We do not believe there will be any impact on the British Armed Forces outside of the European Union.

It would be wise to look at how the United Kingdom stands on its own. The organisation European Geostrategy rate the United Kingdom as a global power, they define this as:

“A country lacking the heft or comprehensive attributes of a superpower, but still with a wide international footprint and [military] means to reach most geopolitical theatres, particularly the Middle East, South-East Asia, East Asia, Africa and South America.”

ukgpThe British Armed Forces comprise the Royal Navy, a blue-water navy with a comprehensive and advanced fleet; the Royal Marines, a highly specialised amphibious light infantry force; the British Army, the UK’s principal land warfare force; and the Royal Air Force, with a diverse operational fleet consisting of modern fixed-wing and rotary aircraft.

The country is a major participant in NATO and other coalition operations and is also party to the Five Power Defence Arrangements. Recent operations have included Afghanistan and Iraq, peacekeeping operations in the Balkans and Cyprus, intervention in Libya and again operations over Iraq and Syria.

Overseas defence facilities are maintained at Ascension Island, Belize, Brunei, Canada, Diego Garcia, the Falkland Islands, Gibraltar, Kenya, Bahrain and Cyprus.

While it is not our intention to enter the referendum debate, many also argue that the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation is more vital to British interests than our defence relationship with the EU. NATO is a security alliance of 28 North American and European states, established by the North Atlantic Treaty in 1949. NATO’s fundamental role is to protect the freedom and security of its member states.

Britain in NATO is pivotal to the alliance. The alliance may be American-led and American-dominated, but Britain remains a vital anchor. Not only are we a fellow nuclear power, we have been the staunchest and closest military ally of the US, in terms of intelligence sharing, battlefield operations and interoperable hardware allowing the whole alliance to benefit.

Douglas Hurd of the Royal Institute for International Affairs said:

“NATO is one of the principal props which have allowed Britain to punch above its weight in the world.”

Under the auspices of NATO, the United Kingdom has been active around the world and has played a leading role in many conflicts.

The UK still retains considerable economic, cultural, military, scientific and political influence internationally. It’s a recognised nuclear weapons state and its defence budget ranks fifth or sixth in the world. The country has been a permanent member of the United Nations Security Council since its inception and has been a member state of the European Union since 1973.

Now with that out of the way, what are the chances of the United Kingdom joining an integrated European military? Well again, I’d say zero.

According to the Conservative manifesto:

“We will continue to ensure that defence policy remains firmly under British national control, maintaining NATO and the trans-Atlantic relationship as the cornerstones of our defence and security policy.”

It should be noted however that the United Kingdom does take part in a wide array of European Union initiatives, one of the most notable is the EU Battle group idea. Arising from the Common Security and Defence Policy, each battle group is based on voluntary contributions from one or two of the unions member states with one nation being the “lead nation”, each of the eighteen battle groups consists of a battalion sized force with support elements. The groups are intended to rotate so that two at least two are ready for deployment. The forces are under the direct control of the Council of the European Union, quite a long shot from a single European military force.

Notably, an initiative the United Kingdom has taken nothing to do with is the ‘European Corps’, often shortened to Eurocorps, it numbers around 1,000 soldiers and is stationed in Strasbourg, France, it was established in May 1992. The corps is not part of any other military organisation and does not belong to any member state.

The force is deployed on the authority of the Common Committee representing the member nations and the Political Director of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. It has been deployed numerous times, participating in peacekeeping missions in Bosnia, Kosovo and Afghanistan among others.

Tory MP Tom Pursglove said last month:

“The British people have no desire for an EU army. We are immensely proud of our Armed Forces and owe all those who serve an enormous debt of gratitude.”

According to Ida Martinez Lunde in a paper detailing British attitudes to the European Union, the British public are sceptical of the EU for a number of reasons:

“To fully comprehend Britain’s view on the European Union today it is necessary to go back to the first steps taken towards a European cooperation. In 1951 there were six found members of the ESCS: Germany, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg and Italy. Britain had an idea for a free trade area in Europe outside the ESCS and founded EFTA together with Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Austria, Switzerland and Portugal. However, only one and half year later Britain applied for a membership in the (by then renamed) EEC.

The sudden change in policy was due to several factors: Initially, the EEC was more successful than first assumed. It made non-membership more dangerous as British exports would have been threatened by an expansion of the EEC. Even though only twelve percent of Britain’s exports were to EEC-countries, this was two per cent more than the export to EFTA members in the 1960’s. Second, Britain’s military and economic strength had been weakened after the Sueze-Crisis and it only proved that Britain was somewhat dependent on American help. John F.Kennedy made it clear that special treatment was out of the question for Britain without EEC membership.”

Lunde concludes:

“The reasons for British scepticism towards the European Union are many. At the very heart of it lies the problem that the EU of today is something completely different from what they signed up for in 1973. In contrast to French or German ideals of an integrated Europe and to some extent a European identity the British have a long tradition of being their own best friend, and are in many ways only part European, both geographically and ideologically. Britain has a history as a major trade power, and as such access to a free market could only be beneficial. EECs evolution towards a union and the treaties Britain has had to commit itself to are becoming questionable in terms of financial benefits. Britain’s main reason for membership in the EU has always been financial. With Brussels demanding ever higher payments and the recent financial and euro crisis, the British people might no longer see a reason to take part in the EU.

It is difficult to determine whether or not Britain benefits from leaving the EU as reports point to both the benefits of membership being high whereas others say they are non-existent. However it will be exciting to see how the situation develops.”

It’s one thing to agree on not having a single European military, indeed as we often argue that is simply not going to happen but it’s quite a different thing for Britain to disengage from European defence policy all together, something that despite the result, I do not see happening.

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Mark Barnett
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It’s a great day for the United Kingdom.

Michael Thomas
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Great news.

Graseton Browne
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No it’s not. You don’t realise what you have done.

Mark Barnett
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Yes I do, I said no to a Nazi state. 🙂

Mark Barnett
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Yes I do, I said no to a Nazi style state. 🙂

Francis Xavier Sowerby Thomas
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Nothing’s going to be radically different – things will overall change slightly for the worse.
And the NHS will disappear up its own arse in under a decade.

Battle Rock
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Not great if your scottish, irish or sensible…

Mick Hewitt
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GDP is expected to stagnate so look out for reduced expenditure on defence coupled with additional commitment to police UK waters.

Del Forsythe
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I’m so glad people have their own damned time machines and can tell us what’s going to happen in the future. No one knows what will happen

Mark Llewellyn
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Battle Rock since when have the Sottish or Irish been sensible?

Mark Llewellyn
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We have taken control of our own
Destiny, so we better not cock It up. Work hard, be proud and don’t sulk. We’ve voted, now let’s get on with it.

Philippe Geril
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Mark Barnett by voting for one, which suddenly is reneging on its campaign promises. EU money will not go to the NHS. It will not invoke Rule 50 to leave the EU and wants to take its time. I thought LEAVE meant LEAVE

Curtis Ross
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Mark Barnett the nazis where a far right group sort of the same as one of the leave groups no?

Glenda Davis
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Best thing for the UK.

Gary John Barber
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No more Brussels dictatorship. Our country. Our laws. Our future. Our way.

Jonny Davies
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Will just mean we have even smaller armed forces when Scotland becomes independent. Yes a great day

Jack William Millen
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“When” Scotland becomes independent they’ll inevitably lose several hundred, if not thousands of jobs due to the dissolution of military shipbuilding and presumed relocation of Trident and the Astute fleets

Jake Hayes
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Yep and our armed forces will be strong.

Jonny Davies
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Jake Hayes how will the uk armed forces be stronger if Scotland become independent? We would lose the Scottish regiments a couple of ships and two RAF squadrons. That what they were predicting in the last Scottish referendum.

Martin Boland
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Also the MoD REALLY doesn’t want to relocate Trident – so they could even bargain that for maintaining rUK shipbuilding on the Clyde (particularly seeing that Ireland could reunite (unlikely, but possible) and the next best base for Trident is NI)

Michael Ralph
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Scotland will not receive any military equipment. It’s called the British armed forces, the Royal Navy will never give up their ships.

Jack William Millen
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Jonny Davies The ships and aircraft wouldn’t be “lost”. Nothing says that they would become Scotland’s property

Jonny Davies
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It’s not upto the Royal Navy whether they give up ships or not it’s the government. Im sure if the UK government wanted to continue using Faslane the Scottish government will get what they want. Phillip Hammond said before the referendum that there would be negotiations on what assets Scotland while get. hope it doesn’t come down to it and Scotland stay but i don’t think it will happen.

Karl Bromley
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FANTASTIC NEWS!!!

Lee Connigale Coppen
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If the snp have their way they will take Scotland out of the UK and into the EU

Jake Hayes
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And shoot themselves in the last foot they have left.

Francis Xavier Sowerby Thomas
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Just want to remind everyone that, if there had been an EU army or major EU military moves, we would probably have been guiding it as one of the EU’s most serious military powers. But nope – we chose to sacrifice our influence to make a point. Nice one lads.

Simon Thornton
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What a truly terrifying thought…

Daz Vallis
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You do realise that the majority of our Armed Forces was against an EU Military don’t you?

Jake Hayes
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I wish we reaming since the economy would not be in a mess as it is in and we wouldn’t be a divided nation but I have come to decided that it can change.

Yasir HS
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And Scotland and Northern Ireland will be decides to leave the UK

Steve
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Steve

A very difficult time. For sure the GDP will take a hit, at least in the short/medium term as companies hold off any investment in the UK whilst they wait for the dust to settle. If Scotland manage to force another vote, then the chances of them leaving is going to be higher than before, just because it will happen in the period where the dust hasn’t settled and the country is in decline. Result is likely to be a real mess for the Navy, since we will have to give at least a couple of major ships to independent… Read more »

Tom Gardner
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Looking forward to a certain future….apparently

Şevki Çilingir
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beginning of the end

John Stevens
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John Stevens

I think the UK has made a bad mistake voting to come out of the EU, but since it has happened we must move on as quickly as possible and over time get the right trade deals and so on…. When it comes to defence, the UK will still be a important player within NATO. If Scotland leaves the UK obviously some military resources will have to go to the Scot’s, but after that it will be up to the Scot’s to finance their defence and buy more equipment, and i should think the remaining UK would have a re-organisation… Read more »

Steve
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Steve

The main question what resources we give them.

If we give them a couple of type 23’s, then fine, we lose a few frigates but they are due to be replaced anyway.

If however, we give them 1 or 2 of our type 45’s or Astute and the navy is destroyed, and won’t be able to escort its carriers and so will be forced to sell one.

John Stevens
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John Stevens

I don’t think we would give Scotland any Type 45’s, more like the type 23’s possibly or they could use large patrol vessels. When it comes to the Astute i don’t think a country the size of Scotland could afford to run large sub’s like the Astute… But also they are nuclear powered sub’s, don’t forget the SNP are totally against having any nuclear powered weapons in the country! Not just the SSBN’S they are anti nuclear anything..

Steven
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Guys I’m Scottish I voted to remain in the UK and voted to leave the EU. I can’t stand the SNP and the loyalty shown to Europe over the UK prosperity, security and loyalty is staggering and sad. I’m actually really scared. Ireland and Scotland should have given time to reflect and comment on result as it seems the Europeans are too turning nasty. I suspect a weakened Westminster will undoubtedly put our security at risk with increased tensions in Calai, Gibraltar and the Falklands. Argentina and Spain will pounce on our vulnerability. And I suspect mass protests all over… Read more »

John Stevens
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John Stevens

I would give it time Steven, things will calm down and then the serious works of negotiating will begin with the EU. I have been encouraged to see Germany wanting to do things in a calm and sensible way, not to rush things and make mistakes, well, according to German chancellor anyway.. I thought it was interesting to see there is talk in Germany of perhaps the EU and the UK could have a special association in the future, even though the UK would not be in the EU anymore, we will see! When it comes to the Falklands we… Read more »

otto R.
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otto R.

Good riddance, England

Steven
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Can’t disagree with what your saying John Stevens but we Scots are a passionate lot and the UK Gov don’t have any cards up thier sleeve to play now nor are any of the reasons the leave camp have are valid and probably never were., like oil revenue? BUT none of that matters as it seems politics of perception have won over fact and sadly I think the threat to UK union is under major threat not only from Scotland but in Wales and Ireland. I’m from East Kilbride , South Lanarkshire I have more in common with someone from… Read more »

Jonny Davies
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