The second Type 26 Frigate will be named HMS Belfast, the First Sea Lord has announced today.

The previous HMS Belfast was a light cruiser, now operated as a museum ship in London.

Eight Type 26 Frigates are to be built in total with three int he first batch, the contract for the second batch will be negotiated in the early 2020s. Ordering in batches is common for projects of this size around the world and was last seen with the Royal Navy for the Type 45 Destroyers and recent Offshore Patrol Vessels. The Type 45s first batch order was for three vessels for example.

Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon said:

“The Type 26 Frigate is a cutting-edge warship, combining the expertise of the British shipbuilding industry with the excellence of the Royal Navy. These ships will be a force to be reckoned with, there to protect our powerful new carriers and helping keep British interests safe across the world.

The contract is structured to ensure value for taxpayers’ money and, importantly, now designed to protect them from extra bills from project overrun. The investment will secure hundreds of skilled jobs at BAE Systems on the Clyde for the next twenty years, and thousands of jobs in the supply chain across Britain.”

A recent report also claims that delays in the construction of the Type 26 Frigate have had a negative impact on the development of the workforce on the Clyde.

The recently released report ‘Restoring the Fleet: Naval Procurement and the National Shipbuilding Strategy’, states that:

“It is clear to us that the delays in the construction of the Type 26 have had a negative impact on the development of the workforce on the Clyde.

Apprenticeships are not being offered at the necessary rate, and those currently undertaking apprenticeships are having their skills training disrupted. Furthermore, workers are being required to move from Scotland to Barrow in order for them to undertake meaningful work.

We welcome the efforts made by the trades unions and BAE to retain the workforce during this period of uncertainty, but remain deeply concerned by warnings that further delay could be “catastrophic” for the skills base.”

The UK Government say they are committed to eight advanced anti-submarine warfare ships, this was outlined in the 2015 Strategic Defence and Security Review. The Type 26 programme currently employs more than 1,200 people in the UK supply chain, with a number of contracts already in place for the manufacture of major equipment for the first three ships. In total, there are already 33 UK and international companies working in the supply chain to deliver the Type 26 ships – with further announcements to be made shortly.

Commissioned in early August 1939 shortly before the outbreak of the Second World War, the previous Belfast was initially part of the British naval blockade against Germany. In November 1939, Belfast struck a German mine and spent more than two years undergoing extensive repairs. Belfast returned to action in November 1942 with improved firepower, radar equipment, and armour. Belfast saw action escorting Arctic convoys to the Soviet Union during 1943 and in December 1943 played an important role in the Battle of North Cape, assisting in the destruction of the German warship Scharnhorst. In June 1944, Belfast took part in Operation Overlord supporting the Normandy landings.

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David Stone
David Stone
3 years ago

Generally a good choice.

If the name is on a commissioned vessel, does it affect the museum ship being able to fly the white ensign?

Peter Proniewicz-Brooks
Peter Proniewicz-Brooks
3 years ago
Reply to  David Stone

I’d suspect the honour may be maintained if the HMS Belfast berthed on the Thames renames to HMS Belfast 1939.

David Stone
David Stone
3 years ago
Reply to  David Stone

Just read on ‘Save the Navy’ twitter feed that the museum ship is going to be re-titled as HMS Belfast (1938)

andy reeves
andy reeves
3 years ago
Reply to  David Stone

can’t see why not, things have been olkay for years, why change it?

David Steeper
3 years ago

A question for any submariners out there. If you were being hunted by either a Type 26 or a Merlin which would cause you the most concerns ? Academic ? Well no it’s about relative cost for the same or superior outcome.

Navytom
Navytom
3 years ago
Reply to  David Steeper

If the submarine is a long way from the coast, you’d need something to carry the helicopter…..

Mike Saul
Mike Saul
3 years ago
Reply to  David Steeper

The best way of killing a submarine is to use another submarine.

andy reeves
andy reeves
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Saul

we’ve thethe whole churchill and swiftsure class along side in devonport and rosyth if they’resea worthy re commission them they wer e n use as recently as the libya operation when they were used to fire tomahawks

Tidewatch
2 years ago
Reply to  Mike Saul

The ASTUTE Class Hunter Killers is where we should be spending our limited “Defence” budget. The greatest threat to our island nation, as was so effectively demonstrated in two World wars, is our Atlantic maritime trade umbilical. Any pretence that our present FF/DD force could prevent its disruption by any one of a handful of emerging nations possessing a few advanced Diesel electric boats is laughable.
Carriers are basically tools of offence; their AS ‘choppers will have their work cut out in providing adequate protection for their own essential battle group, never mind the supporting Underway Replenishment Group.

Ian
Ian
3 years ago
Reply to  David Steeper

Merlin’s are on the T-26 – tag team. Add Astute for carrier groups.

andy reeves
andy reeves
3 years ago
Reply to  Ian

merlins are great, but we should be proactive with them, every chopper that flies of an american ship AT ANY TIME is fullyarmed, theres no excuse for losing a ship that wasn’t protected when it could have been. if we don’t use them, why have them? they’re an expensive taxi otherwise.

Ben P
Ben P
3 years ago
Reply to  David Steeper

Astute because it can follow you down.

David Steeper
3 years ago
Reply to  Ben P

Thanks guys. I was angling for Merlin ! But I’ll take it as second best and cheapest !

Ron5
Ron5
3 years ago
Reply to  David Steeper

You need to study how RN ASW ops are conducted. The ship and the helo work as a pair. So it’s not an “either/or” it”s a “both”.

That’s ignoring the fact that on its own the Merlin could only operate within a couple of hundred miles of its airfield. Not many submarines to be found there.

Pacman27
Pacman27
3 years ago

So Guess we are looking at Cardiff, Edinburgh, Newcastle, Birmingham, Bristol, York, Portsmouth and Manchester for the others (select as required).

just a point that annoys me – there is no need to wait to the 2020’s to negotiate the next batch, get them ordered today and sort it out.

Harry Nelson
Harry Nelson
3 years ago
Reply to  Pacman27

London surely?

Sjb1968
Sjb1968
3 years ago
Reply to  Harry Nelson

And Exeter please

fat Dave
fat Dave
3 years ago
Reply to  Sjb1968

Coventry

Ron5
Ron5
3 years ago
Reply to  fat Dave

Plymouth

Mike Saul
Mike Saul
3 years ago
Reply to  Pacman27

To call RN warship HMS Portsmouth is considered to be very bad luck in naval circles.

Bruce Horton
Bruce Horton
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Saul

No ship will be named PORTSMOUTH whilst RNB Portsmouth exists.

andy reeves
andy reeves
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Saul

why?

geoffrey james roach
geoffrey james roach
3 years ago
Reply to  Pacman27

And PLYMOUTH

andy reeves
andy reeves
3 years ago
Reply to  Pacman27

why not portsmouth and plymouth? the place in the naval history should be alknowleged by giving both cities their own ship.

Mike Saul
Mike Saul
3 years ago

My preferred options for the remaining warships are in no particular order, Plymouth, London, Sheffield, Coventry, Cardiff and Manchester.

For the proposed T31 class, I would like to see county names used.

geoffrey james roach
geoffrey james roach
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Saul

I’ll go with that, particularly the first on you list.

andy reeves
andy reeves
3 years ago

hms windermere?

geoffrey james roach
geoffrey james roach
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Saul

I’ll go with that.

Mike Saul
Mike Saul
3 years ago

Geoffrey we finally agree on something wonders will never cease.

geoffrey james roach
geoffrey james roach
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Saul

Hey, I’m not that bad! here’s to a profitable future!

James
James
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Saul

T31 should be Gibraltar, Falklands, etc.

KieranC
KieranC
3 years ago
Reply to  James

British Antarctic territory? ?

andy reeves
andy reeves
3 years ago
Reply to  James

gibraltar? great idea, that would really annoy the spanish especially if it spent a lot of time there

andy reeves
andy reeves
3 years ago
Reply to  James

H.M.S PORT SLANLEY

Dave Cullen
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Saul

Have to have an Hms Edinburgh in there!

andy reeves
andy reeves
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Saul

h.ms cornwall? been there done that with the 1970’s destroyers

Yank
Yank
2 years ago
Reply to  Mike Saul

Perhaps name them after former colonies – Virginia, Georgia, New York, etc, 🙂

Mike Saul
Mike Saul
3 years ago

Also considered bad luck in naval circles is the number 232, funny bunch those matelots or skates if you wish to use Portsmouth slang.

Jez
Jez
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Saul

F232 is the MoD Form used to report a Grounding, hence HMS Lancaster (third of the T23s) was F229

Bruce Horton
Bruce Horton
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Saul

S232 was the form used to report collisions or groundings – not a great precedent

andy reeves
andy reeves
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Saul

666 the number of the beast.

john
john
3 years ago

Merlin on a ocean type ship, best and cheapest way, but the navy need escorts for them to command,so guess what that is what the navy gets,but only a few at a time.

andy reeves
andy reeves
3 years ago
Reply to  john

the egyptians have decided the mistrals they bought are unsuitable and can’t be used in the role they’re designed for! so maybe the u.k should offer ocean in a swap deal.

Ben P
Ben P
3 years ago

I can smell the political naming. All the places that are pissed off with the UK government after brexit. HMS Glasgow for Scotland, HMS Belfast for Northern Ireland. I guarantee that next up are HMS Cardiff for Wales and HMS London for England. HMS London will come in the next batch of three ships because the government wants to be seen putting the other countries first.

Chris
Chris
3 years ago
Reply to  Ben P

Ben P – Except that Wales voted to Leave the EU ….

James
James
3 years ago
Reply to  Chris

Don’t let facts get in the way of a good remainer rant.

Ben P
Ben P
3 years ago
Reply to  James

I have a leaver. I am referring more to the negotiations, after the vote. Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland are less that pleased at the governments handling of things.

fat Dave
fat Dave
3 years ago
Reply to  Ben P

Wales isn’t a country

Ben P
Ben P
3 years ago
Reply to  Ben P

am a*

Sorry to burst your bubble fat Dave but Wales is a country.

Ben P
Ben P
3 years ago
Reply to  Ben P

Excuse the terrible grammar on my last couple posts. I hate writing while on my phone.

Wales, Northern Ireland, Scotland and England are all their own countries. The UK is a union of several countries.

andy reeves
andy reeves
3 years ago
Reply to  Chris

DON’T TALK POLITICS!!! FFFS

Clive P
Clive P
3 years ago
Reply to  Ben P

For Wales it should be HMS Llanfaiirpwg………gogogoch. Would have to make larger cap tallys though!!

erf
erf
3 years ago

According to the MoD press release:

Whilst the second to be named, HMS Belfast is Ship 3 in the Type 26 programme. Ship 1 is called HMS Glasgow and Ship 2 is yet to be named.

Why not name them in order?

geoffrey james roach
geoffrey james roach
3 years ago
Reply to  erf

Tooooo Easyyyyy.

BB85
BB85
3 years ago

They must need more votes from the DUP to pass their 20bn Brexit extension.

andy reeves
andy reeves
3 years ago
Reply to  BB85

e don’t wantpolitics on this site. why not just call them tom, dick, and harry?

andy reeves
andy reeves
3 years ago
Reply to  BB85

NO POLITICS! IF I HEAR THAT BLOODY WORD BREXIT AGAIN, I’LL BE IN THE NUTHOUSE.

Yank
Yank
2 years ago
Reply to  andy reeves

HMS Brexit?

Bruce Horton
Bruce Horton
3 years ago
Reply to  erf

Politics

Paul T
Paul T
3 years ago

I hope the new HMS Belfast will visit her illustrious predecessor in London. Will make for some good photos.

Mike Travis
Mike Travis
3 years ago

Pity that the Proud name of Liverpool doesnt make it on the list. But on another note, it would be good to name a couple of them after newly named cities as well

Douglas Newell
Douglas Newell
3 years ago

My vote is for HMS Dundee, currently being championed on social media.

Douglas Newell
Douglas Newell
3 years ago

HMS Belfast is a great name, meant to say that too.

geoff
geoff
3 years ago
Reply to  Slaine

This enormous ship..THE Hms Belfast…Could not read any more. The Mail Online is a joke!

geoff
geoff
3 years ago
Reply to  geoff

..HMS Belfast

T W LAKE
T W LAKE
3 years ago

Belfast is a great name for the new ship, seeing all the other suggestions for names for the new T26’s, I have to say as an East Anglian feeling a bit left out. Therefore I’d like to see one of the ships named NORWICH or IPSWICH. As a Norfolk man of course I’d prefer NORWICH!

andy reeves
andy reeves
3 years ago
Reply to  T W LAKE

H.M.S SOUTHWOLD?

Nick Bowman
Nick Bowman
3 years ago

The Mail informs us that Belfast will be fitted with SA80. That’s taking austerity a bit too far! ?

Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  Nick Bowman

SA80 is part of the layered defences. They managed to miss out the fact that the engineering crew will also be equipped with WD40 which apparently stings if you get it in your eyes and is one of the defences for repelling boarders.

Was it the Daily Mail that reported on the 5″ gun contract, got very confused about the concepts of length and calibre, and spun the article that we were paying such a big sum of money for a gun “the size of a toothbrush”?

Can journalism get any worse?

Slaine
Slaine
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Apart from being ridiculous it was quite close to the bone as it reminded me of marines roping GPMGs to the railings of destroyers and frigates in the Falklands. The ships were unarmed then and it looks like we are repeating history with the 26. Having said that ‘attachment of equipment or small arms to external ship furniture or structure can only be carried out by a qualified BAE engineer’, and will therefore require a user requirrement, business case and a full blown PRINCE project.

Slaine
Slaine
3 years ago
Reply to  Slaine

that was supposed to have said underarmed

andy reeves
andy reeves
3 years ago
Reply to  Slaine

AND ANY’DOCKIE’ THAT CAN TIE A KNOT.

Ron5
Ron5
3 years ago
Reply to  Slaine

The Type 26 will be very well equipped with mountings for miniguns and M2’s. If you can be bothered to look, they are clearly shown on the CGI’s like the one at the top of this article.

andy reeves
andy reeves
3 years ago
Reply to  Nick Bowman

MAY AS WELL USE CATAPULT AND CONKERS?

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
3 years ago

Why cant we order all 8 now and be done with it. There is a huge risk with ordering in batches that BAE will put the price up. Already paying price close to an Arleigh Burke class destroyer for these vessels. Order in batches = batch 1, 3 ships, Glasgow, Belfast, Cardiff Batch 2, 3 ships London, Manchester, Liverpool or Edinburgh (government will decide which 3 names Batch 3 if built, ?? Any chance of a repeat to what we had with type 45 destroyers and we end up with only 6 ships? that was my pessimistic side, my positive… Read more »

andy reeves
andy reeves
3 years ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

AND RE ORDER THE T45’S THAT WEREN’T BUILT.

Ron5
Ron5
3 years ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

No, the Type 26 is nowhere near the cost of the latest Arleigh Burkes.

BB85
BB85
2 years ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

If we ordered 8 now BAE would put the price up anyway. Better to order it batches so technical updates and enhancements can be added to later ships and avoid issues like faulty engines impacting ever ship in the class.

Jack
Jack
3 years ago

HMS Belast, the DUP influence here.

David
David
3 years ago
Reply to  Jack

Coming from Northern Ireland myself (and that doesn’t imply I am a DUP supporter), this is great news. Despite our troubled past, Belfast is a beautiful city and I for one am glad the City’s name will sail the high seas again on the stern of a Type 26!

Geoff
Geoff
3 years ago

Cardiff is clearly next. I guess we want a national buy-in to the RNs future.

So the next batch ships will be, taking into account only 8 hulls :

Liverpool or Manchester
Exeter or Plymouth
York or Nottingham
Gloucester
Newcastle.

Southampton will miss out or be a 9th hull (if ordered), and if it misses out the first 3 T31s will be Hampshire, Norfolk and Suffolk.

andy reeves
andy reeves
3 years ago
Reply to  Geoff

H.M.S BIRMINGHAM, 2ND CITY 2ND SHIP?

Nick Bowman
Nick Bowman
2 years ago

We could follow the American example of naming major warships after prominent politicians. Maybe one day you’d see HMS Jeremy Corbyn… an SSBN with no missiles, perhaps…

Dave
Dave
2 years ago

A total maritime novice here ….

Two fine Chinese frigates sailed up the Thames today …they look well built and capable vessels . They cost around 180 million pounds each.
My question… why are we paying in the region of 250million for type 31 frigates? Which seem under armed? The proof being there unsuitable for escorting the carriers.
If all the type 31 is a global patrol boat…. then wouldn’t the Chinese design and price be better?