In a recent meeting in London, Greek Minister of National Defence, Nikos Dendias, and James Heappey, UK Minister of State for the Armed Forces, discussed the potential transfer of British minehunting vessels to Greece.

During their conversation, the officials explored various subjects of mutual concern, including challenges to regional stability.

In the context of further strengthening our defence relations, we discussed addressing common challenges, such as the situation in Ukraine, the Middle East, and the Red Sea,” Dendias remarked.

A significant part of their discussion focused on the prospective handover of minehunters from the UK to Greece. Dendias noted, “We also discussed the potential provision of minehunters from the United Kingdom to Greece,“.

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Hereward
Hereward (@guest_792309)
3 months ago

A sale or a gift?? Either way, is reducing even further the number of vessels in service really a top idea? Why not transfer a few admirals instead?

Andrew Thorne
Andrew Thorne (@guest_792334)
3 months ago
Reply to  Hereward

Why not transfer Grant Shapps, Michael Gove, David Cameron and Rishi Sunak? Might be a better idea. In return for taking these people we could include in the Elgin Marbles as a sweetener for the deal.

Frank62
Frank62 (@guest_792414)
3 months ago
Reply to  Andrew Thorne

If I were Greece I’d take such a hostile suggestion(Shapps, Gove etc) as a declaration of war! We like the Greeks.

David Barry
David Barry (@guest_792523)
3 months ago
Reply to  Andrew Thorne

Er, UK fish stocks are depleted, I’d suggest using the lot of them as fish food.

Agree on the Elgin Marbles.

Frank Wilson
Frank Wilson (@guest_793032)
3 months ago
Reply to  Hereward

If you followed the story, these vessels were due to be donated to Ukraine but the Turks – as usual – blocked their entry through the Bosphorus. So giving the vessels to a key ally (in order to meet the Turkish threat, the Greeks spend more on defence as a percentage of their GDP than all NATO members except the USA) is putting the vessels to good use and also encouraging the Greeks – who have already placed orders for F-35s and warships from the Americans and warships from the French – might find it in their interest to place… Read more »

Martyn Heale
Martyn Heale (@guest_792310)
3 months ago

and then there were none.

Tommo
Tommo (@guest_792338)
3 months ago
Reply to  Martyn Heale

Sad too say your right the kitchen sink is next after throwing the bath out with the Navy in it

David Barry
David Barry (@guest_792524)
3 months ago
Reply to  Tommo

Look stop spreading despondency and inciting disorder.

We have kayaks ffs.

Last edited 3 months ago by David Barry
Tommo
Tommo (@guest_792563)
3 months ago
Reply to  David Barry

,Paddles FFBNW kayaks by any chance

David Barry
David Barry (@guest_792607)
3 months ago
Reply to  Tommo

Paddles? Production of said product has been off-shored to China who have said it is not environmentally to produce them.

Said kayaks are up a creek near Poole.

Apoplectix
Apoplectix (@guest_792584)
3 months ago
Reply to  Tommo

I read last week that the Marines got a new speed boat. So the navy is definitely growing.

Tommo
Tommo (@guest_792589)
3 months ago
Reply to  Apoplectix

They were shown off too Forces News the Marines will probably not allow anyone in the Navy near them judging by some of the mishaps the Navy has had in the last 30 days I don’t blame them

Reyhan FADIL
Reyhan FADIL (@guest_792317)
3 months ago

It’s seems, that this Government is focusing on dismantling the Armed forces as much as they can, before the next General election….let me guess, because we have no one to crew them!
Understanding that the mine clearance is going down the remote control route, but surely, we need ships to fly the flag and respond with a presence if needed? I really am shocked, about the Conservative defence lack of understanding of the increased threat were now under.

Nick Cole
Nick Cole (@guest_792325)
3 months ago
Reply to  Reyhan FADIL

And unmanned ships still need to be controlled and maintained.

Tommo
Tommo (@guest_792345)
3 months ago
Reply to  Nick Cole

The motherships will be Civilian manned RFA crew with Naval specialists when required it’s a con putting Civilians into a live area of operation doesn’t sit well with the forces that’s if you can now get the crews enlistment into the RFA is low

Martyn Heale
Martyn Heale (@guest_792397)
3 months ago
Reply to  Tommo

Trouble with their strategy in disposing of all the minesweepers is that 15 minesweepers (if we still had them) could be a presence in 15 different ports at the same time. 4 motherships mean they will have to prioritise which 4 ports are the more important, because that is all they can cover. Maybe only just 2 or 3 ports covered if motherships are in for repair, upgrade etc. Doesn’t seem there are many strategists of merit in their ranks.

Tommo
Tommo (@guest_792405)
3 months ago
Reply to  Martyn Heale

Had 4 yrs on Hunts Chid and Brecon out the Gulf for a long stretch we had Hms Herald survey ship and RFA Dilliegence acted as mummy never used them apart from their sickbay and holding stores for us whilst we were out Hunting we could put at least 9 Hunts out there as we did for OP Granby now that’s both Hunt and Sandowns combined fleet total if that

Jon
Jon (@guest_792542)
3 months ago
Reply to  Tommo

Do we have any operational Sandowns? Thought the last one totalled itself backing into Chiddingfold. I reckon maybe a half-dozen Hunts left.

Tommo
Tommo (@guest_792564)
3 months ago
Reply to  Jon

Bit of 2 nations rivalry Chid had a good Rugby 7s team in the 80ts Can’t let the Welsh get the upper hand

Martin
Martin (@guest_792449)
3 months ago
Reply to  Martyn Heale

Mother ships could be bought in from almost anywhere and OPVs could be repurposed it’s how many sets of mine hinting kit there are that will be the limit not vessels

Tommo
Tommo (@guest_792565)
3 months ago
Reply to  Martin

Opvs like River class not very good signature when on a degaussing range too much Steel that’s why the Navy went Tupperware even the tools are Non Ferrous metal

Martin
Martin (@guest_792729)
3 months ago
Reply to  Tommo

Surely the converted mother ships are just steel.and keep away from the danger area. They then send in much smaller vessels to hunt for mines and disable them.

The discussion though is academic if there are not enough sets of autonomous mine hunting kit.

Even then the kit or a substantial portion of it could be moved quickly by air allowing rapid deployment if required to far flung places.

Tommo
Tommo (@guest_792748)
3 months ago
Reply to  Martin

Not funny losing power in a active field therefore all this Autonomous kits if they breaksdown will have too be Expendable recovery would be tricky at the least

ABCRodney
ABCRodney (@guest_792698)
3 months ago
Reply to  Martin

OPV are way too small, to use and support the autonomous systems you need internal volume, generating capacity, deck space a large crane and yep more space. They have to be able to lift the Autonomous Boats out of the water for maintenance and transportation.

Martin
Martin (@guest_792735)
3 months ago
Reply to  ABCRodney

I’ve just spent time looking and the 11 metre boats used by the system weigh 10 to 11 tons and the batch 2 OPVs have a 16 ton crane and a large open area at the back which can be used to land helicopters. Two remote boats can be operated from within a 15 metre work boat and reading between the lines don’t need much power to run the computers and coms equipment. I seems quite possible to use an OPV given it’s accommodation is sized to cary up to 50 people above it’s own crew. The kit is air… Read more »

Tommo
Tommo (@guest_792753)
3 months ago
Reply to  Martin

You would most likely also have too change all the Sonar equipment too include side scan

TonyB
TonyB (@guest_792370)
3 months ago

Slightly off topic, but the War Zone has some rather nice pics of HMS Diamond docking in Gibraltar with some newly applied stencils of its drone scoresheet from the Red Sea cruise.

Tommo
Tommo (@guest_792578)
3 months ago
Reply to  TonyB

It’s good putting a Score sheet stencil up on the Bridge wing going back a bit we embossed 34 Mines when we returned after OP Granby in 91 makes you feel proud 34 Mines that can no longer cause damage job done well done Diamond

TonyB
TonyB (@guest_792601)
3 months ago
Reply to  Tommo

If they had any imagination, they should put a photo of the stencils from Diamond’s bridge wing into a recruitment ad with the caption, “This is what we do.”

Andrew D
Andrew D (@guest_792442)
3 months ago

Honestly what are they thinking of 🙄 minehunters for sale ,government saying spending more on Defence and at the same time selling off our vessels.Are HMG going to sell the sailors has well part of the deal. Greece must be laughing at us .Lord knows what Putin thinks 😕

lonpfrb
lonpfrb (@guest_792928)
3 months ago
Reply to  Andrew D

Kaputin says we are irrelevant which is dictator projection speak for we fear you a lot…

Prisoner trump says he’s a really strong leader and that he encourages RF to invade delinquent NATO members who don’t pay 2% GDP even though that agreement isn’t until 2025.

Understandable, I mean who else but ruzzian oligarchs will lend #45 money to pay his legal costs and penalties $500,000,000 or so..

Greg
Greg (@guest_792515)
3 months ago

Do we get to keep the Elgin Marbles in exchange…

Jon
Jon (@guest_792544)
3 months ago

I’d assume one is Penzance and possibly another Bangor if they can patch her up again.

farouk
farouk (@guest_792623)
3 months ago

On the subject on Mine warfare mother ships, , would it be a good idea for the Uk to join the club regards the City-class mine counter measure ships: France, Holland, Belgium are procuring

ABCRodney
ABCRodney (@guest_792708)
3 months ago
Reply to  farouk

Maybe not, let’s see how Stirling Castle gets on. FYI the City Class Motherships are a purpose built Military spec design @2200 tonnes and cost @€180 million each. Stirling Castle isn’t purpose built but has a lot going for her in terms of latent ability. She is over 6000 tonnes and cost £40 to buy. So add on refit costs, adding equipment fit etc say £60/70 million (no repay yet). Let’s see if this little MOD Brainwave works, because we need Mass on a limited budget. And funny thing is the RFA have a long history of taking commercial designs… Read more »

Gunbuster
Gunbuster (@guest_792666)
3 months ago

Greece had some Hunts…they lost one after an argument with a rather large container ship

https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.0df2ca2d9c129d822c41f6cc3681b772?rik=3vSU9j9thEKUQg&pid=ImgRaw&r=0

Gunbuster
Gunbuster (@guest_792667)
3 months ago

Crewed vessels in RN service entering a Mine Area are going to shortly be a thing of the past. Drones , operated from a couple of containers ashore or aboard a suitable mothership or STUFT …it is the future. The kit is Air portable and a C17 or two can deploy it anywhere in the world within a few days. Certainly a lot quicker than chugging along from the UK to the area of deployment that takes weeks. There is also No need for a whole ships crew to be put in harms way. As for the comments regarding putting… Read more »

ABCRodney
ABCRodney (@guest_792705)
3 months ago
Reply to  Gunbuster

Good interview with the Captain of Stirling Castle on Forces Net. She is now on the Clyde and should be IOC later this year. I’m actually a fan of this but of “Out of the Box” thinking, it’s just so not Typical MOD and it could be a way quicker and cost effective solution than a purpose built Mothership design. It focuses on Mission Capability and a lot of open questions to arrive at a OTS solution that focuses on “what you actually need” and ignores all the “nice to haves”. The Ship has to be able to Transport, Deploy,… Read more »

Gunbuster
Gunbuster (@guest_794294)
3 months ago
Reply to  ABCRodney

A lot of work has been ongoing at Fleet over the past few years regarding RN Transformation. Small to medium changes here and there altering the way the RN does its business. Most have gone unreported, but some have resulted in histrionics from certain quarters.

The MCM is one of those changes that has been brought in to fundamentally change how the RN worked regarding mine warfare. Some don’t like change and bleat, others have embraced it. On my part the current use of Hunt/Sandowns was not sustainable

Micki
Micki (@guest_792681)
3 months ago

It seems that this government works for the interest of Argentina or Russia. Well done. (Ironic)

Mike
Mike (@guest_793099)
3 months ago

Hardly a gift if they have holes in them!!

Steve Morley
Steve Morley (@guest_793236)
3 months ago

We don’t need any naval ships. Our borders are well protected and secure. We have really competent politicians and ministers in charge.

Steve Morley
Steve Morley (@guest_793240)
3 months ago

Oh dear.. you didn’t like my comment

Steve Morley
Steve Morley (@guest_793242)
3 months ago

Was it too near the truth.

lonpfrb
lonpfrb (@guest_793870)
3 months ago

I heard that we were trying to help Ukraine with MCM ships but instead of visiting Romania first told everyone first so the Turks would not open the Bosporus to them as combatant vessels which are prohibited by Treaty.

Surely Greece is the last partner to choose given their history with Turkiye (Cyprus etc)…

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-giving-two-sandown-class-mine-hunters-to-ukraine/

Last edited 3 months ago by lonpfrb