As Houthi attacks against commercial vessels continue, Royal Navy warship HMS Richmond takes over from HMS Diamond to ensure freedom of navigation in the Red Sea.

HMS Diamond joined Operation Prosperity Guardian, an international task force to protect merchant shipping in the region, in December and has maintained a near constant presence in a ‘high threat area’ of the Red Sea.

“The destroyer came under fire in three separate attacks by Iranian-backed Houthi rebels, successfully destroying nine drones using her world-class Sea Viper missile system and guns.

The UK continues to be at the forefront of the international response to the Houthis’ illegal attacks on commercial shipping – participating in Operation Prosperity Guardian, intercepting weapon-smuggling to Yemen, imposing sanctions to hold members of the Houthis to account and conducting necessary, proportionate and targeted strikes against Houthi military targets in Yemen.”

Defence Secretary Grant Shapps said:

“The UK is committed to protecting freedom of navigation. I visited HMS Diamond in January and thanked the Ship’s Company for their incredible work defending freedom of navigation, saving innocent lives and ensuring merchant shipping is protected from the illegal Houthi attacks. I am confident that HMS Richmond will carry on her impressive work.”

The Ministry of Defence say that HMS Diamond will now undergo a period of maintenance and resupply as HMS Richmond takes over her important mission.

“HMS Richmond, which left Plymouth at the beginning of January, has a crew of 200 sailors and Royal Marines and a Sea Ceptor missile system, capable of protecting shipping spread out across an area the size of Greater Manchester – some 500 square miles of ocean.

HMS Richmond is also armed with a range of medium guns, machine-guns, small arms, torpedoes, a Royal Marines boarding team, and a Wildcat helicopter which can search vast areas on patrols for hostile threats on the water – and destroy them if necessary with Martlet anti-ship missiles.”

HMS Diamond Commander Peter Evans said

“The situation in the region is fraught, and ships in the force are firing on a daily basis – we hand over the baton with our best wishes to the fantastic team in Richmond who we know will do a great job. Having deployed at just five days’ notice we’re used to quickly switching aim, and now our focus is on a short maintenance and ammunition re-supply period before we get back to our mission in the Red Sea.”

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Frank
Frank
6 days ago

HMS Richmodn ehh ? …… 😂 Come on guys….. Edit and make me look silly !!!! But seriously, Diamond needs to come home now, she has done rather well ….

lordtemplar
lordtemplar
6 days ago
Reply to  Frank

dont think HMS Diamond is coming home yet.
from what i have read elsewhere, it is heading to an unknown port (Djibouti, Cyprus, Bahrein?) for some R&R, reload,etc… then after a short break back on duty in the Red Sea.

ABCRodney
ABCRodney
6 days ago
Reply to  lordtemplar

Best bet IMHO is Al Duqm in Oman as you don’t need to go too far, avoids transiting suez or straits of Hormuz and it has all the facilities. It’s the U.K. Joint Force Logistics base and they have carried out work on RN ships before (Montrose I think). Take a look on Google Earth it ticks all the boxes. Flight up to Dubai for RnR anyone ?

Craig
Craig
6 days ago
Reply to  ABCRodney

Yeap, surely Duqm. It’s exactly why the location was chosen.

James Fennell
James Fennell
6 days ago
Reply to  Craig

Diego Garcia is nearby, and has full USN facilities plus belongs to us.

craig
craig
6 days ago
Reply to  James Fennell

DG is 4 times further away ($000km vs 1000km). Whilst it’s UK territory, it’s a US base we have access rights to, whereas Duqm is our own facilities. DG has nothing to do in terms of shore-leave; any stores and munitions (e.g. Sea Viper missiles) would need to be flown there – and it’s much further from the UK than Duqm.
If Duqm wasn’t used it’d call into question the point of spending money setup up a naval logistics facility there, to be honest.

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
6 days ago
Reply to  ABCRodney

Can we not speculate on this – otherwise it is inviting retribution to the crew, when on R&R, or the ship like USS Cole?

ABCRodney
ABCRodney
6 days ago

SB I take your point and like many on here there are lines I don’t cross. I got taught many years ago about not talking too much about certain things and although I’m no longer involved I can’t understand why others who are don’t. If anyone has let the cat out of the bag and endangered folks it’s Shapps and MOD. It’s a war zone and you do not comment on this sort of stuff. So why say anything at all ? It’s because that’s all he can do and it sounds positive to the gallery. There was no need… Read more »

Jon
Jon
5 days ago
Reply to  ABCRodney

Ships going through Suez will be clocked, and Richmond going one way (possibly followed by Diamond going the other) would soon do the OSINT circuit. So this is not the sort of thing you can keep hidden for long anyway. The public don’t have a right to know operational details, but hiding the unhideable is pointless figleafing. There is also another consideration. By trumpeting the UK’s involvement we encourage other countries to join and add to our “resolve” score on the deterrence equation. If we didn’t talk about Richmond turning up and Diamond was seen to leave, this could lead… Read more »

lonpfrb
lonpfrb
2 days ago
Reply to  Jon

Indeed. Given General Sanders comments about national service it’s also important for the politicians to highlight our contribution to the tax payers so that the results of their support are apparent.

I took General Sanders comments to be a reality check for said tax payers that not increasing the defence spending to deliver a credible deterrent would have the consequence of war with the aggressors. So call up to staff a national defence would be our only choice for continued freedom.

craig
craig
6 days ago

Point taken, but local intel rather than armchair admirals musing online is much more likely to be used to inform such attacks. They’d unlikely target the Diamond crew in particular but rather British military and wider interests. There are always UK military personal at Duqm from all 3 services, if Diamond docks there, there’d just be more. I’d expect good security processes and safety briefings are in use to minimise risk.

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
6 days ago
Reply to  craig

I agree.

Never underestimate the ability of others to add two and two to get twenty two.

People analyse information according to preconceived ideas.

I totally agree that the most likely info flow is via binos and a mobile! But……

Frank62
Frank62
6 days ago
Reply to  ABCRodney

Duqm- Isn’t that an engine oil?

James Fennell
James Fennell
6 days ago
Reply to  Frank62

Centre for England in 1974, J.P.R. Williams used to run rings around him.

ABCRodney
ABCRodney
5 days ago
Reply to  James Fennell

Dave Duckham watched him play for Leicester once, he was good, unfortunately for him the Welsh were better.

James Fennell
James Fennell
5 days ago
Reply to  ABCRodney

Yes, did well when partnered with the Welsh backs as ‘Dai Duckham’ during the Lions tour to NZ, and especially for the Babas in ’73 when then beat the All Blacks at Cardiff Arms Park.

James Fennell
James Fennell
6 days ago
Reply to  lordtemplar

Or Diego Garcia maybe?

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins
6 days ago
Reply to  Frank

Good morning Frank I’ve just spotted this on Breaking Defence. I wonder if this will impact any of our future international orders. Fincantieri CEO Pierroberto Folgiero told Breaking Defense the modularity approach shortens production time against a general frigate market trend of 40 months, and he “strongly believes” Saudi Arabia stands as a key “addressable market” to secure a future FCx30 sale. Fincantieri CEO Pierroberto Folgiero told Breaking Defense the modularity approach shortens production time against a general frigate market trend of 40 months, and he “strongly believes” Saudi Arabia stands as a key “addressable market” to secure a future FCx30 sale.… Read more »

Last edited 6 days ago by Nigel Collins
Frank
Frank
5 days ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

These are mighty powerful Corvettes with great specs…. Not sure if the UK is offering anything that might be compete though, T31 is twice the Tonnage, River B’2’s are lacking in every way, T26 way too expensive…. I’d swap the River 1’s for a few Doha’s though.

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins
5 days ago
Reply to  Frank

Yes, I just had a look. Very impressive as you say, well spected with room built in for future upgrades. 👌 “The weapons will include VL CAMM-ER SAM, Exocet SSM, RAM CIWS, full EWS suite (including R-ECM as a plug-and-play option), OTO 76/62 with STRALES and DART ammunition (and Leonardo RCWS). Regarding the SAM and SSM, we are able to integrate any kind of missiles and to re-configure the sensor equipment of the ship accordingly. Everything on board will be fully integrated with the CMS (ATHENA).” The ship will have powerful electronic equipment consisting of KRONOS HP-MFR, of the same… Read more »

Frank
Frank
5 days ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

From a little bit of research, it looks like @ 500,000,000 Euros a piece….. But that spec is pretty impressive.

klonkie
klonkie
5 days ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

informative post (as always), thank you Nigel

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins
5 days ago
Reply to  klonkie

Always welcome klonkie!

david anthony simpson
david anthony simpson
6 days ago

Time for SeaCeptor to show its mettle!

Armchair Admiral
Armchair Admiral
6 days ago

Yes indeed. It’s our second air defence missile so needs to prove its worth. Can’t hurt exports if it does the business.

I know there is a published range for the missile and this is likely to be Conservative, I wonder if we will get to see its actual range, or will these figures be censured for security reasons?

AA

david anthony simpson
david anthony simpson
6 days ago

I doubt we will get precision detail of any engagements and rightly so. Yes, many dont realise the full potential of SC – especially its range – its more a Sea Dart replacement as much as it is a Sea Wolf one. Its abilities to take on multiple simultaneous targets and be ready to re-engage rapidly may well be tested too – lets hope it delivers as the trials and specification indicated. Given it will be the standardised short to medium range SAM for all our surface combatants including the T45 after refits soon, then any successes will be of… Read more »

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
6 days ago

That is the joy of soft launch.

You don’t have to wait for efflux gases to clear. So launch rates can be very high.

Last edited 6 days ago by Supportive Bloke
Gavin Gordon
Gavin Gordon
6 days ago

Likely beneficial for ‘old fashioned’ night vision too, judging from recent video of HMS Diamond launching Sea Viper. Still likely a place for that in confined waters and manned close in gunnery.

Quentin D63
Quentin D63
6 days ago

But only 32 shots. You wouldn’t want to use all those in one day! It’s a lighter missile (100kg+/-) so wonder if this can be manually re-loaded at sea? Maybe they could rig a small crane up to facilitate this? With the clear space atop the long hangar I wonder if they would ever add a 40mm, Phalanx or Dragonfire on the T23s?

Chris
Chris
6 days ago
Reply to  Quentin D63

It cannot be reloaded at sea. I’m not aware of any systems that can.

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
5 days ago
Reply to  Chris

Sea Ceptor could be man handled horizontally, placed in an openable erector tube with a pivot point at the base.

The tube then hauled up vertically, secured and the reload lowered in.

No way you can do that with a strike length tube and missile. The combo of the outer tube and the missile is incredibly heavy.

This can be done for the RN sift launch tubes I doubt it can be for the quad packed variants in Mk41.

craig
craig
6 days ago
Reply to  Quentin D63

I think the plans for the T23s is just to keep them running to OOS dates now, any investment wouldn’t be worth it except Phalanx as an urgent operational requirement for Red Sea/Gulf missions – much like Argus received for LRG(S).

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
5 days ago

Already exporting rather well TBH.

But live proving trials are always proof of the pudding.

Steve
Steve
6 days ago

SeaCeptor without any form of CIWS, risky move considering the US ship needed phallanx.

Gavin Gordon
Gavin Gordon
6 days ago
Reply to  Steve

Though note ex Commander Tom Sharpe states 30mm ASCG likely tested against slow drones by HMS Diamond. T23s have the DS30M mkII.

david anthony simpson
david anthony simpson
6 days ago
Reply to  Gavin Gordon

Good point

Gunbuster
Gunbuster
2 days ago
Reply to  Steve

Different missile systems. Sea Ceptor has a very short min engagement range that puts it in the CIWS bracket

Jonathan
Jonathan
6 days ago

The only thing I will say is that T23 does not have any close in weapon systems..it’s 4.5inch gun is not able to engage air targets…I pray for the crew these weaknesses do not cause loss of life. CAMM is clearly a very good missile system…but the ABs are a profoundly better AAW platform than a T23 and even one of those ended up engaging an anti ship missile with a CIWS at less than a mile. we really really need to be retiring the 4.5inch…a medium navel gun that cannot engage air targets is useless and put a 57mm… Read more »

david anthony simpson
david anthony simpson
6 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

With SeaCeptor and its fast response, reengagement and multi-shot capabilities, its arguable that this provides a fine CIWS capability too – assuming of course ant attacker has already got through its intial responses at longer range anyway.

Jonathan
Jonathan
6 days ago

The problem is min engagement range….which is someplace around 1km….so it’s not a CIWS.

we must assume they can, as they did achieve this against an AB.

david anthony simpson
david anthony simpson
6 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

You assume Phalanx is really effective at 1Km? It has a min engagement range too of course – especially as its radar guided.

Steve
Steve
6 days ago

its more about having multiple types of systems, so if one fails for whatever reason there is a fallback.

david anthony simpson
david anthony simpson
6 days ago
Reply to  Steve

Well yes and has been said already the T23 does have DS30 – which although not optimised for all types of air attack does have capability. I note that the new 40mm guns coming with the T31s are arguably better than Phalanx in taking out a lot of the air threat too – as a back up if not primary especially with the right ammo. Times are moving on.

Steve
Steve
6 days ago

The t32 is limited arc of fire and so assuming any smart attacker would come up from its blackspot. Ds30 is potentially fine but it requires someone to man them constantly and not as accurate as not radar guided or I don’t believe it is. Does it have air burst ammo as its fire rate is a lot lower also?

Last edited 6 days ago by Steve
Paul.P
Paul.P
6 days ago
Reply to  Steve

I think Northrop Grumman were developing an airburst round for the Bushmaster 30mm.

Gavin Gordon
Gavin Gordon
5 days ago
Reply to  Steve

Electro- optical

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
5 days ago
Reply to  Steve

The DS30 is fully automated and linked to the CMS. So it is fully radar/opto guided.

Still has manual mode just in case someone needs to go deaf quickly.

Jon
Jon
6 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

I understood the Canadians selected CAMM specifically for CIWS. Is that not so? I wonder if the <1km min is like the >25km max, and should be read as <<1km.

Last edited 6 days ago by Jon
david anthony simpson
david anthony simpson
6 days ago
Reply to  Jon

They did. While SC has in theory a min engagement of 1 Km – reality says intial engagement of the tracker radar has to be much more so once its airborne and tracking its target thats what counts.. Phalanx once tracking should in theory go down to 1knm but it too still needs to acquire the target further out to maximise a kill probability.

Jon
Jon
6 days ago

I know this sounds like a dumb question, but does CAMM need to use its active radar seeker in the terminal phase? Can it contnue to use the datalink to the ship’s Artisan radar instead, eliminating the need for a self-contained lock?

Meirion X
Meirion X
6 days ago
Reply to  Jon

CAMM is Not CIWS. CAMM is >1km.

Paul T
Paul T
6 days ago
Reply to  Jon

The RCN will use CAAM as a PDMS not a CIWS.

Jon
Jon
5 days ago
Reply to  Paul T

The difference between the two roles is marginal at best when there’s no layer behind it. The Canadians refer to CAMM as a Close in Defence System (CIDS) rather than CIWS, but by any name it’s still their last line of defence.

For comparison RAM (RIM-116) is often descibed as CIWS; its short range shots are 1200 – 2500m, a range nominally covered by CAMM.

Gavin Gordon
Gavin Gordon
6 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Again, wonder if this was deliberate action by USS Gravely against slow drone i.e. along lines of Cdr Tom Sharpe claim above.

Jonathan
Jonathan
6 days ago
Reply to  Gavin Gordon

It was an anti ship missile not a drone…there is no way on earth a war ship would have purposely waited to engage an anti ship missile….we know the USN have been quite clear in what was a missile attack and what was a drone attack.

Gavin Gordon
Gavin Gordon
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Indeed, appears so …mm

Gunbuster
Gunbuster
2 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Its less than 1km

Bringer of facts
Bringer of facts
6 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

They do have 2 30mm cannons.

Jonathan
Jonathan
6 days ago

which are designed to engage small surface targets…not a missile travelling at 600mph+ they are essentially useless in that function…although they do have functionality against slow moving air targets such as drones or rotors.

Gunbuster
Gunbuster
2 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

I have tracked aircraft with EO doing = 400knts …on a T23 I was even pressing the Buttons!
Target from the command system and locked up the aircraft. Various algorithms such as edge tracking allow accurate target follow.

Jonathan
Jonathan
1 day ago
Reply to  Gunbuster

But would you honestly want to be shooting down an 550knt anti ship missile with a 35cm cross section in the 4-5 seconds of that close engagement before it hits the ship with, a DS30B mount ? Or would you also like to have a radar guided CIWS ?

Frank62
Frank62
6 days ago

They are of questionable value against air target, not designed as AAA but as anti armoured vehicle chain guns of fairly low rate of fire. For fast moving jets or missiles you need nigh rates of fire. Against slow drones or helicopters maybe effective.

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
6 days ago
Reply to  Frank62

That depends on how well the shots are placed. In the WW2 approach you created a box of shrapnel and hoped a plane few through it. Or alternatively you tried to walk the fire onto the plane using tracer. Which unless the pilot was very cooperative was hopeless. You might get lucky. Now the radar locates very, very precisely and CMS calculated the optimal place to send shells. Totally different approach. So the shrapnel field is created in a highly specific location. Firing rates are less important than range and accuracy. Phalanx is a different approach as it is a… Read more »

Frank62
Frank62
6 days ago

I too think 40mm would be best.

ABCRodney
ABCRodney
6 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Mmm “doesn’t have any” what do you think the 30mm Bushmasters are ?

Jonathan
Jonathan
6 days ago
Reply to  ABCRodney

Completely useless against against a small possibility manoeuvring target travel at 600mph……let’s not even pretend a DS30M mk2 mount is a CIWS…its a locally or remotely operated system designed to engage small surface targets…in a pinch it can engage slow moving airborne targets such as drones or rotors.

Last edited 6 days ago by Jonathan
Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
6 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

That isn’t the really case anymore TBH. This was the case before the 30mm were fully integrated into CMS. They are now. The 30mm will be more than good against the Iranian drones. The semi ballistics – it will depend on where they are in the engagement envelope. Really that is a Sea Ceptor job. The initial engagement would be far enough out to allow for a second backup shot – it is all automated. Phalanx would if it existed, for that instance, be deployed to break up any coming debris. The issue is more the skimmers given the lower… Read more »

Tommo
Tommo
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Yeah they took the Aimer out with their MK 1 eyeball Im slightly deaf in my left ear even with internal and external Ear defenders from the 30mm both single and twin they would be OK against slow moving Drones in AA mode or boat Bourne skiffs in SU mode different rates of fire as we used in the Aimers position. So long as the barrels fully in and locked the Navy doesn’t want anymore egg on their face after the Chid and the QE debacle

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
5 days ago
Reply to  Tommo

Ha you got there first….

Now aimed by EO and CMS potentially radar too.

Tommo
Tommo
5 days ago

At least only the loader may loose their hearing now

Gunbuster
Gunbuster
2 days ago
Reply to  Tommo

Deaf…Been there …am that!
Get your claim in. Class action is ongoing against MOD for a system with a 182 Db noise output per single bullet and ear protection rated at…130db…and they are still contesting it!

Tommo
Tommo
2 days ago
Reply to  Gunbuster

I’ll look into that GB internal ,external and as Aimer Comms headset ATLJ Helmet, Class action who’s the Solicitors handling the Claim ?

Tommo
Tommo
6 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Mk 8 4.5inch is an AA and Su medium defence weapons shells fused high for AA 20 rounds a minute of 56lb of fragmenting Steel and RDX messes up your day Johnathan

Jonathan
Jonathan
6 days ago
Reply to  Tommo

Hi Tommo the 4.5 does not do AA anymore..they removed the software support for engaging air airborne targets and the AA fusing options…it’s literally only able to engage surface or land based targets…they did not want to do the upgrade work so just removed the capability a few years ago.

Tommo
Tommo
6 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Cheers bet they feel silly now did the job well when in use when fused low for Surface engagements we used it as an Antiship missile ( exocet ) wall of shrapnel defence hope they still have the ability too do that as 23s don’t have Phalanx if a sea skimmer gets through

Jonathan
Jonathan
6 days ago
Reply to  Tommo

Indeed, my worry is that the T23 does have that CIWS sized hole in its capabilities..just keep our fingers crossed it’s not needed.

Tommo
Tommo
6 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Good old foreword thinking by the MOD enough said on that matter Johnathan

Iain
Iain
6 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

There is a reason the 23’s were supposed to have been replaced already. In the horrible event of any casualties, they will sit squarely in the laps of the people that made the decision to delay that.

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
6 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Software can be updated. It wouldn’t be crazy hard to do as a UOR project.

The shells could well be in storage. As the last hydraulic 4.5” only went out of service 5/6 years ago?

In the late 80’s there were mountains of air burst. The quantities were unbelievable. AAW was seen as a major role for anything that went bang.

It would be very useful for knocking out the drones from a serious distance.

Jonathan
Jonathan
6 days ago

If that could be done it really should be…

Tommo
Tommo
5 days ago

The Tanked rds for the mk8 where starshell and HE the HE had in its nose 3 fuses High,Low,Proximity the Ops room would select Air Surface ,Proximity, as the round went up the hoist to the Gun it would pass 2 blades (knives) which would set which fuse and disable the others

Tommo
Tommo
5 days ago
Reply to  Tommo

Oh forgot ReI and ReJ rds Chaff

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
5 days ago
Reply to  Tommo

The question is did the round get simplified to reduce costs?

The rounds I was thinking of were specifically made as airburst and marked as such. But were a much older vintage….

Tommo
Tommo
5 days ago

The old mk 6 turret those Rds were seperate from the Cordite the Automatic Mk 8 the Rd and Cordite was joined into 1 and were just HE apart from Chaff and starshell probably a cost and manpower saving 6 personnel too a mk 6 turret and 6 in the gunbay Mk 8 none in the turret except when conducting SOCS that was 2 that read offGPIs training and elevation
indicators they would be from the gunbay whose crew was 3 to 4 and 2 in the turret control rm

Tommo
Tommo
5 days ago
Reply to  Tommo

So cost and manpower was certainly a benefit too the MOD sb

Gunbuster
Gunbuster
2 days ago
Reply to  Tommo

Fuse wiping gear is the WE term…

Tommo
Tommo
2 days ago
Reply to  Gunbuster

Thanks GB so long ago

Phil
Phil
6 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

This really doesn’t seem like something that should be posted publicly.

Jonathan
Jonathan
6 days ago
Reply to  Phil

Well it’s public information……

Marked
Marked
6 days ago
Reply to  Phil

The info is already out there for the whole world to see!

FormerUSAF
FormerUSAF
6 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Wonder whether it would not be rational to dispatch HMS Dauntless to the Red Sea. PIP mod completed, tested, no concerns re partial/complete propulsion failure. Granted, six mo. shakedown cruise ended in Dec., and probably in maintenance, cycle, but still remains at X hours notice to sail. Crew may be somewhat disbursed, but could be recalled and supplemented as necessary. The Red Sea/Gulf of Aden is now essentially a warzone, no longer an area of grey zone conflict. Eventually Daring and Dragon should become available for substitution. HMS Defender would be the ideal candidate, after completion of PIP and CAMM… Read more »

Jonathan
Jonathan
5 days ago
Reply to  FormerUSAF

Completely agree…it’s unfortunately not the correct conflict to be sending a blue water ASW frigate..I think the problem is the RN has been reduced down to a size to allow standing tasks only….fighting a war even a limited one means sacrifices around standing tasks and planned major set piece exercises.as well as regenerating capabilities that were lost….which are designed as major bits in the deterrent against china or Russia thinking it can kick off….. so HMG seems to struggling with the send what is needed to the Red Sea conflict and scupper or limit the planned deterrent exercises and capability… Read more »

Deep32
Deep32
6 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

To put it bluntly, wrong ship for the task! T23 is not an area defence asset whilst it’s got CAMM, it is lacking in a T45 s capabilities. Let’s be honest, the only reason Richmond is in situ, is because we currently don’t have a T45 available to relieve Diamond. The two that are in maintenance could probably sail, but, we don’t know the downstream impacts that might have on future programming, hence while one probably hasn’t been dispatched to fill the void. It’s all about risk, and sending a T23 into this role is arguably a large one. Hopefully… Read more »

Jonathan
Jonathan
5 days ago
Reply to  Deep32

I agree..unfortunately we are now in a place where the RN needs to fight a conflict, regenerate lost capabilities, do standing tasks and undertake major set piece deterrent exercises against two belligerent peers..all the while only really having the forces to generate standing tasks….all due to our political classes refusing to let go of the peace dividend and end of history rubbish when it was clear it all going wrong a decade ago…

Joe16
Joe16
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Remember, Diamond shot a drone down with her guns, which I assume were her 30 mm, and T23 carries them too. They may be considering them a CIWS for this job?

Jonathan
Jonathan
5 days ago
Reply to  Joe16

Hi joe, it’s no so much the drones, as the 30mm can manage low speed air threats…it’s the fact it does not have a CIWS for missile defence.

Meirion X
Meirion X
6 days ago

HMS Richmond is not a AAD/AAW specialist vessel.
So can she provide wide area protection with CAMM and some limited CIWS?

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
6 days ago
Reply to  Meirion X

Course not.
I hope the shadow SoS for defence keeps quiet on that one seeming as they cut T45 from 12 to 8 to 6.

Jonathan
Jonathan
6 days ago

Indeed..would have been nice to have 2 more of those now…..although I would be just as happy if Richmond had a CIWS and and medium gun that could engage airborne targets….

David Barry
David Barry
6 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Jonathan
Would have been better if T26 had been ordered in 2010… they would have been in play now.

Just saying Daniele.

Jonathan
Jonathan
6 days ago
Reply to  David Barry

Yes the delay on the order in 2010 was the kicker the contract had been signed for 7000 ton vessel in early 2010 and then the Cameron government changed the spec late in 2010…the brown government should have actually had the thing ordered and the keel laid by 2010….idiots all.

David Barry
David Barry
6 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

100%

Meirion X
Meirion X
4 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

💯

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
6 days ago
Reply to  David Barry

Indeed, J has covered that several times and that is squarely at the Tories door. No new frigate for 2 decades is beyond belief.
T45s 7 and 8 were sacrificed to accelerate GCS too.

Meirion X
Meirion X
4 days ago

💯

Bringer of facts
Bringer of facts
6 days ago
Reply to  David Barry

We could have started the T31 2 years earlier too … MOD procrastination !!

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
6 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

A CIWS should surely be standard for every escort, Amphib, and RFA. The RN introduced them after our ships were found wanting in 82, to the T42s. The T22s only had Goalkeeper on the B3s.
I assume the T23 didn’t get them due to a mix of VL Seawolf and penny pinching.

Tommo
Tommo
6 days ago

After 82 we went into dry Dock removed our workboat, whaler,and Capt huntress Deck the areas out installed 2x30mm twin and 2x20mm plus ourc2x20mm 7alphas all for a perceived AA threat in future Conflicts if there had been room I’m sure a Phalanx would have been fitted it was all about AA protection Sending an ill equipped T23 into a risky area will be headline grabbing news if anything amiss happens

James Fennell
James Fennell
5 days ago

They have 2 x 30mm DS30M with FCEO/Sea Eagle E/O trackers, which have an air defence capability (Diamond already used hers to shoot down a drone).

Tommo
Tommo
4 days ago
Reply to  Jonathan

If the Mk 8 is still using the HE Tanked rds then the shell should still contain 3 fuses high low proximity hopefully rejigging and updating could be possible too enable the turret to do the job it was intended too do

Meirion X
Meirion X
4 days ago

👍

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
6 days ago
Reply to  Meirion X

Pretty much what T42 could do range wise only more accurately and reliably.

Robert Blay
Robert Blay
6 days ago

Good luck to her and her crew. She will do her duty in the finest traditions of the RN. 🇬🇧

David Barry
David Barry
6 days ago
Reply to  Robert Blay

You know it!

Frank62
Frank62
6 days ago

The Red sea Houthi threat to merchant shipping needs another T45 air defence ship replacing Diamond, not a much shorter reach T23. Though I’m sure Richmond will give their sall within the capabiities she does have.

David Barry
David Barry
6 days ago
Reply to  Frank62

100%

Chris
Chris
6 days ago

On appearance alone, there is room on top of the T-23 Hangar for a Phalanx. I don’t see why one couldn’t be installed? They can operate autonomously of the CMS.

Chris
Chris
6 days ago
Reply to  Chris

Repurposed from the stock used on the Tide’s

Tommo
Tommo
5 days ago
Reply to  Chris

The MOD would probably say they’ve looked into that but there’s too many Blind arcs you can’t get a full 180 sweep down each side Any excuse too under arm a frontline asset

ABCRodney
ABCRodney
5 days ago
Reply to  Chris

The fact they have never done it speaks volumes really. The 23 was designed as an ASW Frigate not a GP. For ASW a lot of the weight TAS, Bow Sonar, Electric motors, Magazines, missiles etc etc are low down in the ship. And that for the stability of a ship is a very good thing. But the T23 had a party trick to go for maximum quietness, is fitted with 4 very highly shrouded DG sets for slow and silent running on Electric only. Unusually 2 of those are mounted high up forward of the funnel so are remote… Read more »

Gunbuster
Gunbuster
2 days ago
Reply to  Chris

Margin…

There isn’t any left so it wont get a CIWS…and it doesn’t need one.

Geoffi
Geoffi
5 days ago

Says it all. No T45 like-for-like replacement. Sea Ceptor much shorter range. Richmond more endangered.
Diamond has done a great job, but I suspect she is bang out of missiles. I doubt her silos were full to start with.

Joe16
Joe16
5 days ago

This will be an interesting test of CAMM- although I doubt we’ll see the true range figures of any potential engagement if it’s outside of the publicly stated figures. Am I right in thinking this has the potential to be CAMM’s first shots in anger? While it doesn’t have the range of Aster, it’s probably worth noting that it can still manage quite a reasonable area of ground- especially if HMS Richmond is sailing in between the Yemeni coast and the shipping lane (which I presume she will). The biggest problem is that it may force transport ships to bunch… Read more »

Darryl2164
Darryl2164
5 days ago

A question to more knowledgeable types . Does Richmond , a frigate, have the same air defence capability as Diamond . Aren’t the 2 ships designed for different roles , one for air defence the other a sub hunter ?

Armchair Admiral
Armchair Admiral
5 days ago
Reply to  Darryl2164

No in a word. One has a massive powerfully radar and long range missiles on it, plus a high end long range volume search radar, the other has a small radar and (,relatively) short range missiles.
The T45 exists to defend an area around several ships, the frigate…an area around the ship itself, in a nutshell.
AA

Darryl2164
Darryl2164
5 days ago

Thanks

Meirion X
Meirion X
4 days ago

👍Exactly!

Gunbuster
Gunbuster
2 days ago

It has a radar that can track targets at over 100miles along with the same EW fit and data link capabilities as a T45. Yes Ceptor is shorter ranged but it also has an anti surface capability and a shorter min engagement range. It also has some other interesting features not available to aster.

Armchair Admiral
Armchair Admiral
2 days ago
Reply to  Gunbuster

Thanks GB I was simplifying things somewhat to illustrate the main differences but as you say, Artisan is capable, with Ceptor, of providing area coverage to a reasonable distance.
The interesting features sound…interesting. For me, the soft launch (although it can hardly be that soft lofting a missile in the air) is the standout feature of the system saving the mod hundreds of pounds in paint every time you launch one….
AA

Paul Bestwick
Paul Bestwick
4 days ago

Let’s be honest the RN should have a dozen AAW destroyers and the same number of ASW frigates as the core of it’s escort fleet. That is 4 of each routinely available (using the rule of 3) more if you need to surge the deployment. In addition it should have at least half a dozen patrol/presence ships. With regard to the current situation I would be far more relaxed about a T-31 pulling duty in the Red Sea than as present a T-23.

Meirion X
Meirion X
4 days ago
Reply to  Paul Bestwick

The RN only needed 11 ASW T23s, out of the 16 total, ordered at time of the Cold War. The ruZZian sub threat is only a fraction of what is was then! They also had the T22s at the time.

Last edited 4 days ago by Meirion X
Paul Bestwick
Paul Bestwick
3 days ago
Reply to  Meirion X

So if we are sticking with the rule of 3, would you prefer 9 or 12 ?

Meirion X
Meirion X
2 hours ago
Reply to  Paul Bestwick

9 T26’s I would choose for a RoT. I would preferably build one more as a spare. The advantage of a spare is
the whole crew of a broken down vessel move over to the spare. The RAF rotate their spare airframes, to spread out airframe hours of flight.
The RN could of asked for 7 T45s.

Last edited 1 hour ago by Meirion X
Andy reeves
Andy reeves
4 days ago

Re-enforces the food design of the T23. One of the best types of frigate since Leander.

Richard Beedall
Richard Beedall
2 days ago

Diamond arrived in Gibraltar on Sat 10 Feb to resupply and get some R&R. Good to see Gib getting more heavily used.

Peter Rabbit Lewis Car
Peter Rabbit Lewis Car
1 day ago

At least Richmond has had the PGMU engine upgrade. I am concerned the Diamond remains on the to do list for her PIP improvements. I thought that Dauntless (Type 45) is currently available and has had the PIP ??

Meirion X
Meirion X
2 hours ago

Dauntless had been deployed in the Windies since summer, and came home for Xmas.