As part of military support to the NHS throughout the UK during the Coronavirus pandemic, Merlin helicopters from Culdrose will act as flying ambulances say the Royal Navy.
The Royal Navy say that the helicopters – typically used for submarine-hunting – will provide round-the-clock assistance to the NHS and South West Ambulance Services, serving a population of more than 4,500,000 people across Cornwall, Devon, Dorset, Bristol, Somerset, the Channel Islands and the Isles of Scilly.
“Three Merlin Mk2 helicopters and their crews from 820 Naval Air Squadron have been set aside for the task, aided not just by their own engineers and technicians, but the entire support network at the Helston airbase: medics, air traffic controllers, safety and logistic experts. The submarine-hunting equipment which normally fills the helicopters’ cabins has been stripped out so the Merlins can carry several stretchers, passengers and stores quickly, smoothly and efficiently over long distances.”
“This is very different from our ordinary role, but jobs like this are in our DNA. We are helping out the nation and the National Health Service during these testing times – it’s a real moment for everyone to pull together,” said Commander Chris ‘Grassy’ Knowles, 820’s Commanding Officer.
“It demands a real team effort for us here at Culdrose in terms of getting the aircraft and the crews ready, getting all the logistical support in place – providing air traffic controllers, meteorological information, so that we can operate 24 hours a day.”
You would have thought they would use the Commando helicopter force choppers before ripping out the ASW equipment; maybe they are already fully allocated too.
Isn’t the ASW stuff in a removable pod under one of the sides? I thought they designed it that way so all the same type of helicopter could be rotated in and out of the ASW role and not fatigue particular air-frames?
It’s all in the cabin, the mission console, sonobuoy dispenser, dipping sonar etc. – all gets removed I think
that is the crows nest kit for aewc
its in a large two seated cabinet facing aft. quite easy as a role fit.
I thought exactly the same thing! seems a lot of unnecessary work
On the outside using HC.4 seems more sensible. But with recent Norway deployments and deployments for the Caribbean, and the relative recent introduction of the HC.4 with the inevitable ramp up of training the RN may have made the decision that it made more sense for a limited time to use the HM.2 fleet whilst the HC.4 fleet were regenerating.
Wouldn’t the MK4 suit the role better? Especially with both Carriers still being in port…
a wildcat has been deployed to Newcastle not sure what role it,s playing but there are a few pics of it sat on the tramac with the tyne bridge in the background
Maybe the one from Leeming? Was reported here last week a Chinook and Wildcat were forward deployed up north.
That’s a far larger rotor than is normally used in the air ambulance roll. I would imagine it would not fit on most acute trusts heli pads As they are generally designed for a light weigh rotors not a flying house. I know my old EDs heli pad would be to small.
I suspect they will be used for swift movement across the nation between hub sites as normal air ambulances would not have the legs for that job ( they tend to do regional work with long range transfer done by fixed wing).
The Hospital where I work has had a Merlin on the Pad,there is a rumour its being expanded to take a Chinook,they have done touch and goes there only.
The compact rotor diameter of the Merlin which allows it to fit the pad on a T23 means it should fit a hospital helipad size wise but the weight might be an issue.
Looms like the Merlin will be used for the SW primarily where there is the possibility of overwater flight.
At times like these, it shows just how important transport aircraft and helicopters are to the nation. I wonder if there is sufficient funding available to increase the number we currently have within the current Covid-19 budget if required?
If we’re having to take away front line equipment now, ordering more in advance would be the sensible thing to do providing the workforce or finished product is available.
Agree. All Enablers need expanding, as they have peacetime utility too. At the very least maintained at their current levels.
RFA, RAF SHF, RAMC, RLC, RE.
With respect Harold the current focus is using those weapons to save lives. Over the last 70 years the death rate due to war has plummeted mostly due (I would say) to current policies. Always looking for improvements and will be fascinated to see the world throw down it’s weapons (if that happens) but I suspect there is a lot of wishful thinking in your words.
It is always important that the military is available for peaceful purposes whenever needed. Training is good but cannot replace fighting an actual enemy even if it is an unconventional one.
Thanks to these guys. As a Devon resident, ex army and Emergency Services volunteer myself i applaud them and this decision. At this time we need to harness all of the Country’s assets and resources for the greater good.
Harold -when and if this crisis ends the World Economy will be trashed for sure,pretty much everyone will be in the same situation.Will this result in a rebalancing of Military thinking moving more towards Humanitarian Intervention and increased use of Soft Power,or will it go the other way with Nations desperate for Resources and Assets using whatever means to get them ?.
I would say the Covid-19 crisis is to the Advantage of China, they managed to contain it mostly to one province, yes supply disruptions in other parts of China as well. So I think China will become more of a military threat especially in the Pacific.
We also see that Russian milltary activity is very high recently!
Anyone Who thinks China and Russia would Agree to World Disarmament, is living in Cloud Cuckoo Land!
China is certainly in the best position world wide, its economy has hardly been dented and now they are cashing in selling everyone everything they need and no doubt at inflated prices. This could trigger the shift of power from the USA to China as the US is going to be financially crippled after this.
Just hope and pray it doesn’t trigger a war.
Covid-19 crisis just shows that the adversary Trolls will do whatever they can to disarm us!
Just three misguided officers out of thousands of former officers who support the policy of ‘Nuclear deterrence’.
Nuclear deterrence has kept the World in mainly peace for over 70 years.
Lets keep it that way, No World Wars!
No just you, yet again. Doesn’t waffling troll tripe ever get boring? Don’t you get out much?
Still no answer I see, oh dear, how sad, never mind!
The Covid-19 crisis is also highlighing the issue of the spread of misinformation and lies by Trolls on social media. I hope the general public will become more aware of the issue.
To slightly broaden on that, if this was 39-45, most (Corbynite) Labour politicians who are using the coronavirus pandemic to score political points, would have been arrested for dissent.
Many Labour MP’s, are rewriting history by editing the true facts to suit party political further…is that not a form of trolling in a time of National Emergency?
Not sure how you came to Ask that question, but no, it has nothing to do with the quotes in the article.
Do you have any examples of any Labour MP’s rewriting history, please?
Starmer in his first speech as leader accredited the NHS And NI Good Friday Agreement as Labour concepts/achievements.
The NHS proposal and White Paper was carried through by Churchill and Willink as part of Churchill’s 4yr Plan. Whoever took power post war, we would have had a National Health Service of some form/model.
The Good Friday agreement was John Majors doing, who ever won the 97 Election would have carried it through.
Sometimes the omission of detail can skew people’s interpretation of history, don’t you think?
As I have read, at the Post-war time Tories were split on the issue of a fully fledged Welfare State. So a Conservative victory in 45, might not have created an NHS straight away, maybe even a watered down version most likely, or could have of been very messy business at the time.
With Labour winning in 45, it was a decisive consensus to create a Welfare State.
So I think Starmer is right on this issue!
I am not sure what an alternative history of 1997, would be for Northern Ireland, might be different, who knows, sorry not sure!
That’s just about the answer I was expecting.
He misled, by the omission of the White Paper, set out by a Liberal under a Conservative lead National Government.
I’m surprised Starma didn’t try to own Lloyd-George’s “A Land Fit for Heroes”, another notable step forward for our nation, again under a coalition government.
Ian you’re taking out your arse mate, you say “Corbynite” MP’s spreading lies then use Kier Starmer as an example, Starmer is in the group of least Corbynite MP’s by a mile, he was heavily involved in the coup to get rid of Corbyn in 16, to even suggest he is a “Corbynite” shows you know next to nothing about politics
When you started your post I thought you were going to talk about the NHS and social care being under funded for a decade or along those lines when talking about scoring political points, but you’re actually talking about the creation of the NHS and the good Friday agreement, you need to lay off the glue, who on earth is thinking this, “don’t claim credit for doing things totally unrelated to this crisis in the time of national emergency” just exactly what planet are you on
And for the record, Boris Johnson will rightly claim to have delivered Brexit when we leave the EU, and he will be forever remembered for doing so, even though it wasn’t his idea and it’s been decades in the making, that’s kinda how history and politics work, so when in a couple of years he is claiming to have delivered Brexit I hope you’re here calling him out for scoring political points
What a strange few posts
I would put Brexit down to Nigel Farage…
Starmer, I would class as a Socialist, period.
I do not class him as a Corbynite, simply because his character is of ambition, ‘a leader’, not a follower.
I thought it wouldn’t be long till Jeremy’s chief flag-waver would be on the scene…LOL!
I would put the Brexit vote down to Nigel Farage, that vote is long gone and he has had absolutely nothing to do with the actual concept of leaving, the most important part
You would class him as a socialist, he is not a socialist, he abstained on a conservative welfare bill, he calls himself a socialist because the membership has a huge socialist wing and labour was formed as a socialist party, he is maybe slightly economically socialist but I and many others who know what they’re talking about would class him as what he is, a left leaning neocon
Isn’t that what Thatcherism, blairite, Corbynite is? A bracket to describe people who follow someones political ideas, nothing to do with ambition or being a leader, he’s frequently described as a blairite, and if he followed all of Jeremy Corbyns ideas he would be classed as a Corbynite, do you not think the other candidates have any ambition? Pretty sure they put themselves up and campaigned heavily
This has nothing to do with Jeremy Corbyn, it’s you thinking we are in WW2 so labour MP’s should not say anything, then claiming they’re “corbynites” then bringing up the creation of the NHS and GFI as Labour misleading, it’s glue sniffer stuff…Lol
Your head appears to be stuck in a Corbynite rabbit-hole, LOL
And your heads up your own by the sounds of it mate you’ve messed up about Starmer speech saying he said things that he never
And you’re struggling with this discussion not understanding obvious points
So you’re reverting to type, which is what happens when I encounter everyone like this which is to bring up Jeremy Corbyn as many times as you can for some strange reason, even stranger as he isn’t even part of this discussion
Anyway I’m off to bed mate, put the bottle back under the sink or tell your mrs to hide it from you
SoleSurvivor
“but you’re actually talking about the creation of the NHS and the good Friday agreement, you need to lay off the glue, who on earth is thinking this”
This was Starmer’s first speech as your leader!
So, Starmer is thinking this! You’d better tell him to “Lay off the Glue” LOL
You just couldn’t make this up…thanks for making my Stay-at-Home so amusing…LOL
No mate, your argument was on political point scoring and you brought up what he said (wrongly btw as I’ve told you below) the surprise was at you bringing up those examples of point scoring
He wasn’t talking about political point scoring he was doing his leadership speech
Honest question how many have you had?
Ian – I wouldn’t credit John Major with the Good Friday Agreement,he had no power to make any progress,much like Teresa May and Brexit,it needed a Government with a very strong majority to stand any chance of sorting the NI problem out,which of course happened in 1997.
The coming together of key figures at key points in history cannot be detached from the eventual outcomes.
The Baldonnel meeting and subsequent signing of The Downing Street Declaration, was, without any shadow of a doubt, the key to NI peace.
To overlook this, and signal credit to a single Political Party, as Labour has a tendency to do when targeting a certain demographic, is clearly attempting to rewrite history for political further!
“We built hospitals and schools, established Sure Start and played our part in bringing about peace in Northern Ireland.”
Ian I know it’s hard on lockdown but put down whatever bottle it is you’re drinking
Your entire argument on here is bogus, he said “played our part” where on earth are you getting that he is saying he is just crediting the Labour Party for the GFI
You’ve watched the speech and are so desperate to criticise him you’re making stuff up in your head and not actually listening to what he’s said, all you’ve heard is good Friday agreement and the steam has started coming from your ears, you need to chill out and listen to what people are saying, maybe watch it twice and read the transcript, it saves you coming on here starting pointless discussions based on a lie
I listened intensely to his vomit-inducing socialist propaganda!
Played “our part” because it was between three parties…
The entire speech contradicts itself throughout, and as for the cathartic inflexions in his delivery? Please stop the planet, I wish to get off…
Has Labour clubbed together yet for Ali Mohammed Younis’s reef, and will Jeremy be laying it?
Haha ?
Now the penny has finally dropped we have entered into the next phase where the mask slips and the rage intensifies
You started off trying to look impartial to make Labour look bad now the gloves are off and the real Ian the true blue Tory comes out, now absolutely everything you say has no weight because of how biased you just made yourself look
I used to have great debates with conservative voters on here, ones with facts not smears
Go to bed mate
I’m non-partisan with Classical Liberal views!
Wondered how long it would take before labelling me a Tory, predictable and standard reply from a Corbynite on the losing end of a discussion…bedtime, goodnight!
Non-partisan? I think your last reply makes that suggestion pretty ridiculous
Losing end? I am not the one that started this discussion based on a lie, you lost the minute you started a smear that wasn’t factual
Was it not the case that British Communists opposed Britain’s entry into WW2 at first.
Only then supported the war effort, after the Soviet Union was attacked by Germany?
You’ve said that twice…..
This is totally different from WW2 and there is no national unity government or coalition, it’s the conservatives making every decision, therefore it’s her majesty’s oppositions role to hold every decision to account and to oppose
That’s basically how a parliamentary democracy works Ian, they’re paid for it and the people that vote for them expect there voices to be heard
Approval for the governments handling of this has dropped dramatically over the last week, they are making errors and seem to be reacting to public and media pressure, testing of frontline staff being one example
On the whole they have handled it ok, Sunak has been particularly good and the financial side has been excellent in my opinion
But let’s not just start sucking them all off saying they’re doing great and nobody is allowed to criticise just because it’s a crisis, because that would be pretty stupid wouldn’t it, yeah let’s ban all media, public and opposition politicians from having opinions
Maybe you want to live where this virus came from Ian, no political point scoring over there mate
First of all, I’m not your “Mate”!
To all intents and purposes, the invitation to Labour, to work with the government and to be listened to, is an act of National Unity.
Conflating constructive criticism with political points scoring, will never get past the electorate…why do think Labour took such a hammering at the last election?
Ali Mohammed Younis was assassinated today, will Jeremy be going to his funeral?
It’s what they were doing anyway and usually do in government, Labour has absolutely no say on policy, this was only offered the day after the testing fiasco, and is still in no way comparable to a coalition government
It certainly had nothing to do with political point scoring, the conservatives won a landslide on political point scoring, that stuff has happened in every election in history
I couldn’t care less, in fact I hope he does just so you can have your rage breakfast spitting into your cornflakes when it’s on the Mail front page
Your entire argument is based on bullshit mate btw, I have highlighted it below…Lol
SoleSurvivor
“Your entire argument is based on bullshit mate btw, I have highlighted it below…Lol”
Thank you for conceding!
Rather a waste of time trying to debate such matters on UKDJ. These days, this site is looking increasingly like the internet’s version of the Monday Club for people with learning difficulties.
The NHS is very much the creation of the post-war Labour government. The Conservatives could never have agreed to such a radical reform. Of course, the idea of national state provision of health was widely held by many politicians as a goal for post-war Britain. However as you rightly point out, it was Nye Bevan and the Attlee government that brought it into being. There was a degree of post-war consensus on social issues and Conservative politicians deserve some of the credit…Butler’s education act (brought in by Labour) that went someway towards creating a post-war meritocracy in education is a case in point.
Is the Labour Party really a socialist party. Ramsey Macdonald, who helped found the party, adamantly maintained that it was not. Many so called socialists, from the early days of the party, have been what I would regard as social democrats. That is, people with a developed social conscience working within the capitalist system to ameliorate its worst effects. I rather think that social democrats make up the majority of the Party and I think that Keir is one of them.
As for Socialism in the Labour Party, you could argue that the continental Marxist inspired version was/is less represented in PLP than Christian socialism. Methodism played a greater role in influencing the party than Marx. The great Keir Hardie, on retirement, became a Methodist lay-preacher!
Anyway, my best regards and hope you and your family are keeping safe!
Horodotus:
“The NHS is very much the creation of the post-war Labour government”
The NHS was the Manifestation of Willink’s White Paper!
Once the emergency medical service had been established in 1939, the question was not whether there should be an NHS but what form it should take and who should be in control. The white paper A document published by the government that sets out policy proposals. A national health service, published in 1944, detailed the wartime coalition government’s vision for a comprehensive, free and unified health service.
Herodotus, your opinion could equally take its place at the Monday Club for people with learning difficulties.
Read my post again! And to reiterate my point…the Labour government brought the NHS as we know it into being. It is very likely that a Conservative administration would not have been able or willing to deliver as comprehensive a package. To deny this is both churlish and ignorant. Did the Conservative government create the NHS…no it didn’t! The wartime coalition was just that….Labour, Liberal and Conservative and was acting on the Beveridge report….Beveridge was a Liberal.
You’re twisting and turning so much, you’re going to end up in a knot!
Now you’re backtracking from creation to adoption of a model…
Six more days till Monday Club Horodotus!!
The wartime white paper proposed a substantially different health service based on local authority control. It did not advocate the nationalisation of existing private assets and the creation of a national health body.. Even Beveridge wasn’t clear as to whether it should be a local authority service or a national service….he was even more circumspect as to how it was to be financed. I repeat, the NHS that exists today is the creation of the post war Labour government.
Come sempre,
La vittoria trova cento padri, e nessuno vuole riconoscere l’insuccesso.
Well, you should know chum….you should know???
I’m not your “Chum” and neither are you a moderator.
If I come across your dummy I’ll pop it back in your pram…
On that, I will retire from this discussion…Cheerio!
I have noticed, not been commenting very much for that reason
I would say Labour are socialist yes, but that’s because I call democratic socialism socialism, I call democratic socialists socialists, unfortunately in the 20th century we had a pair of a*******s who stuck socialist in their party names, they then happened to kill tens of millions of people under an authoritarian state that had naff all to do with socialism, of course Hitler copied Mussolini into putting the “socialist” angle in the party name, then offered a load of socialist policies to get the workers on side, as Mussolini did so successfully in Italy, that’s what made democratic socialism a thing in later years, getting away from the authoritarian tag that socialism had while still using socialist policies
I don’t think socialism can be defined because there are so many forms, but the strong principles remain and those principles are what founded the Labour Party
British socialism that came from the Fabian society etc then into the Labour Party was always democratic working with capitalism and it’s founders all identified as socialists, and even now Keir Starmer calls himself a socialist as does Bernie Sanders, as do loads of politicians, I think in this day and age as information, specifically historical & political information is more widely available calling yourself a socialist is absolutely fine, it doesn’t mean you want to overthrow the government with a copy of Das Kapital in one hand and a pitchfork in the other, taking all the money off rich people and the state owning absolutely everything, but of course you get the Ian’s of this world with “socialist propaganda” socialist is a media inspired buzz word for chaos for some people, yet if they support the NHS they could well be classified as a socialist, you certainly would if you went to the states and said you support free healthcare
I don’t tend to throw the Marxist label in when talking about some Labour MP’s because all they have campaigned for is greater nationalisation and more workers rights/representation, which other countries in Europe have but they are never described as Marxist, this is a British trait heavily influenced by the media, but yeah there is different levels of socialism in the PLP, as there is different levels of conservatism in the tories, trouble is the tories know how to do discipline in that regard so it’s never an issue with them
I have high hopes for Starmer but I have worries also, I’m hoping he can be the bridge and unite the party, which is why I voted for him
And thank you very much, we are all good so far, I am furloughed at home with the three kids and my mrs works in the NHS so it is a bit of a worry, she didn’t take kindly to my suggestion of jet washing her every time she gets back from work but hey ho, hope all is well with you and the family
Without conflating the issue; I would say that people identify (Communist) Stalin and Mao with Socialism before Hitler and Mussolini.
The communist models of China and Russia cost the lives of 60+million souls.
As a Classical Liberal, I’m extremely proud of our post WW1 house building program and our welfare system, just a little frustrating that the biggest steps forward tend to be after a war, at the cost of many lives.
I beleive in the Evolution of Society, not revolution!
BTW, I’m self employed.
Two weeks ago, I got a text off the government telling me to stop work imediately.
I’m living off savings till June 1st, when i will get a grant based on my last three years of tax returns.
I’m also an NHS volunteer and go for my blood tests tomorrow…
I am not a Tory, I do not fully identify with any of todays political parties, I’m simply a floating voter.
I wish your family well.
Hi Ian, yes when I said “pair of a*******s” the other I was referring to was Stalin
And that’s one of the issues, I would never in a million years describe any of those as socialists, I would not even call Stalin a Communist, a lot of people now call the soviet model for what it was, state capitalism. If you read any book on the fall of the Soviet Union you will see most people on the left inside Russia called Stalinism a criminal betrayal of Marxist ideals, all of them, Hitler, Stalin & Mao used socialism and communism in name only to camouflage despotism
The USSR was run by a despot, managers and state bureaucrats that systematically oppressed the working class, that is not socialism, that’s why I find it so bizarre that people still think it was some form of socialism, it wasn’t
But good luck to you Ian and fairplay for being an NHS volunteer, I wish you and your family well also
There is a word for executives who have the elected representatives of its legislative arrested for dissent and it’s not a word I would use for HMG. If It ever became the case that I did need to use that word against HMG then it would be a time when all the citizens of this country who believed in democracy would have a major decision to make.
Three times, shows that it’s an electronic troll.
Ah troll Harold and his defence force plan. I have informed him of the errors of his plan, and that it shows his lack of military experience and knowldege, however Harold the troll has never replied. Come on Harold, instead of waffling total chuff, come and explain how you think a purely defensive force would ever be usable, practical and effective? Alas methinks a troll knows very little but loves one liners.
Harold likes his “drive-by shootings”. suddenly pops up with an outrageous posting and then disappears, never standing by his statement or debating. Actually, this one isn’t quite as controversial as his usual postings. Does make me laugh though that when we’re barely spending 2% on defence, there’s a school of thought that its 2% too much! It really is a drop in the ocean compared to what is spent on other departments.
I like that “drive-by-shootings”
Very true.
Oh dear is that the best you can do? Tut tut, very sad.
“What would you know as a signal operator little girl?”
On certain subjects a lot more than you.
And I’m a 48 year old male. Explained that to you too years back.
And the term is “Signalman” or a “Signaller” in the PC version.
“You don’t own this site remember.”
No. And no one apart from you has suggested I do. You posted that exact comment a few years ago.
As you think I own this site for posting often, I will post even more now, thank you.
Every been in the armed forces have you?
No.
Next question?
Amazing how you reply when I was not talking to you yet when I have replied to you before with MY opinions debunking your comments you don’t debate.
And that answer still avoids the question of your competence in military matters, specifically in the use, TTPs and role of a Defence force. Go on, have a go at the answer, let us all know about your Defence force concept, and maybe not look like the sad troll ? end you currently do!
I think I know who troll H is now!
He his just written an anti defence article in the Guardian.
Read it for a laugh, calls himself grumpy old man, but could also be Mike as well, another avatar he uses. Same lack of subject matter knowledge, same sad life, same regurgitated garbage, same child like writing style. Intersting thing is it got the Guardian “top comment” (althouhg not much to choose from), which makes me think there could be a link to one of the sad Guardian employees?
I think it is clear that defence will be miles down the pecking order when this is all over and its time to rebuild, but hopefully once the economy is back on track, some thoughts can be given to how a better equipped armed forces (hospital ships / helicopters / man power / etc) could help should this happen again.
Steve at least this episode hopefully has shown the entire country who the “mission critical key workers are” it is not the bankers, stockbrokers, fund managers, insurance underwriters. Perhaps now the key workers will get correct pay and remuneration for doing dangerous life threatening work that holds society together.
Maybe if we have not bankrupt the country by the end of the coronavirus pandemic, then all those key workers might get a bit more appreciation from a country that is upto now utterly ungrateful. A clap does not change 14 years of below inflation or non existent pay rises in the NHS for experienced frontline clinicians like myself, who are risking their lives on a daily basis.
A clap does not change the fact more NHS clinicians are verbally, physically or sexually assaulted then any police force. It needs to be an automatic prosecution and imprisonment from now on to be found guilty of any of those crimes. I am sick of having to tell angry, thickos that it is not acceptable to push, punch, swear or attack a young nurse, doctor, physio or any other nhs worker. Daily occurrence in “our beloved NHS”
A clap does not change the fact that the government knew a pandemic was coming in January, as did I and all my colleagues, but did NOTHING to prepare or stop the disease entering the country.
The lack of correct PPE is not the actions of a country that respects and cares for it’s TRUE key workers. It has already cost the lives of some of my colleagues, with thousands off sick and likely many more going to die.
A clap does not reverse the years of ward closures, lack of ICU capacity, lack of adequate staff numbers, decades of under investment and drip feeding only enough resources to keep the dying corpes of the NHS alive and out of the public’s attention. Something has to change, many millions of uk citizens dont pay enough tax to cover the costs of adequately resourced public services, instead they all drive around in the latest cars, have multiple foreign holidays a year, such as going skiing in Italy or France to hot zones where there is a known outbreak of a deadly airborne pathogen. It is primarily this behaviour that led to the pandemic spreading so quickly and so fast.
I have little faith the UK will learn the real lessons from this pandemic and we will be in a similar situation in a few years time when CV19 has mutated into something much worse.
Back on track, hats off to the military, I’m working alongside them every day and their energy and make do and make it happen attitude is well suited to supporting the nhs through this crises. Air ambulance helicopters are usually not fitted for night flying.
Also can only take 1 patient at a time, whereas coronavirus has already shown that to take pressure off a hospital you need to move 5, 10, 15 critically unwell patients away to another nightingale facility and that is why large helicopters like Merlin and chinook are perfect for this job.the nhs has many advantages to dealing with cv19/ SARS2. Being able to balance out regional and national pressures is one of them.
I don’t think it really has told the nation. Everyone already knew who was the important workers, but the reason they don’t get paid better is because it means we have to pay more in taxes, which will never fly.
Additionally when compared private vs public directly (including pension and other benefits) and private get paid as well as public for front line staff, sad fact is money goes to the bosses, not the front line staff in private entities.
Once it is over, the topic will be rapidly forgotten and normality will return where everyone complains they pay too much in taxes.
Steve, that doesn’t fly with me. Sorry. This pandemic needs to be considered a “wake up call”. I know about 30% of the senior clinicians , myself included, that have said this is the very last time we do this. Just because we have had our fill, spent too many years working in intolerable circumstances, with inadequate resources and never enough beds, staff, equipment to meet the needs of the service.
So after this pandemic the NHS within 1 year is likely to lose 100,000 frontline clinical staff.
It is your “accepting attitude” that is why we are in the mess we are in. It is simple really. If the UK wants world class or even acceptable public services, then those that can have to pay more tax. If not, well next pandemic or national emergency the experienced staff will not be there for society.
Otherwise we revert back to form with those that take from society and dont give anything back, continuing their selfish lifestyles of living in comparative luxury whilst the UK sinks ever deeper into an abyss of it’s own making. Minus 100,000 frontline clinicians who will leave UK and within 12 months will not be there to be called upon again.
After 23 years full time NHS ICU work and military service before that, I’m out. What have you done for your country if I may be so bold to ask Steve?
Sad little creature aren’t you.
@Mr Bell
I am not saying its the right thing, i am just saying it is what will happen. I think its unfair, but reality bites.
I don’t believe they will all walk away, i have worked in many big organisations where large numbers of staff have worked there decades and spent the whole time saying they will walk away due to x, y and z but when the crunch happens they don’t
I suspect that it is possible that there will be a one off bonus paid this year to NHS front line staff. I hope so, but i am not sure where the money would come from.
The issue is where does the long term pay rise come from? Right now the tax income of the government has been slashed due to large number of businesses not running and salaries not being paid and any battle funds (realistically there wasn’t one anyway) are being used to cover that. If they suddenly increase taxes at the end of this to pay the NHS staff it will hit small businesses hard (which are already close to death) and create even more to fail.
That is just the NHS, if you include all the government workers that are doing an amazing job right now and you have a rather large percentage of the UK population.
The government isn’t a PLC, it isn’t run at a significant profit which could be redirected at staff, the money just isn’t there.
Fair or not fair is irrelevant, the money has to be there.
Harold, you are a very twisted bloke. I think you need to grow some more grey matter as you are clearly limited to very immature replies to what are serious issues. Perhaps you should switch to CBBC channel, that is going to match your intellect a lot better.
Well done Harold, you certainly got the bees buzzing on this thread….. 8/10 for effort!
But 0/10 for subject matter knowldge a d that’s it very impressive at all. Also quite sad and lonely as his sole intention is to wind people up. But alas I like it, as it’s giving a sad lonely clown something to do, and we should support those in need.
I do agree with you that this pandemic is a wake-up call for the future, leading to establishment of
better scientific intelligence units to combat viruses, and to predict their evolution long before their become out of hand.
No doubt new technologies will be developed to collect intel on viruses and to combat them in the future.
This should be a priority, it will save a lot more money longer term.