The Ministry of Defence has announced the rollout of laser weapons systems far quicker than expected, following defence procurement reforms, with DragonFire to be on Royal Navy warships from 2027.
The cutting-edge DragonFire laser will be installed on Royal Navy warships for the first time from 2027.
Able to fire at any target visible in the air at around Ā£10 a shot and with an accuracy equivalent to hitting a pound coin from a kilometre away,Ā the powerful DragonFire weapon will provide highly effective defence against drone and missile threats.
“Laser weapons were originally expected to be rolled out to UK armed forces in 2032.Ā But underĀ a raft ofĀ reforms to defence procurementĀ that came into effect this week and prioritisation within Defence, the weapon will now be operational around five years earlier than planned.
A key part of the new reforms is delivering a minimum deployable capability quickly to personnel and finalising development once in-service, ensuring that personnel can access the tools they need for an evolving threat.Ā Under contract from Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (Dstl), on behalf of the UK MOD, DragonFire has been developed in collaboration with UK industry partners MBDA, Leonardo and QinetiQ.”
Defence Secretary, Grant Shapps said:
“In a more dangerous world, our approach to procurement is shifting with it. We need to be more urgent, more critical and more global.Ā
Our widespread reforms will deliver the latest kit and weaponry for our Armed Forces faster and help identify export opportunities that can boost the UK economy.Ā Ā
DragonFire shows the best of the UK at the forefront of military technology, and we will not delay in getting it in the hands of our military to face down the threats weāre facing.”
The reforms willĀ ensureĀ more consistent delivery for the UKās Armed Forces, helping avoid previous challenges where programmes have been over-complex, over-budget, and over time.
According to the Ministry of Defence, the new reforms include:
- New checks and balances such as the UK Strategic Command-based Integration Design Authority providing expert advice on integration. This will improve coherence and avoid some of the challenges faced in previous procurements.
- Greater empowerment of defence scientists, government export leads, finance experts and industry partners to challenge and shape proposals before they receive the go-ahead.Ā Ā
- The new model will set programmes up for success by consulting a wide range of experts early in the acquisition process. This will enable the MOD to take the right, expert-informed decisions from the start, saving time later on.Ā Ā
- Increased focus on exportability at the start of a new programme, to prioritise developing kit that can be sold to allies globally.Ā
- Earlier engagement with the UK defence industry to ensure quicker delivery of kit into the hands of our Armed Forces.Ā
DragonFireĀ has the potential to be a long-term low-cost alternative to certain tasks missiles currently carry out, such as shooting down attack drones.Investing in this cutting edge laser technology puts the UK at the forefront of defence capabilities. Moreover, playing a significant part in reducing the challenges faced by traditional stockpiles.
Dstlās Chief Executive Paul Hollinshead said:
“This is excellent news, and a real step forward in enabling operational advantage at pace for UK Defence. Dstl is all about preparing for the future and the DragonFire technology is a great example of that. Our scientists along with industry partners have worked tirelessly to bring laser technology to where it is today, one which I am proud to say is a UK sovereign capability.”
Hi folks hope all is well.
This is good news, I gather the issue about ship stability may be overcome to be able to fire at the target.
This on top of the announcement from Starmer an increase in defence spending to a miserable 2.5 percent of GDP when possible? No change from current government then. I personally would like to see c3 percent GDP to bring up to scratch current defence requirements. It’s amazing how we can speed up development with a threat at our door; 2032 now 2027 for Dragon Fire for implementation on ships, good!
Cheers
George
Directed Energy Warfare rapidly assuming centre stage at many frequencies on the electromagnetic spectrum, evidently. Alongside formidable power consumption requirements in the case of US SEWIP Block II & now Block III dominating superstructure on the Arleigh Burkes.
Pleased to see this even if 50kw is lesser to what the US are currently testing. Looks promising all the same.
Still, can we speed up delivery of the FCASW as well? š
The US started with this size laser but some years back so we are earlier in the trials process but also has to be taken into consideration other aspects not all lasers of the same power output are equal itās also what you can achieve within that power range which it seems DragonFire is exceptional at. I also read that the US are working on a range of systems and one such as recently as a few years back was working with lasers of this power range. That said when all things are equal, size and power does matter thereafter and itās good to hear that the aim here is to get a useful weapon on the new ships with the aim of building upon it over time and exploiting experience in real time conditions and no doubt upping the power in steps. This will speed up this technology and show where literally to put the energy with expectations such developments will work as itās not purely coming from lab or test conditions to operational ones in one large step. This is indeed a welcome change in UK methodology and I think SpaceX has had a some influence on this change in mindset generally in industry.
As for the apparent tracking/focusing advances in this platform I wonder if it has any overlap with recent advances leading to the announced successful test of concept encompassing tracking and beam accuracy within UK research into orbital solar panels, that require accurate tracking of the Sun (the easy bit) while being able to constantly manoeuvre antenna to accurately send microwave energy back to an Earth base station at the same time.
You hit the nail on the head. Dragonfire had to solve two critical issues. Firstly tracking a maneuvering target, whilst keeping the laser spot on a targeted area. Secondly being able to maintain the spot size on the target whilst it is maneuvering.
Ramping up the power and therefore the spot intensity is the easy bit. After all this a āfibre laserā. Where in a similar fashion to how AESA radars work by using constructive interference. By merging the 37 individual lasers, you can modulate the overall laserās output power and therefore the spot intensity. So in essence you could start increasing the number of lasers to generate more power.
The trials at the Hebrides range have shown it has solved both issues. However, the caveat, is that Dragonfire was used from a fixed land site. The next stage of testing would be, making sure it can achieve the same, when mounted to a ship, that is responding the actions of the sea.
Interesting to see it working on a warship manoeuvring hard in an Atlantic sell against a defensively moving airborne target…
I would hope dragonfire will be mounted, either side on T45’s mast. I would assume as much height as possible.
They need mounting the same way on the Carriers in my opinion.
The Aiming module shouldn’t be too heavy, especially with the fact that the actual laser module can be a distance away from the aiming module.
At least that and maybe getting the Sampson radar upgraded or replaced as an early technology for Type 83, would be a good capability gap coverage and maturing the technologies for the type 83s.
Of course the bean counters will likely have different opinions.
Pew pew! Wow. What a turn up for the books! Realistically what ships would be fitted with this capability? Obv T45, T26 and T31, but in addition,? Is there room and gen capacity on a T23? Carriers would be a welcome fit. Stores ships? B2 opv…..
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Wasnāt there supposed to have been a test regime of some laser platform this year on a T-23 which was cancelled. It seems for once that cancellation might have actually been a positive rather than negative sign.
Well Iām just glad we are building ships with lots of modern Generating capacity.
QE, T26 and T45 should all be fine. Not too sure about the T31 and as for the T23 Iād doubt it.
There are very good reasons that RR MT30 GTs are a real U.K. export success Italy, USN, Japan, Korea, Australia, Canada and the next one will probably be India. Says it all when the US picked them to power the US Zumwalt class.
Iāll be intrigued to see what they do with QE class if they fit lasers and EMALS, a very big PIP possibly.
I think the T31 has 4 RR/MTU power plants. It can run on 2 but needs 4 to sprint, so may be it can either fight or run but not both ļ»æšļ»æ.
But in reality if you have any spare power you can charge capacitors or batteries less power just means eithe lower fire rate or more time between recharges.
However I’d like to see Dragonfire as modular weapon so its fitted depending on the role and if needed could be deployed ashore. So a containerised power system should be part of the overall system options.
EMALS – to launch large/heavy drones?
The BBC are reporting Shapps wants to send it to Ukraine for live testing ? What is he on ? Heās actually talking some sense, Iām just not sure if they have enough Electricity.š¤
I hope the š¬š§ can get some export sales with this dew technology. Hope there’s no risk of it into falling into Russia’s hands and I do wonder why Shapps even needed mention to this. Why tell Russia and your potential adversaries all these things up front? Gone is any element of surprise!
As others mentioned, it’d be good if the two carriers will get these or at least some enhanced self defence armaments.
And any possible laser type pods available for the Typhoon’s and F35Bs? Okay, ssssssh, don’t need to tell anyone too much. š¤« Lol š
I think it will be a positive announcing this it will be under UK control and likely start by operating in the West or South of Ukraine near an Odessa. However I would be surprised if it happened any time soon it will need to be ruggedised I suspect so why not use it as a pr move. Despite often poor long term planning, support, financing and development systematic problems far too often, one thing however Britain is great at is getting things done when faced with a serious threat, something we have retained since WW2, so maybe they will surprise us once again. Big advantage over something like Patriot or other missile systems is its relatively smaller and less obvious footprint and now the Russians will be racing around wondering if, as and when it might become a factor. The more concerns they have the better real or imaginary.
Will generate its own electricity supply.
To be fair you could strap it straight into their power stations and call it humanitarian assistance.
Finally some sensible and good news.
A couple of those MK110 57mm guns wouldn’t go amiss either, those proximity fused airburst rounds would make light work of any swarm drone attacks.
The BBC is currently reporting this:
DragonFire: UK laser could be used against Russian drones on Ukraine front line
Sounds like the reforms add another level or two of reviews and committees. Faster? No chance.
Certainly feels like things that would either not have been bothered to be done (faster T26 and Dragonfire) now have an extra boost. Not clear about what exactly they are doing but the system works.
Shapps making promises about lasers that he will be very unlikely in the position to deliver. In other words, political fluff.
or he could of course just say nothing….and you could then highlight that instead.
Ouch!
They should better send it to Russia straight away to save moneys
Reading between the lines, it may very well end up in Ukraine sooner than you think.
Shappās has never chalked up any major achievements in any ministerial role to date. Why will defence be different?
Or is Michael Green or one of his other three aliases taking up the task?
I fail to see what if any gravitas or effective delivery skills this individual has?
He seems entirely unfit for any ministerial role
Regardless of timelines and proven function, this is a statement of belligerence from H.M.G. Good.
This sounds like spiral development. Bring a basic 70% effective system into service and then develop it in light of operational results… Smacks of how they operated during WW2..!
As for Grant Shapps’ suggestion that it could go to Ukraine we’ll see. Firstly, there appears to be an awful lot of optimism around Dragonfire after the most recent tests. Not knowing the details of the test program I cannot comment in detail, but given they are suggesting another 3 years before it will get onto RN ships even in a 70% effective format I would suggest they still have work to do and they may yet run into something unexpected. Hopefully, not the case.
As for sending some of these to Ukraine, it might not be impossible even with the damage being done to their national grid. If Dragonefire is a pulsed laser source and runs off capacitors the stated peak power of 50kw may not actually be the required continuous power supply from a generator… A quick search online did not yield any comment on the whether the laser is continuous wave or pulsed. My guess would be pulsed to achieve the peak power in such a small laser head, otherwise there is a significant risk of damaging the optics without a lot of cooling, but this is only a guess based on looking at published pictures.
For the record I have worked with lasers in the past.
Cheers CR
I would hope power pack is one of the weapon options. I think RR already have a ready to go PP they built for the US.
Quick web search ‘Rolls-Royce has successfully demonstrated ādeep magazineā power capability for directed energy applications’
From my understanding Dragonfire uses both. Dragonfire I believe has two laser systems. The first is like a ranging laser. Which is used to track the target. I think this could be a CW laser, as it doesnāt need high power.
The second laser is the main laser. This is a fibre laser, where 37 individual lasers are merged together to form a single laser beam of around 55kW.
As you may be aware, CW lasers are very good at continuously cutting through steel sheets for example. Where the head distance is measured in millimeters. However, they arenāt all that good at cutting through a sheet at distance in a short amount of time. Pulsed lasers are better for this. As you ramp up the spot intensity and release it in bursts. Therefore, if you have a high speed target that is maneuvering. You need the least amount of time to burn through the skin to get to the targetās innards. The burn through is dependent upon the targetās skin material, the spot intensity and the spotās focus. So a burst of high intensity energy will maximize the small amount of time on target and reduce the burn through time.
Does Dragonfire being a fibre laser as you say mean that the turret can be in a different place from the laser source?
It seems to me that having the turret as high up and exposed as possible would be very useful but you really don’t want the container that Dragonfire needs as the laser source really high up.
If you could use fibre optic cables or something then the source could be down with the other machinery below the water line and the beams taken up with cables to the turret to be fired.
Finally, the recognition that we need to build defence products that we can sell, something I’ve been adovcating on here for sometime now. Hopefully this thinking will extend beyond the current government.
Common sense mate, common sense.
About time too.the wait for the deployment of the system is just in time while the houthi drone attack is going on. This is the perfect environment for the live testing of it in a fairly benign condition the drones are slow medium altitude targets and the system needs to be able to deal with that kind of threat.
Someone has finally woken Those in power up not just Dragonfire but CIWs also needs beefing up as the sea is not a static fixture for just 1 defence weapon our adversaries will undoubtedly not just launch 1 missile or 1 Drone at a time
Just watched it on Forces new interesting
Still three years away. Thank goodness we are speeding up the fitting!
I imagine stability will be dealt with using established techniques. There must be some sort of bracketing and limitations but let’s face it most current UAV attacks are made pretty close to shore as opposed to the Atlantic. Everyone loves a laser but would there be a policy for using it on human targets? If so what sort of injuries would it inflict? Are we looking at a “Three body problem” industrial slicer on flesh?
Genuine question. Wonāt drones just carry a sub-munition that launches when the drone itself gets engaged by Dragonfire – Dragonfire itself could be targeted by the sub-munition, surely?
Unless Dragonfire targets the sub-munition first … boom !! 2 for one shot
Off topic, Naval Recognition is reporting MBDA is looking at doubling the range of Aster 15 (currently 30km?) with an 15EC interaction. Wonder if this is/was a possible option for the T45 upgrades instead of going for CAMM? Though only one per silo. Sorry to bring it up but just imagine the carriers with Aster and Samson, the former as on the French and Italian carriers. š
And buy some additional new Aster 30 for the T45s.