Nine ships, 5 squadrons of aircraft and 3,700 personnel will deploy to the Asia-Pacific region.

The deployment will include…

  • HMS Queen Elizabeth
  • HMS Diamond
  • HMS Defender
  • HMS Kent
  • HMS Richmond
  • RFA Tidespring
  • RFA Fort Victoria
  • USS The Sullivans
  • HNLMS Evertsen

In addition to

  • 815 Naval Air Squadron
  • 845 Naval Air Squadron
  • 820 Naval Air Squadron
  • 617 Squadron
  • VMFA-211

Plus 42 Commando, Royal Marines.

HMS Queen Elizabeth and her Carrier Strike Group will deploy to the Pacific later this year, you can read more about this by clicking here.

Prior to the deployment, it is understood that the carrier strike group will go through a work-up trial off the west Hebrides range sometime in early 2021.

It is understood that the deployment will see the Carrier Strike Group sail in the Mediterranean Sea, the Gulf and end up in the Pacific before returning home.

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Pete
Pete
2 months ago

And an undisclosed Astute class y/n ?

Levi Goldsteinberg
Levi Goldsteinberg
2 months ago
Reply to  Pete

Undoubtedly

Rudeboy1
Rudeboy1
2 months ago
Reply to  Pete

That will never be confirmed, but someone did say that HMS Ambush will be available in the same timeframe. I would expect a USN SSN to be skulking about when its in the Pacific region as the Chinese will likely not try and miss an opportunity to collect some signature intelligence, possibly with their own subs.

Mark B
Mark B
2 months ago
Reply to  Rudeboy1

Would the French like to take the opportunity to work with the Brits on such a mission?

Levi Goldsteinberg
Levi Goldsteinberg
2 months ago
Reply to  Mark B

Their rickety old subs won’t be deployed that far, no way

Nate m
Nate m
2 months ago

plus their French! at the sight of the enemy they will retreat and through baguettes and flirt with whatever hell thy could find! remember ww2?

Hermes
Hermes
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

You mean the war where the british flee at full speed while the french was in fight at dunkirk ?

Dont to be to proud because you are on an island…

John Clark
John Clark
2 months ago
Reply to  Hermes

Oh, now I like the French, but I really wouldn’t go ‘too far’ down the Dunkirk rabbit hole Hermes, that’s a bit of banter that could get nasty quickly and we don’t want that mate…..

David
David
2 months ago
Reply to  John Clark

Why not? Did not a young French Col bring the Germans to a halt later on? What he lacked was air power his name was…

(@Graham_Moore I think it was 51st that was put ashore again in France later in that year).

The English are not always a reliable ally, indeed, any Typhoon Baltic force deployed to Estonia WAS ordered to scarper and RTU in the UK in the event of conflict, leaving both UK and French forces bereft of air cover… again.

Nate m
Nate m
2 months ago
Reply to  David

erm i believe the hans stopped because of hitlers orders not the french plus there tanks couldn’t not match the fire power and protection and mobility of the panzar.

David Barry
David Barry
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

We’re not talking about Dunkirk 😉

John Clark
John Clark
2 months ago
Reply to  David

“The ‘British’ (not English) are not always a reliable Ally” Ah well, I tried not to go down the rabbit hole…… Let’s just stick to the 20th century here…. Britain paid a ‘massive’ price in holding the line in both word wars in Europe, we helped liberate Europe TWICE, with well over a million killed, we could have looked the other way and let Germany crack on, we didnt…. My family is no different form any other British family, two grandfather’s fought in France in WW2, one gassed, two Uncles in WW2, Army and Airforce …. One, fought in Italy,… Read more »

David Barry
David Barry
2 months ago
Reply to  John Clark

I’m not playing Top Trumps with you over losses caused by the Wars; indeed, it is a tad too simplistic to view things through the eyes of a victor.

There’s an argument Germany could have been held in / around Normandy by a French Col.

What was his name?

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
2 months ago
Reply to  Hermes

The British fought at Dunkirk too. 40,000 were left behind fighting a rearguard action with 40,000 from the French army. Many of those Brits were in 51st Highland Div:https://www.thenational.scot/news/15357629.the-sacrifice-of-the-51st-highland-division-and-the-other-side-of-dunkirk/

Nate m
Nate m
2 months ago
Reply to  Hermes

2 words: ” French bias”

Mark B
Mark B
2 months ago
Reply to  Hermes

Hermes the British forces were fighting alongside allied forces on the continent and we were all beaten in that battle but for us all to evacuate as many forces as possible allowed us all to win the war which was in the interests of all countries. Winston Churchill put it well I though:- ….However matters may go in France or with the French Government or with another French Government, we in this island and in the British Empire will never lose our sense of comradeship with the French people. If we are now called upon to endure what they have… Read more »

Paul T
Paul T
2 months ago

Not quite the Case – Emeraude (S604) recently finished a Deployment to the SCS,ancient it certainly is but it got there,once more Suffren’s enter Service they can contribute more.

Hermes
Hermes
2 months ago

Yes, not like a SSN is always with the CVN CDG on every mission.

You are the stereotype of the perfect english. You talk without think before.

Keith Dockrell
Keith Dockrell
2 months ago
Reply to  Mark B

God no. The French will insist on ripping up the plans and re-planning the entire operation to suit themselves, then cancel at the last moment and form their own CSG. As usually happens with everything else… the common frigate project… Eurofighter… the carrier project…

Last edited 2 months ago by Keith Dockrell
dan
dan
2 months ago
Reply to  Rudeboy1

Probably multiple USN SSNs in the region.

Lusty
Lusty
2 months ago

They should ask for a refund from whoever made that infographic, as they’ve used a Wave Class silhouette in place of a Tide Class, and a HM2 in place of a HC4.

In all serious though, this is shaping up rather nicely. Whatever your views on the cooperation with allies, it will certainly be impressive to see this lot operating at sea together. By the sounds of it, they have a lot of port visits and foreign engagements planned as well.

BZ to all involved.

Nate m
Nate m
2 months ago
Reply to  Lusty

still disappointed to find that we can’t make our own INDEPENDENT carrier strike group. what happened to the “great” in great Britain. Bojo really needs to get a better grip on things.

Nate m
Nate m
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

we can just be relying on our partners.

Steve R
Steve R
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

We CAN make our own independent carrier strike group; just because for this first deployment we’re choosing to sail with allies doesn’t mean we can’t do it alone.

The US Navy regularly sails with allied ships; does that mean they can’t operate alone?

The fact is that it’s far more likely in future that we will operate alongside allies; not only does it bolster numbers but a multinational force adds greater weight and legitimacy. And it makes sense for allies to work together in peacetime so that they can do so during war.

Nate m
Nate m
2 months ago
Reply to  Steve R

or is it jut that we don’t have enough vessels to create a “effective strike group”. This is not just a one off event. from the number of royal navy combat capable vessels shows we can not deliver a serious blow to an opposer. sure we have world class sailors but training will get you so far. even countries like India who is a 2nd world nation have a more lethal navy even without major training (not to be racist or anything). what I am trying to do is not to target a particular sector but address a more general… Read more »

Robert Blay.
Robert Blay.
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

What Part of 2 x T45, 2 x T23’s, RFA support, and one of the worlds deadliest Hunter killer nuclear Astute boats beneath the waves with TLAM capability and 5th gen all aspect stealth fighters isn’t efficient enough for you?. Name another country that can do that apart from America?

Nate m
Nate m
2 months ago
Reply to  Robert Blay.

ermm russia, china. INDIA!

James H
James H
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

Did you really say Russia!? And when did China or India do such a deployment with their carriers?

Nate m
Nate m
2 months ago
Reply to  James H

they didn’t. but they have the capabilities. and yes there old rickety INS Vikramaditya, admiral kuztanov and Lanzhou is cappable of this kinda missions.

RobW
RobW
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

I suggest looking at the current status of the Russian carrier. It will be scrapped before long.

Also the Chinese and Indian carriers are hampered by the aircraft they carry. The Indian carrier has mig-29s, ancient and rubbish. China has the J-15 which is a little better but no match for the F35.

Nate m
Nate m
2 months ago
Reply to  RobW

so why aren’t we at the top of the list behind other NATO allies in global fire power lists?

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

Because it is skewed and measures only manpower and platform numbers but not equipment quality, state of training, combat experience, readiness, support arrangements, quality of doctrine etc

Nate m
Nate m
2 months ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

but training can get u so far.

Nate m
Nate m
2 months ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

also the number of platform= the state of readiness and the ability engage an enemies at different levels.

Meirion X
Meirion X
2 months ago
Reply to  RobW

Totaly agree! Those type of aircraft cannot takeoff the deck with meaningful load!

Robert Blay
Robert Blay
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

They don’t have the capability. They don’t have 5th gen fighters to put to sea, nothing of the quality of a T45 or a T23, certainly nothing that comes close to a Astute class. And the don’t have the support and supply chain to sustain sending such a fleet to the far side of the world for a sustained period. A capable world class navy is much more than just simple numbers of vessels.

James
James
2 months ago
Reply to  Robert Blay

When you are are in the South China Sea the Chinese need no carriers to take out UK vessels . The have a swarm of corvettes frigates destroyers, plus land based anti ship missiles able to reach thousands of KM designed to take out carriers . Their ships are way more better armed . Get this” made in china ” cheap outdated mentality out of your head! China is keeping the Americans awake at night ? and is no match for an outdated type 23 and under armed few type 45, let’s get real people! I’m happy the UK operates… Read more »

Last edited 2 months ago by James
Robert Blay
Robert Blay
2 months ago
Reply to  James

Another fantasy war commentator. The UK, America and allied nations from Europe and our friends in the East like Japan, S Korea, Australia, Malaysia ect have far more capability then China can muster. Combined, there are something like 19 vessels that can put 5th gen F35 capability to sea. China has zero. We are sending a very capable carrier task group on a far east deployment. We are not starting wars, China isn’t going to fire anything at us, and the RN can handle any challenge that comes it’s way. China certainly can’t send the equivalent carrier task group west… Read more »

Nate m
Nate m
2 months ago
Reply to  James

finally someone who has not his judgements clouded by his national pride! I thought this day would never come!

The Artist Formerly Known as Los Pollos Chicken
The Artist Formerly Known as Los Pollos Chicken
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

Nate honestly man, you seem to be a 21st century “Joe Dolce”character you are clearly a professional wind up artist and I say artist in the loosest sense

you don’t even speak like a Brit your use of HM English is well like probably how Joe Dolce sounds when he’s writing emails😂

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇬🇧

Meirion X
Meirion X
2 months ago
Reply to  Robert Blay

Exactly right!

Robert Blay
Robert Blay
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

No. not even close pal

chris stocken
chris stocken
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

China does not have a blue water Navy. India !!!!?. And Russia Has not got enough sea-going tugs to follow the buckets that get sent out every so often. If you don’t know what a Bluewater navy is?, Google it.

Andrew
Andrew
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

You really have no idea……

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

Even if that was true, we would be in good company then? Out of all the worlds 195 nations.

Nate m
Nate m
2 months ago
Reply to  Robert Blay.

look my point is we need to build up our forces we need to keep our reputation as the worlds foremost (or one of the) navies.

Robert Blay
Robert Blay
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

We akrwady do have a reputation as one of the world’s finest Navy’s.

Robert Blay
Robert Blay
2 months ago
Reply to  Robert Blay

Already

Nate m
Nate m
2 months ago
Reply to  Robert Blay

ya behind Frances old clunking piece of Bolani

James
James
2 months ago
Reply to  Robert Blay.

Before you boast count the numbers of escorts that are UK vessels and not from allies. How many F35B are British on the carrier ? There you go the numbers look small for a nation trying to return to operate carriers again and won’t impress the Chinese . Many say oh the US and others operate with allies … Really ? I don’t see on the French carrier dozens of US F18s regular or Rafale on US carriers . Occasionally allies joining is fine but for the UK it’s permanent! Nothing sovereign

Last edited 2 months ago by James
Robert Blay
Robert Blay
2 months ago
Reply to  James

Ok James, i count 7 British vessels, and a a British nuclear sub, and 2 allied vessels. NATO warships regularly train together, and provide cover for other nations carrier’s, such as T45 with a Nimitz class, a USN destroyer with the French carrier ect. This is very early day’s in the carrier’s entry to service, and F35 numbers will increase. We don’t see F18’s on the French carrier because they don’t have the same level of interoperability like we do with the USMC. The fact we can absorb another nations 5th gen aircraft, pilots and engineers is a credit to… Read more »

Nate m
Nate m
2 months ago
Reply to  Robert Blay

but can we provide support to our allies and defend ourselves at the same time.

Robert Blay
Robert Blay
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

Of course we can. We can put a carrier task group to sea without having to rob escorts from other RN standing task’s.

Nate m
Nate m
2 months ago
Reply to  Robert Blay

ok pal lets move away from navies. can the uk produce its own land armaments with out allied help? can it?

Dern
Dern
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

Can any country? The US Armies light guns are British, the service pistol Italian, and their latest fighter jet a joint venture.
Within Europe, the Germans use British Sniper Rifles, their 8x8s are a joint German-Dutch program, their ATGMs are French and Israeli, the list goes on.

Paul T
Paul T
2 months ago
Reply to  Robert Blay

The French do have Operability with the USN – F18’s have flown off of the CDG in the same way Rafales have flown off US Carriers.

Robert Blay
Robert Blay
2 months ago
Reply to  Paul T

Yes, but only for deck qualification. They haven’t deployed together.

Paul T
Paul T
2 months ago
Reply to  Robert Blay

Your completely missing the point ( again ) if the situation dictated it they could ,the same as the USMC on ours,they do it for a reason not just for fun.

Robert Blay
Robert Blay
2 months ago
Reply to  Paul T

Of course they don’t do it for fun. A QE class can plug a gab in USN resource planning. And we get extra jets until our own F35 force builds up. But no other navy could get access to such USMC resources, and they get access to a brand new 5th gen aircraft carrier designed from the Keal up to operate F35 from day one that is twice the size of a America class LPHD

Dern
Dern
2 months ago
Reply to  James

You’re right. The Americans don’t trust the French enough to embark any significant assets on their carriers.

Steve R
Steve R
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

How is it not an effective strike group? 2x Type 45 destroyers and 2x Type 23 frigates, plus an Astute class submarine is a pretty potent force. In an actual war with a peer opponent expect this to increase to 3x Type 45s and 3-4x Type 23 frigates. By comparison, the US Navy sends a single Ticonderoga class cruiser and 2-3 Arleigh Burke class destroyers, plus a submarine, so very similar in hull numbers to what we are putting into a strike group. By 2025 we will have 48 F35s, enough to easily put 24 onto the carrier. 24 F35s,… Read more »

CAM
CAM
2 months ago
Reply to  Steve R

You are right. We often work together with NATO allies and our destroyers and frigates are often in US carrier strike groups. I do understand though what the argument of others might be. Let me give you an example of when we have 2 fully operational carrier strike groups. (I’m only talking about destroyers and frigates) 4 out of 6 destroyers in use 4-5 out 13 frigates in use We then only have 2 destroyers left which are probably in use in allied task groups or in the Black Sea (not to mention the fact that they are in maintenance… Read more »

Steve R
Steve R
1 month ago
Reply to  CAM

The thing is that we aren’t going to operate two carrier strike groups at once. That has never been the plan. Two carriers guarantees us one available at all times. One in use, the other in maintenance, refit or training. So that will be 4/6 Type 45s and 2-3 out of 8 Type 26s. Against a peer or near-peer opponent that could be increased, of course. The only time we will ever operate both carriers at once will be in a serious, SHTF brown-trousers war where either we or a major ally is under existential threat. And then that second… Read more »

CAM
CAM
1 month ago
Reply to  Steve R

You have a point there and I complete agree on that one but I also see that ‘global Britain’ needs more escorts. If we want to be ‘global’ and have stronger connections with our allies an NATO it won’t just be allied escorts in our carrier strike group but also our escorts in other strike groups of our allies.
I hope you understand what I’m trying to say.

dan
dan
2 months ago
Reply to  Steve R

The USN sails with allied ships to give themselves and their allies training for working together not because they need the extra ships in their CVN groups. Hopefully with the Brits now deciding to arm their surface combatants with long range TLAMs or similar missiles they won’t need a USN DDG in their CV group unless for training purposes. Also arming the Brit destroyers with a BMD capability to defend against the Chicom ballistic anti ship missiles will help them too. Unfortunately there is nothing they can do regarding their help born AEW capability. Even with the new radar it… Read more »

Robert Blay
Robert Blay
2 months ago
Reply to  dan

You will find the USN highly values the protection offered from the T45, as it’s air defence capability far exceeds anything the USN can offer until major upgrades.

Dern
Dern
2 months ago
Reply to  Robert Blay

And please note that the USN is currently rushing to build a (French-Italian) frigate since the LCS debacle left them with not enough escorts…

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

Not to say we can’t (we do have 19 DD/FF), but that we believe in doing things in concert with allies.

Nate m
Nate m
2 months ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

ok so literary almost ever single uk deployments had an allied ship in it.

Nate m
Nate m
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

also do you guys really think that our 79 can take on a fleet of 700 all alone with no allied help?

Dern
Dern
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

Bit disingenuous since that 700 number includes everything from Aircraft carriers to tugs…

James
James
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

We arent taking them on though are we so whats the point you are trying to make?

PaulW
PaulW
2 months ago

I would prefer to see our navy exercising in our half of the planet. I’m not sure how pacific operations defends our shore. I’m happy to assist other nations, but sending what amounts to our entire navy to the other side of the world feels as though it leaves our shores a little exposed. Or is it just me? Maybe I’m just feeling a little vulnerable at the mo.

Jack
Jack
2 months ago
Reply to  PaulW

Building/strengthening alliances and and keeping the global shipping lanes open to trade.

BB85
BB85
2 months ago
Reply to  PaulW

The crew needs experience operating far from home. The whole point of an aircraft carrier is to conduct operations beyond the reach of aircraft based in the UK. That is either East of suez or the south Atlantic.

Simon
Simon
2 months ago
Reply to  PaulW

The decision to go to the Pacific region is undoubtedly part of the UK govt’s policy of strengthening our trade relations with that part of the world.

Rob N
Rob N
2 months ago
Reply to  PaulW

Humm,

Perhaps you are right we may need it to fend off France and the EU as they are being increasingly hostile recently. The CSG could also have a word with their fishermen to. What is the story with that, they come from France and go into our waters and take our fish and return to France and sell our fish for their profit. Am I missing something…. otherwise I would call that nicking…

Andrew
Andrew
2 months ago
Reply to  PaulW

Vulnerable to what? There is no credible conventional military threat to mainland Uk…. that’s the advantage of being surrounded by friendly allied nations….

Nate m
Nate m
2 months ago
Reply to  Andrew

ermm have u forgotten what Merkeles have done to the vaccine exports!

Andrew
2 months ago
Reply to  Andrew

Now Andrew we both come under same name so been both Andrews people will get our posts not knowing which is which at times ,but to you mate we never know what USSR are up to.?

Meirion X
Meirion X
2 months ago
Reply to  Andrew

I don’t think any commenter is allowed exactly the same name on this Forum.
You may have to take the issue up with the editor.

Andrew
2 months ago
Reply to  Meirion X

IT’S that or come off mate,but will look into it. Thanks for the heads up.

JC
JC
2 months ago
Reply to  PaulW

Theres not exactly much in our half of the globe that can even attack our shores. Only Russia and their navy isn’t exactly capable of that at the moment.

Nate m
Nate m
2 months ago
Reply to  JC

I believe a “few” Russian subs haves slipped past our defences. before being picked up literary miles from british shores. Oooo we can’t let that happen in a real war.

Robert Blay.
Robert Blay.
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

Did Dave down the pub tell you that? or have some Russian subs done something to spoil your day.

Nate m
Nate m
2 months ago
Reply to  Robert Blay.

ermm BBC? reports few years ago. or is the BBC illegitimate in your eyes. (do apologise if i sounded rude)

Last edited 2 months ago by Nate m
The Artist Formerly Known as Los Pollos Chicken
The Artist Formerly Known as Los Pollos Chicken
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

Bbc ???? put the meth pipe doon son please just lay it doon??? bbc ??

????????????

Nate m
Nate m
2 months ago

i ment independent. sorry don’t know why i said bbc

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
2 months ago

Lol

Nate m
Nate m
2 months ago
Reply to  Robert Blay.

here’s another proof a report from the independent a yew years back. Russian submarine heading for English Channel intercepted by Royal Navy | The Independent | The Independent

JC
JC
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

But we aren’t in a real war with Russia… and we will be able to see the buildup of the military way before, giving us time to bring things back to the uk.

Nate m
Nate m
2 months ago
Reply to  JC

isn’t that what they said about Hans in ww2. we won the war but it was close call we had the Americans to help us as well. plus. we had a reasonable force back then so it was easier to expand while keeping Hans at bay. but now we are a disgrace to our former selves the royal navy size is smaller than when it was formed back in the 1600s! if i was Britain’s mother I would reject her as my child (metaphorically speaking).

JC
JC
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

By buildup i mean their current assets being rearmed, crewed ect. We have satellites now its not hard to spy, then we could turn the carrier group around quite easily. That also involves them declaring war on the whole of NATO by attacking the UK.

Nate m
Nate m
2 months ago
Reply to  JC

I see your point but u realise we have MI6 the best intelligence agency in the world. we need to focus of MBT counts size of the navy and anti missiles system and the number of troops.

Martyn Parker
Martyn Parker
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

There is more than a hint of Russian about your phraseology

John Clark
John Clark
2 months ago
Reply to  Martyn Parker

Hmmm, not another Kremlin Morse tapper Martyn….

Nate m
Nate m
2 months ago
Reply to  John Clark

if i was russian then the kgb will have arrested me by now for saying how crap their tank fleet is.

Last edited 2 months ago by Nate m
Robert Blay
Robert Blay
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

I think you haven’t got a clue pal, or are you a last gasp April fools ?

Nate m
Nate m
2 months ago
Reply to  Robert Blay

oh so u think that our 300,000 can take on china’s 2.5 million (give or take)?

Andrew
Andrew
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

Didn’t realise the Queen Elizabeth group was on its way to the South China Sea to declare war on the Chinese…. I’d say that the UK is never going to declare a military war on the Chinese…. at an absolute stretch the Uk may one day join an international coalition to deter/respond to aggressive acts in the south China seas…

Robert Blay
Robert Blay
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

Well i doute they are planning on marching that lot to the other side of the world to invade. So I wouldn’t loose any sleep over it.

Spellchecker
Spellchecker
2 months ago
Reply to  Robert Blay

Lose only has one o.

Loose is something completely different.

Andrew
Andrew
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

Nate, I assume your not British?

Nate m
Nate m
2 months ago
Reply to  Andrew

i am but that should not cloud my judgement.

Robert Blay
Robert Blay
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

Escorting Russian warships and subs through the English Channel is perfectly routine, and the RN has been carrying out this task for decades. They often transit through the Channel, then down to the med, and through into the black sea.

Nate m
Nate m
2 months ago
Reply to  Robert Blay

yes but the development of the zircon hyper sonic missiles leaves these obsolete. i agree that t23s are some of the best in the world but can they take con hyper sonic missiles?

Robert Blay
Robert Blay
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

Hypersonic missiles haven’t been proven to hit anything. let alone a modern warship maneuvering at range with some very capable ECM systems. Don’t believe the hype.

Dern
Dern
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

A Russian submarine was transiting the Channel in accordance with international law, and as is standard was escorted by a RN warship. I don’t know what that’s supposed to be proof off exactly?

Paul T
Paul T
2 months ago
Reply to  JC

If you think that Russia has Few options to Attack our shores you need to think again – they have Corvette Sized Ships that can Launch Cruise Missiles from the safety of Rivers – they don’t even need to put to Sea,they have a Multitude of Air/Sea/Undersea and Ground Launched Missiles that could disable the Military and Civilian Infrastructure within a matter of hours,do you not realise that ?.

JC
JC
2 months ago
Reply to  Paul T

But we are talking about the feasibility of russia attacking our waters within the timeframe of the carrier group travelling to asia and back. We still have an air force, and they will be starting ww3 right there and then. Proxy wars i would argue are feasible, especially looking at Ukraine right now. But thats not the point.

Levi Goldsteinberg
Levi Goldsteinberg
2 months ago
Reply to  PaulW

Pretty important to protect one of the world’s main trade arteries when almost all our goods are important by sea

Peter S
Peter S
2 months ago

So we are sending a carrier group to protect Chinese seaborne exports from … China?
In 2019, @ 60% of UK imports came from Europe with @11% from NAmerica and @9% from China.

Meirion X
Meirion X
2 months ago
Reply to  Peter S

There are other nations in the Far East besides China that the UK does trade with. And increase it too with those emerging nation!

Last edited 2 months ago by Meirion X
Andy a
Andy a
2 months ago
Reply to  PaulW

Covid is just one example of how an awakening power that doesn’t follow the existing rules structure (plus still carrying a chip since Taiwan climb down) if they ever thought that we were weak it invites war like Japan/Germany years ago. We just show the flag for all the small countries in the area they are pushing around

john melling
john melling
2 months ago
Reply to  PaulW

Well, we have the Pitcairn Islands in the Pacific, that British territory and people.
And along the way calling in to see allies, keep the navy training up, defending shipping lanes for trade to freely move across the world… to name a few reasons

Kizzy p
2 months ago
Reply to  PaulW

I think maybe because with Brexit we are looking at expanding our trading reach into the Indo – Pacific. Joining various trade partnerships in that region. Freedom of navigation exercises and protecting trade routes shows solidarity, and support with of trading partners. Its not so much about defending our shores as it is protecting our interests …as in trade.

Nate m
Nate m
2 months ago
Reply to  PaulW

you have a point we do not have the numbers to carry campaigns on multiple fronts. at the moment I think we should focus on building up our forces, while still sending task forces to troublesome regions. for example sending a few frigates or a destroyer or 2.

Robert Blay
Robert Blay
2 months ago
Reply to  Nate m

We have just announced a 16bn increase in defence spending, and a 190bn equipment programme over the next ten year. Or would you be happy to pay more tax? or see less spent on the NHS, education, adult social care ect. And the economy is taking a massive hit due to COVID-19. so money is tight for everyone

TrevorH
TrevorH
2 months ago

At least this is real and not a tiresome April fool joke and even if it’s just a retread.

Gavin Gordon
Gavin Gordon
2 months ago
Reply to  TrevorH

Ah, funny you say that…..

Geoffrey Roach
Geoffrey Roach
2 months ago
Reply to  TrevorH

Life is a barrel of fun isn’t it? Perhaps you need a lie down.

TrevorH
TrevorH
2 months ago
Reply to  Geoffrey Roach

Boring half baked non jokes are not a barrel of fun.

Geoffrey Roach
Geoffrey Roach
2 months ago
Reply to  TrevorH

Neither are boring posters making half baked comments but the rest of us have to put up with them.

Something different
Something different
2 months ago
Reply to  TrevorH

It’s just a bit of fun

Gerry Walmsley
Gerry Walmsley
2 months ago

Will 42 Cdo be at multiple company level?

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
2 months ago
Reply to  Gerry Walmsley

You asked before me….how much of 42? I assume a detachment to fly from the CHF Merlins for SAR?

Rob
Rob
2 months ago
Reply to  Gerry Walmsley

Don’t know but the Band will certainly go for those defence engagement port visits. Playing Life on the Ocean Waves, on the flight deck…

Crabfat
Crabfat
2 months ago

Will they transit the Suez Canal? Should be a terrific sight, if they do. No probs, I hope!

Lusty
Lusty
2 months ago
Reply to  Crabfat

Oh God, could you imagine the headlines if she became stuck!

But I agree – seeing them move through the canal would be a sight!

TrevorH
TrevorH
2 months ago
Reply to  Lusty

It isn’t 220,000 tonnes though!

George
George
2 months ago

Hi folks hope all is well.
Great to see. Very impressive to see the UK at the lead.
Is it possible for other allies to join a bit later or meet-up en route? Other NATO members would be more than welcome. They need to come out of their comfort zone.
Cheers,
George

Nick C
Nick C
2 months ago
Reply to  George

I suspect that there will be exercises with the Indian Navy, and I would lay money on some Australian involvement when in the general ASEAN area, and possibly also the Kiwis. Assuming the CSG transit the South China Sea they will certainly have some interaction with the Chinese, although not of the friendly kind!
And I would reckon they will be exercising with both Japan and South Korea, bearing in mind both countries are aiming to have F35b at sea fairly soon.

Levi Goldsteinberg
Levi Goldsteinberg
2 months ago
Reply to  Nick C

The Royal New Zealand Navy escort fleet is currently moored up at Royal Canadian Navy base on Canada’s west coast in refit so it’s extremely unlikely they’ll be able to make an appearance

Andrew
Andrew
2 months ago

New Zealand’s escort fleet, is a rather grand description of two general purpose frigates!

Meirion X
Meirion X
2 months ago
Reply to  Nick C

Japan is still a long way off of deploying F-35B’s!
They have only taken delivery of 22 out of 100 F-35A’s ordered.
Japan has not signed the full contract for the F-35B procurement yet.
It is a FMS sale, so a lot of negotiating yet!

Last edited 2 months ago by Meirion X
Nick C
Nick C
2 months ago
Reply to  Meirion X

True. But I suspect that there will be a good deal of looking at how allies can cooperate, given the USMC F35’s on board. And also a bit of “ look at our big new shiny ship, this is what you should aim to get”. Looking at the situation in Taiwan they might be in action sooner than we think.

Challenger
Challenger
2 months ago

Impressive stuff. I’d like to know how many F35s the 2 squadrons are going to bring though – 12 & 12 for the full 24 or will it be less?

john melling
john melling
2 months ago
Reply to  Challenger

As far as I know, the VMFA-211 operate 10 F5B, so I’m guessing we will match them with that number

Captain P Wash
Captain P Wash
2 months ago

I’m probably way out here but is 5 Squadrons, 60 aircraft ? 2 lot’s of 12 F35’s and 36 assorted Choppers ? Will there be much else left ?

Mark
Mark
2 months ago
Reply to  Captain P Wash

I very much doubt the NAS will each field 12 aircraft. 815 NAS is Wildcat so probably only a couple of airframes on the escorts, maybe one or two on the QE. 845 is the junglie Merlins, so again a handful on QE and maybe a few on the RFA?

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins
2 months ago
Reply to  Mark

Some good news today in relation to the next-gen Puma replacement. AW149 is a possibility as is the Bell 525, with the possibility of the Boeing  MH-139 Grey Wolf. I wonder which would be best suited for use onboard the carriers as well? ”Our teams are in constant contact with the UK acquisition authority as the United Kingdom continues to define their New Medium Helicopter (NMH) requirements. Bell remains committed to providing the right solution based on those requirements and we are certain our aircraft offer the most capable and versatile performance options,” the representative said, adding that the 525… Read more »

john melling
john melling
2 months ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

I think either the A139, A149 or the bigger A189 or even the Airbus H175 will be suitable
We need a decent lift capability, at least 2 tons like the Puma and passenger capacity to match or exceed

Any of the above for the RAF/Army to get gear and troops into battle

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
2 months ago
Reply to  Captain P Wash

Elements of, not the entire NAS for most of those.

Michael F
Michael F
2 months ago
Reply to  Captain P Wash

Eight Lightnings from 617 and six from VMFA seems the be the number going around; NavyLookout’s of this opinion too.

Captain P Wash
Captain P Wash
2 months ago
Reply to  Michael F

8 ehh ? Wow, that’s the whole “We have no Planes” argument blown completely out of the water then !!!!! yes, yes it’ll also have a few Choppers too, just like the Invincible class then.

Robert Blay
Robert Blay
2 months ago
Reply to  Captain P Wash

This is way beyond the Invincible class. Even a small number of F35’s is a very capable package to take around the world. Far beyond anything we could have achieved with any number of Harrier’s.

Captain P Wash
Captain P Wash
2 months ago
Reply to  Robert Blay

Different times, different threats, same cuts. I know you’ll choose not to see my point about a carrier three times the size of Invincible though.

Robert Blay
Robert Blay
2 months ago
Reply to  Captain P Wash

I served on Invincible class, 14 Harriers was a nightmare. You had to move 5 jets just to get 1 out of the hangar. 14 F35’s will be a breeze on the QE class.

Captain P Wash
Captain P Wash
2 months ago
Reply to  Michael F

Nice Pic on my FB page this morning showing USS T R with 42 aircraft on her deck alone….. including 32 F18’s now that’s an impressive image.

Robert Blay
Robert Blay
2 months ago
Reply to  Captain P Wash

They also have an impressive defence budget to go with it. And a vastly bigger economy, and no NHS to fund or other sensible social responsibilities.

Captain P Wash
Captain P Wash
2 months ago
Reply to  Robert Blay

Crikey mate, You think too deep ! I was merely saying how Impressive it was. lol.

Robert Blay
Robert Blay
2 months ago
Reply to  Captain P Wash

Sorry pal 😄

Gavin Gordon
Gavin Gordon
2 months ago

The tilt towards Asia-Pacific indicates that a naval unit presence is proposed for the majority of the time with, occasionally, a more substantial group. IR acknowledges that the North Atlantic remains the maritime focus, ‘primarily’ because of Russia. It’s probably worth bearing in mind, though, that the NE passage from the PRC is less than half the conventional nautical distance for a submarine and, latter maybe, surface vessel. Ourselves and NATO are natural gate guardians this end with Japan, Canada &, most especially, Alaska, US the equivalent over there. Outside of these transit downsides for China, their flank would be… Read more »

Rob
Rob
2 months ago
Reply to  Gavin Gordon

The NE passage. Prior to Germany invading Russia in WW2 the Russians used ice breakers to allow German ships to use this route and thus avoid interdiction from the RN. With the retreat of the ice cap this route takes on even more importance.

James
James
2 months ago

I know they won’t be used but just for looking like they mean business I hope they arm at least the T23s with their harpoons, not exactly ideal leaving pretty much all the anti ship options to one sub and a couple of 4.5 inch guns

Paul T
Paul T
2 months ago
Reply to  James

Both the T23’s and T45’s will likely carry Harpoon on this Deployment.

Gavin Gordon
Gavin Gordon
2 months ago
Reply to  James

& The Sullivans

Gunbuster
Gunbuster
2 months ago
Reply to  Gavin Gordon

She is I think a flight 2 AB So she gained a Helo Hangar to go with the flight deck and lost Harpoon as a result.
So TLAM, Standard, Asroc and that’s it. I will need to check it to confirm.

Gavin Gordon
Gavin Gordon
2 months ago
Reply to  Gunbuster

Ah, late photo does not show them on the back, so could be. Likely TLAM 5 in due course, then?

James H
James H
2 months ago

Just curious is one Tide enough for a deployment of this size? I know they plan to do lots of port visits but just wondering.

Lusty
Lusty
2 months ago
Reply to  James H

It sounds like an additional Tide will provide support to the group as well, likely replenishing the replenishers. It’s also worth noting that Fort Vic has her own (agreeably limited) tanking ability.

Gunbuster
Gunbuster
2 months ago

Well this thread brightened my morning up. The armchair Fleet Command players are out in force (from various countries.) I did 2 Far East deployments and various others from 3 to 9 months in length to Baltic, Med, Mid East, Indian Ocean, Southlant, Northlant. ( Never made it into the deep Pacific though just to the beginning of it) On deployments you exercise and drill with everyone and anyone who comes out to play. On the 2 Far East trips Ocean Wave and Cougar we exercised with small navies with a couple of Patrol boats to full on multi week… Read more »

Geoffrey Roach
Geoffrey Roach
2 months ago

Welcome to the ” Nate won’t be Told show ”

Nate ..the following is fact. Aside from the USA the UK is the only country in the world that can have a full carrier strike group at sea all year round. The PLAN might be able to do it soon but whether they have the mind set to go global is doubtful, according to western analysts.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
2 months ago
Reply to  Geoffrey Roach

I’ve missed a cracker here. Don’t have much time to read through the lot but some real gems this morning.

Geoffrey Roach
Geoffrey Roach
2 months ago

I don’t know whether you’ve missed anything or not Daniele!

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
2 months ago
Reply to  Geoffrey Roach

Morning mate. Entertainment!

Andrew x1
2 months ago
Reply to  Geoffrey Roach

Let’s hope so

Ron
Ron
2 months ago

Possibly the most powerful RN battlegroup to go to sea for a long time. Good luck to the crews and ships for the deployment. It is however a training/doctrine deployment and should be seen as such. At the same time this battlegroup could go to places that a US carrier group cannot go as several nations in the region have a non nuclear stance. Hopefully the Aussies and Japanese take part in the battlegroup deployment. It will also be intresting to note if the USN redeploy some of their CVNs as a major carrier group will be in the region.

Philip Goodfellow
Philip Goodfellow
2 months ago

They have not deployed a submarine as part of this carrier strike group — seems a little daft to me….

Sophiemarie Kung
Sophiemarie Kung
2 months ago

With the intention to maintain world peace and the legacy of the Greatest Generation, this British Carrier Strike Group reflects naval offensive capability to what Thomas Hobbes called ‘Leviathan.’