The almost eight times increase in NATO Response Force troops is due to the threat posed by Russia, say the Alliance.

For clarity, the NATO Response Force is a highly ready and technologically advanced multinational combat force made up of land, air, maritime and Special Operations Forces components that the Alliance can deploy quickly, wherever needed.

NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg gave a speech today ahead of a meeting in Madrid amongst NATO allies set to adopt a new strategy for the Alliance. The strategy reportedly describes Moscow as a direct threat.

Stoltenberg said:

“Our NATO Summit in Madrid this week will be transformative. With many important decisions. Including on a new Strategic Concept for a new security reality. A fundamental shift in NATO’s deterrence and defence. And support to Ukraine now, and for the future.

Our new Concept will guide us in an era of strategic competition. I expect it will make clear that Allies consider Russia as the most significant and direct threat to our security. It will address China for the first time. And the challenges that Beijing poses to our security, interests, and values. It will also cover our evolving approach to a number of other threats and challenges. Including terrorism, cyber, and hybrid. At the Summit, we will strengthen our forward defences.

We will enhance our battlegroups in the eastern part of the Alliance up to brigade-levels. We will transform the NATO Response Force. And increase the number of our high readiness forces to well over 300,000.

We will also boost our ability to reinforce in crisis and conflict.Including with:

  • More pre-positioned equipment, and stockpiles of military supplies.
  • More forward-deployed capabilities, like air defence.
  • Strengthened command and control.
  • And upgraded defence plans, with forces pre-assigned to defend specific Allies.

These troops will exercise together with home defence forces.

And they will become familiar with local terrain, facilities, and our new pre-positioned stocks.  So that they can respond smoothly and swiftly to any emergency. Together, this constitutes the biggest overhaul of our collective deterrence and defence since the Cold War. And to do this, we will need to invest more. Today, we are releasing new defence spending figures. They show that 2022 will be the eighth consecutive year of increases across European Allies and Canada. By the end of the year, they will have invested well over 350 billion US dollars extra since we agreed our defence investment pledge in 2014. Nine Allies now reach – or exceed – the 2% target. Nineteen Allies have clear plans to reach it by 2024. And an additional five have concrete commitments to meet it thereafter. Two percent is increasingly considered a floor, not a ceiling. We will also agree to invest more together in NATO. For the benefit of our security.

The Ukrainian government and people continue to resist Russia’s brutal war of aggression. Their courage and commitment are an inspiration. And I welcome that President Zelenskyy will join us at the NATO Summit. NATO and Allies have provided substantial support to Ukraine since Russia’s illegal annexation of Crimea in 2014. Including with military and financial aid. And training for tens of thousands of Ukrainian forces. All of this is making a difference on the battlefield every day. And since the invasion in February, Allies have stepped up even more. With billions of euros’ worth of military, financial, and humanitarian assistance. At the Summit, we will agree a strengthened Comprehensive Assistance Package for Ukraine. This will include substantial deliveries of support. In areas like secure communications, anti-drone systems, and fuel. Over the longer term, we will help Ukraine transition from Soviet-era military equipment, to modern NATO equipment. And further strengthen its defence and security institutions. At the Summit, we will also take decisions to continue adapting NATO.”

You can read the full transcript here.

George has a degree in Cyber Security from Glasgow Caledonian University and has a keen interest in naval and cyber security matters and has appeared on national radio and television to discuss current events. He also works for the NHS. George is on Twitter at @geoallison
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Cymbeline
Cymbeline
1 month ago

About time they got serious with numbers, wait to see what the actual orbat will be.

Darren hall
Darren hall
1 month ago
Reply to  Cymbeline

Indeed…
It will be interesting to see if any of the member nations (Hungary springs to mind) are not that inclined to put troops forward…

Brooklyn
Brooklyn
1 month ago
Reply to  Cymbeline

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Last edited 1 month ago by Brooklyn
Sean
Sean
1 month ago

Meanwhile Russia uses cruise missiles to take out a strategically significant shopping centre…

Barry Larking
Barry Larking
1 month ago
Reply to  Sean

JohninMK will explain.

Marked
Marked
1 month ago
Reply to  Barry Larking

Probably where all the nato operatives shop for key supplies.

Sean
Sean
1 month ago
Reply to  Barry Larking

He’ll deny it was a shopping centre,
or that the Ukrainians had installed a HIMARS next to the deli counter,
or that it must have been a false flag attack by the Ukranians…

because he’s incapable of admitting the truth.

JohninMK
JohninMK
1 month ago
Reply to  Sean

Looked more like a block of flats in the photo I saw. Anti air operations in large cities have always been fraught with danger. You may remember that there was a similar Kiev block hit by a missile back I think in March. At the time social media videos were still allowed and it was determined that it was a misfiring Ukrainian S-300 or Buk missile. Whilst those videos are no longer seen the Russians are saying that last night the same happened again. In their words, which I know some of you will dismiss as tosh, but they have… Read more »

Spyinthesky
Spyinthesky
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Well we have seen video on the news and quite clearly it is a shopping centre shopping centres of this nature do not look remotely like residential blocks even when blocks are built on top of them. Either way targeting civilians in their homes or while shopping is a war crime however you may try to spin it. Equally, as they have little regard for such non military targets while using heavy artillery and multiple rocket launchers I doubt that they would suddenly develop a soft side while releasing long range missiles. The only question is whether it was deliberate… Read more »

JohninMK
JohninMK
1 month ago
Reply to  Spyinthesky

Two sites. See my comments below.

Meirion X
Meirion X
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

It’s certainly is tosh, your opinion, just like they were before Pootin’s War on Ukraine started.
It was a direct hit from a Russian missile on the wrong target! I mean the hit on the block of flats on Sunday morning.
So just give yourself a break MAN!

Last edited 1 month ago by Meirion X
JohninMK
JohninMK
1 month ago
Reply to  Meirion X

See my comment below.

Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Give your shite a break you yapping Putin lap dog! Any condemnation of Putins illegal invasion of Ukraine yet?

Netking
Netking
1 month ago
Reply to  Airborne

I admire your persistence by asking him this question but he has nothing and won’t respond until Moscow gives their troll team new talking points to run with.

Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago
Reply to  Netking

I know I know I should give it a rest but every single time he refuses to condemn he confirms he is a sad Nazi Putin loving troll! Cheers.

Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago
Reply to  Airborne

Not at all as you won’t reply, as you support the illegal invasion of Ukraine but are to cowardly to admit it. Simple really.

David Barry
David Barry
1 month ago
Reply to  Airborne

He’s got a point, you did used to throw yourself out of planes capable of landing 😉

Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago
Reply to  David Barry

But with 2 parachutes and a very thick skull 😂👍!

Posse Comitatus
Posse Comitatus
1 month ago
Reply to  Airborne

You won’t answer because of moral cowardice on your part, a typically spineless, clueless dictator’s lapdog, who comes out yapping but then, like a frightened reptile slithers back under its rock when challenged. I’ve chocolate teapots that have more integrity than you.

JohninMK
JohninMK
1 month ago
Reply to  Netking

Why should I answer? It is not a condition of posting on this site that we publish our political stance.

Its just a pathetic waste of time and space asking time and time again, along the lines of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

So anyway any condemnation of Putins illegal invasion of Ukraine yet?

Netking
Netking
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

So based on your response I’m assuming you answered that question at some point previously. If that’s the case then can you point me to where you did as I’m very much interested in hearing the Russian point of view on this.

Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago
Reply to  Netking

He hasn’t and he won’t as he is a coward mate!

Meirion X
Meirion X
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Speaking of Yourself again, with you now making accusations of insanity?
If you Don’t like the heat in the kitchen, Get out of the kitchen!
As I said before give yourself a break MAN!

Last edited 1 month ago by Meirion X
Dern
Dern
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

So, you’re not condeming Putins illegal invasion then? So you’re saying that naked aggression and targeting civilians is okay got it.

Jim
Jim
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Since you have been asked likely a bazillion times if you condem the invasion of Ukraine and have refused to do so ,presumable you support said Invasion? I think the pertinent question here is why do you support the invasion of Ukraine by Russia? Maybe it would move things along if you explained your, self evident ,support for Russia in this case.

Meirion X
Meirion X
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Any condemnation of your master Pootin’s invasion and the war on Ukraine, yet?

JohninMK
JohninMK
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

OK, there were two incidents, one in Kiev, which was the one I mentioned above and one in the Kremenchuk shopping centre which is the one I think Sean mentioned. There are problems with both in that both buildings back onto major armaments/munitions works. In Kiev that same building was damaged in another strike on April 29 and has been empty since. The target, the Artyom plant, which produces air-to-air guided missiles and artillery shells, was apparently destroyed last night by four Kh-101s. Behind the Kremenchuk shopping centre was the large Kredmash machine plant which also may have been a… Read more »

Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

You answer yourself to back up your nonsense but you won’t answer anyones question about your refusal to condemn Putins illegal invasion of Ukraine? Here is your opportunity to do so.

AV
AV
1 month ago
Reply to  Airborne

No chance, will as always dodge that one.
Maybe he’ll get one of his alter-ego accounts to back him up?

Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago
Reply to  AV

I’m sure they are already on that one mate, sad Nazis trolls.

Meirion X
Meirion X
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Not true! The missile missed the empty building, but hit the block of flats instead.

Damo
Damo
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Have you heard yourself? Utter drivel

Barry Larking
Barry Larking
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Firstly, even if what you allege is true, Ukraine has right to arm itself. Secondly, it is not the aggressor here. You consistently fail to condemn that aggression. Your insouciant tone in the face of appalling atrocities is designed to provoke. You lack a shred of moral decency.

Sean
Sean
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Your excuses get even more pathetic and laughable, even the morons who support Putin should be capable of seeing through the tripe that you publish. The target in Kiev? Please feel free to believe it was destroyed, as you won’t target it again. Reality is that you missed and hit the same civilian housing block again. What level of incompetence is required to target the same facility, miss it, and hit the same civilian target twice in a row? 🤷🏻‍♂️ As for the shopping centre, it’s not near any military targets. There were mothers, fathers, children inside, they are now… Read more »

Darren hall
Darren hall
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Regardless of what you or others think. Regardless of what you or others claim. The base reality of the situation is simple… Russian Armed Forces invaded a Free Sovereign nation without any precursor attack by said nation… Children, women and men of that nation are dying. If that fact escapes you and others, then please, feel free to come and visit with me… I will introduce you to 7 Ukrainian families staying with people from my local parish. All women and children!! No men at all, they are at home, defending it… and none have ever been in the military…… Read more »

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Apartment block? Should of gone to specsavers

Last edited 1 month ago by Monkey spanker
JohninMK
JohninMK
1 month ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker
Last edited 1 month ago by JohninMK
Tams
Tams
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Stop trying to make it sound like we’re the ones confused here.

The first post was about the shopping centre. You said it looked like a block of flats.

You corrected yourself, but then claim the block of flats was empty, despite twelve people being injured and one killed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-60733921

It’s been fun seeing the Russian excuses here, but I think it’s time you were banned from here. It’s no longer entertaining and potential harmful. It certainly adds nothing to discussion of most topics you comment on.

Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago
Reply to  Tams

Have you seen the “impartial” website he is using as his evidence FFS what a pathetic figure he is now cutting!

AV
AV
1 month ago
Reply to  Tams

Totally agree, it’s now tantamount to hate speech.

Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

FFS you proudly use that website as a confirmed impartial link! It’s anti capitalist, anti war and anti liberal, as it’s menu states! Well at least it’s a website and not the usual random waster waffling on YouTube you seem to use more than not to “support” your crap! For someone who claims to spend such an amount of time on research your evidence and “proof” is so weak, pathetic and so fucking random (tin foil hat squad) it makes you seem even sadder than normal.

Sean
Sean
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Ah a photo and link to a Putin propaganda site, complete bollocks then.

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Your thoughts John on this terrible tragedy which also included a civilian apartment block?

Ukraine war: Russian strike on shopping centre a war crime – G7 leaders
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61956711

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Posse Comitatus
Posse Comitatus
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

As usual, you’re fulsome in your praise for the Russian military and full of belittling sneers and smears about anything Ukrainian. Even blaming them for defending themselves against a genocidal onslaught by Russia. “Anti air operations in large cities have always been fraught with danger .” Really ? Firstly, just what would you know about air defence, have you ever had to defend your home against armed assault?, and in point of fact, what’s really fraught with danger is the lives of innocent Ukrainian citizens in any town or region that is occupied by Russia, where theft, rape, summary execution,… Read more »

Barry Larking
Barry Larking
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

You never fail us. What a piece of work. The cause of all this destruction of life is solely down to a country and a man you have defended since the first Russian tank that wasn’t ever going to invaded Ukraine rolled in. Moral decency is just something other people possess.

Last edited 1 month ago by Barry Larking
Sean
Sean
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Yes well we’ve all previously established that you’re blind, deaf, and daft, so I’m not surprised you thought it was something else. I wouldn’t have been surprised if you said it was a absurdly large Ukrainian tank disguised as shopping centre. No the Russians claim every time they murder civilians that it’s misfiring Ukrainian air-defence missiles. But we known it’s Russian missiles deliberately targeting civilians, because it knows the only way it can win wars is by terrorising civilians and flattening cities. It’s sheer military incompetence means it’s unable to win any other way. I hope, one day, you suffer… Read more »

Dern
Dern
1 month ago
Reply to  Sean

The best thing is he’s gone “Oh no, we didn’t target a civilian shopping mall, we targeted a block of flats.” as if his side blowing up a block of flats, you know, where civilians, women and children live, WOULD BE ANY BETTER.

Tams
Tams
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

@Sean, spot on! With the very first sentence too, with its own paragraph!

JohninMK, I’ve screencapped that. I’m not going to let you forget your comment here.

As for the shopping centre that was hit. An intercepted missile simply does not do that much damage.

John Clark
John Clark
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Good god, he keeps going dosen’t he 🤣🤣🤣😂
Deny, deny, deny…..

Soooo, any condemnation of that murderous little shit Putin yet JohninMk?

Dern
Dern
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Fuck off. This was a deliberate attack on civilians, and the fact that you open with anything but “yes that was disgusting” is horrific.

AV
AV
1 month ago
Reply to  Barry Larking

That man is so delusional. Very sad.

Crabfat
Crabfat
1 month ago
Reply to  Sean

Excuse me Sean – they were using ‘high-precision missiles’ don’t y’know…

Sean
Sean
1 month ago
Reply to  Crabfat

Yes they used ‘high precision missiles’ so this was obviously the intended target and not an accident.

Spyinthesky
Spyinthesky
1 month ago
Reply to  Sean

It’s those damn Beko fridge sourced silicon chips they are using don’t you know …or maybe the string just snapped.

Sean
Sean
1 month ago
Reply to  Spyinthesky

I don’t think it was just the chips from Bekos, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Russians we having to drop Bekos out of the back of transport aircraft because they’re running out of munitions.

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
1 month ago
Reply to  Spyinthesky

Nowt wrong with Beko fridges Ive had one myself and its already lasted 4 weeks before it broke down.
Dont worry Johnski will be along to tell us all how the shopping centre was a front for Ukrainian Nazi party operatives and they were stockpiling NATO weapons there. Or that the special military operation is intended to rebuild Ukraine in the spirit of freedom and the new Russian Empire of Tsar Putin the Great. Problem is before rebuilding they have to flatten the place and depopulate it first.

Farouk
Farouk
1 month ago
Reply to  Sean

First the pro Russia crowd claimed that Moscow wouldn’t invade Then they claimed Moscow had to go in to remove the Nartsees Then they claimed they had to protect the Russian speaking people sorry Russians who have had to endure years of shelling from the above Nartsees Then they claimed that it was NATOs fault Then they claimed that it would be over soon Then they claimed that Ukraine could stop all this suffering if it simply stated it wouldn’t join NATO Then they claimed that Ukraine should think about its people’s welfare by surrendering Then they claimed that Sanctions… Read more »

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
1 month ago
Reply to  Farouk

Basically that means “wa, wa, wa it is all Ukraine fault because of wa, wa, wa.”

Have I got that right?

In this context wa, wa, wa can be replaced with any pseudo geopolitical rubbish of quotes from Mein Kamph that have been Vladimdated by Peter The Great II His Putiness.

The Artist Formerly Known As Los Pollos Chicken
The Artist Formerly Known As Los Pollos Chicken
1 month ago
Reply to  Farouk

F my man , I’m broadly with you on much of what you say however the whole sanctions thing is a wee bit Smokey/mirrors Russia made 78 billion dollars in the 1st 100 days of this conflict from energy sales. The price of oil has sky rocketed which has more than offset the Wests sanctions and half hearted boycott of Russian oil and the lower export volumes. Also Russia has easily found alternate buyers for its energy, notably China and India. It’s Europe these sanctions are having a greater effect on. Get this India is importing crude Russian oil, refining… Read more »

JohninMK
JohninMK
1 month ago
Reply to  Farouk

How about this? Every claim you sited is correct. But, as everyone here will be well aware, plans or predictions only last until the first contact with an enemy.

There is a long way to go yet.

Gavin Gordon
Gavin Gordon
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Absolutely. Plenty more time for Russia to regret the early decades of this century.

Spyinthesky
Spyinthesky
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

The claims themselves are correct, or the fact they used these claims as correctly detailed by Farouk? Never know with your nebulous use of language.

just deeply sad that 30 years of gradual disarmament and peace in Europe is now literally going up in smoke because one old, sick white guy thinks he wants to add Louis 14th to his Peter the Great song book.

Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

You sound pleased by the “long way to go yet” but! Does killing civvies excite you and your Nazi crowd? Any condemnation of Putins illegal invasion of Ukraine yet?

JohninMK
JohninMK
1 month ago
Reply to  Airborne

Why “pleased” it was a flatly expressed prediction.

Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

You answer to easy one liners but now your answering, just 7 minutes ago so I have your attention, any condemnation of Putins illegal invasion of Ukraine?

Barry Larking
Barry Larking
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

‘ … it was a flatly expressed prediction’.

Morally bankrupt.

Tomartyr
Tomartyr
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

John why exactly are you so pro-Putin? What does Russian expansion give you?
Perhaps you have misgivings about NATO but don’t quite grasp how much worse Putin’s Russia is?

Or would you describe yourself as neutral, and just really bad at explaining yourself?

Barry Larking
Barry Larking
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

‘There is along way to go yet.’

Repugnant.

Tams
Tams
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

‘cited’, my Russian stooge.

Dern
Dern
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

*cited

Learn English comrade.

Sean
Sean
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Indeed, and I’ll continue to support the Ukrainian military until they’ve wiped out every invading Russian scum
https://bank.gov.ua/en/news/all/natsionalniy-bank-vidkriv-spetsrahunok-dlya-zboru-koshtiv-na-potrebi-armiyi

Jacko
Jacko
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Have you even read the reply’s to your bullshit above!
Still you come on and defend this madness! What a c#nt you are.

Gavin Gordon
Gavin Gordon
1 month ago
Reply to  Farouk

Not my area of superstition, but gather your above includes the Pope.

Spyinthesky
Spyinthesky
1 month ago
Reply to  Gavin Gordon

Well let’s be honest they hardly have a great record over the centuries.

A Moore
A Moore
1 month ago
Reply to  Farouk

Under no circumstances will Russia tolerate the conversion of the Black Sea to into a NATO “llake”Western aggression caused Russia to annexe Crimea in 2014 and continued NATO aggression brought about the Special Military Operation as it poses an existential threat to Russia in perpetuity.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  A Moore

😂 What garbage. And I’m the toothfairie.

Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago

See what he called the invasion mate!

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Airborne

Yes mate, thought I’d dip my toe in for a bit of troll baiting.

He’s, it’s, a total embarrassment.

Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago

Agreed, I may give it a break as it’s taking me away from the actual stories we can chat about, but, I can’t promise anything lol

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Airborne

Nope, you’re troll baiter in chief mate. You can do both!😀

Barry Larking
Barry Larking
1 month ago
Reply to  Airborne

Please don’t go! I need a good laugh now and then.

Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago
Reply to  Barry Larking

You are far to nice to me, ok a few more challenges to the online SS nonce squad of JohninMK, James and Anal Moore then it’s back to serious story waffling 👍😂!

Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago

Put your handbag away, put down the Putin picture and tissue and troll somewhere else bot boy!

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago

1. Ukraine hasn’t joined NATO, and with a territorial dispute wouldn’t have been able to, as Russia should know all too well.

2. I’ve voiced my opposition to Ukraine’s NATO membership here before, so do keep up.

3. No, as Russia’s coastline borders much of it.

4. Insults only belittle yourself.

5. Russia’s own behaviour caused them to attack Crimea, no one forces them to do anything, certainly not NATO.

6. No one has posed an existential threat to Russia since Adolf Hitler.

It must be fun in your house.

Meirion X
Meirion X
1 month ago

In the past A Moore seemed, or pretend to be a retired non-com. Army officer some months back. Have I missed something happened to him since then?

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Meirion X

I’d read you mentioning that, never saw A Moore say that myself.
TH or Harold returned maybe?

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
1 month ago
Reply to  Meirion X

I think that was someone else with a similar handle?

The other Moore could write recognisable English sentences……also he checked out unless it was an assumed persona.

Ian M
Ian M
1 month ago
Reply to  Meirion X

Don’t confuse A. Moore with Graham Moore who is an excellent poster and ex R.E.M.E. officer I believe.

Meirion X
Meirion X
1 month ago

He was very convincing at the time?

Posse Comitatus
Posse Comitatus
1 month ago

Ah the nazi trollbot awakens and spews forth its bullshit. You’ve a long way to go with your spelling and grammar before you convince anyone here.

Here’s one for your algorithm, which is best, four candles or fork handles?

Last edited 1 month ago by Posse Comitatus
Jim
Jim
1 month ago

I’m almost certain I’ve been asked that on a pre-employment psych test before 🤣🤣👍

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
1 month ago

NATO countries already border the Black Sea and have done since nato was created. Turkey controls the only access point into and out of the Black Sea. Turkey is in nato! Russia also has always had access to the Black Sea due its coast line. Look at a map before u claim such nonsense.
The reason countries want to be part of nato is to protect them from other countries aggression. Perhaps Russia should be looking at itself for why countries do not want to be aligned with them instead of blaming everyone else for there own errors.

Damo
Damo
1 month ago

No. Look at the treaties about the black sea. Oh, treaties. Those things you disregard?

Barry Larking
Barry Larking
1 month ago

Is the North Sea a British Lake? Ever heard of the International Law of the Sea? My advice is stay away from sites where people understand more than you do and that’s nearly all of them except the ones run by Mr D. Icke.

A Moore
A Moore
1 month ago
Reply to  Barry Larking

War is the complete opposite of CIVILIZATION .There never has been any morality in war. What do you think the fire bombing of Hamburg,Dresden and Tokyo were?Its no good quoting Sunday School in war.Russia has the military capacity to totally kill the population of Europe and North America.Tyson Fury is not going to enter the ring against a Polar Bear,you obviously would.Biden immediately ordered the withdrawal of US naval vessels from the Black Sea on 24/2/22 and sent them to Greece.They have not returned.NATO is getting ever more desperate-they will be sanctioning russian butterfly milk next!The bloated mouth of Boris… Read more »

Posse Comitatus
Posse Comitatus
1 month ago
Reply to  A Moore

Russia is the opposite of civilization. Throughout the 20th century and this century its history is tainted by genocidal campaigns, death camps, mass imprisonment, warcrimes, attacks on neighbouring countries, invasions, oppression, economic stagnation, military and political incompetence, poisoning, chemical and nuclear attacks, barbarism, theft and murder. It is a fascist gangster mafia state now, run by a psychopath.

You haven’t a clue about what you’re talking about, another craven bullshit spouting apologist.

farouk
farouk
1 month ago
Reply to  A Moore

AM wrote: War is the complete opposite of CIVILIZATION Is it? Islam, the Mongols, the Incas, the Mayans, the Persians and even the West advanced their civilisations via the use of war. Due to war, we have seen the development of ideas which have advanced humanity : Nuclear power Jet engines Space race Medicine The Internet AM wrote: There never has been any morality in war. There isn’t, haven’t you heard of the age of chivalry, how about the truce on Christmas day, what about the Islamic penchant of allowing captives to buy their freedom. What about low yield weapons… Read more »

Garry Lister
Garry Lister
1 month ago
Reply to  A Moore

hey know what the A stands for in your name !!!

Last edited 1 month ago by Garry Lister
Dern
Dern
1 month ago

Turning it into a NATO lake would require the annexation of Rostok, Novorossyisk, Sochi and Batumi by NATO.

Hint: NATO isn’t the side that annexes other nations lands.

Dern
Dern
1 month ago
Reply to  Dern

Yeah, fuck off cunt.
Come back when you can geography, because unlike you, I can read a map.

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Sean
Sean
1 month ago

NATO controls which ships can enter and leave the Black Sea, so yes, it’s a ‘NATO Lake’ already! 😂

Jim
Jim
1 month ago

Ooooooh ‘child’ huh that word alone speaks of an overbearing and insufferable personality flaw?

Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago
Reply to  A Moore

You even termed it a special military operation FFS total confirmed troll, a troll being so obvious in order to deflect from JohninMKs garbage but on occasion more subtle propaganda.

ChariotRider
ChariotRider
1 month ago
Reply to  Airborne

Yeh, certainly read like bad cop, worse cop with these two…

Point is, that for all their trolling and Russian mis-information generally the West is still holding firm as this announcement from NATO clearly shows.

Must be realling peeing them off…

Cheers CR

Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

Agreed, the amount of trolling and ms-information in general shows they are flapping like fuck!

Barry Larking
Barry Larking
1 month ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

Let us summarise the ‘special operation’ thus far. Elite troops and crack special forces thrashed before the gates of Kyiv, one of the most astounding feats of arms in Europe for 77 years at least. The ‘special operation’ designed to ‘halt’ N.A.T.O. expansion has resulted in Sweden, effectively neutral since the end of the Napoleonic Wars, to apply to join N.A.T.O. Finland, studiously neutral since 1944, also wishes to join N.A.T.O. Last January only minorities in both those countries considered joining N.A.T.O. was in the national interest. Effectively the entire western world is united as hardly ever before. Vladimir Putin,… Read more »

ChariotRider
ChariotRider
1 month ago
Reply to  Barry Larking

Nice summary Barry, I’ve said much the same sort of things myself over the last few months.

You can also add that Ben Wallace is asking for more money for defence backed up by the CGS.

Trouble is dictators who surround themselves with supporters and sycophants get told what they want to hear so make real world decisions based fairy tale data…

Cheers CR

russ
russ
1 month ago
Reply to  Barry Larking

what an c*** you are….

Sean
Sean
1 month ago
Reply to  Airborne

He probably had to call it a “special military operation” – JohnInMK has probably been disciplined by his superiors for referring to it as a “war”.
Putin jails people for using that word.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
1 month ago
Reply to  A Moore

You really have to declare your background (nationality and military experience) as everyone otherwise will think you are a Russian troll.
Then we can discuss your claims.

Paul.P
Paul.P
1 month ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Indeed. But before we sentence AM to ritual stoning we might reflect that given that the West did nothing about Russian involvement in Syria and failed to anticipate Crimea we are where we are either because of monumental foreign policy failures to read the Russian psyche, which I find difficult to believe, or because some groups in the west actually wanted to provoke a war with Russia.

Barry Larking
Barry Larking
1 month ago
Reply to  Paul.P

Up you your last sentence you made sense. Joe Biden could not provoke anyone to wear socks. Dictators such as Vladimir Putin are not provoked; they scheme. He saw weakness, in America, in Germany, at the U.N. and he struck when he was ready. Or so he thought.

Paul.P
Paul.P
1 month ago
Reply to  Barry Larking

The strategy of subtle provocation has been going on for some time: see my post to Sean. And bears all the hallmarks of Donald Trump.
After his divorce (2014) we saw Putin embrace macho man. It was clear to thinking people that we were dealing with wounded animal; bear baiting is not the way to proceed.

Sean
Sean
1 month ago
Reply to  Paul.P

No provocation.

After Afghanistan and Iraq the public in the West were sick of wars. Unprincipled politicians picked up on this and voted against action in Syria.
Putin interpreted this as weakness, and as a former KGB thug and bully he sought to exploit this.

Like most bad shit in life, it’s explainable by fuck-ups, no need for Spectre style conspiracies.

Paul.P
Paul.P
1 month ago
Reply to  Sean

I disagree. ‘Provocation’ can take subtle forms. Russia has for centuries attempted to become an outward looking European country. For this it needs guaranteed access to the Baltic and the Black Sea. It sees ‘the west’ gradually encroaching to control these routes. It does not see NATO as a ‘defensive alliance’. It sees it as a military alliance capable of depriving it of key ports. The powers that be have engineered what for Russia is an existential crisis.

Sean
Sean
1 month ago
Reply to  Paul.P

(a) The Baltic and Black Sea are international sea lines, they’re not for being controlled no more than we can stop Russian ships using the English Channel, which we can’t. (b) Global warming is ensuring that ports which were previously iced up over winter are navigable all year round. (c) Aside from raw materials Russia doesn’t produce anything, and both oil and gas can be pumped overland through pipelines far more cheaply than by tanker. Russia doesn’t see this as an existential crisis, Putin sees this as an opportunity to grab land and paint himself as some great leader. You… Read more »

Paul.P
Paul.P
1 month ago
Reply to  Sean

Well we are not going to agree. One last attempt…if you are dealing with a leader who is emerging from a divorce with a wounded psyche and a persecution complex you don’t play to his fears by pressing his cultural buttons.

Sean
Sean
1 month ago
Reply to  Paul.P

If he didn’t want to get divorced he wouldn’t have. He’s not above physically threatening the mother if his children. As it is, he’s shagging a former Olympic gymnast young enough to be his daughter FFS – well assuming he can still get it up, possibly the entire swaggering warload thing is because he’s impotent. He has no culture. He’s an opportunist bully and fantasist who joined the KGB because he watched too many Cold War spy tv series and pictured himself as a Russian Janes Bond. He now fantasies himself as the successor to Peter the Great. He clearly… Read more »

A Moore
A Moore
1 month ago
Reply to  Sean

Try this for size.Who produced Russias 13509 Artillery tubes compared with UKs 256 including those in storage.Who produced Russias 6257 nuclear warheads compared with UK 225.As for America ,they lead the world in producing…………….VFP(very fat people) and little else.The UK produces lots of paper money and little else,

Farouk
Farouk
1 month ago
Reply to  Paul.P

PP wrote: that the West did nothing about Russian involvement in Syria  I’m sorry, but what would you have wanted the West to have done. Syria as a state was on the cusp of falling to a band of jihadists in 2015 when Moscow officially supported it with military support. At the time (well actually a year before) the world was more concerned with the ISIS invasion of Iraq which saw the Iraqi military collapse and ISIS knocking on the door of Bagdad a full year before Moscow sent troops into Syria. Maybe just maybe the West was more concerned… Read more »

Paul.P
Paul.P
1 month ago
Reply to  Farouk

Syria is worth a thread of its own. As in Vietnam the US found it difficult to parse nationalism from ideology, simplistically categorising everyone as an Islamic terrorist. PTSD following 9/11. There are voices in the US today who are suggesting the leader of al-Nusra (I think) should be taken off the terrorist list.
The Iraqi WMD saga has been exhaustively debated.

farouk
farouk
1 month ago
Reply to  Paul.P

Paul wrote:

Syria is worth a thread of its own

So let me get this right, you brought into the conversation Syria in which to try and claim the moral righteous card, and then when somebody replied with a lot more knowledge on the subject than your good self, you ink the board by quoting Vietnam in which to allow you to scuttle off up the nearest dark hole like a Cephalopod

Paul.P
Paul.P
1 month ago
Reply to  farouk

What? I’m not claiming any moral high ground, neither am I an expert on Syria. But I’m sure that Russia would not have gone in without a signal from the US and for all I know the UK that there would be no problem. The one moral point I would make is that refugees from war torn Syria don’t seem to get fast tracked immigration visas….. As AM says the west fears Russian influence in the east. Having left the EU block the UK needs to weaken Russia and replace it as India’s best friend. The ‘Indo-Pacific tilt’ is a… Read more »

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Paul.P
Paul.P
1 month ago
Reply to  farouk

Bye the way, sorry for being an a-&s. It’s been a bad day.

A Moore
A Moore
1 month ago
Reply to  Paul.P

The latter posit is correct but should read “weaken”Russia.What the west fears is Russias pivot to Asia

Paul.P
Paul.P
1 month ago
Reply to  A Moore

Yes, weaken is a closer description. I do believe the war in Ukraine could have been awarded had we wished to do so,

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
1 month ago
Reply to  Paul.P

Paul, Russian involvement in Syria was ostensibly part of the international anti-IS ‘alliance’ but it soon became clear that they aided Syrian forces in their oppression. What could the West do? The West, especially Obama, also did not deal with Assad when he unleashed chemical weapons against his own people.

I don’t see that this weakness translates into a desire to provoke a war with Russia – logic says that the West was tryng to avoid conflict with Russia by its inactivity.

Paul.P
Paul.P
1 month ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Well, ok, UNCLE….it’s a bad day 🥴

Paul.P
Paul.P
1 month ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Graham, just one last thought on this…any dog owner will tell you that your well behaved mutt, if it’s on a lead is likely to get attacked by an agressive dog which is roaming free…an animal knows when you can’t or won’t defend yourself. I think this is what happened with Obama, Putin and Syria. Putin is KGB. He works on the animal level. Not provocation as such …but you see what I’m getting at. Cheers

Meirion X
Meirion X
1 month ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Please accept my apologies to you Graham!
I confused A Moore with you. Now I know that he is not the same person.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Meirion X

So that’s why you mentioned army officer!!

FFS Graham is one of us!

Meirion X
Meirion X
1 month ago

I have now realised my mistake, thinking he was someone else. The real G Moore who is genuine.
Apologies for any offence caused.

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Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins
1 month ago

Some potentially good news Daniele.

“Britain and its allies face their “1937 moment” following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and must do everything possible to avert another world war, the new head of the Army is set to say.

The warning emerged as Prime Minister Boris Johnson is expected to announce an uplift in UK defence spending this week, in line with growing security challenges.”

https://news.sky.com/story/britain-and-allies-face-1937-moment-following-ukraine-war-head-of-army-to-warn-12641463

And a prayer for the innocent people of Ukraine who are suffering daily.

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Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
1 month ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

The real Mr Moore returns fire!

Spyinthesky
Spyinthesky
1 month ago
Reply to  A Moore

Bloody hell someone’s been reading the hymn sheet.

Damo
Damo
1 month ago
Reply to  A Moore

Hahahaha! Russia went to war to prevent war? That is the most stupid thing I’ve ever heard

Damo
Damo
1 month ago
Reply to  Damo

Nice try. Now I know you’re just pillocking. Was A Moore the name of the tutor who spoke English on the CDs you used to learn English in Pune? Now you spend time in an anti west social media farm? Little tip, stop copying and pasting things from your crob sheets without removing the capitalisation. We can tell it’s copied and pasted. And by the way, in true Indian social media form, using obscure and out of date English phrases does make you better at English. It shows you’re trying too hard

Matt
Matt
1 month ago
Reply to  Damo

Slight difference.

Russia invaded Ukraine.

UK expelled an invader from the Falklands.

A Moore
A Moore
1 month ago
Reply to  Matt

And how did they do that without invading the Falklands?a little investment in socratic questioning would do you some good.You confuse actus reus with mens rea dear child.

Barry Larking
Barry Larking
1 month ago
Reply to  A Moore

Nurse! Nurse! He’s out of his bed again!

Another example of moral turpitude.

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
1 month ago
Reply to  Barry Larking

No morality- but there are international laws and Russia has committed mass rape, looting, crimes against humanity. slaughter of innocent non combatant civilians. Would you care to either deny those facts or at least have the decency to admit they are wrong?
To be honest I hope Putin does get too confident and makes a single mistake so NATO can go in and kick your Russian fascist arses back to the stone age.

A Moore
A Moore
1 month ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

Law is for lawyers,War is for warriors.Lawyers only speak for victorious warriors,see Mcarthurs speach on USS Missouri.”ALL ISSUES HAVE BEEN SETTLED ON THE BATTLEFIELD”Keep up your Sunday School lessons.

Tams
Tams
1 month ago
Reply to  A Moore

Oohhhh boi, here we go!

A Moore
A Moore
1 month ago
Reply to  Tams

Like it.

Sean
Sean
1 month ago
Reply to  A Moore

Well clearly Putin doesn’t have any maps if he thinks that. The Black Sea is bordered by Bulgaria, Georgia, Romania, Russia, Turkey, and Ukraine. Of these Bulgaria, Romania, and Turkey are member states of NATO, representing over half the Black Sea coastline. Add in those countries who want to join NATO, namely Ukraine and Georgia, and the Black Sea is virtually a NATO lake already. But the clincher? A NATO member, Turkey, controls all maritime access to and from the Black Sea via the Bosporus. Which is why no Russia is unable to send any ships to reinforce its rapidly… Read more »

Sean
Sean
1 month ago
Reply to  Sean

You’re an idiot.
With bad English grammar.
Your logic is nonsense.
Fuck off.

Rfn_Weston
Rfn_Weston
1 month ago
Reply to  Sean

I’d like to second the 4th point.

Ian M
Ian M
1 month ago
Reply to  Rfn_Weston

Thirds

Jim
Jim
1 month ago
Reply to  A Moore

You see John its easy to come clean with your ‘beliefs’ on here after all. It’s a shame and a missed chance to disentangle yourself that you have to change your name to do so. Alfred Hitchcock would have loved you as a movie character back in his day 👍

Farouk
Farouk
1 month ago
Reply to  A Moore

AM wrote: Under no circumstances will Russia tolerate the conversion of the Black Sea to into a NATO “llake Do you know where the Black sea is do you know that Russia on its own holds (by legal accounting of its borders and not including the annexed parts of other countries (Ukraine and Georgia) around 14% of the black sea coast line, the 3 NATO countries (Turkey/Bulgaria/ Romania) hold just under 33% of the Black Sea coast line and the Ukraine by international law (and before 2014) held 48% of the shoreline, but as others have mentioned after Moscow annexed the… Read more »

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
1 month ago
Reply to  Farouk

Well Russia could of been strong and all it had to do was stay in its own borders. Why can’t you grasp that is what nearly all people have an issue with. Nato would never of launched a special operation onto Russian soil so Russia was completely safe. Nor would it launch a first nuclear strike. So all your points about nato expansionism are irrelevant. Believe it or not all European countries have tried really hard to be Russias friend from end of the Cold War. To work together economically and strategically. Be it russia given partner status at nato;… Read more »

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
1 month ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

Also if Europe is so evil why is putins mistress and children hiding out in Switzerland instead of mother Russia?

Meirion X
Meirion X
1 month ago
Reply to  Farouk

Another mad rant, from Lavrov here, isn’t it?
You have really lost your kettle, haven’t You!

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TypewriterMonkey
TypewriterMonkey
1 month ago
Reply to  Farouk

“…it was “Russian”President Yeltsin who demanded that”Soviet “President”Gorbachov dissolve the Soviet Union which occured on 26/12/1991.The following day 25 million Russians wokeup in a foreign country…”

That’s a great point you make. The Russians screwed themselves and they’ve been blaming the west ever since. As for the rest it’s a mix of neo-imperialism, and dodgy Russo-nationalism, and paranoid conspiracy theory.

farouk
farouk
1 month ago
Reply to  Farouk

AM,
Bloody hell I know I enjoy reading sci fi, but you really should have your own aisle.

A Moore
A Moore
1 month ago
Reply to  Farouk

You have just defeated your own argument by repeating my points.Logical debating position?

eclipse
eclipse
1 month ago
Reply to  A Moore

“In perpetuity” is the cherry on the cake here 😂

Levi Goldsteinberg
Levi Goldsteinberg
1 month ago
Reply to  A Moore

I would love to know what Russia thinks it can do to prevent the Black Sea becoming a “NATO lake”. With Turkey guarding the Bosphorus, and RAF Akrotiri covering the approaches, how exactly would Russia plan on reinforcing its rustbuckets it calls a navy?

David Barry
David Barry
1 month ago

I think they only have submarines left… admittedly, some are unable to resurface.

A Moore
A Moore
1 month ago
Reply to  David Barry

6257 Nuclear warheads is what Russia has in its locker.More then the rest of the world combined.Meanwhile continue to count western sardine tins.On 24/2/2022 US warships were ordered to withdraw IMMEDIATELY from the black sea and proceed to Greece.

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
1 month ago

They aren’t even rust buckets- I would describe them as artificial reefs. Placed their deliberately by Russia to ensure a healthy Black sea environment and biodiversity.

Dern
Dern
1 month ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

Have you seen images of them trying to load a SAM system from a floating crane onto a landing barge?

It almost didn’t need the Ukranians to bomb them.

A Moore
A Moore
1 month ago

6257 Nuclear Warheads answer you puerile posit.

Darren hall
Darren hall
1 month ago
Reply to  A Moore

😂

Spyinthesky
Spyinthesky
1 month ago
Reply to  Farouk

Well as they are already claiming through the comic demonic mutterings of Lavrov that this is all a reflection of WW2 where it was Russia v the rest of Europe apparently (casually ignoring it was the Soviets who created a pact between them and the Nazis to split a conquered Europe between them) I’m sure there is ample scope to re write the history of the Universe to suit their narrative. It will be Klingons operating out of NATO bases next no doubt which no doubt MK will demand that we prove isn’t true.

A Moore
A Moore
1 month ago
Reply to  Spyinthesky

I definitely saw Klingons up your nostrils

Meirion X
Meirion X
1 month ago
Reply to  A Moore

Lavrov, another fit of rage from you again! As usual from a Nut Job like You!
So for FS, just put yourself out of your misery, so take a jump somewhere!

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Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago
Reply to  A Moore

Wow, top of the range post, that got you some spuds and a promotion to turd cleaner.

Meirion X
Meirion X
1 month ago
Reply to  Farouk

Precisely!

Darren hall
Darren hall
1 month ago
Reply to  Farouk

Next… Kazakhstan

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
1 month ago
Reply to  Farouk

Excellent summary- I think you have alluded very well to Russia’s “foreign policy”
Missed out the real peach though from their foreign minister today. IN a speech in Turkmenistan, that great bastion for free speech and diplomacy.
NATO weapons are prolonging the war. We should stop supplying them and the suffering would be over quicker.
Sheezus these people are more delusional and brain-washed than those who joined the SS in 1939-1945- albeit more dangerous as they have their finger on the nuclear holocaust button.

A Moore
A Moore
1 month ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

You mean the Ukrainians who joined the SS DivisionGalicia.Einsatzgruppen D.manned the gas chambers at Treblinka and who fought against British forces on the Normandy Beaches(including my father the Green Howards)Their Trawniki men would soon do for you dont worry about it.A disgusting people.

Posse Comitatus
Posse Comitatus
1 month ago
Reply to  A Moore

Ah look, there he goes again, the fawning little dictator’s poodle, yapping out his incomprehensible bullshit before he scuttles back back behind his masters legs. Revelling in the murder and rape of innocents like a coward.

Go back to the Kremlin and polish your leader’s turds. It’s all that you’re good for.

Meirion X
Meirion X
1 month ago

Great comment!

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  A Moore

All true. Yet all irrelevant.
Russian NKVD murdered thousands at Katyn, and millions elsewhere, Germans killed millions in the Holocaust, and Romanians killed tens of thousands of Jews in and around Odessa. Your point?

Meirion X
Meirion X
1 month ago
Reply to  A Moore

Speaking of yourself, as you are correct to call yourself a disgusting CONMAN, using FAKE name etc!
Your Father was most likely in the SS!

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Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago
Reply to  A Moore

Yawn yawn bore off with your chuff and very bad trolling. You cant even formulate a logical sentence. What about the millions of Russians on the Eastern front who joined the German army. Give your handbag a break.

GlynH
GlynH
1 month ago
Reply to  Sean

Got to love the Russian paths of explanation here. 1) If they ordered the strike then they are just turds. 2) If they didn’t order the strike then whosoever launched is incompetent, inefficient, corrupt (or all 3). 3) If they targeted something else then the weapon’s accuracy is a joke.

The Artist Formerly Known As Los Pollos Chicken
The Artist Formerly Known As Los Pollos Chicken
1 month ago
Reply to  Sean

Sean you surely are aware the target that was hit was the Kredmash machine plant which is right beside the shopping centre? . The shopping centre was NOT the target and was damaged as a result of the strike. Half truths make for good outrage opportunities.

As always truth is the first casualty of any war .

Again don’t support Russia , don’t approve of their actions and don’t endorse this war.

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇬🇧

Sean
Sean
1 month ago

That’s what they might have been aiming at, with their old anti-ship missile, but what they hit was the shopping mall – apparently in the vacuity of a toy shop.

Barry Larking
Barry Larking
1 month ago

Halting N.A.T.O. expansion worked well Vladimir …

Crabfat
Crabfat
1 month ago

More pre-positioned equipment?
Stockpiles of military supplies?
Forward-deployed capabilities?
Air defence?

Good lord – what will they think of next!

David
David
1 month ago
Reply to  Crabfat

Soooooo, where will we fit in because I don’t think we have much of anything on that list!

Crabfat
Crabfat
1 month ago
Reply to  David

We’ve got some nice Ajax IFVs coming down the line – we could donate them…! Or perhaps we could just give them to the Russians, after which they would all be quivering, deaf wrecks!

Ian M
Ian M
1 month ago
Reply to  Crabfat

Hi Crabfat, just being picky really……AJAX is a Recce platform, NOT an IFV.
cheers

Paul.P
Paul.P
1 month ago
Reply to  Crabfat

Today’s NATO announcement will provide the MOD with a handy excuse to buy it’s way out of the General Dynamics Ajax contract…wouldn’t be surprised to see an announcement on reinstatement of WCSP and that Ajax is miraculously cured and going into production.

Martin
Martin
1 month ago

Given that we and the USA are cutting troop numbers I have a hard time in seeing NATO going from 40,000 to 300,000. Nice sounding headline but I seriously doubt it means much. I can’t see any new brigades forming in the baltics, hope I am wrong.

Mark
Mark
1 month ago
Reply to  Martin

Poland alone is talking about going to 400k, though how between their equipment shopping list and such increased manpower they are going to pay for it is another question.

Simon
Simon
1 month ago
Reply to  Mark

And find the people to meet that 400k force

JohninMK
JohninMK
1 month ago
Reply to  Simon

The US Army in particular is having major recruiting problems and have had to lower their qualification standards again. No doubt this is true across all NATO when the military is not looked up to as a desirable career. A bit too much like hard work perhaps for our modern society.

Spyinthesky
Spyinthesky
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

It’s all going to be killer robots don’t ya know just like in those fantastic 40s/50s Soviet posters. Aah those were the days.

AV
AV
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Er???…no.
Hows the Russian recruitment of replacement generals going?.

Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago
Reply to  AV

Don’t take the piss, the ones coming out of retirement are quality, have you seen the latest obese fat mess to be dragged back into the Russian SS! He’s going to have a great time trying to hide that fat arse from Ukraine SF and OS!

AV
AV
1 month ago
Reply to  Airborne

Yes, and researching him he’s a total nut job.

Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago
Reply to  AV

Agreed, seen his record in Syria, just a fat Nazi.

Dern
Dern
1 month ago
Reply to  Airborne

He could be an entire front on his own. Don’t undersestimate him.

Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago
Reply to  Dern

👍🥮🍩🥧 a murdering fat slob, I seethefitness standards have dropped considerably, I mean how is he supposed to do the 20 yard dash to catch young girls and kids, like the rest of his dross!!!

Barry Larking
Barry Larking
1 month ago
Reply to  Dern

😅

Sean
Sean
1 month ago
Reply to  AV

Difficult I’d imagine – 11 dead generals with others relieved of command for incompetence.

Over 30+ colonels smoked too.

Of course we don’t know how many were killed by the Ukrainians and how many were killed by their own mutineering troops. 😆

AV
AV
1 month ago
Reply to  Sean

Yes Harold’s Army not doing too well…the worry of the massed Red Army has been a lie.

Barry Larking
Barry Larking
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Or backward ones like Russia, scraping the barrel as we chat. It wasn’t meant to be like this, was it Vladimir? Just a ‘Motor holiday’ wasn’t it? Over by lunchtime.

Simon
Simon
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

I expect a large number of people will be motivated by what is going on in the Ukrainian. That usually happen when there is a war on.Health care and chance of a collage eduction are a driver in the US which help with recruitment. Maybe the problem the NATO member have is that the vast majority are looking for highly motivated & tech savvy recruits for today armed forces. One thing this conflict has shown is that conscription & not having a core of professional NCO doesn’t work

Sean
Sean
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

“OUR modern society” – since when was Russia part of modern society? You’re rapidly degenerating back to medieval days – you’ve already achieved that with your political system and I’m sure a year from now your economy will be heading there too.

A Moore
A Moore
1 month ago
Reply to  Sean

And how long did you work in Russia and travel throughout it?

Sean
Sean
1 month ago
Reply to  A Moore

You’re lying scum.

Meirion X
Meirion X
1 month ago
Reply to  A Moore

You are obviously a lying scum of a CONMAN!

Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago
Reply to  A Moore

Yaaaaaaaawn, grow up you sad little lap dog.

David Barry
David Barry
1 month ago
Reply to  Mark

Probably all the cars they push out. Along with hosting the European Amazon hub.

David Barry
David Barry
1 month ago
Reply to  Martin

Latvia was pushing to double their strength, effectively, a new brigade. And there is a reason that Latvia provided Stalinist Generals and protection troops – they’re nails.

Example? Their officer cadets get dropped off… naked… for 3 days in January -° can be -40°, I’ve been outside with -30° at 6a.m.

Well, they’ve been given the skills and drills and they either survive or… don’t attend the Passing Out Parade. Even Airborne might not sign up for that one 😉

Dern
Dern
1 month ago
Reply to  Martin

It’s not NATO going from 40,000 to 300,000. It’s increasing the high readyness troops. These are prepositioned soldiers, or soldiers on short notice to move, which means they kit is prepped and ready to go. It’s not about raw numbers in NATO forces, it’s about keeping them on high alert.

dan
dan
1 month ago

And how many troops is Germany providing? lol

Farouk
Farouk
1 month ago
Reply to  dan

Dan wrote:

And how many troops is Germany providing? lol

I heard that the British have signed up the new cast of “On the Buses” to spearhead the British contingent:. Only Olive remains from the original cast:
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The young lad at the back is based on Pte Pike from Dads Army.

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Jack
Jack
1 month ago
Reply to  Farouk

What a shower, SMH.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
1 month ago
Reply to  Farouk

This motley crew must have been assembled for a diversity PR photo?

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

My wife’s just walked past and asked “is that the British Army?” !

Are they reservists from an inner city AR centre?

My wife has also just asked “What’s that on her head?”

Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago

I thought they looked like reserves mate or a PR get together for a diversity photo opportunity!

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Airborne

Can you ID the cap badge? It looks a bit like the RIR! 😆

Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago

Yep, possibly now thinking Vader instructors possibly? Front row are officers, cannot quite see the rank flash slide!

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Airborne

London Irish Rifles Coy of London Reg is in Camberwell. Badge looks similar on G images.

Last edited 1 month ago by Daniele Mandelli
Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago

You should have joined the int corp mate, your research skills and drills are top bloody notch!!!!!

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Airborne

Lol, cheers mate. I just have a VERY large database to draw on to look up details.

Yes, I like finding out stuff.

David Barry
David Barry
1 month ago
Reply to  Airborne

They’ve ditched our beloved caubeen and the green hackle

I had to eat so many smarties – washed the hackle, and dried it in the smartie tubes.

David Barry
David Barry
1 month ago

London Irish. My first unit.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  David Barry

Oh! Were they a regular outfit back then?

David Barry
David Barry
1 month ago

Nope, AR. However, Belfast was interesting when wearing green.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Airborne

Yes PR photo from various units.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
1 month ago

Your wife is very funny and very shrewd. This is about the worst photo of the British Army I have ever seen – and that has nothing to do with racial mix.

DAVE
DAVE
1 month ago
Reply to  Farouk

Olive died in a fire this year sadly

AV
AV
1 month ago
Reply to  Farouk

Jesus Christ, is this photo for real!?..some are officers as well 😧.
Woke bollocks getting silly now.

farouk
farouk
1 month ago
Reply to  AV

Yup off the MOD twitter site, here’s another one:

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AV
AV
1 month ago
Reply to  farouk

Jesus!… and it’s got nothing to do with race either…the armed forces should be purely based on merit and ability. (of foreign origin myself).

Dern
Dern
1 month ago
Reply to  AV

Question: Do you think Sikhs should have to shave their beards and remove their turbans when serving in the Armed Forces?

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Dern

Not asked of me, but will give my answer, and that is that is a difficult one!!!
Am I right in saying only certain posts in the army may wear beards anyway? I recall reading about Pioneers?
I know whatever the rule is it does not seem to apply to SF given the number of photos of bearded members on operations.
I watched a TV documentary about the Mets CTSFOs and there was a Sikh lad in that.
I also heard of a plan to form a Sikh Infantry Battalion once.

Dern
Dern
1 month ago

Pioneer Sergeants are allowed to, not Pioneers in general. But I’m not arguing about beards, I’m pointing out that the Army already makes allowances, and has always made allowances for peoples cultural and religious practices when it comes to dress. So when a picture comes out of people wearing religious headress in uniform, or having beards in uniform and people start saying “Jesus Christ.” or calling “Woke Bollocks.” the simple fact is you have to go one of two ways: Either you remove the existing religious freedoms in army dress, even if they have existed for centuries, or you allow… Read more »

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Dern

Yeah, fair enough. And Pioneer Sergeants.

Dern
Dern
1 month ago

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AV
AV
1 month ago
Reply to  Dern

Understand exactly what you mean👍…not as simple as this or that.
We had a local crackpot who grew his hair long and became a Sikh. He used to ride his motorcycle round town with no helmet on. The Police couldn’t do a thing about it.
Nothing in life is clear cut, and even simple rules are far more complex than people think.

AV
AV
1 month ago
Reply to  Dern

Of course not, not my point. You could be 2 foot tall with a horn on your head for me if you’re good at what you do.
It’s this progressive woke agenda I take issue with.

Dern
Dern
1 month ago
Reply to  AV

Out of interest what do you think is the issue that is “woke” here?

simon alexander
simon alexander
1 month ago
Reply to  Farouk

impressive that inner londoners want to be involved with the forces.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago

Absolutely.

Robert1
Robert1
1 month ago
Reply to  Farouk

Are the majority not cadets? Hard to see detail but rank slides look like they have the red lettering “Cadet” that they use.

simon alexander
simon alexander
1 month ago
Reply to  Robert1

i don’t think they are pretending to be the spearhead, lets relax.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
1 month ago
Reply to  Farouk

I think at least one of the ladies would have trouble passing the BFT!

Wolf
Wolf
1 month ago
Reply to  dan

Interesting you say.

https://www.forces.net/operations/germany/german-military-set-be-boosted-eu100bn-rocketing-germany-worlds-top-three

I should mention that it’s not a boost in the defence spending percentage of GDP but extra money that German defence will recieve for the next 4 years as far as I’m aware.

Andrew
Andrew
1 month ago

I can’t see us contributing 8x more troops to anything given our cuts.

Marked
Marked
1 month ago
Reply to  Andrew

The way it’s going I can’t see us being able to commit 8 troops never mind 8x…

Watcherzero
Watcherzero
1 month ago
Reply to  Andrew

So far I think the only thing the UK has committed to is increasing its deployment in Estonia from 1,000 to 3,000.

David Barry
David Barry
1 month ago
Reply to  Watcherzero

That’s not a Bde with a tail and I hope the Challies are amphibious for crossing the Baltic! Stalwarts anyone?

The Andrew are going to be pissed if it all goes tits up and they need to send ships into the Baltic Lake…

However, I expect the RAF will enjoy the smorgasbord of Swedish hospitality! 🙂

Spyinthesky
Spyinthesky
1 month ago
Reply to  Andrew

When a kid at school we did Ali Baba and his 40 thieves ( look it was the 60s lol) and being a little short on extras we had 10 ‘thieves’ running around the back of and through the stage 4 times. I think Boris is doing something similar with his promises as usual.

Barry Larking
Barry Larking
1 month ago
Reply to  Spyinthesky

a little short on extras we had 10 ‘thieves’ running around the back of and through the stage 4 times.

I’m not going to be able to get that image out of my mind! Thanks!

Nicholas
Nicholas
1 month ago

300000 properly trained, properly equiped, properly fed, properly motivated troups. Quite a force indeed if my summation above is correct.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
1 month ago
Reply to  Nicholas

I think there is a perception that this is to be 300,000 ground troops. It is the personnel numbers across SF, cyber, maritime, land and air domains.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Agreed.

JohninMK
JohninMK
1 month ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

That should be much more easily achievable.

Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Any condemnation of Putins illegal invasion of Ukraine yet?

Dern
Dern
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Not for Putin it isn’t.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
1 month ago
Reply to  JohninMK

An 8 times expansion in commitment, with commensurate increase in funding by all NATO nations? You must be an optimist.

Dern
Dern
1 month ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

It’s also just moving troops to a higher readyness state, not generating fresh formations.

ChariotRider
ChariotRider
1 month ago
Reply to  Dern

True enough Dern, but given the poor readiness of many of NATO’s forces until recently that step up iw significant and will cost quite a bit of extra dosh to achieve – assuming that other units aren’t asset stripped…

Either way, politically it is quite the awaking. Ben Wallace is to ask, publically,, for more money for defence having written to Sunak and Boris and apparently getting no where.

Go Ben.

Cheers CR

Dern
Dern
1 month ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

Oh I agree, significant step up, but a lot of people are misunderstanding what is happening.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
1 month ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

Ben will be told he has already and recently had extra money and that when the economy was flatlining. He has little chance of getting much more unless Putin’s invasion fleet was heading for the shores of England.

Steve R
Steve R
1 month ago
Reply to  Nicholas

Thinking clearly isn’t your strong point; don’t strain yourself, just put your feet up, have a nice glass of vodka and let Herr Putin do all your thinking for you.

Barry Larking
Barry Larking
1 month ago
Reply to  Steve R

😅

Spyinthesky
Spyinthesky
1 month ago
Reply to  Nicholas

Well that does seem to be the way with war these days, though hostages for a fortune is probably more apt.

AV
AV
1 month ago
Reply to  Nicholas

Engaging with you is pointless….maybe we should just flag up every comment you post as ‘Harold’…and then we can move onto proper discussion in your absence.

Sean
Sean
1 month ago
Reply to  Nicholas

Taking hostages are more a Russian expertise

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
1 month ago

Is it me or does 300k seem a crazy number pulled out of the air. Alright I can see the UK being able to contribute about the same as always and it will be pretty good. France no change. Germany up quite a bit once they have fixed their kit etc and the addition of the Nordics does effortlessly add mass anyway. But 300k? That is a lot: an awful lot. Do you really need 300k at that high level of readiness. Is is sustainable? Is it doable? I mean without massive budgets to prize people away from other jobs.… Read more »

Watcherzero
Watcherzero
1 month ago

The two options they were considering were 250,000 rapid response or 150,000 permanently deployed in Europe, they have gone for the rapid response option but increased it by another 50,000. Diplomatic relations with Russia have also been downgraded from Partner to Adversary.

The choice of rapid response over permanent deployment reflects the increasing threat from the Pacific as well.

Supportive Bloke
Supportive Bloke
1 month ago
Reply to  Watcherzero

Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum

Stu
Stu
1 month ago

As true 2,000 years ago as it is today.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago

Idiot politicians always forget this!

Chris
Chris
1 month ago
Reply to  Watcherzero

How are these “rapid response” forces getting to the battlefield? Assemble at the closest airport and wait for a US/UK/Canadian C-17 to come pick them up?

These countries (GERMANY, SPAIN, ITALY) need to invest in full spectrum logistics support. Not just the sexy stuff they can put on display at the local airshow,

Watcherzero
Watcherzero
1 month ago
Reply to  Chris

Return to Cold War Pre-positioned equipment was announced and then soldiers just flown over to be mated up.

Wolf
Wolf
1 month ago

We will just have to wait and see how it will be laid out at the summit. Then we will hopefully be able to see what is meant and how the plan will come into effect.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
1 month ago

This is not 300,000 soldiers. It is 300,000 military personnel across all domains (SF, maritime, land, air, cyber).

Simon
Simon
1 month ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

It sounds like there going to be a lot of air defence units involved, so I expect they are included in that number

Spyinthesky
Spyinthesky
1 month ago

I think the problem is one thing Mad Max does have (or did) is massive stocks of armaments to drag out of storage. Yes mostly absolute rubbish but when you have little regard for your troops as they are dragged from various parts of the distant Empire to be used as cannon fodder, that the elite in Moscow and many in European Russia generally care little about, you can still win by having something left to use when your enemy has used up all its elite weapons and forces. At least that seems to be their logic especially as Europe… Read more »

Frank62
Frank62
1 month ago

“Really what would it have taken to stop Mad Vlad?”

Declaring that if he invaded Ukraine(again) we would engage his forces within Ukraine. Not saying, ‘please don’t, but we won’t intervene if you do!!!!!’ in effect.

Rob
Rob
1 month ago

Under 2020 refine we are cutting to 2 armoured Bdes. Now we are reinforcing the UK Estonia BG to Bde which means we will not be able to rotate Bdes through Estonia less still to reinforce it. We MUST therefore go back to a 3 Bde structure. Actually a whole new armoured division would be sensible so that one div can rotate through Estonia and a second division is available to reinforce.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Rob

2 Armoured Brigades, 1 Light Mechanized Brigade, 1 Air Assault Brigade Rob. Plus a DAG, in effect a brigade sized formation but devoid of its own CS CSS. Plus other brigade sized formations also lacking. Also due to the way they are organising the army much of its strength is in Field Troops, not brigades. With a redesigned ORBAT and some changes to the Boxer order allocating more as infantry carriers as well as a renewed emphasis on CS CSS ( if only ) we could improve the structure. Til then, it’s a bit of a mess. Where is it… Read more »

Rob
Rob
1 month ago

Announced today that the NATO reinforced forward presence BGs will become Bdes.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Rob

Single nationality or multi national brigades?

If multi this already exists in things like the ARRC at Innsworth.

Rob
Rob
1 month ago

Breaking. Tom Newton Dunn (journalist) understands that Ben Wallace has formally written to the PM to request a minimum defence spend of 2.5% of GDP to deliver current operations and replace legacy equipment that the Ukraine war has now made obsolete.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Rob

Good on Wallace!

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
1 month ago
Reply to  Rob

What British equipment has the Ukraine war made obsolete?

Rob
Rob
1 month ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Challenger II, Warrior, FV432, CVRT, AS90, Light gun – more or less everything actually.

Sean
Sean
1 month ago
Reply to  Rob

I not so sure, a Chally 2 would have fun faced with a squadron of T62s which the Russians are now fielding.

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
1 month ago
Reply to  Sean

A C2 would cut to pieces everything the Russian military would care to put in front of it.
They all seem to have glass jaws (russian tanks) whereas the C2 is combat proven and known to be a tough and resilient tank. Outstanding armour.

Sean
Sean
1 month ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

Exactly my point, the only difficulty the Chally would have is deciding which Russian tank to take part with its next shell. It would notch up a record number of kills.

A Moore
A Moore
1 month ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

All 3 of them

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
1 month ago
Reply to  Rob

CVR(T) and FV432 are 50 and 60 years old respectively so they were obsolete ages ago, anyway. AS90 and Light Gun are not spring chickens either so should have been replaced a very long time ago too, irrespective of the Ukraine war.

Challenger 2 and Warrior should both have received upgrades throughout their service life but didn’t (except for the very minor).

I think that we would have tactically handled our aged fleet very much better than the Russians and had better engineering support and logistics and operated with air superiority – I doubt we would have suffered such attrition.

A Moore
A Moore
1 month ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

All of it

Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago
Reply to  A Moore

I think it’s time to ask once again, another troll (avatar) are you going to condemn the illegal invasion of Ukraine by Putin and the Nazi Russian army, and want an end to this war by Russia pulling back to its pre 2014 borders and start lines. Johnskie won’t condemn it, but as you are all one and the same, I don’t expect you to either.

Watcherzero
Watcherzero
1 month ago
Reply to  Rob

by 2028!
Giving them 6 years to raise the spending level.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
1 month ago

The ARRC is of course a NATO Corps (evolved from 1 (BR) Corps) and certain countries assign a national division to it. I am not aware of any multi-national brigades within those national divisions.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago