded” so no different from the Tories.

Grizzler
Grizzler
4 days ago
Reply to  Geoff Roach

Well apart from The Torys are the current incumbents and therefore we can judge them on actions….and they have been found wanting.

John Clark
John Clark
4 days ago
Reply to  Grizzler

Not really Grizzler, Starmer might well have said he was going bto give every adult in the UK a million pound cheque “when it can be afforded”, it’s simple political spin bullshit and means nothing.

Grizzler
Grizzler
3 days ago
Reply to  John Clark

yes but he didnt say that did he..so thats a pointless statement.
I was just identifying that we can only judge on what has happpened- not what may happen- and the Torys have not done a good job on defence.

John Clark
John Clark
3 days ago
Reply to  Grizzler

No more pointless than promising to ‘spend 2.5%’ when we arrive at some mythical yet to be defined magical sunlit upland at the end of the rainbow Grizzler…

My point being that Starmer has actually promised absolutely nothing whatsoever, sod all, zip…..

Defence is way down his order of priorities, way, way, way, way down and he needs to find the cash for his day dream ‘Great British Energy Company’ first, as well as apparently taking over parenting responsibilities for feeding the children of the nation…

Grizzler
Grizzler
3 days ago
Reply to  John Clark

Two different arguments.
Again just to clarify I am only identifying that we should not conflate the the possiblity (however strong) that Labour wont walk the walk with the fact that the Torys have definately NOT walked the walk.
Just to be clear I have not expressed an opinion erither way

John Clark
John Clark
3 days ago
Reply to  Grizzler

You’ve more confidence than me Grizzler, personally I see absolutely no difference between the two, two sides of the same rotten Westminster coin…

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
4 days ago
Reply to  Grizzler

The tories have failed defence in my view. They took over 2.5% when they came to office, cut cut cut, added previous costs that weren’t included just to keep the budget looking like it was over 2%.
We knew in 2010 the peace game was over. 2014 we it got reinforced its over. 2021 even the blind could see the peaceful times were over.
Now folks say try reform! The party that don’t have a defence plan and just sacked a candidate for inactivity, turns out he’s been dead for ages. They are not the answer

John Clark
John Clark
4 days ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

Well I can’t in good conscience vote Tory and certainly not Labour.

Two different shades of Socialism that refuse to admit there’s no money in the pot. They both plan to just borrow and spend and hope for the best without the root and branch reform needed.

Reform is new, finding it’s feet still. They actually seem to have some pride in the UK ( shock horror) and arn’t simpering apologists for our shared history like the others….

A growing raft of common sense policies, god forbid that can’t be right!!

Graham M
Graham M
3 days ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

The Options For Change defence review in summer 1990 re-sized (ie dramatically cut) the armed forces to fit the peaceful post-Cold War world – to give the peace dividend.
The very next year we were fighting at divisional strength with RAF support on Op Granby! Then came multiple kinetic operations in the Balkans in the 90s, a second Gulf War and a long deployment in Afghanistan, the most dangerous country on earth.

The peace game was over in 1991!

Ian
Ian
4 days ago
Reply to  Geoff Roach

Indeed. And since it can be afforded now just as well as at any other time, neither party is making any commitments at all.

John Clark
John Clark
4 days ago
Reply to  Ian

Yep, we have two parties who are more interested in their grubby party politics than the real danger facing the West.

Neither care a jot, it’s obvious in their utter inaction….

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
4 days ago
Reply to  Ian

If it can be afforded labour will do it and the tories are stalling if we take what say as true.
In the article they say it’s a war of production and we need to unleash industrial capacity.
Where? Where’s the armoured vehicle production? Where the new arms plants. Where’s the money?
There is capacity now but it’s not being used.

Quentin D63
Quentin D63
3 days ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

The money must be tucked away somewhere else. They’ve also got to rein in on serious money wastage. The numbers reported on various posts here over time are astronomical. Need to lift with more financial oversight and project management discipline.

Jim
Jim
4 days ago
Reply to  Ian

Much of the issue has been the BOE and the OBR saying the UK would be in one of the worst recessions in its history that’s suddenly failed to materialise. Jeremy *unt for the Tory’s and Rachel Reeves for Labour( ex Bank of England economist) have both jumped in this band wagon that the UK is broke. An inquiry has been called at the BOE lead by Ben bernakie to ascertain why the banks forecasts are so bad and so far off the mark. It’s down to bad models and old software not to mention the general anti UK sentiment… Read more »

Jim
Jim
4 days ago
Reply to  Geoff Roach

Yes but atleast they are saying it now. That’s an improvement on before.

Geoff Roach
Geoff Roach
3 days ago
Reply to  Jim

They’re not saying anything Jim, no matter how much you would like them to. I say again…no different from the Tories.

Jonathan
Jonathan
3 days ago
Reply to  Geoff Roach

They cannot say anything else…if they did the media and conservatives would be on them like a rash..about profligate spending

Geoff Roach
Geoff Roach
3 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

They could try telling the truth, novel though that would be.

Jonathan
Jonathan
3 days ago
Reply to  Geoff Roach

Sadly people don’t want the truth..they want their politicians to tell them “it will all be ok” and “it’s the bad peoples fault”….the truth does not win elections.

Adrian
Adrian
3 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Problem in the UK is that greater than 50% of the population take more in benefits than they pay in tax, until that is solved there is no money. Not an easy sell, even the most right wing minded person would not advocate making people homeless/starving because they’re not working (or earning enough) to support themselves. The truth on affordability goes back to government priorities, budgeting should be made so much more transparent to the average person, you have 100% of GDP, each department should have what percentage? That would get a more sensible answer answer than the surveys asking… Read more »

Geoff Roach
Geoff Roach
3 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

👍😕

Andrew D
Andrew D
2 days ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

Wouldn’t really trust what Labour say on Defence , just like government now no interest. 😞

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
3 days ago

I read somewhere that dragon fire is on its way to Ukraine. Great to get operational testing

Quentin D63
Quentin D63
3 days ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

A bit of a silly comment but why call it ‘Dragon Fire” when it’s a laser beam? Too late to change but “Fire Eye” or “Fire Light” anyone?

Grizzler
Grizzler
3 days ago
Reply to  Quentin D63

bit of a silly comment

Ian M
Ian M
3 days ago
Reply to  Quentin D63

Because the name “Dragon Fire” alludes to it’s destructive capabilities.
🙄

Graham M
Graham M
3 days ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

Shapps is misguided. This needs huge power input, such as can be found on a RN frigate. We will not send a frigate with DragonFire to UKR and UKR does not have any frigates of their own, as I understand.

We probably only have one frigate kitted out with a developmental weapon.

Frank62
Frank62
20 hours ago
Reply to  Graham M

I think it’s more likely to be fitted to land instalations/city defences against Russian bombardments of missiles & drones.

Last edited 20 hours ago by Frank62
Graham M
Graham M
1 minute ago
Reply to  Frank62

So far it has only been engineered to fit on frigates.