The following was issued by NATO regarding an incident with the Norwegian frigate, HNoMS Helge Ingstad.

First, a bit of background. Yesterday, while returning from NATO exercises, the frigate collided with the Maltese flagged tanker Sola TS and began taking on water. The ship was deliberately run aground in an attempt to prevent her sinking and allow for the evacuation of the crew. Seven sailors were injured in the incident and by late morning she had developed a severe angle of list to starboard side with most of the stern submerged.

“HNoMS Helge Ingstad was involved in a collision with the Maltese oil tanker Sola TS in Norwegian waters around 0400 this morning (8 Nov) while sailing inner Fjords for navigation training.

Due to the damage to the frigate it was moved to a safe place and the crew was evacuated in a professional manner. There are no reports of damages or leaks from the oil tanker and no report of serious injuries, though eight crewmembers are being treated for minor injuries.
The Norwegian Armed Forces are working with the Norwegian Coastal Authority to address the situation. The Norwegian frigate HNoMS Helge Ingstad is part of the Standing NATO Maritime Group One (SNMG1). The group was sailing in and around the Fjords, following their participation in exercise Trident Juncture 2018 which concluded on November 7th.
The rest of SNMG1’s ships are positioned nearby at sea in the event that further assistance is required.”

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Patrick
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Patrick

Wow, she’s looking like a complete loss.

Elliott
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Elliott

Depends on if its just hull breach or she broke her back. A hole is fixable a broken or twisted keel means cutting out a entire section of ship and welding a new one in.

andy reeves
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andy reeves

it is, its just sunk.

Nicholas
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Nicholas

The chap from https://navy-matters.blogspot.com/ is often very critical of the US Navy when there are collisions of this sort. He puts it down to poor training and poor standards of seamanship. Perhaps that is what we are seeing here. Additionally he might have something to say about a merchant ship coming off better in a collision with a warship, not doubt the tanker had a better multilayered hull. However I don’t know the details and sh*t happens.

Marc
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Marc

We should buy her she can’t be in any worse condition that our type 23’s.

maurice10
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maurice10

Reminds me of the BBC radio show the Navy Lark, and a little too much lefthand down!

The Snowman
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The Snowman

Interesting article here:- https://www.newsinenglish.no/2018/11/08/probes-launched-into-frigate-crash/

This got me thinking. We are designing warships to be ‘stealthy’ with reduced radar signature to reduce detection by sophisticated military sensors. Does this now work too well in relation to commercial sensors on merchant vessels, especially with automation and ‘lean manning’ reducing crew available for mk1 eyeball deck watch duties?

Steve Taylor
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Steve Taylor
Frank62
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Frank62

The frigate was warned several times by the tanker, but they replied everything was under control, according to the BBC. So the tanker was well aware of the frigate. A frigate is much more manouverable than a big tanker.
Best not to jump to conclusions until a full investigation has been done.

expat
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expat

As awful as the incident if its a total loss they now are one frigate down. We are running 2 Frigate build programs, We can offer 1 or 2 tagged onto our orderbook. If some of the work load is constabulary duties we also offer River class on lease to free up the remaining 4 frigates.

Callum
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Callum

2 frigate build programmes, one of which is already strung out and the other of which is meant to be producing ships rapidly to replace our own. Unless we offset our own fleet’s needs and give them an early build the earliest we could offer them a replacement is around 2028 for a T31 or the late 2030s for a T26.

Steve Taylor
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Steve Taylor

They may be a frigate down, but they will be a crew up, minus whoever gets court martial’ed for the whoopsie. 🙂

I don’t think they will be too bothered about a new frigate.

Helions
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Helions

What’s stranger is the vessel was moored at the time of the collision. It’s still fully armed as well.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-08/500-milllion-norwegian-frigate-rammed-oil-tanker

Cheers.

BB85
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BB85

I was thinking this when I read some of the articles yesterday but this is the first one to actually confirm it was moored.
Those tankers need a couple of miles to come to a stop so in theory could something like this happen to QE if she was docked in somewhere like Gibraltar? It would be an extremely expensive accident. Even this one will not be a cheap insurance claim.

John Pattullo
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John Pattullo

you ever get the feeling the russian or chinese are paying oil tanker captains to ram our navy ships – honestly collisions like this shouldn’t happen

Daniele Mandelli
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Daniele Mandelli

I’d heard that in war they would scuttle merchant ships at the entrances to our harbours. The security service was always on the look out for a marked increase of Russian sailors coming ashore at NATO ports as a possible prelude to hostilities.

So I guess ramming NATO warships not so far fetched!

Dan
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Dan

Most likely bad seamanship just like 99.9% of these cases.

james harrington
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james harrington

John, that’s an entirely ridiculous idea……… or is it…… the tanker was a Malta flagged vessel…. Malta runs on Russian money. Russia and China run alternative type covert operations, the events in the Pacific of the last year involving the USN immediately come to mind. Norwegians are known to be some of the best mariners on the seas. The incident is very odd.

Billythefish
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Billythefish

Engine room/main machinery space serious ingress of water will pretty much sink anything afloat.

She really copped it though – proper job!

Steve Taylor
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Steve Taylor

Left hand down a bit!

Helions
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Helions

It certainly would be a stealth way to put a major warship of a rival out of commission wouldn’t it…?

Cheers

J
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J

Maybe a mad conspiracy but 3 NATO vessels rammed by tankers?? Seems odd

David Stephen
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David Stephen

Looks like a write off to me. The USS Port Royal ran aground a couple of years back and her Aegis system has not been functional since and that was a gentle grounding. This grounding appears anything but gentle and the Captain probably put her on the rocks at a good rate to try to save his crew (not his ship). The pictures of the damaged hull area looked severe and if she was taking on water fast enough to justify running her aground it’s probably just as severe if not worse below the waterline. The ship has also now… Read more »

Elliott
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Elliott

USS Port Royal didn’t take that long to repair and her Aegis is still functioning she even had deployments last year.
Her delay to resuming patrols had more to do with sequester budgets.

David Stephen
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David Stephen

Perhaps your sources are better than mine but from what i have heard that’s not the case and the ship is now compromised in it’s main function. Regardless the point being that modern warships are rather delicate and don’t cope well with rough treatment. Also ships deploy below peak efficiency all the time, the entire Aegis system (fleet wide) was badly degraded on many deployed ships and the US Navy has had to spend and is continuing to spend a fortune correcting this. One of our Frigates was in a combat zone off the coast of Libya with only a… Read more »

captain P Wash.
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captain P Wash.

David, Sold to a Chinese Casino Company. I’m probably wrong though.

David Stephen
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David Stephen

Just don’t BET on it Captain ?

Mark L
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Mark L

Salvage or scrap is a political decision. HMS Southampton and HMS Nottingham had severe damage after their collisions and both were repaired.

DSpringer
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DSpringer

Just realised, was this one of the escort ships for QE and George Washington for this photex?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/stunning-moment-navys-new-hms-queen-elizabeth-sailed-alongside-americas-giant-warship-uss-george-hw-a3607126.html

I don’t think the damage down the starboard side will buff out easily, it looks like a glancing blow rather than T-boned anyway.

Peter Crisp
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Peter Crisp

I don’t want to make light of the situation but how does stuff like this happen?
Military vessels are supposed to be all about situational awareness and lately we’ve had them crashing into all sorts of things, (from various nations so it can’t be a lack of training) what’s going on?

Gunbuster
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Gunbuster

The USN recent incidents have been down to lack of training. The Pacific fleet had a stand down on ops to allow ships and captains to sort their S**t out and ensure that the right people with the right training where on the bridge when required. For Southampton’s collision in the Gulf, human error from the bridge crew. Nottingham, human error. A thick pencil line on the chart masked the rock they hit. Brazen unmarked rock. The above have been addressed as the RN through the use of electronic chart systems that bleep warnings out (Constantly!) when a hazard is… Read more »

Rowan Wagstaff-Weston
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Rowan Wagstaff-Weston

Unfortunately, the problem now is with too many alarms rather than too few. Yes, WECDIS alarms when you’re about to hit a rock. It also sounds the same alarm if you’re about to enter an area where anchoring is prohibited, or a yacht enters AIS range, or every time you use your bow thruster… It takes a skilled and experienced team to sort out the important alarms from the overload of trivia.

expat
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expat

So of the latest photos below. looks even worse bow now partly submerge.

https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2018/11/see-photos-norways-badly-damaged-eu300-million-warship

S Thomas
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S Thomas
Basil
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I would like to know which UK carrier was ‘ hobbled’ throughout the Falklands campaign? As Hermes operated well with no major defects, invincible likewise, even though she managed to change one of her four Olympus engines whilst at sea. Neither vessels had any significant operating defects and believe me I know. On the flip side Nottingham was never the same after her grounding, constant shaft/ hull alignment issues, her grounding should have resulted in the loss of the ship, Fortuntaly her crew were exceptionally well trained, even ignoring standard practice to continue damage control in an environment which by… Read more »

David Stephen
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David Stephen

So are you saying changing a 2.5 ton hydraulic coupling whilst at sea and having only one of two shafts working between April 7th and April 15th is not a significant operating defect? Maybe hobbled throughout was an exaggeration but the point was and remains that ships routinely deploy with defects or continue operations with after developing defects.

Helions
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Helions

Ugly…

https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2018/11/11/warnings-and-confusion-preceded-norwegian-frigate-disaster-heres-what-we-know/ Looks as though the crew was REALLY lucky to be able to evacuate. Thank God.

Cheers

Daniele Mandelli
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Daniele Mandelli

Thanks. A good read.

Helions
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Helions

Still on the subject of high end naval accidents.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/11/russian-officials-nope-we-cant-finish-fixing-the-carrier-kuznetsov/

Looks like the scrap heap is a real option here…

Cheers!

Les Turner
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Les Turner

Probably some career reassessment talks going on at the moment as well!