Russian missiles have reportedly killed two people in NATO member Poland, a senior US intelligence official has told the AP news agency.
Volodymyr Zelenskyy, the president of Ukraine, said that Russian missiles had struck Poland and had previously warned that Russia’s actions were not restricted to Ukraine. A strike on NATO territory, he continued, would be a “significant escalation” and “action” would be required.
Tuesday night, the Polish government called an urgent security conference after reports that two persons had been killed by a missile attack in the Polish countryside close to Ukraine. The two victims were reportedly killed close to Przewodów, a village near the Ukrainian border, according to Polish media.
Social media images displayed a damaged farm truck resting on its side near to a sizable crater. According to Polish media, the victims were farm labourers.
Reports of Russian missiles hitting Poland and killing 2 people are extremely concerning, but we must await official information from the government of Poland after their national security community meets.
— Stewart McDonald MP (@StewartMcDonald) November 15, 2022
NATO has said:
“We are looking into these reports and closely co-ordinating with our ally Poland.”
Russia has no interest in targeting Polish farms, so some kind of malfunction seems likely but we’ll bring you more on this as it emerges.
Well it was nice knowing you all
Nonsense. Calm down.
Depends, if Poland triggers article 5 what can we do?
A big if that, Jim, but yes lets see.
Biden would never let them do that. He’s already trying to get Ukraine to give up their ideas on getting back Crimea and the Donbas.
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Not according to Pinocchio, in Kiev. . 16 Nov 2022 The Guardian reported. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy tells reporters that he has ‘no doubt’ that the missile that struck Poland and killed two people was not Ukrainian. He added that he believed Ukraine should have been allowed access to the site of the explosion in eastern Poland. ‘We should be a part of joint investigative groups, shouldn’t we?’ he says during the televised meeting with Ukrainian journalists. NATO’s secretary general Jens Stoltenberg had earlier confirmed that initial analysis suggested the incident was ‘likely caused by a Ukrainian air defence missile… Read more »
Thank you RT public affairs, but as I don’t have television licence, I won’t be watching. By-the-way, as is usually the practice with the anti-Ukraine comments on this blog, you forgot to mention President Zeleneskiyy is a Jew. He got it wrong, a rare misstep; that doesn’t let your boss off the hook.
Barry, you crossed a line. How dare you call me RT public affairs or insinuate Putin is my boss. That’s fighting talk. As for the religion of the Ukrainian President, it is no business of mine or yours for that matter. Wind your neck in that man before it is metaphorically snapped.
I’ll leave it there out of respect for this site. But make no mistake, I’m deeply insulted. NO MORE Geordie OUT!
Stay cool Jonny, the Polish are not stupid and know both sides in this war very well. There are still things to be confirmed.
Was the location being used to support the Ukrainian war effort or not.
Was the strike deliberate or a faulty missile.
Was the missile Russian or not.
I do not trust either side in this “war.”
I don’t trust people who talk out of both sides of their mouths either.
NO MORE!
Seems to have been an Ukrainian s300 missile….
Someone showed something interesting with coordinates on YouTube. If you take the longitude for kyiv and the latitude for lyiv it gives you the coordinates for where the missile hit in Poland. Or something like that. They were suggesting the coordinates for a cruise missile could of been entered incorrectly.
Also the Ukrainian S300 missiles are meant to have a self destruct system in they don’t hit the target.
Obviously this is other people’s speculation.
Oh dear to early yet to really know what happened but if Putin has any sense left in him this must stop now 🙏
Is he making the decisions of what is being fired and locations?
Probably has some hand in it. Or at least he says when attacks can happen.
It takes Russia a couple of days to hit targets after an event they feel warrants a response.
Bridge attack – 2 days later
Kearson lost and Ukrainians crossing the river – 2 days later
That time scale suggests the targets and approval travels far up the chain of command and back down again in mine and others opinion.
It does beg the question with Polands stance on the situation with all the spending increases, equipment it has and it’s vocal awareness of what’s going on, why did they not have the air defences active?!
They clearly have the capability to stop this happening and should be on high alert or am I missing something?
Air defence is one thing. Anti missile defence is another.
Surely they would be prepared for either eventuality?
But if it’s debris from an s300 or an errant s300 from Ukraine how quickly can you intercept it? It went down close to the border. Guessing air defence are near airfields etc and not right on the border. A fair question if launched from Belarus of course
Poland has plenty of anti aircraft missiles, not sure that they have anti missile missiles……
Are we? Nope!
Extension of NATO air defence umbrella couple of hundred miles in to Ukraine seems reasonable.
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Not going to happen but Awacs could keep an eye over the border which I’m sure they already are. You can’t give 100% blanket cover anyway.
Appropriate response to war spilling onto NATO territory might be a warning that NATO might feel it apropriate to take action to reduce the likehood of it happening again.
If this was a Russian munition, then it was almost certainly a accident. Although it is worth noting it could also have been a rough Ukraine air defence munition.
Wayne a relation?
Yes.
Say hello to Poo Poo for me. It’s J Gale 😉
Will do.
Some reports that it was actually a Russian cruise missile and a Ukrainian S 300 interceptor, seems the area hit is a bit of a “bulge” in the border between Poland and Ukraine, might have been targeted for Ukraine and missed/shot down.
If so, surely the onus is on Russia, not to fire into these areas to avoid this type of problem arising?
Brown trousers time.
Seems “only” a blast. No fragmentation to be seen, rubber tires intact or lightly damaged.
Don’t seem to be an warhead explosion.
What happens over the next few hours, could impact on NATO, Russia and the whole of Europe.
If it is confirmed that Russian Missiles did in fact strike Poland, NATO must act, as to do otherwise, will send a clear message to Russia (as if it already needs it) that they can do whatever they like in Europe, with impunity.
It will also sound the death knell of NATO, as well as any other global military alliances. grim times.
Level heads needed. If it was Russian then it’s almost certainly a mistake. Intention is everything. They’d have nothing to gain by deliberately firing at Poland.
the best response would be NATO gifting Ukraine with more weapons, including lots of anti aircraft systems. Also move some closer to the Polish border.
I agree Rob but there are the “behind closed doors” negotiations in Turkey to consider. Between the CIA head and his counterpart in the overseas section of the FSB. A little added incentive to start peace talks before this gets out of control. Is certainly not a bad thing for the Russians right now. The next wayward missile straying into NATO territory. Could randomly hit something more important than a farm. Leading to … What do they call that place in Israel again? Are yes, Armageddon. It really is an awful situation, when neither side or for that matter any… Read more »
Er…uh…I might choose the path of demanding a come to Jesus mtg. w/ my MP to have a heartfelt discussion re a TEN year timeline to a viable GBAD system! Pols don’t enjoy listening to enraged constituents; as a matter of fact they usually attempt to find someone else to vent on, and thus the chain continues. Eventually, the morons occupying No.10 and No.11 receive the message 5 by 5. As if by magic, GBAD developed/acquired, tested and deployed. 🤔
I’m inclined to agree however NATO bombed a Chinese embassy without going to war. Russia needs to clearly state it’s an accident and offer compensation. If they don’t I do not see how NATO does not escalate it. All power is in Poland hands at the moment. Hopefully they use it wisely.
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except of course now it appears ukraine hit poland. Does that mean Nato needs to act against Ukraine? after all they are both non Nato members
Keep calm and carry on is the order of the day. I imagine ‘channels’ are working overtime to keep this incident in perspective.
except of course now it appears ukraine hit poland. Does that mean Nato needs to act against Ukraine? after all they are both non Nato members
Here’s a handy list of all the times so far the Ukrainians have attacked Nato Members 🙂 1. March 2 – Ukrainian S-300 air defense system destroyed a Romanian MiG-21 fighter. The pilot is dead. 2. March 2 – Ukrainian air defense shot down a Romanian military transport helicopter Mi-8, which flew out to look for a MiG-21 fighter shot down by Ukraine. 3. March 3 – Estonian bulk carrier Helt was blown up by a Ukrainian naval mine off the coast of Odessa. Four people are missing. 4. March 10 – Ukrainian UAV Tu-141 “Swift” attacked Zagreb. Luckily, no… Read more »
Lol good one 🥱
OMG the Romanian mig 21 and puma were an accident. Your reading to much Russian propaganda. Nothing to do with Ukraine. The Romanian government said it was nothing to do with Ukraine.
https://www.stopfake.org/en/fake-ukrainian-air-defense-shot-down-romanian-mig-21/
That is just one website out of a host of others that go against what you wrote. By putting in fake facts it brings anything you write into question.
Hmmm yeah, any old twat can create a website – you believe your fake news. Remember right back at the start of this war, Biden admitted the US has an entire department whose job is keep producing “disinformation” (fake news is the current term we use for this). LOL.
Two crashes one after another right next to trigger happy Nazis after a Russian attack!! Definitely an accident.
Oh please enlighten us with your sources.
Have you looked at a map of where they crashed and where it is in relation to Ukraine? Why would Ukraine be expecting a Russian attack coming from Romanian airspace? The radars would not be pointing that way and the area of interest would not be romania.
The terrible weather that day heavy snow and that the helicopter pilot reported weather was bad during the search and was ordered to return to base means nothing in your eyes. Contact was lost after that order.
Anyway I await your sources.
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I have seen none of this in the Press. Are you sure about all this?
Why would this spell the death knell of NATO? You expect that NATO would lose in a war against Russia?
Strong military alliances have never been needed as much as today.
If true article 4 will surely be called and I’d suspect there will be an escalation of weapon systems to Ukraine perhaps f16s or more long range rocket systems
Guessing it might prove to be slightly difficult to announce UK defense cutbacks on Thursday, given the potential current circumstances, if proven. Sunak/Hunt may need top hats, canes and dancing shoes to perform that soft shoe dance.
Any talk of anything other than significant defence spending increases is likely to be seen as utter folly by even the dumbest of the electorate and trust me on this the UK electorate are truly dumb and ignorant on defence matters. I think maybe Jam today with promise of cake tomorrow. So a small increase this year and next with a promise of working towards 3% GDP to defence ratio by sometime in the distant enough future not to trouble Sunak and Hunt.
If Sunak & Hunt do an over austere budget, I guess the UK will need a new PM & Chancellor by Christmas.
Never underestimate the Tory’s willingness to announce cuts dressed up as budget increases. These are the same guys that were calling for balanced budgets in 1937 and selling the Nazis airplane engines at the same time.
Not forgetting it was labour who gave away the jet engines to the Soviets after the end of World War Two, thus giving them a massive leap forward in technology….
But they were Allie’s
Lol Jim we were never allies in the tire sense, in the war, just thrust together to fight the most obvious current enemy, Germany! Ask Poland in 39 when Russia attacked from the East in a pact with the Nazis. Churchill never trusted Stalin, it was just useful after Hitler invaded with Barbarossa as the Russians could wear down the Nazis and it took the pressure of the Western allies for sure. Cheers mate.
Churchill was not an ally for sure but labour was attempting to maintain the ww2 alliance in 1945 and 1946. Did not work but was worth a try.
They never were allies were they other than my enemies enemy is my friend of course. I don’t think selling the jet engnes (from the Lightening?) was ever worth a try & has always smacked of something more subversive to me.I’m pretty sure the Yanks never forgave us for the reverse engineering that produced the mig.
It was the RR Nene from the Supermarine Attacker and Hawker Sea Hawk.
Also worth remembering this was after the Atomic Energy Act was signed into law freezing the UK out the joint nuclear program.
I think that we should confiscate $25m from frozen Russian funds to give to the relatives of those killed and $500m to buy additional air defence systems for Poland. That should make the Orcs more careful about their targeting.
I’d do this even if it was found to be a Ukrainian missile as the Ukrainians wouldn’t be needing to launch SAM’s if the Russian’s weren’t attacking them.
I’d give the rest of Russia’s siezed assets to Ukrainian to rebuild their country.
Splendid idea, but oh, by the way, carve out XYB£ for GBAD for UK homeland! 🤔😳
Hard to see which parts of the UK should get GBAD cover. It would cost a fortune, even if partial. Does the US homeland have full or partial GBAD cover?
Believe $300B of frozen Russian assets collectively controlled by the allies. That should buy some coverage. 🤔
US has a limited ABM system, which will mature over time. Probably more importantly, 5000+ nukes and the ability to deliver in 30 mins. or less; at least as timely a delivery system as the pizza chains.
I had thought that nato should have air defence right up to border and shoot anything heading that way but what about if Ukraine has something flying in the area. Also it’s a big task to try and cover the whole border.
It may be an accident but this is still an attack on a nato Country. It is really up to Poland what happens next. I think that’s how nato works? The country needing help has to ask for support via article 5 or something like that.
Backchannels hopefully at work as we speak.
Knee jerk retaliation is not helpful and people need to calm down while It is investigated.
That airspace is heavily surveyed so the origin shouldn’t be hard to establish.
If Russia hits a NATO air base it is a different matter and retaliation would be desired.
It hasn’t.
I’m praying for the back channels as well but given the caliber of Russian “leadership” I’m doubting they exist. Turkey maybe but really don’t want to put the fate of the world in the hands of a man like Erdogan.
Thank f**k Trump not around.
CIA chief met FSB chief yesterday. They do exist.
The CIA Director Bill Burns met with his Russian intelligence counterpart, Sergey Naryshkin, in Ankara on Monday primarily on how to avoid nuclear escalation in Ukraine.
I’m sure this incident will also be discussed, either by them or others. Back channels always exist.
You are almost certainly right. Back channels will be working overtime on both sides to contain this as an ‘incident’.
Once the facts are established we will see what happens. Probably nothing. Russia should be cautious and not hit targets within a certain distance from the border.
You cant run an air defence on a boarder like that especially with low flying cruise missiles. To defend Poland the umbrella would need to be extended well inside Ukraine.
Perhaps that is the answer, NATO policing Ukranian airspace.
Really? That’s a step closer to upsetting Putin even more and also illegal.
It’s not illegal if Ukraine gives NATO permission.
Duck putin. If he gets upset that’s his problem, not the rest of the worlds. You can’t invade a friendly country and expect there not to be any issues.
Another problem with a no fly zone is it involves taking out all the air-defence systems that can target the area of the no fly zone. Also Ukraine couldn’t use there aircraft and air defence systems in the area of a no fly zone without some complicated system being in place for corridors to fly in etc etc.
Absolutely 100%
Yeah that’s the point. It extends into Ukraine for 1-20 miles or whatever the distance that is needed. If a missile is heading for Poland and hasn’t hit its target by 10 miles before the border they can assume it’s faulty and shoot it. It’s not a massive distance in the scale of the warfare. Especially since the fighting in 100s of miles away from the border.
Pootin has already said that it is a provocation by Warsaw as NO Orcs missiles where any where near Polish airspace despite multiple strikes on Lviv not far from the border!
He would.
They’re probably covering up their own incompetence.
What does Russia gain getting NATO more involved than it is already? They cannot even handle Ukraine.
A little more info:
Hmmm.
If Russian there needs to be intent, and I see no reason why they would want to hit a village deliberately.
If Ukrainian, and maybe it was after they fired at the latest attacks, they will blame Russia as they want the west involved more and we need to resist that too.
Let’s not forget that Russian has been repurposing anti-shipping and air-defence missiles for use against targets in Ukraine. So if it is an S300 it doesn’t mean it’s a Ukrainian missile.
Range? I think not in both cases and crater is relatively small.
Tend to agree.These things are not unexpected. It’s not like the border is a 10km high wall. Anything fired at an air target or even a surface target on the crest of a hill can go a considerable way if it doesn’t hit the intended target.
That the issue, only solution is for a Russian apology as US did over Chinese embassy but the Orcs just double down on conspiracy theories.
Alright, time to expose my ignorance once again; Article 4 specifically states what precisely? Emergency consultations? Turn over the tank engines? Load the bombers? Enter the target coordinates on the nukes?
No, Formers. It means a sit down. One incident like this is not going to change anything much.
Condolences to the bereaved.
BL, Agreed, thanks.
Wolf has it right.
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Looking at the photos of the missile fragments they look to be S300s. We would have known the origin of the launch and flight directory. Where these shot down by air defence units in Poland? Was it intentional on the part of the Russians? To early to tell, my opinion is intensive efforts will be going on behind the scenes to calm the situation and not escalate and will probably see a joint statement by the Russians and NATO.
That is to be expected. I don’t believe this is to be deliberate, an investigation will reveal exactly what has occurred.
Agree an article 4 activation is inevitable. It will trigger a flurry of NATO responses diplomatically and possibly militarily to reassure and further strengthen NATO forces in eastern Europe and the Baltic states.
Russia will likely get a severe ticking off and a warning next time you hit a NATO country either deliberately or by mistake we go in and take the missile launchers away from you.
The article says Poland is ‘verifying’ if article 4 is to be activated. And is raising the readiness of military units. Doesn’t mean war is going to start, especially if they decide its a Russian missile that has malfunctioned, and not a deliberate attack on a Polish target.
Interesting times, glad we don’t live anywhere near Mad Vlad the Impaler’s Russian dictatorship. Still this is what happens when you fire off S300/S400 series SAMs and try to use them as a substitute cruise missile. They are not precision guided weapons and therefore you will get misfires and rounds coming down in a broadly 20-30 mile radius. Telegraph is reporting a NATO source stating Russia is down to just 180 Iskander cruise missiles having fired off 80% of its stockpile at Ukraine- meaning 720 Iskanders have been fired at Ukraine already. NATO response- difficult. I’d think a calm calculated… Read more »
the S300 has a range of less than 100 miles according to Wikipedia, so Not really knowing the geography of the area is it possible for a Russian fired S300 (excluding Kalingrad) to actually reach the polish border?
Belarus perhaps?
A source that I heard estimated only 120 Iskanders and only one month’s worth of artillery shells.
I suspect Russia will continue their ‘deny all’ policy, even when caught red-handed, which guarantees a harsher response than if they admitted a blunder.
Yes but article 4 is really only a call to heighten awareness and for NATO representatives to discuss a security concern from one member. It has been activated 8 times since NATO’s inception. Mostly by Turkey.
Do not forget what else is happening in the world that could be influenced by this attack and initiating article 4.
G20 and President Trump announcing his intention to stand for election in 2024.
Wondering whether it might be an opportune time to invest in defense issues, specifically those dealing in missile technology, or whether timeliness has already past. Every manufacturer at this point will be showered w/ gold from the pot at the end of the rainbow. 🤔
…passed…🙄
Investing in BAE Systems is probably the timely thing to do. The free world needs the cash.
I honestly cannot see the people pulling biden’s strings, spending US taxpayers money on anything other than the so called new green deal. With a nice big bowl of “flied lice” on the side, for the puppeteers. You get me cousin.
Poland has called an article 4 NATO meeting in the morning.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/nato-meet-wednesday-request-poland-consultations-diplomats-2022-11-15/
Wouldn’t be surprised if the USS Gerald R Ford is diverted to join the USS George Bush in the Adriatic.
I think you will find she will be moving Northwards on exercises as has the QE. Russia is not a major threat in the Med, but it is in the Baltic and Far North.
You need to remember that during the Cold War the prime NATO targets were the Russian Bastions where their SSBN’s are located.
Putin can’t lose power in Russia if he does lose power the Russian people will hang him .
I think it’s safe to say this will not trigger article 5. After all Russia has effectively aready in the last 16 years purposefully undertaken attacks on U.K. soil twice. once with a radiologic weapon and the second time with a nerve agent, with the nerve agent striking fear into a U.K. city, costing the taxpayer a small fortune, causing catastrophe harm to a serving policeman and killing Dawn Sturgess, a British citizen, innocent in all regards, murdered by the Russian state in a U.K. town from the indiscriminate use of a deadly nerve agent. In reality if that premeditated… Read more »
Was this a stray missile or were these two people on a farm deliberately targeted?
It’s a silly yet very important question to be discussed if article 4 is triggered.
Also, I’ll wait to see smoking fragments of a Russian missile before accepting this on face value. I’ve said many times. Both Russia and Ukraine are not above doing something and then blaming the other side. The roots of both nations are deeply embedded in their communist past. With all the implied negative connotations.
Lavrov has already denied this. Much of the world will believe him. Tomorrow they will demand western aid.
If the missile was faulty then fair enough but if not night night putin ,
This can’t be considered a concerted attack on a NATO member so article 5 can’t really be enacted over a single missile. There must be a response though. Perhaps deploy NATO air defence systems onto Ukraine soil along the trajectory of the missile that hit Poland.
What happens when a Russian missile deliberately or erroneously hits a NATO air defence unit on the ground in Ukraine, killing NATO servicemen? How should NATO respond to that? Another thought is a NATO air-policing mission over Ukraine. But how effective are jets in taking out cruise missiles? Better would be taking out the Russian aircraft that carry air-launched cruise missiles, but that is further escalation, killing Russians. As Russian bombers don’t dare to cross the border into Ukraine now, it would also see NATO violating Russian air-space. There needs to be a response, but identifying one that will not… Read more »
Because the servicemen would be in non-NATO territory it couldn’t be regarded as an attack on NATO. I doubt it would lead to escalation. We’re not unaccustomed to losing servicemen on deployments.
If Putin couldn’t resist attacking them it would redirect resources away from his attack on Ukraine, taking some of the heat off them. I’m also guessing any system Putin targets would likely be successful in defending itself and the airspace allocated to it.
A no-fly zone is out of the question. It would require engaging aircraft deep within Russian territory. That definitely would be escalation.
Your assertion is wrong. If a NATO member lost servicemen on a NATO led mission in Ukraine it would expect a military response from the alliance. It would be up to the Atlantic Council to decide whether Article V applied or not. Even if NATO shrugged its shoulders, the nation concerned would feel obliged to take direct action against Russia. If not it’s political leaders are looking at a shortened career. Losing servicemen on deployments and having them deliberately killed by a foreign power are two completely different things. I don’t think we should sacrifice the lives of British servicemen… Read more »
The response would be tailored to the situation as it was when they lost NATO servicemen in Libyan and Afghan deployments. I don’t know if any losses have happened in Syria yet.
A no-fly zone actively defends airspace. It’s not like deploying a few SAM instalments and reacting to incoming missiles. There’s some good commentary on this issue by Sandboxx on YT … Why a no-fly zone won’t work over Ukraine – https://youtu.be/b-ZTy9l7kv0
An expected and planned for consequence of a next door war! Methinks it will be dealt with in a mature and grown up way, as nobody wants an escalation at this time. Poland will make the right noises, as will NATO, but, Poland still needs about 3 years to be fully re-equipped and trained on its new platforms and systems, likewise with NATO. And no politicians want to escalate with the current economic political crisis going on. Besides, not even sure who was responsible, deliberately done, unlikely, mistake, almost certainly. Let’s watch and not shoot 👍
This is crazy. Some are saying this was a Ukrainian S-300 missile, but the coordinates of the missile strike lineup with the latitude of Kyiv and longitude of Lviv. Both of witch were targeted in the attack, meaning it’s a high probability that Russians mixed up the coordinates, striking Poland.
Russia delenda est
The Poles invoke Article 4 – and not Article 5. Very sensible of them. The wreckage looks like a Russian-made S300 anti-air missile. It was probably fired by the Ukraine at incoming missiles during yesterday’s Russian bombardment
As Private (Capt.) Frazer might say, incomitance & inefficiency, maybe even corruption.
someone needs to own this ‘mistake’ hopefully there will be some nato intelligence which will shed light
As the good old USA coins the fraise, ‘Friendly fire’, happens and munitions go off on their own direction from time to time. I feel for the families concerned really.
Without starting WW3, NATO should still up radar/signals intel on the Polish border, so it can better track any incoming rounds. Perhaps some top range SAM? Ask Zelensky to agree to a 10km safe haven zone in Ukraine bordering Poland, so any unidentified missile or aircraft, can be engaged by NATO if it gets within 10km of Poland.
Get your point on the AEZ but then the Baltic states will want the same.
They are not under military attack.
There needs to be an AEZ across Ukraine.
Russia is on the naughty step and needs to be told to sit down.
The timid members of NATO would not agree to that. A baby step of 10km, maybe.
This could mean war😂
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We’re not going to war with Russia, Article 4 is fine.
However, wait for the 1st Ukrainian F16 fighter and 2nd F15 Strike Eagle bomb truck Squadrons to be announced. That’s a minimum.
NATO air defence / no fly zone is to be wished for over The Ukraine – maximum.
And those F15s will reach into Russia! That restriction will be off the table: open season on the orcs.
Most likely an accident, possibly deflected off course by AA / ECM?, IMHO it is not enough to trigger article 5.
Nothing much will happen. If Russia were making a move on NATO we would have known about it ages ago. Ukraine should shut up and appologise if it is found that one of their missiles accidentally strayed across the boarder but NATO is quite capable of deciding what happened and any suitable response (if appropriate). I’m guessing if it was a Russian mistake the general is already standing by the window waiting for a push. Russia, from what I’ve seen, is not looking for conflict with the west.
Ukrainian SAM fired at incoming Russian missile but missed is most likely cause.
One outcome could be Poland suggests needs air defences that take out anything with x miles of the border. It can’t wait for missiles to cross the boarder as its too late. It can’t rely on Ukraine to hit everything Russia sends or risk Ukraine missiles try to hit Russian missiles landing on its soil. So could argue it must take it defence into its own hands. Of course that would in effect create a no fly zone close to Poland.
This is already being done to an extent – Rzeszow Airport in Poland is the major supply hub for equipment going into Ukraine and has a Patriot detachment in situ.
Unfortunately a hit onto non combating country was certainly going to happen. The only surprise to me, It didn’t happen earlier!.
I believe a similar missile fired from Syria at an Israeli air target, missed, flew over Lebanon & hit Cyprus. It’s going to happen. Two people died in Poland because it missed. How many died in Ukraine because it missed?
This headline needs changing, let’s keep things factual. We’d be all over Russia if they were misreporting something.
Obviously the Polish know what would happen if they had let Ukrainian former KGB “investigators” access to the missile strike wreckage site. Pieces of a Russian missile would suddenly appear, as if by magic. Accompanied by a hand written note from evil Putin, admitting he killed two farmers deliberately because they were fascists. Bringing NATO into their war. Turning it into WWIII. In todays Guardian, not that I ever take that leftist rag seriously. But they often have a way of reporting the truth according to Pinocchio and the sheeple. Even those Marxists seem to be pushing for the chaos… Read more »
Here is a suppose scenario,
Kyiv coordinate’s
50.4501N-30.5234E
Lviv
49.842957N-24.031E
Now what happens if your Orc inputs the coordinates wrong in his computer?
Impact on Poland
50.4501N -24031E
A bit of a coincidence??
All things are possible but some are unlikely. Do you remember Iraqi scud missile attacks on Israel back in 1991. Much damage was caused by Patriot missile debris and fragments of scud being knocked off trajectory. Including deaths of Israeli civilians. If that is what happened here, it would not be the first time or the last. I assume NATO have installed sophisticated land and air based detection/tracking systems in that part of the world. There will already be a good idea of exactly what was fired, where and by whom. It’s all down to the physical evidence on the… Read more »
The only way I can see that happening is IF Pootin really does lose the plot than he already has and really does attack NATO! Then all bets are off! Peace keeping would really have to done by non NATO members through the UN.
Agreed. You have a good day.
Rather than an out of control AD missile, did Ukraine fire it intentionally into an underpopulated part of Poland to increase NATO support? Would they have got away with it if those missile pictures hadn’t been published on Twitter? “A Polish politician has blamed Ukraine for causing a “provocation” by falsely claiming its own missile that struck Przewodow had been fired by Russia.” https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/polish-politician-blasts-ukraine-missile-provocation The 5V55K is an old (1978/82) for the S-300 air defense system that the Ukraine is using against Russian cruise missiles. Its nominal range in air defense mode is 75 kilometer. Przewodow in Poland where the… Read more »
😂 Russia likes false flag operations but they fool nobody. Just go home and stop this nonsense ‘special operation’. Then maybe Russia might begin to rebuild it’s status in the world.
Yes well we all know why there are any rockets in the air don’t we?still nice to see your handlers are finding more for you to post👍
FFS you cannot stop yourself can you! Ukraine does not need to fire old and outdated missiles into Poland to increase NATO support! They have that, both morally and physically, for as long as it takes to stop your fav head Nazi nonce Pooptin from continuing an illegal invasion of a sovereign nation! I see your claimed up and coming appointment at the Churchill hasn’t stopped your efforts at making excuses for your Jimmy Saville mates in the Russian mil and their inexcusable behaviour in Ukraine! Muppet!
I don’t trust anything that NATO says regarding this. They will lie just so they don’t have to get involved in this War more than just financing it.
Ukraine don’t need any further assistence on the ground – indeed NATO would probably just get in the way. Kit etc? Yes sure they need help & will continue to get it.
After reading many of the ‘observations’ here, I am starting to wonder whether russian missile systems have no guidance capability at all, other than an operator crying out “Fore” (or whatever the russian equivalent is) every time a missile is launched.
Not certain where to report this news item: H.I. Sutton has posted on navalbews.com that the Ukrainians have probably successfully attacked an oil terminal at Novorossiysk w/ a maritime drone either night of Nov 16th-17th or the 18th, at a distance of 675 in. from Odessa. Believe they should become honorary members of the SAS, ‘Those who dare, win.’
…675 km….🙄
…navalnews.com…