The Ministry of Defence has published a tender notice for the procurement and introduction into service of 36 harbour support vessels, including tug boats.

The contract, according to the tender notice, encompasses two critical elements: the support to ‘In-Port Marine Services’; and the delivery of a vessel replacement programme.

The services will be provided principally across HM Naval Bases at the Clyde, Devonport, Portsmouth, but also Glen Mallan, Loch Ewe, Loch Striven, and Campbeltown, and other areas in UK waters.

“Operation and maintenance of 82 UK Ministry of Defence owned vessels used for the provision of the services, under a Government Owned Contractor Operated (GOCO) agreement, ensuring availability of services on a 24/7/365 basis.

The specification for the services will include the following:

• Towage services to entitled vessels.
• HM Dockyard movements covered by duty & standby service.
• Passenger transportation.
• Stores & liquid transportation.
• Transport & store munitions.
• Waste services alongside, at anchor / mooring buoy.
• Tiers 1 & 2 Dockyard pollution response.
• Support military training, exercises, trials and operations (SMTE)
• Support to Emergencies.
• Additional maritime support

Delivery of a vessel replacement programme to the Royal Navy, for the procurement and introduction into service of, 36 Commercial off the Shelf (COTS) vessels (32 replacements and 4 new requirement vessels) on behalf of the UK MoD. Built and maintained to UK Flag and Class classification standards and introduced into service in accordance with an agreed Integrated Test Evaluation and Acceptance Plan. Responsibility for the identification of shipyard(s) that best meet the requirement in respect of design, delivery time and Value for Money (VfM). Disposal of redundant vessels will be the responsibility of the Defence Equipment Sales Authority (DESA).”

In addition to the vessels, the MoD will supply GFA for the provision of the Contract, including:

• spares and specialist equipment,
• oil pollution and control equipment,
MoD owned intellectual property,
• occupation and use of Authority facilities/property (admin / workshops will be subject to separate leasing arrangements with the Defence Infrastructure Organisation (DIO),
• fuel for the vessels.

Earlier in the year, I reported that the Royal Navy was to take control naval base support fleets. The refreshed National Shipbuilding Strategy has set out Britain’s shipbuilding plans.

Royal Navy to take control naval base support fleets

According to the document:

“In December 2022, the Royal Navy will take ownership of a fleet of vessels which currently provide In-Port towage, transportation of passengers, and harbour movements of commodities such as stores, ammunition, waste, fuel and other liquids for the UK Naval Bases in Devonport, Faslane and Portsmouth.

An estimated 37 vessels from the current fleet will require replacing from 2025 to ensure these critical services continue to be provided safely and effectively to the Royal Navy.

The vessels will be Government owned but contractor operated. Subject to approved funding, the replacement vessels will be purchased on behalf of the MOD, with it being the responsibility of the contractor to identify the shipyard(s) that best meet the requirement in respect of design, delivery time, and value for money.”

According to a Government statement:

“First published in 2017, the National Shipbuilding Strategy outlined ambitions to transform naval procurement, securing export and design contracts for British naval ships. Building on that success, this refresh outlines the government’s further ambitions to reinvigorate the whole British shipbuilding industry.

Over £4 billion of government investment will galvanise and support shipyards and suppliers across the UK, with new measures including better access to finance, vital skills-building, and funding for crucial research and development into greener vessels and infrastructure.

Designed in partnership with industry and delivered by the recently formed National Shipbuilding Office (NSO), the National Shipbuilding Strategy Refresh will also deliver a pipeline of more than 150 new naval and civil vessels for the UK Government and Devolved Administrations over the next 30 years. The vessels will include large warships, Border Force cutters, lighthouse vessels and the new National Flagship.”

You can view the document here.

George has a degree in Cyber Security from Glasgow Caledonian University and has a keen interest in naval and cyber security matters and has appeared on national radio and television to discuss current events. He also works for the NHS. George is on Twitter at @geoallison
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expat
expat
10 days ago

I guess there’s no COTS vessels of UK origin? Perhaps an opportunity to build some under license and maximise UK equipment content.

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
10 days ago
Reply to  expat

I don’t know to be honest. I found the bit saying the contractor will pick the replacement vessels. Is that a good idea? So government pay and contractor gets to cosy up to ship yards. Perhaps this is the standard way of doing things. I really don’t know.
Was this always the plan when the ships were given to contractors, that they would run them and when needed replacements the government take ownership and pay for the new ones?

Deep32
Deep32
9 days ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

I believe that Damen might well be in the running to supply some/all of these vessels?

James McParland
James McParland
7 days ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

It means the proper equipment for the job will be sourced by the people who have to operate it. Rather than useless equipment being thrust upon the poor souls who have to try and make do. Believe me! Historically the MOD have procured some really overly expensive useless shit.

ChariotRider
ChariotRider
10 days ago
Reply to  expat

COTS could include existing designs. A trucking company orders a bunch of new trucks it is likely that at least some will need to roll down the production line. The navy has been buying work boats for the autonomous vessel trials and the crew transfer boats as deployed on the carriers so we know that sort of thing is already designed and are appropriate for passenger roles. Also, H&W Appledore in Devon have small and medium commercial vessel experience, including at least one tug (Wikipedia) and dredgers so I would be surprised if H&F are not in the hunt for… Read more »

grizzler
grizzler
10 days ago
Reply to  ChariotRider

funny name for a tug…

ChariotRider
ChariotRider
9 days ago
Reply to  grizzler

DOH! 😀

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins
10 days ago

Where’s the money coming from Nigel to pay for it? Where’s the money going!

“Rishi Sunak has been accused of failing to act soon enough to save £11bn of taxpayers’ money that has been used to pay interest on government debt.

The National Institute of Economic and Social Research (NIESR) said the losses stemmed from the chancellor’s failure to insure against interest rate rises.
It meant higher than necessary payments on £900bn of reserves created through the quantitative easing (QE) programme.

The Treasury said it was the Bank of England’s role to decide QE measures.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61754394

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
10 days ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

Meanwhile I saw joe Biden says he’s wiped something like 700b in first year off the USA deficit and on track for over a $1 trillion in the next. Is the U.K. performing badly compared to the world or is the USA just doing better than most just now?

Zach
Zach
10 days ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

I wouldn’t trust Joe Biden to tell me the time nevermind tell the truth on the economy.

grizzler
grizzler
10 days ago
Reply to  Zach

surely its always bed time for Biden…

Gavin Gordon
Gavin Gordon
9 days ago
Reply to  Zach

Not an answer

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
9 days ago
Reply to  Zach

Every time I’ve seen joe Biden he has been well spoken and made a lot of sense. Yes he had the odd gaff but I prefer that, it shows he’s human. Should see the amount of times I get words muddled up in a week. Anyway what he said about the deficit is easy to check. He’s not a trump that just blurts out whatever he thinks is right. I get some people don’t like certain politicians and that’s fine. For instance I think boris Johnston is a proven liar and just says what he thinks people want to hear.… Read more »

expat
expat
10 days ago
Reply to  Nicholas

So if the articles true then countries could just borrow indefinitely and there would be no poverty. I’m afraid its not the case never has been. Countries who just print cash effective end up with rampant inflation and higher levels of poverty, that been seen many times around the globe.

Nicholas
Nicholas
10 days ago
Reply to  expat

No, as a minimum you would need your own currency and central bank. Anyone with the euro would be out. And there are other constraints regarding employment and demand. I’m no expert.

Expat
Expat
10 days ago
Reply to  Nicholas

Nicholas. You have to some extent think of money as a commodity, the more you print the lower its value. Whilst money can circulate within the UK you have to pay for imports like oil and gas for instance they’re globally priced. The reason we have high petrol prices is not because oil is at an all time high but oil is high and the pound is low, this is driving inflation. Previously our currency was at $2/£ when oil was high its now $1.24/£. During the pandemic we got away with borrowing for 2 reasons firstly everyone else was… Read more »

Pacman27
Pacman27
9 days ago
Reply to  Expat

Key reason why the uk should dispense with fossil fuels and move to a tidal and nuclear power driven economy. You could see this current crisis coming 25 years ago after all oil is what the gulf war was about. we have great companies on the uk that can make us self sufficient in small scale salt matrox nuclear that will also produce hydrogen and I would put them out into the North Sea so they can produce water during quiet periods and use the rigs we have already. Not really needed, but takes away a lot of planning concerns… Read more »

Expat
Expat
9 days ago
Reply to  Pacman27

Would incline to agree. Those victorian were largely industrialists and capitalist. The big ideas were required to get materials and goods to market.

However we still need economic credibility as oil and gas is only one import. We’ve always been an open trading nation I don’t see that changing and must be underpinned by a stable currency.

Pacman27
Pacman27
9 days ago
Reply to  Expat

Agreed but I do think we are missing some obvious quick wins, such as making every lamppost a charging station and 5G repeater, after all we have electric plumbed almost everywhere. Same with one web, it’s a must, but we’ve already started selling our share off when we should be going all in…

stability is key for everything but the government has to get new revenue streams going, utilities are the place to do that, then they can control,a lot of the inflation currently occurring but make money in good times.

Expat
Expat
9 days ago
Reply to  Pacman27

Yes. Thats the point of the model we have its actually capitalism socialist. The idea should be capitalism generates value and therefore money. Part of that is taxed and reinvested in the economy with infrastructure being an obvious area that actually give a return on that money through productivity improvement. You need to have balanced taxation ie it needs to be worthwhile to be a capitalist (that’s made more complicated by other countries competing for investment and value creation) and businesses need to invest in RnD etc otherwise they’ll die as they become uncompetitive and die ending a revenue stream… Read more »

Expat
Expat
9 days ago
Reply to  Pacman27

I’ll add I’m not suggesting removing unions they just need to be better aligned to the end game and not political, they need to focus on long term prosperity.

Pacman27
Pacman27
9 days ago
Reply to  Expat

I believe in unions, but as you say they have not moved with the times. Certainly at me point unions held large pension pots and they should have used those to benefit their members and they didn’t. I don’t trust HMG to manage anything tbh. But I do think a sovereign wealth fund and a model where HMG provides the base infra product and service companies the service is the way to go. The devil is in the detail here and the agreements etc have to be very good. In this context I think we already do a good job… Read more »

Expat
Expat
9 days ago
Reply to  Pacman27

I like the sovereign wealth fund idea. It could be set parameters to operate within like productivity, investment returns, social benefit. Then left to manage within the parameters without intervention from the government of the day. Incidentally I think defence should be rum in the same way long term within a set of parameters.

Pacman27
Pacman27
9 days ago
Reply to  Expat

We used to have golden share in companies, but played too straight a bat with the EU and gave them up. I believe partnerships with a veto is the way to go, as it really needs to be something massive to use the veto if the day to day governance is right. Align to strategic goals and theres a whole slew of British companies that would benefit starting with ARM and the microchip factory in wales. we already have the beginnings of this with bbc, C4, Sheffield forge masters, One Web, some banks etc… time to formalise get some dividends… Read more »

Expat
Expat
8 days ago
Reply to  Pacman27

Nat west also. I think there sensitivity when these businesses cut jobs though, its something which society in general struggles with. The idea is the business streamlines makes more profits those profits get reinvested in the country so there’s a greater good. British public and media struggle with the concept imo.

Pacman27
Pacman27
8 days ago
Reply to  Expat

I think it just has to be done through a sovereign wealth fund and we need to let managers manage. Ultimately no one goes to work wanting to lay people off, but everyone needs to understand that being busy is really good and quality is key to success. As a country we do seem to want to do as little as possible but expect amazing results… that needs to change

Expat
Expat
7 days ago
Reply to  Pacman27

Yep. Not many like change even if the ens results are a better way of life.

johan
johan
7 days ago
Reply to  Pacman27

OK how many lamposts in the UK. And if everyone plugged in at the same time ????? 5G has been proved to not be whats the word, SAFE. UK does not have the infrastructure for everyone to go electric vehicles. the entire Energy grid needs a upgrade to take the load. You would have to dig up and replace every supply cable from the local Nuclear power station, which are yet to be even built. and based on the UKs actual fossil fuel use compared to the rest of the world. you would be committing this country to financial suicide… Read more »

Pacman27
Pacman27
7 days ago
Reply to  johan

Hey Johan. There is no evidence to suggest 5g is unsafe. It’s simply untrue. As for national grid etc you are partially right it will cost a fortune. But make this country far more resilient. If we are closing down coal/gas/nuclear powered stations all the infrastructure to the grid is already there we just need to plug in the cables. The same for the North Sea. You do know we get electric from Norway? The grid needs upgrading no matter what. Electricity usage will be at least x10 what it is now and 5g is also here to stay. They… Read more »

David Barry
David Barry
9 days ago
Reply to  Pacman27

I would love to see you put a combined road/rail barrage across Morecambe Bay from Lancaster to Millom via Barrow.

Great Crested Newts would have nothing on the furore that would ensue.

And, when you think Levens Viaduct silted up the entrance to Ulverston Canal, what would happen to the dock interface gates at BAE.

PS, Millom only needs an off ramp 😉

Pacman27
Pacman27
9 days ago
Reply to  David Barry

the uk has already identified 12 area suitable for barriers, with the first proposal being the Welsh tidal barrier. Cost is circa £1bn and it produces about 10% of Hinckley point.

it may not be suitable for morecambe but could be very useful n some areas to provide energy and fight off coastal erosion whilst offering aqua culture and recreational opportunities.

the least we should do a build 1 and see how it goes, I mean for the cost of 10 of these HMG has just wasted the same amount on not managing their borrowings properly.

David Barry
David Barry
9 days ago
Reply to  Pacman27

Oh please, the Cons are going to build a new nuclear power station every year, it must be true, PM Johnson said so.

Do you mean the Seven Barrier? You have to wonder what the Victorians would have done with our modern engineering prowess, don’t you?

I can’t name anyone who comes close to IK Brunel.

We talk about sustainability, the BBC yesterday highlighted the massive cost of building a dump under Sellafield, with more waste to come and we don’t build tidal barrages.

Pacman27
Pacman27
9 days ago
Reply to  David Barry

Swansea bay tidal lagoon. as for sellafield the latest salt matrox nuclear reactors can use that waste material and decay it further.. why are we not going with this tech. Why build a mega expensive facility that isn’t needed anymore. surely we have a decommissioned oil rig in the North Sea we can put one on and use the current infrastructure to get it to land, also I would have them paired with a desalination unit so they can produce water the trillion we spent during covid, about 50% was wasted, the good that could have done is just mind… Read more »

johan
johan
7 days ago
Reply to  Pacman27

Every country in the world wasted money during covid, so stop banging that drum as your still hear after the vaccine.

if your such a expert why are you not working for the industry

PISS AND WIND AND BIG MOUTH

you must heat your house when you breath out

johan
johan
7 days ago
Reply to  Pacman27

Already been proved that the problem is Tides and coastlines Move.
Thames Flood Barrier is now in the wrong place,

also the selected places offer poor access to the grid.

Damo
Damo
9 days ago
Reply to  Pacman27

Incredible amount of money to invest in those but I agree. We can already see the energy politics at play now. There’s other nuances to this too. A few years ago Labour, in opposition, 2 years before an election announced they’d introduce an energy price cap and kept using rhetoric that energy suppliers were profiteering. Conservatives later would not deny they’d do the same. What happened? Energy companies stopped investing in renewables for 3 years as neither party would offer assurances that the level of cap wouldn’t cripple them. 3 years of a total cessation of investment. Never sure politicians… Read more »

Pacman27
Pacman27
9 days ago
Reply to  Damo

I agree politicians don’t understand business. All businesses want certainty. You just have to look at how business rates is out of touch with the modern world. I am a big believer in we should have a grand industrial strategy like the Koreans and focus on developing that capability SMR nuclear is the key for me, unpressurised, uses waste material which we have loads of and produces hydrogen as a bi product, what is not to like. Canada is the biggest supporter of the UKs matrox energy says it all really.. the UK is great at doing trials and demonstrators,… Read more »

johan
johan
7 days ago
Reply to  Pacman27

Stand in that circle and blame the person on the right, is ok till the person on your left points at you.

youre the reason this country failed YOU DID IT.

So we all blame you as you so quick to blame everyone else.

Tommo
Tommo
9 days ago
Reply to  expat

👍at last someone with some Economic sense, cheers Expat

Matt
Matt
10 days ago
Reply to  Nicholas

That’s Richard Murphy. Not a credible commentator.

Nicholas
Nicholas
9 days ago
Reply to  Matt

Well at least you have thought that through. I’m assuming you are better qualified the Prof. Murphy.

Matt
Matt
9 days ago
Reply to  Nicholas

Nice try to make it about me.

The issue is Murphy’s lack of any credibility. He’s spent nearly 20 years destroying it.

Even in the linked piece he seems confused about QE, and *demanding* that interest rates be *cut* at a time of excess inflation?

Er…

For the subtlety of Murphy’s thought, have a look back at his GERS debacle, or consider his words on Referenda yesterday:

“Referenda are the tools of fascists.”
https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2022/06/09/its-not-just-the-monarchy-we-need-to-be-rid-of-we-need-total-electoral-reform/#comment-902985

Don’t tell Nicola…

Matt
Matt
9 days ago
Reply to  Nicholas

And a delight.

Murphy on Monarchy: at 27 minutes
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001818h

Nicholas
Nicholas
9 days ago
Reply to  Matt

Disagree with Murphy by all means but he, like you, is entitled to his opinion. His opinion on the economy are more informed than yours. Its not about absolutes, economic theory and practice changes regularly. Just because you don’t agree with him doesn’t mean he has no credibility. There is no right wrong answer with the monarchy for instance. Personally I don’t think the monarcy should be involved in any part of our democracy. Thats not right or wrong its just my position. Neither does it mean that I think the monarcy should be abolished.

Tommo
Tommo
9 days ago
Reply to  Nicholas

The Queen has one thing in common with those deemed mentally incapable and Prisoners ,She does not have the privilege of the Vote in elections ,Herself and her Predecessors are seen as outside the realms of Elections , the only part of the democratic process that the Queen is engaged with is the Privy Council who advise her on articles such as bills that have been passed by the government of the day .She does not have the right too stop any processes that the government has dealt with those involved with the Privy Council are the primrminster members of… Read more »

Matt
Matt
1 day ago
Reply to  Nicholas

Apologies – I hadn’t spotted this reply. Briefly, you seem to be trying to make this about me. Really – it isn’t. It’s about Murphy not having any credibility. He doesn’t need my help to make that happen; he’s managed it just fine on his own. I stopped believing a word Murphy says without a separate trustworthy source more than a decade ago when he was misrepresenting accountancy 101 in order to attack companies for ‘avoiding tax’, when in fact it was just bringing forward tax losses from the year before – entirely legal, entirely normal. The man is a… Read more »

Expat
Expat
9 days ago
Reply to  Nicholas

He presenting an argument from a political perspective so his qualifications become fairly irrelevant. His argument is also ignoring the fact that Britain is part of a global economy. Ask your self if you can just borrow for your central bank why countries default. Like I said if the concept was credible every country in the world would be doing it and there would be no poverty. But in every case too much borrowing ends in more poverty.

Levi Goldsteinberg
Levi Goldsteinberg
10 days ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

No chance that’s true. The US has been posting $1trn deficits for years now, there’s no chance it has been reduced by 70% in one term without drastic public spending cuts. Cutting public spending is just the opposite of what Mr Biden has been doing

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
9 days ago

What Biden says is right. In 2021 the deficit was 2.8trillion. Down 380billion on 2020 deficit. 2022 should be down to $1trillion so cut by $1.45trillion.
Spending was up when Covid started and the deficit had been rising during the trump times.

Sean
Sean
10 days ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

The U.K. is reducing its monthly borrowings faster than any country in the G7.

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
9 days ago
Reply to  Sean

That’s good to know. It’s the least that should be expected by a government. Balancing the books. Lowest earners spend in the country. Middle earners also spend and try to better there position, make money with money. The top earners/companies spend a bit but also hide wealth, buy stock back etc etc. That doesn’t help so much.
I’m not for cutting wildly. Certainly better to grow out than cut back. Some areas can have a trim but it has to be well thought through.

johan
johan
7 days ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

Biden is selling Bomb/Bullets/Bandages to the world like its always done, to build its country

Fedex
Fedex
10 days ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

Protective clothing worth £4bn bought early in the pandemic to stop NHS staff being infected with Covid is to be burned because it is unusable, a report has revealed.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jun/10/4bn-of-nhs-covid-ppe-to-be-burned-as-it-is-unusable-says-committee-report

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins
15 minutes ago
Reply to  Fedex

No real surprises then 😡

Stuart Paterson
Stuart Paterson
10 days ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

Combined with the billions of pounds going up in flames for PPE that is not fit for purpose, track and trace 10’s of billions wasted, not chasing down those that fraudulently obtained money during covid or the dodgy VIP channel for deals during covid.

Imagine what could have been done with all of that wasted money for defence and in general the public good.

James
James
10 days ago

What would the headlines and opposition been if everyone had to be screened before being given money during Covid when no staff had been available to do it? Government offers but refuse’s to pay money out to however many tens of thousands of people. PPE was a worldwide issue, numerous countries did the same in panic buying it was not just the UK. As usual most of the crap came from China and was miss sold, anything done to the companies in China for doing that? Nope. Track and trace was a bit of a farce, it should have been… Read more »

David Steeper
David Steeper
10 days ago
Reply to  James

Spot on.

Pacman27
Pacman27
9 days ago
Reply to  James

What I find deeply disturbing is the lack of an NHS equipment strategy post covid, indeed we have gone backwards.

we need a uk industrial strategy that has on shore factories producing PPE as well as drugs and the testing Laboratories should have moved onto other work, not being wound down.

Surely we can use those massive NHS budgets to manufacture excellent kit for the UK and beyond, perhaps even using some of the foreign aid budget to provide UK goods, such as PPE, food, medicines and even containerised homes, and not money (50% should be in UK manufactured goods)

johan
johan
7 days ago
Reply to  Pacman27

you really have no idea, UK Bussiness was given the list of what was required and could they support or make these items. much like the Dyson ventilators, we don’t even make Percy Pigs in this country, Industry and the EU moving factories to eastern bloc countries with huge subsides, Landrover/Ford because labour is cheaper. NHS Budget, so you want to take primary care money and make a apron with it, or a face mask. global surge in PPE out stripped normal supplies and how do you find new sources. Great idea that we only buy UK goods, what make… Read more »

Matt
Matt
1 day ago
Reply to  johan

With respect, that’s very exaggerated, The Ventilator Challenge programme went from a defined requirement to 14,000 ventilators having been manufactured within a period of 3 months in the UK. Four designs were assessed as making the grade including the one from Dyson. In the end the design which was manufactured was the Penlon ESO 2, which I think is a development of one used by paramedics – sensible as a risk reduction measure. Companies involved included the likes of McLaren, RR and Airbus. In the end we needed 14k not 25k as less invasive CPAP(?) systems were found to be… Read more »

Stuart Paterson
Stuart Paterson
8 days ago
Reply to  James

Oh that’s ok then, nothing to see here then, nothing that needs investigated for sheer incompetence or what looks more like blatant corruption.

They got some major stuff correct, vaccine development and rollout and furlough scheme. That doesn’t mean that it gives them a get out of jail card for everything else, especially excess deaths.

Tories must love the absence of proper scrutiny that people like you seem to want to hold them to, they rely on it and it helps keep them in power.

johan
johan
7 days ago

well if Labour had turned up at the last election and had given us a choice.

BUT THEY DIDNT, YOU LOST move on

wonder if you every made a mistake, and some one forgave you

called being a decent Human being, as you can bet the people trying to source PPE from non approved standards and the in amounts suitable for a countries needs.

not talking of popping to Boots for a box of masks, its a boat load.

johan
johan
7 days ago

So PPE was at a global premium and yes some is not fit for front line care, yet it is suitable for lesser needs. track and trace didn’t exist, ask apple to design a app and they say its 3 years. Track and Trace is now forming the back bone of the NHS system and is actually forming part of the booking and referral system. if labour had any idea it would of been great, but your sad and Bitter of Brexet and covid and everything else. of Indref or the SNP. who lost £6b just like that EU failed… Read more »

Stuart Paterson
Stuart Paterson
7 days ago
Reply to  johan

Gee what a sad rambling and incoherent response, or have you stuck out through Google translate..;0) The sad twat ,;0) in the mirror is absolutely wetting himself laughing at you.

Gunbuster
Gunbuster
7 days ago

“Imagine what could have been done with all of that wasted money for defence and in general the public good.”

So when it takes 6 weeks to get a PHONE CALL consultation (WTF is that!) with a GP, 3 months to get a Anaesthetist for an MRI scan of a 1 year old…What about the money going that the NHS …it is spaffing it up the wall.

Public bodies excel in one thing only, wasting and mismanaging public funds.

expat
expat
10 days ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

tbh, that’s a guilty till proven innocent headline. Expert are again looking back and claiming they would have done something different. We can all do that spout alternatives after the fact. If you want money then best pay off the national debt that would add £70b off available funds for MoD 🙂

Tommo
Tommo
9 days ago
Reply to  expat

We all have a Degree in Hindsight , and we should now be able too handle another Pandemic if one rears its head with all we have learnt from Covid 19 ‐’— if you forget your past your damned too repeat it

Expat
Expat
9 days ago
Reply to  Tommo

True right now it would be difficult to handle another pandemic tbh we weren’t in a good place going onto the last one. The irony is the money pumped into the world’s economy to keep business going is contributing to inflation. They all exited the pandemic ready to go creating a massive demand bubble and therefore inflation. Ukraine situation has added to the pain.

Tommo
Tommo
9 days ago
Reply to  Expat

Thanks Expat ,going back to my old school days and Exonomics there’s 2 forms of inflation 1 Cost push inflation 2 Demand pull inflation , both will run rampant if People think that printing more money will cure the problem then they never had Economics in their curriculum when at School It’s not just the UK ,having differculties We’ve just got over a World pandemic and now we have the War in Ukraine I just wish that those people blaming the Government would look at the wider picture

David Lloyd
David Lloyd
10 days ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

Sunak – who’s family own more gold than the BoE – is an economic illiterate with a USA green card, so he can do a runner to California when the SHTF

We lost over £5billion to furlough fraudsters during the pandemic. Sunak has repeatedly refused to allow the City of London Fraud Squad access to the data. Lots of people are asking why?

Lets hope when Johnsonsky finaly goes, they pick someone other than Sunak to lead the party into oblivion at the next GE

Stuart Paterson
Stuart Paterson
10 days ago
Reply to  David Lloyd

Agree with all that, apart from the last bit, hope they disappear off to oblivion some time soon.

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins
10 days ago
Reply to  David Lloyd

We certainly know how to waste money when we could make excellent use of it for our defence requirements.

johan
johan
7 days ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

AJAX MRA4 Warrior do we keep going, MOD is just as bad for waste

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins
7 days ago
Reply to  johan

We know Johan.

Sean
Sean
10 days ago
Reply to  David Lloyd

They don’t have more gold.
He has way more financial credentials than you do.
He doesn’t have a green card.
It’s not the Fraud Squads job in the first instance.
Why are you trying to infer Johnson is Polish?

Off your meds I see…

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DMJ
DMJ
10 days ago
Reply to  Sean

Spot on, another of his rants

grizzler
grizzler
8 days ago
Reply to  Sean

His Family may do – that finance wizard Brown got rid of most of ours. How do you know. He did/does have green card he convienitly didnt mention-like his wifes tax status -extremely dodgey The Tories were told their COVID finance ‘policy’ was open to fraud before they introduced it (by the NAO I think?) – There was (alledgedy) £5 billion of fraud they dont want to trace -why not ? Johnson is Russian-well open to fraternisation with them anyway the rich ones – not Polish ..and more tellingly an arsehole …as is Sunak (not Russian just an arsehole- an… Read more »

Sean
Sean
8 days ago
Reply to  grizzler

Stop being silly… His family do not. Rich people don’t generally hoard like some Ernest Goldfinger, they may have holdings as part of a portfolio of investments but it will be far less that what is held for HMG at the BoE. (Of course we’d have even more but for the idiot Brown.) He studied at an American University; where he met his wife. It made sense for him to apply for a Green Card then. He did not get it recently as you alleged for in case things go sideways. He’d completely forgotten it was still valid and cancelled… Read more »

johan
johan
7 days ago
Reply to  grizzler

£5b in Fraud on the Furlough Scheme and loans.
£6b Lost by the SNP of covid support.

Furlough scheme should of been based on your last years tax, then all those Self employed who only earnt 50p the years before would of got exactly what they deserved.

They have all proved to be rubbish, it comes from Universities send these clowns out we a degree in Politics. when they should be driving a van

Sean
Sean
7 days ago
Reply to  johan

Ah the rant if someone who didn’t make it to university, enough said.

Simon
Simon
7 days ago
Reply to  johan

the furlough scheme for the self employed was based on there tax return. hence why people who for example had taken a minimum wage and paid them selves in dividends didn’t get anything

johan
johan
7 days ago
Reply to  Sean

LOL

Andrew Thorne
Andrew Thorne
10 days ago
Reply to  David Lloyd

Who do you vote for these days. You either have the now socialist Tory party or you can have the communist Labour party. We’re in a rock and a hard place. I think both parties are intent on destroying the UK piece by piece. One can only hope we get a party that believes in small government, fiscal prudence, defence, rigorous practical education, law and order and border control but I guess I’m asking for the impossible these days so I’ll spoil my ballot come the next election. The only constant in life is that all politicians lie all of… Read more »

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Russ`
Russ`
9 days ago
Reply to  Andrew Thorne

Hi, Can you define “socialist” or “communist” for me. I’m damn sure neither is either.

johan
johan
7 days ago
Reply to  David Lloyd

Have to agree with the Furlough and loans offered, but you then have to question why these firms were not looked back into the tax returns. but then staff were not in the office and Govt office networks dont like remote working. The fraud squad are active in chasing cases where there is a chance of recovering money or assets. Sunak has been torpedoed but his history, but you have to ask why someone with that wealth would want to work, Boris for all his failings and that’s more to do with his party and its MPs who for 7… Read more »

Sean
Sean
10 days ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

Left wing think tank claims Rishi could have theoretically have saved £11bn if the Treasury did what they are claiming. Yeah, if they are so clever, why are they working there and not the Treasury, or Goldman Sachs, etc…

I’m sure we could all save money if we could utilise the benefit of hindsight and a time machine 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Andrew Thorne
Andrew Thorne
10 days ago
Reply to  Sean

I’m nominally centre right and even I think Rishi is a complete moron with little or no knowledge of how to manage an economy. He should have been fired after the pandemic.

David Steeper
David Steeper
9 days ago
Reply to  Sean

😂😂

grizzler
grizzler
8 days ago
Reply to  Sean

So they can’t highlight poor fInancial decisions by our supposedly financially astute chancellor …why not ?
He above anyone should have access to the best resources & data and if he is not held accountable who exactly should be.
The trouble with Public Office in the UK is too many people have ‘responsibilties’ they are happy to get paid for- but are then allowed to absolve themselves of any accountabilties- Nice work if you can get it.

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins
7 days ago
Reply to  Sean

“I’m sure we could all save money if we could utilise the benefit of hindsight and a time machine 🤷🏻‍♂️”

Fingers crossed eh!

Shock contraction of 0.3% for UK economy in April as CBI demands ‘vital actions’ to prevent recession
https://news.sky.com/story/shock-contraction-of-0-3-for-economy-in-april-as-cbi-demands-vital-actions-to-prevent-recession-12632893

Sean
Sean
7 days ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

Perhaps you should bother reading the articles you link to before posting? Let me help you with the relevant part:

“the contraction was mainly down to an pandemic-related anomaly which included the end of free COVID tests.”

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins
7 days ago
Reply to  Sean

I do and you are the last person I need help from.

Sean
Sean
7 days ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

Well if you read it you clearly didn’t understand it 😆

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins
6 days ago
Reply to  Sean

Just like a child Dern, try keeping up. “the contraction was mainly down to an pandemic-related anomaly which included the end of free COVID tests.” “The UK will be the worst-performing G7 economy next year with the cost of living crisis and tax increases projected to slow economic activity to a crawl, according to a new IMF forecast. The US, Japan, Germany, France, Italy and Canada are forecast to grow faster, according to the fund. The new forecast undermines recent claims by Boris Johnson, prime minister, that the UK was the fastest growing G7 economy thanks to its successful vaccine… Read more »

johan
johan
7 days ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

OK if you read this report and its from a financial expert and stemmed from the failure to offset the debt. yet another report on the same subject from another Financial expert stated that as the debt was caused by the Bank Of England raising interest rates, the amounts of debt couldnt have been restructured without incurring a large amount of Risk. so who do we believe, as its just one so called expert and a Media outlet with a agenda. i am so bored of everyone looking for someone to blame, and chuck stones at, as with the 1st… Read more »

Paul.P
Paul.P
9 days ago

So these contractors have just joined the RFA?

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
9 days ago
Reply to  Paul.P

No. This is the fleet that used to be RMAS.

Paul.P
Paul.P
9 days ago

Ah, ok. Thx.

Tommo
Tommo
9 days ago

And we called them PAS boats Port Auxiliary Service Daniele

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
9 days ago
Reply to  Tommo

Morning mate. 👍

Tommo
Tommo
9 days ago

👍and a glorious sunny day too you

Mr Bell
Mr Bell
9 days ago

Chances of uk built vessels. Zero?

Monkey spanker
Monkey spanker
9 days ago
Reply to  Mr Bell

I’m sure there are some yards that can make these types of boats.
The fact the contractor gets to pick where to build has my brain in a pickle. Why would that be done.

Simon
Simon
8 days ago
Reply to  Monkey spanker

Seems very odd as when Serco took over RAMS and loads of the boats needed replacing (this was part of the contract) they had them built by Damen or purchased 2nd hand

Tommo
Tommo
8 days ago

Slighty of post ,Just remembering the Lads of HMS Glamorgan 12 06 1982 I’m old now they are forever young ,another Pompey boat Gone but not forgotten