Three Russians and one Ukranian will face murder charges for the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 nearly five years ago.
The following is the statement:
“I welcome today’s announcement by the Joint Investigation Team that four suspects will be prosecuted for crimes in relation to the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 in July 2014.
This is an important milestone in the efforts to uncover the full truth and ensure that justice is done for the killing of 298 people from 17 countries.
I have full confidence in the independence and professionalism of the investigation and the Dutch legal system. As the United Nations Security Council has made clear, all countries should cooperate with efforts to establish truth, justice and accountability.”
Two hundred and ninety-eight people were killed when the plane was shot down by a missile in July 2014.
Apparently the Malaysian Prime Minister had things to say about all of this.
https://www.defensenews.com/global/asia-pacific/2019/06/21/malaysia-prime-minister-decries-charges-in-mh17-downing/
I see Malaysia’s licking Russia’s hoop!
One of Malaysias biggest exports is palm oil. Most of the world is moving away from this product due to its massive adverse impact on the environment. However Russia recently committed to purchasing vast amounts of the stuff from Malaysia… It is no wonder their PM is suddenly not wanting to anger Putin…
Lee, that announcement also got me thinking why, a quick dig and I found the following: 1) On the 15th March 2016, a Russian-Malaysian business council was established with the intent to strengthen cooperation on economic, scientific, technological issues and culture. 2) On the 20th May 2016 a bilateral meetingbetween Malaysian Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak and Russian President Putin explored the possibility of negotiating for a free trade agreement (FTA) between Malaysia with the Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU) in which Russia was among the leading countries. They also looked at direct flights between Malaysia and Russia as well… Read more »
I do remember seeing the video of the “Russian” tracked SA11 Gainful/SA17 Grizzly covered in a tarpaulin leaving on the back of a transporter from Ukraine to Russia. I am amazed that they actually could pin names to incident. It won’t do any good, as its like those two GRU agents who’ve been identified for the Salisbury Novochok incident, they’re all in Russia and never likely to leave.
True, but just another nail in the reputation of the the gangster state that is Russia today.
Must have been absolutely terrifying on that plane! Most folk were still alive falling to the ground!
Mate. I didn’t want to be reminded of the details…
When does the independent tribunal start and a case opened for Iran Air flight 655 which was shot down by USS Vincennes in 1988, and press murder charges against ex Captain Will Rogers 111, and other members of the crew who fired missiles that day, causing the death of 290 people including 66 children.
At least the US had the decency and the balls to admit downing air flight 655
And paid the families of the dead. Did Putin give the families of the MH17 any rubles???
Not enough rubles in the kitty to give to victims ,Putins regime gets the priority.
What’s your evidence Dave that Russia downed MH17?
You know what the evidence is comrade sole ,but it would be wasted on you as with the evidence on novichoks incident with your waky conspiracy theory, You like bringing up arguments against wrong doings of the british in the past along with your leftist views (some I agree with) but any thing to do with Putins regime you go extreme Right and try to defend Russia ,a regime that promotes anti gay groups and pisses on its poor, it is a very strange view.
I despise Putins politics and despise Russian oligarchs and the influence they have. I call out what they did as the Soviet Union and call out laws they pass I don’t agree with, I call out their human rights record. But the Ukraine situation is completely different, I think it’s NATO aggression and expansion that is the root cause of all this, I think the US military industrial machine plays a tune to US policy in Europe and NATO expansion (more US Dollar purchases of their equipment) and that has intensified since failing in their regime change attempt in Syria… Read more »
Well I agree with most of your comment apart from the invasion of the Ukraine by Russia,which is no excuse how ever hard the EU pushed for influence of the ukraine and also mainstream media having no credibility, that just feeds Russian news outlets like RT which is just Putins mouthpiece and has no credibility what so ever.
SS wrote: But the Ukraine situation is completely different, I think it’s NATO aggression and expansion that is the root cause of all this, The last hat i wore was officer recruiting , our civy candidates would tip up and we would test them on various subjects, one of which was their grasp of current affairs. One of the questions we would ask them to write about was..the Ukraine As a member of the DS , I had to know more about the subject than they did, so I did. In a nutshell Poland and the Ukraine became independent within… Read more »
Well said!!!
So you’re an expert on Ukrainian current affairs, Farouk Viktor Yanukovych was removed during the Euromaidan clashes, which was in 2014. The Orange revolution was 10 years before that in 2004.
“I had to know more about the subject than they did, so I did”
Yep.
SS wrote: When does the independent tribunal start and a case opened for Iran Air flight 655 which was shot down by USS Vincennes in 1988, The United States and Iran reached a settlement at the International Court of Justice which included the statement “…the United States recognized the aerial incident of 3 July 1988 as a terrible human tragedy and expressed deep regret over the loss of lives caused by the incident. It agreed to pay US$61.8 million on an ex gratia basis, amounting to $213,103.45 per passenger, in compensation to the families of the Iranian victims. That issue… Read more »
Yeah Farouk when you were copying and pasting from Wikipedia mate you conveniently missed out “As part of the settlement, even though the U.S. government did not admit legal liability or formally apologize to Iran” And further down the article “The U.S. government issued notes of regret for the loss of human lives, but never formally apologized or acknowledged wrongdoing” And paying someone off in a settlement is not justice, yes the issue is closed, but if Russia did the same as the US, “issued deep regret about the loss of life” not admitting guilt and offered to pay compo… Read more »
The payment of damages closed the incident , just like it did when Libya paid for lockabie and the UTA DC-10 blown up over Niger’s Tenere desert in 1989.
Accept people were jailed for life for Lockerbie.
So Farouk if Libya just paid compensation and accepted responsibility at the start, do you think we should of dropped the investigation and never charged the bombers? Because the payment of damages “closed the incident”
SS wrote So Farouk if Libya just paid compensation and accepted responsibility at the start, do you think we should of dropped the investigation and never charged the bombers? Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi was found guilty in 2001. Libya offered to pay compensation in 2002 on certain conditions 40% of the money would be released when United Nations sanctions, suspended in 1999, were cancelled; Another 40% when US trade sanctions were lifted; The final 20% when the US State Department removed Libya from its list of states sponsoring terrorism. They paid 80% of the total by 2004 as the last… Read more »
You have not answered my question Farouk
there are some parallels between these incidents – but also some major points of difference. USS Vincennes querried that Iranian airliner numerous times and received no response; the Captain thereby had reasonable grounds to worry his ship and its crew were at risk. Not quite the same as the Russians shot first and never asked questions – nor their overlords who thought nothing wrong of arming undisciplined rebels and setting them loose with something capable of engaging aircraft at high altitude (noting of course that when the US supplied TOW missiles to Syrian Rebels back in 2015/2016, and explicitly avoided… Read more »
The US gave many warnings to the aircraft. The crew did not respond.
The day that happens the US will bomb the tribunal. See American Service-Members’ Protection Act (ASPA) occasionally called the “Hague Invasion Act” or “Bomb The Hague Act”. What it amounts to is a conditional declaration of war against any International Court or Independent Tribunal that attempts to prosecute members of the United States Military or Government. Let’s walk down memory lane for a moment. By July of 1988 in the year preceding the incident the Stark had been hit with a Exocet by Iraqis, the Roberts had hit a Iranian mine, the USN had repeatedly had shooting incidents with Iranian… Read more »
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Put the glue away Elliott
Read the Law and the statements of the Defense and State Departments after it’s passage (by near unanimous vote in Congress). American military personnel are answerable to only the UCMJ and only before US military court for any act committed on duty. The only people eating glue are the ones who think that nuclear powers like either the US, Russia, or even China will ever subordinate their military and legal systems to the ICC. Only countries lacking any semblance of a backbone would.
I don’t need to because i know all that
The glue comment was because you think the US would bomb the Netherlands, it’s a symbolic act and the use of force would never be used. Everyone knows that.
‘The day that happens the US will bomb the tribunal.’
That is an utterly disgraceful assertion. How many years has the world had to listen to US criticisms of imperialism; especially the British. Only to be confronted with the super-arrogance of American exceptionalism. You are contemptable!
I must admit I was hoping he went into more juicy detail of the “bomb The Hague” operation, what aircraft the US would use, where they would come from, or would they just launch a load of cruise missiles at it, or would they even launch an amphibious operation and flatten the tulips on the way.
Fascinating stuff
It is, at best, astonishingly ignorant! How embarrassed must many decent Americans be at that sort of ‘hill-billy’ response to serious issues of international law?
“They are accusing Russia, but where is the evidence? We know the missile that brought down the plane is a Russian type missile, but it could also be made in Ukraine.” “You need strong evidence to show it was fired by the Russians; it could be by the rebels in Ukraine, it could be Ukrainian government because they too have the same missile.” “We may not have the expertise but we can buy the expertise. For some reasons, Malaysia was not allowed to check the black box to see what happened.” “We don’t know why we are excluded from the… Read more »
And I don’t know what is worse, the fact that we actually have to pay for the BBC, our biggest news organisation that has not asked or taken into account any of those facts or questions, or the fact the ignorant masses just sit back and accept and believe it.
Thanks for the above Sole.
Fascinating stuff. Will look into it myself.
You’re welcome mate They are interesting points and a few can be argued against but even then they can’t discredit them totally, like the tragic suicide of the Ukrainian pilot, if you look into that he was accused by someone in the Ukrainian Air Force of admitting to firing an air-to-air missile at the “wrong plane” around the time of MH17, but the guy that accused him defected to Russia not long after! So could of been talking balls and been paid by Russia to say that. But stuff like that along with the other points just goes to prove… Read more »
SS wrote: “like the tragic suicide of the Ukrainian pilot, if you look into that he was accused by someone in the Ukrainian Air Force of admitting to firing an air-to-air missile at the “wrong plane” around the time of MH17, “ That is a falsehood promoted by Russia, the problem is the SU25 is not a fighter jet, its a Close Air support aircraft with a ceiling of 5000 metres. MH17 was flying at 10,000 metres. Also the Ukrainian SU25s are not fitted to carry air to air missiles. Once the JIT debunked that Russian allegation, Moscow then started… Read more »
You’ve done the same thing you did above Farouk, stop missing out parts of your copy and paste.
I pretty much said it was balls after that and the guy that accused him had defected to Russia.
And those smoking guns have also been debunked many times on here and elsewhere.
Yep good point we the ceiling factor as well.
Dave,
I’m a spotter and the information regards the Ukrainian SU 25 was gleaned from the March 2019 copy of Air-forces monthly (The one with a free RAF tornado poster no less)
(They knocked out an article every other month from Nov 2018 regards the worlds SU 25 fleet
***yep, good point with* the ceiling facter as well.
SS wrote: For some reasons, Malaysia was not allowed to check the black box to see what happened.” “ Actually not true, I’ve been following this and here is what is written (in English) on the Dutch government website regards this investigation google Home Topics MH17 incident Achieving justice and establishing the truth click on the dutch gov site which states: The criminal investigation and you will be presented with: A special team, known as the Joint Investigation Team (JIT), was established to conduct the criminal investigation. The JIT comprises officials from the Dutch Public Prosecution Service and the Dutch… Read more »
An official with no expertise is shown findings of the black box, is not really the same as having someone have complete unhindered access to it from the start.
The black box was flown straight to the U.K. wasn’t it and deciphered here.
SS wrote: An official with no expertise is shown findings of the black box, is not really the same as having someone have complete unhindered access to it from the start. I’m sorry are you saying the British investigators lied? FYI The blackboxes were found by Ukrainian rebels, who handed them over to Malaysian officials, who handed them over to the dutch investigators who handed them over to the British SMEs. All a black box does is record information, nothing was found out of the ordinary in fact the last message recored was: “Romeo November Delta Malaysian one seven”, acknowledging… Read more »
No one, as far as i am aware, including Mother Russia, denies that MH17 was shot down by a missile. Therefore i dont think the black box will say much, other than record the instantaneous switch in sensor readings from “all systems normal” to “all systems fooked” when the warhead detonated. Unless of course, whoever fired the missile decided in a Bond villain kind of way to announce over the radio to the pilots of the aircraft that they were about to be shot down, the manner in which they would be shot down, why they were to be shot… Read more »
Unfortunately the internet is making keyboard experts of us all. I am not an air-accident investigator and I don’t think that anyone else has claimed to be so on this HYS. To me the important question is why MAS chose to fly over that part of the Ukraine, when other airlines deemed it too risky? Mistakes happen, especially during conflicts of this nature, where often the left-hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing! The events in Salisbury were a different case entirely. This was a premeditated act of attempted murder. Whether the two suspects carried it out, or… Read more »