The paper highlights disinformation around attacks on 5G phone masts and a land war on the European continent and argues NATO must do more against hybrid and conventional threats.

The paper, created by the SNP Westminster Defence Team has been released ahead of NATO leaders meeting in Madrid next week to discuss the new ‘NATO Strategic Concept’, replacing the one that has broadly guided the Alliance since 2010. The Strategic Concept is a key document for the Alliance. It reaffirms NATO’s values and purpose, and provides a collective assessment of the security for the decade ahead.

One of the recommendations from the paper titled ‘Strong States, Resilient Societies and a Renewed International system‘ is that NATO must do more to build resilience to so-called ‘hybrid threats’ such as cyber attacks and disinformation within societies.

Additionally, the paper calls for NATO to pursue the closest possible relationship with the European Union as two unique organisations with shared values and interests in the Euro-Atlantic area.

The paper also argues for increased conventional defence investment. Pointing out that in November 2021, the UK Prime Minister stated that Allies “have to recognise that the  old concepts of fighting big tank battles on European land mass are over, and there are  other, better things we should be investing in, in FCAS, in the future combat air system, in cyber, this is how warfare in the future is going to be.”

The paper goes on to add that “these words reflected UK Government policy, which shrunk the UK Armed Forces to their smallest size since the  1701 War of the Spanish Succession while investing more funding into the development and purchase of emerging military technology. While recognising the continued need to invest in maintaining technological superiority, the return of land war to the European continent should banish the illusion that future conflicts will be fought primarily in cyberspace or with autonomous weapons: an armoured capability must be a necessary element of any equipment plan designed to defend Europe”.

The paper recommends that “the next decade must see an end to the era of cuts to the Armed Forces, both in terms of funding and personnel numbers”.

SNP Defence spokesperson Stewart McDonald MP said:

“As NATO Allies meet in Madrid to agree their strategy for the next decade, the UK Government has an opportunity to turn the page on its troubled relationship with international law and our European neighbours. The moment demands no less.

NATO and the EU are the twin guarantors of Euro-Atlantic security order. It is long past time the UK Government recognises this, brings an end to its petty avoidance of our European neighbours and signs a comprehensive defence and security agreement with the EU.

As a party that wishes to see Scotland succeed as an independent member of the international community in NATO and the EU, it is vital that we are active participants in the ongoing debate about Euro-Atlantic security. These recommendations are made in a genuine spirit of wanting to see strengthened states, societies and systems to best protect all those living under the alliance, including those here in Scotland where support for NATO is in excess of 70 per cent.”

Read the SNP’s recommendations for the NATO Strategic Concept here.

George has a degree in Cyber Security from Glasgow Caledonian University and has a keen interest in naval and cyber security matters and has appeared on national radio and television to discuss current events. He also works for the NHS. George is on Twitter at @geoallison
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David Barry
David Barry
7 days ago

Well, the SNP stepping up to undermine Con rhetoric on defence and show they are a State in waiting and committed to both European and NATO defence.

Not sure how the economics would work on that one. Hey ho.

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Brooklyn
6 days ago
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Stuart Crawford
Stuart Crawford
7 days ago

It would be interesting to know who the members of the “SNP Westminster Defence Team” are, apart from Stewart McDonald of course.

David Barry
David Barry
7 days ago

Me, myself and I is a strong team…

And yet, I would love Labour to stand up and Bravo Sierra on Con defence policy.

All too often Con MPs wrap themselves up in the flag of the Union and spout brollixs about how they are the party of defence and the opp never call them out – because?

We need a better opposition, invested in defence and prepared to tell the electorate, we will protect you in your health, on the streets AND from our homeland – but, it will cost.

Rant over.

Stu
Stu
7 days ago
Reply to  David Barry

“We need a better opposition” – 100% agree.

Damo
Damo
7 days ago
Reply to  Stu

Need a better opposition and a better party in charge. But then I’m a dreamer lol

Stu
Stu
7 days ago
Reply to  Damo

😆 – 100% agree with this too! Guess we’re both dreamers. 👍

Ian
Ian
7 days ago
Reply to  Damo

👍🇬🇧👍

Robert Blay.
Robert Blay.
7 days ago
Reply to  David Barry

Better tell Labour’s union pay master’s to elect a stronger leader then, rather then pursuing a socialist day dream that has been rejected by the public many times over the decades.

Spyinthesky
Spyinthesky
7 days ago
Reply to  Robert Blay.

We have to be very careful here. Even under Corbyn a great many of their (financially unviable as they often were) ‘socialist’ policies polled as very popular with the public, it was their muddled Brexit policies and the man himself that proved to be rejected at the election.

Andrew Thorne
Andrew Thorne
7 days ago
Reply to  Spyinthesky

I don’t economically very liberal policies were popular as people saw through the ridiculous promises such as free broadband. In the North Labour are now begining to look much like they did before the SNP rip them to pieces. Labour are on their last legs and will be rejected by the UK population again. They need socially conservative policies mixed with economically prudent policies focussed on rejuvenating our manufacturing industry. Maybe then theu can stop being the nasty party to the working class.

Tim
Tim
7 days ago
Reply to  David Barry

I’m not really sure which party is the least bad for UK defense. Labour put in some massive cuts in 1966 and the trend just carried on from there until Brown ordered the QEC’s. Other cuts continued though alongside a wasteful FRES implementation and of course invading Iraq without enough helicopters or body armour. Thatcher obviously said yes to Op Corporate but didn’t say yes to HMS Spartan sinking mine layers off Stanley which would have scared off all seaborne reinforcements right at the start. Cameron continued with cuts and wasted more on F35B/C/B indecision. Johnson is rightly supporting Ukraine… Read more »

Andrew Thorne
Andrew Thorne
7 days ago
Reply to  David Barry

Labour are a dead party with soclalist policies that the UK will simply not accept. The only place these have traction is in Scotland and that is only because English MPs pander to the SNP. In the North of England Labour are dying on their feet just like they did in Scotland. The truth of the matter is that historically England (prior to the 1920s) had either the centre right Tory party or the Centre right Liberal party…Socialism only gained traction because Labour went on spending splurges but it’s not really compatible with the instinct of the English population which… Read more »

PragmaticScot
PragmaticScot
7 days ago

News to me that they have a team as well, would be good to know who’s coming up with these ideas and influencing potential future policy in an independent Scotland.

Sean
Sean
7 days ago
Reply to  PragmaticScot

“An independent Scotland”…. 🤣

PragmaticScot
PragmaticScot
7 days ago
Reply to  Sean

Being that it’s the SNPs sole reason to exist, if it happened I’d like to know who was actually making the decisions.

Tommo
Tommo
6 days ago
Reply to  PragmaticScot

The SNP were a rather small group , until Mel Gibsons Braveheart .Now if they suceed in gaining Independence then it’s only right and fitting that Mel Gibson should be their first President not Wee miss Crankie Just kidding PragmaticScot

Martin
Martin
7 days ago

Nice to see the UK’s third largest political party take an interest. Would be even better in labour had something to say. Maybe then we could avoid the cuts that are likely in bound from next year.

Jay R
Jay R
7 days ago
Reply to  Martin

I can’t see any reason to avoid the cuts. There is no direct conventional threat to the UK, and the appetite for regime change in Iran and North Korea is no longer US foreign policy. Conventional armour is proving to be extremely vulnerable to drones. At best we may see a slight increase in jet fighter numbers and an increase in the number of nuclear warheads.

Martin
Martin
7 days ago
Reply to  Jay R

Unfortunately I agree cuts are coming and the joke that is the Russian army has done nothing to support higher spending. I personally think higher spending on naval assets is justified as we will see increased threat from Russia at sea but I doubt the treasury will listen.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
7 days ago
Reply to  Martin

Who says that cuts are coming – and why? Surely the smallness of our amred forces has now been made clearer to any uniformed polician and to the electorate. Many Europeans are increasing defence spending.

Spyinthesky
Spyinthesky
7 days ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

One would hope. It’s alright writing off Russian forces but that is naive. Fact is who beyond out small group of professional military is goi g to fight like the Ukrainians are fighting? A lot less than they have that’s for sure esp on the NATO frontline. And fact is as some experts have already stated our tanks and indeed our army and equipment generally would last merely weeks in a war like we see in Ukraine. Yes we might win man for man and tank or plane per tank and plane but even if it was 5 to 1… Read more »

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
6 days ago
Reply to  Spyinthesky

I spent several of my 34 years in the army facing 3rd Shock Army across the IGB; some at the time considered our equipment, professionalism and doctrine to be superior and would overturn our numerical inferiority totally, but I never did. I never write off any military opponent, as it is dangerous to under-estimate an opponent. The Russians have certainly modified their initial strategy and have lost a lot of men and equipment but they still hold nearly 20% of Ukrainian territory and it will be difficult to impossible to eject them all from the Donbas. Some have pointed to… Read more »

Cripes
Cripes
6 days ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Absolutely Graham. Nearly every European NATO member country is increasing defence spending and ordering additional equipment, the UK is the only one going the other way in slashing personnel and equipment numbers. The 2021 defence review looks an increasingly misguided national defence policy, with cuts to our main land and air forces which would be needed in NATO Europe, replaced by penny packets of troops – SFAB training battalions, mini batallions of lightly armed Rangers, a RM Cdo, spread thinly around the globe. While the review states that Russia is the main threat to Europe, the review largely ignores that… Read more »

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
6 days ago
Reply to  Cripes

I agree, mostly. To configure to meet a Russo-centric threat in Europe might have led (from an army POV) to more forward basing of armour in the Sennelager hub in Germany, at least a brigade stationed in Germany, at least one recce regiment stationed further east perhaps in Poland or the Baltic states, continued use of the high quality and very large BATUS facility for training armoured units, reversal of the 10k manpower cut and the tank numbers cut, increased expenditure on artillery. Just a few examples…and for the RAF to have an equivalent response. I don’t see the connection… Read more »

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
7 days ago
Reply to  Jay R

It seems strange to talk of cuts as other European nations are spending more on Defence and there is a war in Europe. Who started this rumour?
You could argue that there has been no direct conventional threat to the UK since the planned Op Sealion in 1940. We have armed forces for more than Home Defence of course. We have Alliance responsibilities.
Not sure what your point about Iran and North Korea is all about?

Jay R
Jay R
7 days ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Isn’t it already on the cards to reduce troop numbers by 10k? By cuts I mean this decision will not be reserved. Iran and North Korea could be interesting, Russia could now introduce nuclear technology to both.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
7 days ago
Reply to  Jay R

Which equates to around 3000k, as the army is about 75,000 strong, well under it’s establishment 82,000.

David Barry
David Barry
6 days ago

Army was cut to72k and then given 500 bods back. Establishment strength is 72.5k Daniele.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
6 days ago
Reply to  David Barry

Yes mate, I’d actually forgotten that Wallace gave 500 back. Whoopie doos! I’d read it’s current strength is around 75k. But my main original point to Jay R is that some posters, either by design or in innocence, think the army is losing 10k men. It’s losing 10k established posts, as it is well below establishment strength at around 75k already. So not losing 10,000 men. To a critic twisting things more, 10,000 men cut is a lot worse than the reality of a few thousand is it not? I’m amused that Starmer/Labour have mentioned the army cuts and wanting… Read more »

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
6 days ago
Reply to  Jay R

Jay, I thought you were talking about even more cuts. Yes, the 10k cut to the army specifically was announced well over a year ago in SDSR2021. Don’t know if RAF and RN also got cut.

Hasn’t Iran and NK already got nuclear technology?

Simon
Simon
7 days ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Call me cynical, but I think Boris may have promised away any spare money in tax cut etc to stop him self being voted out the other week.

Jay R
Jay R
7 days ago

An independent Scotland, which will be a member of the EU, can only weaken NATO not strengthen it. A fracture in the United Kingdom is music to Putin’s ears. Wales and Northern Ireland will quickly follow and England will be forced to rejoin the EU, as it will not be possible to remain outside it. By 2040 the former countries of the United Kingdom will be ruled by the EU, the Queen will be dead and the monarchy will be no more, the wretched sons simply do not carry enough respect to be labelled King. The NHS will be private,… Read more »

Martin
Martin
7 days ago
Reply to  Jay R

Wow you think Scotland so important, I don’t disagree 😀

Jay R
Jay R
7 days ago
Reply to  Martin

If Scotland becomes independent, I think we will see the ultimate end to the Empire, it will lead to the commonwealth collapsing. What will happen to the Falklands?

JohninMK
JohninMK
7 days ago
Reply to  Jay R

No UK just England/Wales? and we are off the UNSC.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
7 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Why? Who decides who is on it?

Posse Comitatus
Posse Comitatus
7 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Nope. More Russian bullshit . The USSR didn’t lose its UNSC seat when the Soviet Union dissolved.

Airborne
Airborne
7 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

You really know very little, but have to put out the chuff otherwise your head shed will decide you are surplus to requirements and give you a drivers seat in a shitty T64, with the option to die for Nazi Russia and Putins glory. “I fought the N-LAW and the N-LAW won”!

PragmaticScot
PragmaticScot
7 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Nope, what’s left of the UK would be classed as the continuing state, that allows rUK to keep the UN Security Council seat, it does open a few cans of worms on other topics but in reality it just makes sense for rUK to keep the seat with Scotland becoming a new applicant to the UN.

David Barry
David Barry
7 days ago
Reply to  Jay R

Have you thought about calling the Samaritans?

Jay R
Jay R
7 days ago
Reply to  David Barry

Yes they were not helpful, the guy who answered was Scottish

John Clark
John Clark
7 days ago
Reply to  Jay R

🤣🤣🤣😂

Tomartyr
Tomartyr
7 days ago
Reply to  Jay R

Always knew the Union was the one thing stopping this crazy world going off the edge.

Martin
Martin
7 days ago
Reply to  Tomartyr

“The United Kingdom of Great Britain, keeping the wheels on Europe since the Spanish succession” 😀

In fairness it’s not wrong the UK is still very much the linch pin between Europe and the Anglosphere and removing Scotland would greatly diminish the rUK in terms of defence and economy. The cost of moving Faslane alone would be a game changer.

Jay R
Jay R
7 days ago
Reply to  Tomartyr

I know, Scotland, the largest county in England sure know how to upset the rest of the country.

grizzler
grizzler
7 days ago
Reply to  Jay R

Jesus Christ – you don’t half spout some rubbish- just cause a few sweatys like to paint their face blue (and white) and flounce their kilts around.

Martin
Martin
7 days ago
Reply to  grizzler

That’s actually racist levels of abuse. You could be criminally prosecuted for making that statement in the UK now.

grizzler
grizzler
7 days ago
Reply to  Martin

Racists like the SNP you mean?I think that says more about the levels of WOKEism in the UK PC liberal mindset than it does about me.
Dont worry about getting all upset & replying, I’ll save you the bother – I’m off.

Last edited 7 days ago by grizzler
Martin
Martin
7 days ago
Reply to  grizzler

I don’t think you will be missed, no need for abusive xenophobic language like that. You should be ashamed of your self, a grown man speaking like that.

JamesD
JamesD
7 days ago
Reply to  Martin

Oh you were actually being serious? I’m pretty sure it was a joke ffs 🤣🤣

John Clark
John Clark
7 days ago
Reply to  grizzler

That simply isn’t fair, or accurate Grizzler, what of the ginger and ample bodied, you can’t go missing people out you know….

Sean
Sean
7 days ago
Reply to  Jay R

You been watching David Ike’s YouTube videos?…

PragmaticScot
PragmaticScot
7 days ago
Reply to  Jay R

Is this a pitch for a book you’re writing or something as it’s pure fiction. Putin couldn’t care less about an independent Scotland, the EU won’t rule over anyone whether there’s a monarchy or not and NATO will still be a potent defensive alliance with or without an independent Scotland as long as the US is the guarantor of Western security.

Jay R
Jay R
7 days ago
Reply to  PragmaticScot

Who will be responsible for QRA over the North Sea, England or Scotland? Control of the frozen is Russia’s ultimate ambition, especially now it is thawing. A divided UK would be most convenient for Putin

PragmaticScot
PragmaticScot
7 days ago
Reply to  Jay R

QRA North would likely be a joint matter, there’s a variety of options and most involve base sharing at Lossiemouth, it’s a fantastic location for both QRA and MPA to launch from. If you look at Denmark, Norway, Finland etc. I think it would be fair to say Scotland could have a fast jet force but if it was starting from scratch that’s at least a decade before everything is in place. In the interim joint squadrons, similar to 11 & 12 squadrons with Qatar, would probably work out best to allow for training and to help share costs while… Read more »

Gavin Gordon
Gavin Gordon
7 days ago
Reply to  Jay R

I cannot abide all you Nostradamus’, claiming in no uncertain terms what Que Sera.
I’m the only one who knows the future – but don’t think for one moment you’ll be able to call me out. I’ve a cunning plan to die long before then. Aha!

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
7 days ago
Reply to  Jay R

Jay, have you been out in the sun too long? I doubt much of what you forecast will come to pass.

Jay R
Jay R
7 days ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Haha, seriously I honestly believe Blighty is in for some dark times. Fractures are forming and countries are splitting, this can only lead to war. Unity is the way to peace, not division. Walls ultimately crumble

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
7 days ago
Reply to  Jay R

I think you’ve had an enjoyable day winding folk up….

David Barry
David Barry
6 days ago
Reply to  Jay R

I walked Hadrian’s Wall last week… seemed fine… Great Wall of China still in place as well.

Jay R
Jay R
5 days ago
Reply to  David Barry

And the Berlin Wall?

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
6 days ago
Reply to  Jay R

Not sure your walls analogy is a good one. Which countries of the UK are splitting? Scotland rejected independence in 2014 and Sturgeon cannot persuade Boris to have another one. Plaid Cymru don’t even run Wales – they are minnows. The Northern Irish have not lobbied for a border poll and many in the RoI don’t want unification if their taxes have to go up.

Jay R
Jay R
5 days ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

The UK is inevitably going to split. We are not a proud nation, the Union Jack is not respected in Scotland.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
5 days ago
Reply to  Jay R

The Scots respect the annual Barnett formula handout from the Union Jack Government though!

Tommo
Tommo
6 days ago
Reply to  Jay R

With all that doom and gloom im grateful That on the 19th June was granted the freedom of the City of Portsmouth my fellow shipmates can rest easy now before your Predictions come true Jay

nonsense
nonsense
7 days ago

It is clear that Russia will be most delighted if Scotland becomes a member of the European Union.

China will be delighted too.

and America will lose its only ally.
(But there are a lot of allies like Germany left in the US, so there’s nothing to worry about)

DanielMorgan
DanielMorgan
7 days ago
Reply to  nonsense

Nonsense.

nonsense
nonsense
7 days ago
Reply to  DanielMorgan

Do you miss the news of Britain at all?

During the economic crisis, everyone has pledged to strike as promised.

Do you think that the military will be able to function quietly when the economy is ruined?

When more chaos is added (exg: Scottish independence)

Britain will lose its military power.
= The United States cannot count on the military power of its only ally, Britain.

This effectively results in the loss of the United States’ allies as Britain.

Is this difficult?

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
7 days ago
Reply to  nonsense

I find your use of English, interesting…., especially the constant negativity with scenarios that are unlikely to come to pass. Are you another Kremlin morse tapper by any chance? Strikes? It’s happened before the economy is still intact. Are strikes “chaos” ? Covid has damaged all economies, including yours no doubt. The UKs can and does recover from these things. An independent Scotland would reduce the military but not necessarily it’s usefulness or “military power” as you call it. And considering the unionist vote out numbers the nationalist one, and that the devolved Scottish government has no power to legally… Read more »

Posse Comitatus
Posse Comitatus
7 days ago

Exactly.

John Clark
John Clark
7 days ago

Try a few Dads Army quotes Daniele, it flushed out JohninMk 😂😂

JohninMK
JohninMK
7 days ago
Reply to  John Clark

Eh!

Airborne
Airborne
7 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Remember pal, the dads army quotes you had no clue about, while you claim to be aged 70 plus and English. That was another of your little errors, a bit like Kayakers (who mysteriously never reappeared) after I showed him his arse when he funked up the GCSE question. You are easy to spot, and amusing as you post your Nazi agenda.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
7 days ago
Reply to  John Clark

Or the fork andles

Airborne
Airborne
7 days ago

He wouldn’t have a clue.

Martin
Martin
7 days ago
Reply to  nonsense

Russian bot

Martin
Martin
7 days ago
Reply to  nonsense

Who is else is ballsy enough to invade Iraq with them? not the Germans for sure. Realistically in military projection terms it’s the US followed by very distant China then the UK and that’s about it in terms of global power projection. France if you want to chase terrorists in the desert but don’t ask them to do anything substantial outside of light colonial duties. Neither Russia or Germany can project power even on their own boarders anymore. Japan can’t leave it’s own coast. If your talking soft power and sanctions then the UK is clearly the number two country… Read more »

JohninMK
JohninMK
7 days ago
Reply to  Martin

“If you look at the majority of military interventions in the past 20 years Kosovo, Libya, Ukraine we’re all UK initiated diplomatic efforts that the US followed us in to.”

I wouldn’t boast about those, they all turned into total disasters.

Other than perhaps Sierra Leone we have not exactly left a trail of military interventions that we can be proud of since the Falklands.

Posse Comitatus
Posse Comitatus
7 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Your Russian invasion of Ukraine has so far proven to be an utter disaster not just for the Russian military losing over 30 % of their combat forces but most importantly for the Ukrainian civilian population who have suffered appalling warcrimes and genocide at the hands of an undisciplined and barbaric Russian army. Yet you seem so inordinately proud and smug about the destruction and death being wreaked on a peaceful country.

Nothing in living memory that Russia has ever done could be viewed with pride by anyone who didn’t have a deep psychological disorder .

dave12
dave12
7 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

What are you on about Ivan with Kosovo that was a NATO success stopped your dire mates the serbs ethnic cleansing and also stopped the Orcs supplying weapons to the serbs when they came late in the game, to late to make any influence on the matter , you are showing your Orc ways johnski starved of reality and generally malnourished, time for you to scrub that pig pen and wave the Z flag some more in desperate hope.

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Airborne
Airborne
7 days ago
Reply to  dave12

Agreed, he is a nazi troll appeaser who would, in the 1930s, be supporting Hitlers rise to power!

Airborne
Airborne
7 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

How about some condemnation of Putins current illegal cluster fuck of an invasion of Ukraine? Coward.

Martin
Martin
6 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

Libya for sure but Kosovo was a success and Ukraine going pretty well. But my point is simply that the UK can and does have influence on the global stage behind any other country save the USA and China through its link with the USA and its not simply a one way relationship with the US but reciprocal.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
6 days ago
Reply to  Martin

Exactly the reason for my fear of Labour getting in with their far left elements, will that link to USA get eroded by their anti US pro EU politics?

dave12
dave12
6 days ago

I think the prospect of Trumpski getting back into power is more scary thing , you could say goodbye to US support to the Ukraine , cant see Labour getting in to power but Starmer has put his foot down on his loony left members.

David Barry
David Barry
6 days ago
Reply to  JohninMK

So Slovenia is a disaster?

Puffing Billy
Puffing Billy
7 days ago

Just what NATO doesn’t need – the balkanisation of Europe into little mini-states – all banging their own little drums.

Puffing Billy
Puffing Billy
7 days ago

If Scotland goes independent I shall stop buying Scottish smoked kippers and convert completely to Devonian smoked mackerel. Lovely jumberly!

Farouk
Farouk
7 days ago
Reply to  Puffing Billy

Stopped buying Scottish whisky years ago. Only purchase Japanese Whisky now

Gavin Gordon
Gavin Gordon
7 days ago
Reply to  Farouk

Have you tried Jameson?

Farouk
Farouk
7 days ago
Reply to  Gavin Gordon

That I have (kind of helps I spent 3 years in the Province) visited Bushmills (But I recommend visiting Mortons chippy in Ballycastle instead) a number of times and partaken of quite a few of the clear illegal stuff as well (now that puts hairs on yer chest) not impressed, funny enough I didn’t touch the stuff until I was posted to Cyprus and found out the hard way you couldn’t buy Night nurse there, full of cold, I bitched like only a bloke can in the Mess (well it was downstairs) and our Turkish barman made me a Hot… Read more »

Crabfat
Crabfat
7 days ago
Reply to  Farouk

Ah… Cyprus! Memories of kebab nights and cochinelli (ish that ow you shpell it??)

Farouk
Farouk
7 days ago
Reply to  Crabfat

With an ID of Crabfat, i can only presume you were WSBA, I was ESBA so we had the delights of Aya Napa to enjoy.

Crabfat
Crabfat
13 hours ago
Reply to  Farouk

Spot on Farouk!

Gavin Gordon
Gavin Gordon
7 days ago
Reply to  Farouk

OK, gotta accept the T-shirt every time. Any idea what else was in the toddy, though?
Notice the limb I went out on, Scotch name, not a Scotch. It gets worse, though. I’m not Scottish – but I was recommended ‘J’ by an ardent Scot!
Whilst I’m unburdening (it’s such a relief), I might as well let on that the most palatable red wine I came across whilst in the RN was – Chinese; there, I’ve said it. 😨

Sean
Sean
7 days ago

NATO, not the bungling EU, is the sole guarantor Euro-Atlantic security order.
Shows how much the SNP knows about defence. It’s laughable to they want an independent Scotland to join NATO, an alliance with nuclear weapons as its ultimate deterrent, yet they want British nukes out of Scotland.
Seems that all SNP policy is based on hypocrisy.

David Barry
David Barry
7 days ago
Reply to  Sean

They want want their shortcake and they want to eat it!

Like the ‘Paper’ but, detest that Labour are behind the curve.

Hey ho.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
7 days ago
Reply to  David Barry

Get your Labour lot in Scotland to shake themselves down.Their diminishing in stature has been filled by these UK haters.

PragmaticScot
PragmaticScot
7 days ago
Reply to  Sean

Except many NATO nations don’t want to host nuclear weapons, including both Sweden and Finland who stated as much at the time of their recent applications. Less than half of NATO is part of the nuclear sharing policy and only 3 members actually have their own nuclear weapons, sounds like a lot of people already in NATO benefit from deterrence without hosting it or paying anything towards its development of upkeep.

Steven Alfred Rake
Steven Alfred Rake
7 days ago
Reply to  PragmaticScot

The 3 nuclear partners in Nato (US,UK and France) have put up the nuclear umbrella that the rest of Nato and Europe are happy to live under but paying nothing toward the expense of maintaining the deterrent saving trillions over the decades. Is it not time for those countries to put some money into the pot to help pay for the nuclear umbrella they are all happy to live under. This would allow the US,UK and France to put more money into conventional weapons giving Nato and Europe more conventional capability.

PragmaticScot
PragmaticScot
7 days ago

Not saying you’re wrong but I don’t get the whole Scotland doesn’t want nukes so shouldn’t be in NATO line, most of NATO doesn’t have or want nukes plus fail to meet the 2% of GDP on defence pledge so let’s not kid ourselves that Scotland (like Finland and Sweden) would still be welcomed into NATO even without wanting to base nuclear weapons.

Steven Alfred Rake
Steven Alfred Rake
7 days ago
Reply to  PragmaticScot

Any body with an once of sense would want to get rid of nuclear weapons but you cannot uninvent them so some of us have to step up and put up that umbrella so that people like Mad Vlad have to think twice before using their nuclear weapons. But that umbrella is getting increasingly harder to afford so the people who have lived under it and have profited by not having to invest in it should now be asked to put there hands in there pocket to help out the countries who have protected their way of life for the… Read more »

PragmaticScot
PragmaticScot
7 days ago

Sadly that’s for NATO members to sort out, so they ask for a token payment per year, a percentage of operational costs (if so who audits that). Many smaller members of NATO spend very little on defence as their economies are tiny, for context Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania combined have an economy smaller than Scotland let alone Denmark, Sweden or Finland, so the question is do you take a token payment which is meaningless to the nuclear powers or do you provide that protection in return for them spending that money on conventional forces? If Scotland were to become independent… Read more »

Steven Alfred Rake
Steven Alfred Rake
7 days ago
Reply to  PragmaticScot

The token payment might be small from some countries but but others like Germany would be quite substantial, the Baltic states are already spending 2% to 2.5% GDP on defence and are now committed to 3% with Denmark already on the 3% threshold. My personal thoughts on Scotland are that the current popularity of the SNP is a direct reaction to the inept politicians in Westminster but like all politicians they are good at making promises but are not so good at fulfilling them. I just do not think that the Scottish people are being given the facts about independence,… Read more »

PragmaticScot
PragmaticScot
6 days ago

Just a minor point but Denmark last year spent the equivalent of 1.47% of GDP on defence, they had planned to be at 2% by 2024 but now seems likely that will take until 2030. There’s lots of well off European countries sitting in the 1.1-1.9% bracket who really should be the ones to help reinforce the conventional component of NATO, this includes Germany (1.5%), Italy (1.4%), Spain (1.1%), Netherlands (1.4%) and Belgium (1.1%) plus the aforementioned Denmark. The fact these countries already don’t spend what they are supposed to as per the NATO spending pledge makes getting any contribution… Read more »

Steven Alfred Rake
Steven Alfred Rake
6 days ago
Reply to  PragmaticScot

The whole of Nato pledged to spend at least 2% but like you say most of the old school Nato members were quite happy to let the USA take the lead while they just played lip service to the 2% rule, the UK included as we were on a the same level as Germany for a while but with Mad Vlad chomping at the bit, I do believe that things are changing with the Baltic states leading the way as they know what it is like to live under the Russian jack boot but the old school Nato country’s like… Read more »

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
5 days ago

I don’t recall that the UK were below 2%, however there is some creative accounting to get us to that figure.

Steven Alfred Rake
Steven Alfred Rake
5 days ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

If you strip away all the stuff that should not be in the Defence budget we were on a power with Germany I would say we are on or about 2% now but we should be looking at 3% on conventional forces with the nuclear deterrent with its own budget.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
4 days ago

The nuclear deterrent always used to be directly funded by Treasury and not from the MoD, then it got changed.
I have it on good authority that some non-Defence intelligence is charged to Defence.
Then there is the POV that defence pensions should not come out of the MoD budget as this does not amount to capability – it would be interesting to see if teachers pensions come out of the Edn budget etc.
I agree with your proposal, but there are ‘no votes in defence’, so it won’t happen.

Steven Alfred Rake
Steven Alfred Rake
4 days ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

I think Mad Vlad will change the voters thinking on defence, and as far as the Nuclear deterrent is funded, we should be looking to Nato and the EU for extra funding to help with the Nuclear deterrent as they all have profited from living under the umbrella put up be the US/UK and France now that Mad Vlad is openly talking of using his nuclear arsenal we should be remining the rest of Nato/Europe that a Nuclear deterrent is expensive so some help in financing it would be good.

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
3 days ago

British voters seem to be interested in Partygate and Boris’ trustworthiness, cost of living, rail strike etc. Has the electorate ever been interested in spending more on Defence since WW2?

Steven Alfred Rake
Steven Alfred Rake
3 days ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Oh I don’t know about that, there is a lot of people who think about the state of our armed forces but with the media and political elite against the armed forces it deliberately kept in the back burners so that the general public thinks all is OK. If you look at the invasion of the Ukraine for the first 2/3 week it was 24/7 now you hardly hear anything in the news now as the government dose not want the pressure from the public asking what has happed to out armed forces and we should be getting the army… Read more »

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
20 hours ago

I agree. The reductions are staggering. From 28 attack subs in 1981/2 to just 7 now. From 50 DD/FF at the same time to just 18 today. From a Corps of four armoured divisions (plus an armoured brigade in Berlin) to a struggle to deploy a single ‘heavy’ division today, in fact probably we could just deploy one or 2 ‘heavy’ brigades only.

Steven Alfred Rake
Steven Alfred Rake
11 hours ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

One of the reasons I started to comment on this site is that I thought that it might get some of the people at the top of the tree to sit-up and actually think about what they are doing to this country. But there seems to be an under current of people who seem to be on this and other site like this one to belittle any one who dear contradict the government and it policy’s. We have our shear of Russian Troll on this site but also government trolls who are just here to make a mockery of any… Read more »

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
15 minutes ago

Thanks Steven. I just hope that the people at the top read this site and filter out the comments from the trolls, fantasists etc. I proudly served as an officer for 34 years and served in many parts of the world and saw many diferent facets of army and joint missions. Our current and many past governments deserve to be criticised for many aspects of defence policy and for decisions that have weakened our armed forces and imperilled lives. One example and there are plemty others. When I was in Afghanistan I felt that we had been deployed to the… Read more »

dave12
dave12
7 days ago

So why is my comment deleted UKDJ ? its was all above bored.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
7 days ago
Reply to  dave12

I got a notification of it mate. 👍

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
7 days ago

And it’s also all sooooo convenient that the union votes split 3 ways, guaranteed SNP win in most seats.

Let’s merge the unionist parties into the Union Party in Scotland and see how many seats SNP win then in the voting system.

No majority.

No mandate.

dave12
dave12
7 days ago

Spot on

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins
7 days ago

3% would be a very good start!“Defence minister reiterates UK’s commitment to Ukraine and NATO Leo Docherty, who is the UK’s defence minister, reiterated the government’s commitment to Ukraine and NATO in the House of Commons.   “The United Kingdom and NATO stand with Ukraine. We are providing political and practical support to support its self-defence and will further strengthen NATO’s deterrence and defence posture,” he said.  He added that the UK has increased support to Ukraine, bringing the total budget to £1.3bn .  According to Mr Docherty, the UK has sent over 6,900 anti-tank missiles, five air defence systems,… Read more »

Graham Moore
Graham Moore
6 days ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

Interesting too what the new CGS has to say about preparing to fight and win a war in Europe.

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins
6 days ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

Indeed, I hope we can retrieve some or all of the £5 Billion spent on Ajax and look at the tracked version of Boxer for a mixed fleet.

The Lynx offers some valuable options too.

One for the experts on here to discuss, but it’s definitely time to get on with it.

I’m not sure how many of these Germany or other Nato members have left, but this upgrade would suit the Ukrainian armed forces on the ground.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/land-forces/latest/eurosatory-2022-cockerill-3105-turret-installed-on-leopard-1

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Graham Moore
Graham Moore
6 days ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

We have spent £3.2bn on Ajax not the full £5+bn. We will get little of that back if Ajax is scrapped as the £3.2bn was spent on work that MoD ‘signed off’.
Is the tracked Boxer available as a recce/strike vehicle? Is it fully developed and reliable? Is it affordable? Could it be manufactured immediately?

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins
6 days ago
Reply to  Graham Moore

All good points, but worth considering. “The innovative tracked drive module has an increased level of protection and mobility that is otherwise only comparable to that of heavy tracked vehicles. Since the BOXER tracked is conceptually based on the modular system of the BOXER vehicle family, the drive module can be combined with all BOXER mission modules already introduced. With this new version of the BOXER, the German company Krauss-Maffei Wegmann (KMW) presents a new generation of light tank offering the firepower of a main battle tank and the mobility of an IFV (Infantry Fighting Vehicle) with a combat weight… Read more »

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Tommo
Tommo
6 days ago

Poor old Prince Andrew and all the trouble he has landed himself in too cap it all as a Falklands Veteran he now has the freedom of the City of Portsmouth can things get any worse for him . SORRY too all Pompey lads just had too post this little fact