HMS Portland is keeping a close eye on Russian-guided missile frigate Admiral Gorshkov, and its accompanying tanker, the Kama, as they make their way through international waters in the North Sea.
The British Type 23 frigate is currently working alongside the Norwegian Coast Guard vessel Bergen as the Russian ships transit through the Norwegian Sea.
The Royal Navy say here:
“The Type 23 frigate joined the Norwegian Coast Guard vessel Bergen, as the Russian ships transited south through the Norwegian Sea. Portland with her specialist Merlin helicopter embarked – both equipped with cutting-edge sonars, sensors and torpedoes for specialist operations – is tracking and reporting on the movements of the Russian ships through the North Sea.”
Portland’s Commanding Officer Commander Ed Moss-Ward said:
“Escorting warships in UK territorial waters and the adjacent sea areas is routine activity for the Royal Navy. By maintaining a visible and persistent presence, the Royal Navy ensures compliance with maritime law and deters malign activity to protect our nation’s interests. Escorting the Russian task group alongside forces from our NATO allies has demonstrated the UK’s commitment to the alliance and to maintaining maritime security.”
You can read more here.
Given incompetence seems to be a tradition in the Russian military, let’s hope there’s no repeat…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogger_Bank_incident
Hopefully that is as true today as it was in 1904
Judging by the claim last week that they killed 700 odd Ukrainian soldiers when eyes and photos on the ground next day showed the missiles didn’t even hit the rather large buildings they were aimed at suggests little has changed even with ‘precision’ missiles let alone their dumb artillery.
Oh and I see they have yet another new commander in the field there General Staff Officers getting a turn, geez if it goes any higher up the chain of command Putin will be in the trenches.
The Russians claimed that they hit 2 sites with multiple missiles. We have only seen photos/reports of part of one site. No satellite pictures have been released. I would respectfully suggest therefore that we do not know what actually happened.
Is it good or bad that the Russians are learning as they go along and replacing ‘peacetime’ Generals with those with a perhaps more ‘warlike’ aptitude? Above him General Gerasimov looks secure and Shoigu seems to be running the Turkey/Syria peace talks that are about to come to a head.
They claimed to have hit a building containing hundreds of Ukrainian soldiers killing them all. They were lying. They didn’t. The claim was made for domestic consumption and for shills like yourself to spray around.
That’s just compounding your guesswork. All we know for sure is that part of one site was photographed and the other wasn’t. That to me raises doubt. You may view what Kiev says as gospel but I don’t, too many times they have shown that they are experts at part truths. Their clear objective is keeping any disasters from their population, as any country would try to do in a war like this. Especially after their similar NYE hit on the Russians PR.
I wouldn’t put too much stock on what causes you doubt. You’re completely immune to facts and truth living as you do in that closed Kremlin bunker. Not even your lauded Russian milbloggers believe that claim, it’s only lower level propagandists like yourself who continue to dissemble, deflect and distract. The site was visited by respected and independent news outlets very shortly after the strike, it showed a largely structurally intact building albeit with windows blown out , but no bodies ,no destroyed equipment , no personal effects, no blood. Not even you could be stupid enough to believe that… Read more »
Oh yes Russian fan boys are stupid enough to believe everything.
The main truth from the statement by the Russians is that they lost way more than the 89 declared people in the strike. As they declared Ukraine lost 800 troops I would suggest that’s roughly the number of deaths Russia suffered.
11 months into a conflict and they are putting hundreds of soldiers in one building within range of Ukraine missiles and then put ammo in the same building! Still it’s the solider that posted the photos fault for leaving his geolocation on.
Beautifully put it has long been the plan in a space where 100% information or proof rarely escapes for obvious reasons to equate 5% or 10% truth to 70% to 90% truth to obscure realities. As we know Trump is an expert in similar smoke and mirror tactics, if you create an atmosphere where everything is doubted, it leaves a level playing field for you to manipulate so your own truths are, at least to the gullible, seen as truths especially when predisposed to want to believe them. Hell even Prince Harry having been faced with some of his memories… Read more »
“You may view what Kiev says as gospel but I don’t, too many times they have shown that they are experts at part truths.”
That’s still far more truth than the utter horsesh*t that comes out of the mouths of Putin, Shoigu et al.
How do you know when a Russian official is lying? Answer: his lips are moving!
Wow. You are still shilling for the Russians after all the death they have caused?
Do I believe you or do I believe an Italian journalist at the scene who visited the building within hours of the attack where missile strikes were clearly shown to have missed the building which still stood? Tough call. Equally If the Russians can’t hide a damaging strike killing supposedly less troops in remote area of Ukraine they have in lock down from their own people (which even its most devoted acolytes didn’t believe the official line by the way) then how would you suggest that Ukraine managed to hide the deaths of 700 soldiers within hours when foreign journalists… Read more »
What annoys me is that the media do not call out more forcibly the obvious blatant lies from the Russians. I get fed up with the news channels giving so much air time to obvious bogus claims by the Russians and not focusing more on the vile war crimes they persistently commit murdering innocent men, women and children on a daily basis. The problem is that many gullible members of the public start believing the Russians: “because it’s on the news it must be true”! CNN are quite good at calling a war crime a war crime but the BBC… Read more »
Number one problem… If you believe mainstream media at all you are gullible. They’re about is reliable is your Twitter feed.
Hilarious post as ever Nazi lover! Warlike Generals in the Russian military mean they have been given a camouflage smock and some bird shit for their shoulders by Putin and told to get angry with the civilian population of Ukraine! But as ever, you are out and about defending the Nazi Russian actions! Sad 👜
Another Russian will be falling out a window or having a smoking related incident soon
Very careless lot recently aren’t they!!!!!
Didn’t you know that prominent Ukrainians and indeed Westerners are falling out if windows too when they express anything but total allegiance, it’s just all being kept quiet apparently. When you are dealing with clowns this mischievous you just have to accept they are too stupid (or kept so by a lifetime of abusive control through gaslighting) or are bribed, be it emotionally or financially to preach the State propaganda. Whatever reservations about the West and I have many, it’s about as good as it’s likely to get I fear as compared to dystopian monolithic regimes like Russia and their… Read more »
And hitting 2 sites as claimed, possibly, if they were aiming for 10!
You seem to be under some kind of delusion as to the accuracy of Russian missiles. If they are as you say, how do you account for the pinpoint destruction of specific points in the Ukrainian power network, usually transformers? With very low civilian casualties to boot.
Throw enough at Ukraine some will hit the target! And low civvie casualties? Not quite johnskie, but then again you have to say that!
Wow one post lays doubt about Russian equipment the next post praises it. Really are going through the training manual at the moment arent we.
Chortle. Dream on Russia is known to have fired some 3000+ cruise and guided missiles at Ukraine. That’s a lot of hardware. If it was accurate and your lot were aiming at the right targets after 3000 missiles fired you should have crippled Ukraine. Try hitting military targets rather than schools, hospitals, theatre’s where civilians are known to be hiding and apartment blocks. Reality is the Russian armed forces couldn’t organise a strategic air campaign if the lives of their mistresses or vodka dispensers depended upon it. A comparable NATO air campaign would have finished the war exactly 3 weeks… Read more »
I don’t think it would have taken NATO 3 weeks to fire that many precision missiles LGB’s anyway……
Most of the Russian ammo / fuel dumps / command and control would have been taken out on day one after a few hours.
Mind you, taking out Russian command and control might improve performance in the field? So maybe a rethink there…
Easily answered. Do you really think after months that the Ukrainian people are living next to any large scale generation infrastructure? Equally alarms are going off the moment Russian aircraft are in the air and cruise missiles from the Black or Caspian Sea are detected which I’m sure NATO is helping by detecting almost the moment they are launched (note this is different to targeting info) so shelters are being used well ahead of impact. Ballistic missiles as reported today is a different matter and evidence from Ukraine itself reports were not detected soon enough for alarms to warn the… Read more »
Surovikin wasn’t a peacetime General was he, as he spent a large amount of time destroying Syrian cities and its civilians! Oh dear how sad, that shit hasn’t had an effect on the Ukrainian morale so boom, one nonce murderer ( who got a bit powerful and comfortable) is replaced by another less powerful nonce murderer.
Indeed he wasn’t.
The Russians seem to have divided up the management of their forces by putting a senior General in charge of each of 3 fronts, Two 3* and one 4* I think.
By taking away the other two fronts (that are not very active) it allows Surovkin to concentrate on the main one that is and in which he is doing pretty well. You have noticed that the Ukrainians have left Soledar?
Curious to hear your thoughts on why he was replaced.
OK, this may the most significant post in this thread. But first understand that Surovikin was not replaced, quite the reverse as the latest photos show him no longer as a Colonel General (3* to us) but as an full Army General with one large star (a 4*) The reason for these personnel changes seems to be the Russians are moving to a new phase of the war and are upgrading the management structure to suit. They look to have done it by stripping responsibilities in current roles that are not important to the new roles to facilitate concentration on… Read more »
JIMK wrote:
Its a known fact, that in the miltary, that a waste of space is promoted simply to get him moved out. seen it happen loads of times.
Very true as in most bureaucracies, but I got the timing of Surovikin’s promotion wrong, it occurred in August 2021. It would appear that he is not regarded as being in that category. Interestingly he is a Russian VKS i.e. Airforce General.
Right so his promotion has no relevance to his recent performance then which you suggested was because they still had confidence in him. Nice attempt at deflection mind that was quite clever… though not quite clever enough.
Happens everywhere, promotion to some non entity job filling reports that don’t matter.
This is a quote from Gonzalo Lira, a well known poster, that takes the reshuffle reason further than I did.
“It’s a sign that the Russians are preparing for a long and very big war against NATO.
Once Ukraine’s defeat is obvious, the Russians believe that NATO will intervene directly with boots on the ground.
That’s why they are re-organizing their military leadership.”
Gonzalo Lira.
Can’t really decide if that’s parody, comedy gold or certifiable stupidity.
Nor me, but he seems to live in Kharkiv and is very active.
As if you’d actually know. 🙄
JIMK wrote:
Here’s something similar which has gained more traction:
A Russian coma patient wakes up after 6 months …
… and asks for the news.
“Well, we’re fighting in Ukraine – defending our motherland from NATO, and deciding the future of the world”
“How is it going?”
“Well, we lost over 15.000 soldiers, hundreds of tanks, hundreds of aircraft, it’s a grinder”
“And NATO?”
“NATO hasn’t shown up yet…”
🤣🤣👌
It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad as it was a Ukrainian patient that was the one who woke up.
😂🤣😂🤣😅🤭
FFS hilarious!!!!!
Prepare all you like. Putin and his raping murdering half-arsed nothing boys would get chucked out and militarily defeated in quick order if NATO were to intervene directly. Even Putin (who is a murdering obnoxious Psycho) acknowledges he can’t defeat NATO . Preparing for a wider conflict….dream on. Id actually like NATO to just give Ukraine all the hardware they can man and see what real western military kit (not 2nd line reserve stuff) does to your lauded reorganised army. Johnski..we are British and unimpressed and unscarred. I’d advise Russia not to anger us. Once roused the British lion has… Read more »
Is that really feasible after how much materiel, full time trained personnel and stores Russia has lost since February last year. Unless Russia has pulled off a significant Maskirovka, hiding stockpiles, fully trained personnel and material from prying NATO eyes. I cannot see the rationale behind the statement, where Russia are preparing for a long war with Russia. Based on exploits and evidence in Ukraine, I think Russia has shot its bolt and the tank is nearly empty.
The irony is pre war what with a mostly pacifist Europe and distant US if Russia had managed (yeah I know as we now see laughable) to organise its forces quickly and strike they could have made some decent toads into NATO territory Baltic States Poland to a degree and Romania in particular before we could get our act together and garner reinforcements which might have given Russia time to arrange imaginary referenda, gain 105% support for incorporation into Russias Western territories and threaten nuclear war if anyone dared to restore them to their previous status. But now they probably… Read more »
Crikey so they admitting they were badly organised to take on NATO prior to this, that would be despite the whole pretext for the war being due to the danger of you guessed it NATO. This is wonderful imagination you are expressing here for the reasoning for these promotions/demotions, again I’m impressed hope you are getting time and a half for this work.
Well further or in a different direction. Either it’s to reorganise for new campaigns on different fronts or it’s to reorganise the Russian forces to take on NATO, or both. Got to love Multiple Choice reminds me of CSEs, or alternatively making it up as you go along…. ok I’m doing my own version now.
“Joint Force Commander” hilarious my little Nazi troll, as there’s feck all joint in the Nazi military of Putin. They think a joint operation is when one bloke has boots and the warm kit, one other has the weapon and the third has the rape kit!
😂😂
You got that one a bit wrong, I’m pretty sure they forgot the warm kit and boots….after all it was all going to be over last spring.
Isn’t it great to see Russia have its own Napoleon/Hitler moment in time, about the only positive to be taken sadly in this needless brutal war and attack on all civilised existence.
Indeed. It’s sad the damage one man’s hubris paired with national ignorance can do.
Have you noticed it’s Wagner doing the fighting, using the good old Soviet who cares about casualties tactics? Surely you don’t support using convicted criminals still serving their sentence (oh yes you do, you have already confirmed that) And the main one doing well, after over 11 months a few hundred metres is the Nazis doing well? Wow!
Stay around long enough John and you might get your turn at the top job to display your military knowledge.
Perhaps you should try map reading…
Soledar HOLDS
Yes I can and do read maps. I agree that the western outskirts are still being fought over (Silj station and the 7th salt mine) and there are still surrounded UA forces in the center of Soledar but it has to all intents and purposes been lost. It remains to be seen whether the UA has the capability to retake it. The next few days will be crucial. The area exposes a radical difference between UA and RA strategy, with the UA holding on for grim death, literally as they just keep feeding forces into the Russian Soledar/Bakhmut ‘meat grinder’,… Read more »
It exposes nothing of the sort. Ukrainians are defending their territory as is their right. However do you really think that the mass casualty Russian human wave attacks around Soledar and Bakhmut are some kind of exemplar of military feat of arms ? Or some kind of strategic success? To extrapolate their progress there onto the wider war front, we can probably expect to see Russian forces on the outskirts of Lviv around the year 2433. The Soledar/Bakhmut front has everything to do with internal Kremlin politics as Prigozhin seeks to burnish his credentials by presenting any kind of a… Read more »
Spot on someone who sees it clearly.
Ridiculous conclusion. The Russians were till the then new commander had every problem in pulling out of Kherson but it was firstly indefensible with backs against the river and cost of supply, was no longer a bridgehead to attack Odessa and secondly like the withdrawal from the capital earlier in the war they needed the troops to make any impact in retrieving the worsening situation in the Donbas and ‘construct’ any perception of achieving their sims back home. If the Ukrainians don’t defend in Soledar then they will have to defend a few miles down the road anyway. The Strategic… Read more »
The UA seems to have moved back from Soledar to defensible high ground a short distance to the west.
Is that good news for you if true? Try to answer a direct question without a distraction comment!
I don’t care one way or the other.
😂 You do otherwise you wouldn’t have answered saying you didn’t!
Re arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic springs to mind. Gerasimov was responsible for the initial planning of the invasion, we all know how disastrously for them that went. It’s unlikely that he’s going to do any better now with what are mobilised untrained mass conscripts and the convicts from the Wagner organised crime group.
Hey John. How do you compare the Russian invasion of iUkraine to those of Stalin’s adventures in Poland alongside Hitler in 1939. Similar ?
JIMK wrote: “”The Russians claimed that they hit 2 sites with multiple missiles. We have only seen photos/reports of part of one site. No satellite pictures have been released. I would respectfully suggest therefore that we do not know what actually happened”” Well seeing as the Ukraine has become a pin cushion for Russian Ballistic Missiles, suicide drones and Cruise Missiles, (lets not forget the Russian missile strike on the Yavoriv military base in March which the Ukraine claimed killed 61 and injured 160 which is situated around 12 miles from the Polish border) I’ll put a lot of money… Read more »
Thanks for that. I would suggest why the UA may be using sites like this to billet large numbers of troops could be a combination of necessity and confidence in the structure. They are moving significant numbers of troops around which must be placing their logistics and command officers under serious strain so keeping a unit together must help organisationally. There are now a reduced and finite number of buildings that they can put large units in or distribute between. Colleges and schools, like these under discussion, are perfect as they were built in Soviet times so typically as hardened… Read more »
JIMK wrote:
Suggest all you want, on this subject you are wrong. I mean why would the Ukrainian Military have confidence in a structure when they are targeting the exact same on the Russian side resulting in mass causalities
Because the structures are/were totally different. The Ukrainian attack 31st Dec was on what looks from the photos to be a fairly lightweight structure, unlike the school.
So unlike your accusations, there is evidence indeed that both sites were actually missed and it does seem no great casualty count occurred. If I got it so wrong I would certainly question my motivations in warping realities but then I seek different ends I guess. I do have to congratulate you though in a sort of sick way, on the strength of the speculation you create here based on let’s be honest absolutely nothing at all and simply obscuring it when proved incorrect by the evidence by simply moving to a new set of uncorroborated or unprovable speculation. Trouble… Read more »
There are currently claims in Russia that the actual death toll was 371 not the public 87.
Shut it Ivan. We all know you guys are incapable of targeting anything smaller than a small town.
Sorry, you’ll have to do better than that to outdo Airdrop’s fatuous comments.
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn……
Care to condemn Russia’s illegal invasion of sovereign and democratic Ukraine. Or the Russian Orc army’s raping, looting, murdering of unarmed civilians or torture?
Johnski you need to shove off and stop your toxic nonsensical and plain incorrect twaddle.
That seems to be in line with current Russian artillery doctrine of flattening a large area in the hope they might actually hit a meaningful target.
The evidence in the fields is evidence of that doctrine for most of last year, probably due to it being the way they were taught, lots of munitions and their paucity of recon drones and smart shells. I would suggest that it is no longer the case as we see fewer artillery barrages as they are now up to speed with drones, especially Orlan-10 and use many more Krasnopol smart shells and suicide drones like the X wing Lancent.
Dumb morons firing dumb projectiles, suns up the Russian rapists, well done johnskie!
How does posting a comment like that add to the knowledge base or reputation of the site. You are ex military so should be able to make an intelligent comment on what I said.
See, your getting angry Johnskie! My posts are quite simple, to enable you to understand, as my posts are from a free thinker, yours are a controlled Nazi/illegal invasion supporting troll account since 2104!
Straight from this place most likely – https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency
Interesting, most likely cheers 👍
There was even one turned up on my football teams (not saying which team to avoid humiliation 🤣) message board spouting crap about ukraine being the aggressor etc.
There was one very long thread on there about the war which must have caught someone’s attention. The poster was clearly not a natural born English speaker despite his/her/it’s attempts to sound like one.
Presumably a site like UKDJ warrants a more literate shill to try and twist the minds of its readers.
Because Airborne’s comments are factually correct, unlike your propaganda.
So how is the Russian advance you told us about going? You know the one from Kherson to Odesa?… 😆
Many if not most of his comments in his responses to me are personal insults so hardly factually correct.
As we all know expectations change in war. That was one of them, amongst others that I have written about over the past 11 months. The Russians clearly decided that that would be ‘a bridge too far’ so to speak and, given the NATO support that was arriving that they would be better off with a shorter frontline.
Airborne described Russian artillery as “dumb morons firing dumb projectiles” – I’d describe that as factually accurate. When you support a totalitarian regime that without provocation invades other countries, murdering, maiming and raping their populations and pillaging whatever they can, you should expect criticism and push-back. Consider yourself lucky you just get insults, in other countries you’d be put on trial for your views. However, we live in a free society, unlike Russia where even calling it a “war” gets your imprisoned. Funny, because while everyone else was predicting the Russian collapse in western Kherson and retreat across the Dniper… Read more »
Do we need some of his old most amusing and (always ignored by him) sad nonsense claims and posts, cut and pasted once more, to re-iterate his propaganda and Putin fanboy nonsense.
I’m not sure he’s worth the effort… and if someone didn’t see them first time round they might think we invented them, they’re that unbelievable.
Is it me, but does he seem to be getting more pompous? Probably thinks it’s a substitute for not being able to claim the moral high-ground.
Yes, veering into delusional narcissism with his claim that one of his posts above was the most significant on the thread. It was complete bullshit.
Reminds me of the 1st lot of Nazis in 1945. History is repeating itself.
In essence Russia has claims of wonder weapons. Magical new forces coming soon to the field of battle. Glorious newly appointed generals who will turn the tide of the war. All sounds very similar to Germany in 1944-1945
Yes mate, but it’s more to do with the last couple of months he was pretty much silent due to the Nazis Orcs getting shown their arses. But now as the Wagner nonce squad have dragged out a few gains of a couple of hundred metres and the fantasy Zircon frigate is floating about, he thinks things are on the up and then flaps his lips once more about them. But you know him, he has no moral high ground, as he is a fully paid up troll farm Nazi supporter, and supports an illegal invasion of a sovereign nation… Read more »
No, I just incorporate the odd bit of terminology, its up to you how you take it. But either way, you spout shit, people will tell you you spout shit….put your handbag down!
Seconded.
Oh I see so recent Ukraine advances were allowed by Russia as a tactic to shorten their lines, prepare for winter and simplify logistics?
All very plausible were it not for the thousands of troops left behind. The thousands that surrendered and the hundreds of pieces of military hardware Ukraine captured. Enough hardware to supply 2 armoured brigades I believe the BBC said. You’ve definitely simplified your logistics. You don’t need to supply those troops or vehicles anymore as they don’t belong to you anymore. They are now in possession of the UA. Slava Ukraine
I’d like to know whether the Moskva is still being fixed after it’s accidental fire? Care to comment Johnski?
That’s been Russian doctrine since the Russians first obtained artillery. Precision and avoiding collateral damage are foreign concepts to the Russian military.
The lessening of barrages isn’t down to smarter use by the Orcs – there’s an oxymoron – it’s due to them expending so much munitions that they’re having to use much older and less reliable stocks.
Bit difficult to build smart munitions and drones when you’ve been embargoed from buying semiconductors 😆
Still defending the Russian rape army I see…
‘The incident almost led to war between the British Empire and the Russian Empire’ however before it could begin thanks to the Japanese there was nothing left to fight.
The irony is, the Japanese celebrate this destruction of the Russian fleet by still flying the flag that the admiral flew at the start of the battle – it’s the Japanese equivalent of “England expects”.
As for the particular flag that was flown?…..
It was the “Z” pennant 😏
As a question are the ships which escort Russian ships up our stretch of the Channel and North Sea actually fitted with ASM (just in case)
I would imagine that it boils down to what is actually available to sail…
probably not, but it looks like they’re in cannon range at least
No, not fitted. Rules of engagement wouldn’t allow over the horizon engagements anyway for this type of operation. This is standard duties for the RN. Shadowing operations have been going on for decades. RAF Typhoons holding QRA also don’t always carry AMRAAM/Meteor now, as rules of engagement require a visual identification. 4 x ASRAAM is the usual fit now.
Not sure that’s true
There are plenty of authentic pictures and videos of RAF QRA aircraft armed to the teeth. 4 AMRAAM . 8 ASRAAM+ Canon. From late last year and even within last few weeks. Just take a peek. I spent less than 2 minutes checking and found your statement to be incorrect I’m afraid.
Also plenty of pictures of them carrying just 4 X ASRAAM. It is common for QRA aircraft to only carry short range missiles due to rules of engagement. Some recent pictures of Typhoons departing Coningsby Armed have been for sorties over Eastern Europe.
Yeah, they’ve always been fully armed. He’s talking nonsense.
Sometimes they send Batch 1 Rivers to do the shadowing, so not always, no. But halfway between Britain and France, what are they going to do? Start an all out shooting war and get peppered by Exocet from one side and Sea Venom from the other?
Well exactly, may as well just open the latch on the bottom of the ship saying plug.
A brimstone armed typhoon would make a mess of a frigate
That close and in sea lanes the medium gun would be a better option, it would not take more than a couple of 4.5 inch shells to mission kill. In fact from that picture I think they would be within minimum as I think the AGM84 block 1C has a minimum range of 13,000 meters, I may be wrong but that’s what’s on a couple of data bases. Also CAMM could dump 100kgs of missile into at mach3-4 into its machine space…that would do it.
It’s line of sight. So a 4.5inch gun. Lynx with martlett. 20mm and 30mm guns and torpedo tubes with magazine launch system all very useful. The type 23 can, could and probably would be able to sink that Russian piece of shit frigate. Besides seems the Ruskies have a problem with damage control.
Sink it…hell no
Board it!
Knife between the teeth and billy clubs!
Joking aside an RM boarding team would take over the upper deck in short order.
After that you could do what you want.
T23 has 32 Sea Ceptor that are now also anti surface capable. Ok its not a Harpoon but a few of those top diving in At Mach 3 will ruin your day. Add to that the 4.5 Gun for anti surface and whatever the helo has.
MTLS with Sting Ray despite what some say is not a viable anti surface weapon due to the draft of the vessel being relatively shallow.
Business as usual.
Is it accompanying TUG or Tanker?
This is the lauded single Frigate Mad Eye Putin declared was deploying to the north Atlantic armed with Zircon hypersonic missiles that are unbeatable, invincible wonder weapons the whole of NATO should be scared off.
Except it’s just one frigate and an accompanying tanker. Any number of NATO assets could send her to the bottom in very quick order.Are NATO worried or scarred. No doubt that very much. Vigilance and dutiful watchkeeping are the order of the day.
The frigate was involved in an exercise off Norway a day or so ago, she is now en route to exercises off Syria. If past similar journeys are anything to go buy she will pay a port visit in Algeria. The Zircon is unstoppable in the eyes of the US military, so they must be concerned. Any military worth its salt would be wary of a ship carrying that weapon. As you say “vigilance”. Were it to come to it of course any number of NATO assets could sink her, preferably before she launched any weapon, as she is in… Read more »
Nearly all new technology has an edge when it first comes out and then only until its countered and the next big thing comes along. The US supposedly close to deploying there own hypersonic missle system on the USS Zumwalt—in 2025, so then its all square again.
Don’t try to educate a pork troll mate, he has his agenda to push and will never challenge a post which challenges/rips his apart! He is however amusing!
Its a pity most of your posts fail to achieve even that low bar. You obviously had nothing to contribute on that subject so why belittle yourself?
The lowest bar on here is your continued support for an illegal invasion and the murder and rape of civvies! Now that’s a low bar!
AB, your right of course. Theres no doubt the Russkies have some good kit, but then its only as good as its operators and you have to doubt their ability even at the top levels like loosing their top Black Sea ship to a couple of guys with a Playstation controller and drone. JIMK can spout what he likes but its clear to a blind man the Russian Army have been shown to be poor and and unable to adapt on the battlefield, thinking that just numbers will win them the day.
Very true. They appear to be close to getting the first example working, they finally had a successful test. But that particular missile could have a difficult future according to Drive due to lack of funding. The US looks to be progressing several similar projects at the same time. Whether it will be aircraft or ship launched seems to be rather political. As to a date, that is a bit of string methinks.
The first US hypersonic weapon is actually ground launched. Its the Long-Range Hypersonic Weapon (LRHW) and will become operational this year. Ignore the hype(Pun intended) coming from Russia and China. Many of the most knowledgeable people on the subject matter will tell you that the US is now in the lead when it comes to the hypersonic weapon development race. The CPS (navy) and ARRW (air force) which just had another successful test is farther along in development than people realize. There are at least another 3 unclassified hypersonic weapon program in development at the moment and most likely some… Read more »
If you are going to contradict me please at least be accurate rather than mislead others here. This took me 30 secs to find this on the US Congressional Research Service site “Flight Test Delays In October 2022, it was reported the Department of Defense (DOD) delayed a scheduled LRHW test in order to “assess the root cause of the June [2022] failure.” Reportedly, the delayed test will be rescheduled to the first quarter of FY2023” So the first to get through testing was not ground launched it was, as you and I wrote, the ARRW which had its first… Read more »
Maybe the reason it only took you 30 secs was because the first article you found supported your confirmation bias. Maybe if you had searched another 30sec more you would have seen that the army is sticking to it’s planned fielding date. Link below. Soldiers have been training with replica rounds for over a year now. (See image below) Try harder to cope with reality. “The service is holding to its planned fielding date, already training with the ground support equipment at Joint Base Lewis-McChord, Washington. This includes soldiers moving the equipment onto C-17s and exercising its use, says Lt.… Read more »
JohninMK
1 day ago
‘If you are going to contradict me please at least be accurate rather than mislead others here.’
This has to be satire surely.
It does seem to be US policy to roll out products when half tested. This missiles June failure was spectacular. Mind you it makes sense to get the infrastructure in place even if the missile is delayed. At the moment the planned fielding date may not actually be met. No-one knows.
It seems to be Russian policy to invade countries with a military half tested and trained.
Ah, the embittered old communist is back. No one is any more concerned about the posturing of this frigate than any other Russian weapon system over the years. It may not even be fitted with the so called wonder missile. They’re hypersonic for only part of their trajectory anyway and the best defence against them is the certainty that Russia will be reduced to a smoking ruin and back to the stone age if it attempts to fire that weapon against a Western target. The doctrine of MAD hasn’t been superseded because of hypersonics.
OMG Johnskie may have to reply to you and defend his post and stance……oh maybe not, as normal it’s his usual projected and dictated agenda he is having to push and dissent from other posters does not compute 😂!
That is not what the US is saying and I suggest that, having monitored the Russian tests, they know more about it than you or I. Much of the attack profile is unknown publicly, all we know is based on back of the envelope calculations that imply an average speed of Mach 9 for 1000+km traveling at 35km high. This missile does not have a nuclear warhead so its use would not automatically lead to WW3, it would depend on the circumstances. Indeed MAD is thankfully still alive and well. Were Russia a smoking ruin I wouldn’t hold out much… Read more »
You monitoring Russian tests !! Ha ha ha, pull the other one, it has bells on it !! You do seem inordinately proud of this supposed wonder missile, I wonder if you are projecting a subliminal fantasy about Putin’s manhood. They are not new, and they don’t have the capability you ascribe to them. Their range is less than you say and because of the laws of physics that are probably way above your payscale, they are not hypersonic in their terminal phase. You’re convincing no one but yourself that we should all be cowering beneath tables whenever this frigate… Read more »
I wrote that it was the US monitoring the tests, not me. It is new, go on, can you name another deployed hypersonic cruise missile? The US military is in a far better position to evaluate the risk this weapon presents than you or me so I take their comments over yours. When they say that it is a weapon that they have no defence against do you really think that they are not concerned as to the location of its potential launchers? I don’t see why anything I said would result in the reactions you describe. I write what… Read more »
According to you the US military says it has no defence against it. However I expect the truth is a lot different. We know that your version of facts and truth are about as accurate as a stopped watch so not too much should be based on your belief.
The fact that it’s a ‘cruise ‘ hypersonic is immaterial, it’s not new technology, and the hospital or school it’s aimed against won’t be able to tell the difference.
OK so it is the first.
That it is a ‘cruise’ type missile is very material as they have unpredictable flight paths whilst all hypersonic missiles to date have been ballistic on predictable paths (except perhaps for the Iskander and its Kinzal air launched brother).
The combination of unpredictable flight path and at say 150 miles a minute is what makes a new technology missile like the Zircon so dangerous.
You have just perfectly illustrated my point that the laws of physics pass completely over your head. Much like everything else. At hypersonic speeds they don’t have unpredictable flight paths, the physical forces acting on them would tear them apart.
Jesus wept, but you haven’t a clue, has no one in your troll farm read a physics book?
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We are not talking loops or high G 90 degree turns, so why would very small changes in direction tear them apart?
If you have to ask that question, then you’ll never know. Unlike your narratives, the laws of physics don’t change.
Oh you are so tough on johnskie, he is told what to type and doesn’t have a clue about any of it!!!
So you don’t know?
Unlike you, I understand physics very well.
OK, I admit that I failed O level physics but better brains than me are turning the SM-6 into a hypersonic SAM which is likely to need to change course.
Better brains notwithstanding, the laws of physics remain constant. Course changes happen at slower speeds.
Incidentally, another example of Russian missile targeting was displayed when they slammed an old 70’s era anti ship missile into an apartment in Dnipro.
What part of warcrime do you not understand?
The part that has a top advisor to Zelensky saying in a video’d interview that UA AD hit the, incoming to a local TPP, probable KH-22′ missile causing the wreckage to fall on the building.
That is a risk with AD, if unlucky, the remains of two missiles fall on an unintended, often civilian, location. As per the UA AD S-300 into Poland last year.
See my posts on the subject at the bottom of this thread.
You’re always going to have a problem accepting the realities of Russian warcrimes when your grief at the fall of the old Soviet Union informs your every waking moment. Add in your hatred for Ukraine and the former Soviet bloc countries, your contempt for western democracy and freedoms and it makes you a compelling study in self loathing.
Just to compound your error, that same official has resigned saying that he was mistaken in his tweet and has apologised to the relatives of the people murdered in the Russian attack. He also confirmed that currently Ukraine does not have the capability to shoot down that particular type of missile that was aimed at the apartment block.
Your additional posts on the subject are similarly full of shit.
And just how many missiles can this wonderful all powerful frigate deploy. Jane’s defence analysis puts the maximum number carried at 8-12. So capable of some damage for sure but not enough to survive against even a type 23 at visual range.
It looks more heavily armed than ours, with a 130mm gun, 2×8 AshM, 2×16 SAM, 2×4 Anti sub/torpedo so a well armed multirole ship. You can count the cells in this large photo https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJ-aFp4XoAAyecr?format=jpg&name=4096×4096
Its not what you got its how you use it! Has no female ever told you that!
… and that’s the point it’s a (probably) a very decent frigate but that’s it, it’s nothing special, missile count has never been the highest priority on RN vessels, though the next gen of frigates will be much more flexible in this regard (if not from launch likely sadly) but I wouldn’t give any Russian frigate much of a lifespan against any US alternative or indeed most others like new Australian and Canadian frigates but at best it’s of similar ability but it’s the world wide strategic advantages western navies have ( if properly exploited) in information, sharing and tactical… Read more »
Theoretically you are correct and potentially that’s the big and dangerous difference, but that’s the paper theoretical ideal but in reality how achievable effective manoeuvring is at hypersonic speeds so far has not been reliably witnessed from anyone, geez even North Korea claims they have achieved it. Marginal manoeuvring is probably in practice achievable but anyone who seriously studies claimed technological advances when you study it more deeply you realise that claims or guided presumptions from the source rarely live up to objective analysis and no one is going to be able to do that with these military weapons unless… Read more »
We are trying to put meat on a highly classified product. All we know really comes out of films of its tests, which will have been edited. Whether the US comments about its potency were made, as in the Cold War, to boost R&D on their product we can only guess at. As for as technical objectives, as I understand it ‘marginal maneuvering’ is what they are after, say under 10 degrees, which would allow the missile to ‘jink’ randomly on its course making it very difficult for a system to calculate interception points and, given the speed, make course… Read more »
Installing computer modems for famous writers on one thread to failing to understand aerodynamics and physics on another.
The far fetched tales of the amazing bullshitting man.
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Where was my comment on aerodynamics wrong?
‘Marginal manoeuvring ‘ File it in the same bin as your tosh around bio labs, nazis, denial of warcrimes, Moskva being afloat, and all the other Russian bullshit you spout.
So, no technical response. Just as a random example, do you think that the US is wasting its money developing the SM-6 Block IB as a hypersonic SAM that almost by definition will need to maneuver?
Do you mean the 49 or so bio labs in Ukraine that Ms Nuland of the US State Department admitted to in Congress last March?
The claim about bio labs is fatuous, debunked crap . There are labs of various descriptions and purposes near where I live, it doesn’t make them part of any US weapons program, strange that the Russian military hasn’t been able to provide a single example of one. The hospital that you claim to be visiting no doubt has laboratories, are they deserving of a missile attack? And no, not a technical response, I don’t pretend to have advanced knowledge of rocket science and aerodynamics, but other, more knowledgeable posters on here have explained how hypersonic manoeuvres to any degree are… Read more »
Plenty of open source info around on Pershing 2 that was a ballistic missile, fast, radar homing with a manoeuvrable warhead. To do that it slowed down to home other wise the G forces on manoeuvring and the chance of toppling where to great. Large jinxs where not an option . You move a control surface or Pif Paf system you go off target and then need to get back on . So a little move at high speed means a big movement away from the aim point. Trig, vectors, force and Physics are immutable. Weather and atmospherics cause Nose… Read more »
Thank you for that. No doubt the Zircon is similarly protected and tiny movements are all that is needed in an attacking missile whilst a SAM may need to change course more violently.
The problem is US experts always claim deficiencies so as to encourage new defence spending, after all it’s how 5 years ago they got them to re-invest in their own hypersonic programmes after many years when they were both dismissed as not worth the cost/performance investment (after all they were urea’s ahead at the turn of the century with their X programmes et al. Equally that decision was secured by what was thought to be the peace dividend which sadly has proven to be a mirage, some might claim a naive vision. However now that their programmes have been revived… Read more »
You may well be right, the technological capability of the US should never be underestimated especially when they set their resources onto a particular task. But the Russians are ahead in this field so are presumably working on upgraded versions. The Zircon is apparently designed to fit into Kalibre tubes, so they will likely be in Russian attack submarines next. A frigate carrying claimed to be carrying hypersonic missiles is clearly not a game changer as it is too vulnerable but represents a new risk that needs to be monitored. Were there to be a major conflict then any ship,… Read more »
Ah, so now your dangerous frigate of doom, is, er, not actually the frigate of doom you claim it to be! FFS troll farm boy at least have the balls to stand up and defend the position and opinion you have been told to voice!
Why would I defend a claim not made by me?
Yaaawn more silly efforts at distraction and not answering challenges to your propaganda! You are getting boring and need to make more of an effort! But I have to say as a 76 year old living in Milton Keynes you spend a lot of time on the internet and very late at night!!!!
Indeed I do, one of the advantages of being retired, late nights and late to rise.
There is a reason that nuclear missiles have rarely been attached to surface vessels certainly. While no one has demonstrated that a missile travelling at hypersonic speed can successfully hit a moving vessel and particularly at any range that would leave the firing vessel immune from its own destruction. It’s relatively easy to rig evidence or announced performance to suggest a weapon can do something far more difficult to achieve it especially in realistic conditions. Hypersonic weapons are definitely something you want as long as long as the extra speed enhances its achievable ability but it’s also exploited without question… Read more »
If the weapon actually works as the Ruskies claim, doubtful they can come up with a super-duper beat all weapon that nobody else has, we all know how they like to stretch the truth. They bragged about how super and world beating weapons they used in Ukraine, we now see how poorly many of their systems worked.
That’s why the T14 Aramata is a joke. If they were any good they would have deployed them to Ukraine.
Its design is no joke with better protection for the crew. Why would you deploy and risk them if you don’t need to? The T-90M seems to be enough. There are very few recent pictures of destroyed tanks in Ukraine. Latest estimate is that only around 50 have been made as effectively pre production and initial production samples. No doubt they are waiting to see if they need to incorporate changes, based on Ukraine, before they make more, choosing to make more T-90M instead.
Pardon, why not deploy your supposed best and most effective/crew safe weapon system in a major war which you have continuously fucked up since day one! Why not indeed eh? FFS give you silliness a tea break troll farm kid! They don’t mid floating about the super duper special Zitcon NATO approved target, so why no T14s in Ukraine. Simple, its shite, not actually a real fighting vehicle and the Nazis don’t give a fuck about their people. Next!
Well as they are full of ‘western’ tech obtained by whoever the likely hood of any more being made is very slim indeed due to the sanctions. Make more T90s? If that was possible why waste resources in refurbishing T62? Still dream on Orcy boy Polish border with all these new tanks next week!
As an aside where are the photos of the 4 Bradley’s the Orcs claim to have destroyed? Pretty remarkable don’t you think as they are not even there yet🙄
The Orcs now have a time machine they have developed and it is now deployed in Ukraine, next to the invisible T14, just down the road from the wonder weapon Zircon missile park, which is not far from the 5th gen SU57 (😂😇) which isn’t far from the stolen Zanussi washing machine processing centre………
We don’t know what tech is in the Zircon but it is likely that it is all Russian. All we know about production is that it started last summer. Making a tank from scratch takes a lot more effort and resources than renovating and bring up to date an older one. When you need as many as possible it makes sense to do both.
Zircon tech? Most likely stolen zanussi washing machine motor, an Amazon bought Garmin GPS on a deal, about £90 and a few other bits of 80s shite! As for your T14, as I’ve already asked, why not deploy your supposed best “wonder weapon” in a peer-peer war, where you are losing more men and kit than your opponent? Sigh no answer as no answer is allowed….
I’m here. Sorry but that suggestion is just ridiculous, the supply of micros from the washing machines ran out months ago as remaining stocks had to be shipped to Iran for their drone program.
As I replied before, why use the T-14 Amata when the T-90M is doing perfectly well against whatever the UA has left? You must also be one of the few who think that Russian casualties are higher than Ukraine’s.
Ha ha ha a most amusing effort at distraction by your final sentence of casualties, in an effort at not answering the T14 question! Why develop such a “special” fighting vehicle if your not going to let it fight? Your T90 nonsense is just that. No real answer from a no real person.
Distraction? Not me, it was you.
You raised the point first “where you are losing more men and kit than your opponent”
Any attacking force will lose disproportionately more men and equipment than a defending force, and the current and previous casualty lists and equipment of the Nazis losses pretty much prove that. So, next?
Your comment should be prefaced by ‘Prior to the war in Ukraine it was generally accepted that ………’
Especially as many regard the UA and especially Azov, as being the actual Nazis. Then it is spot on.
Anyway it was still you not me that raised the point first.
Nope, not at all. Azov are beginners in the Nazi game compared to your hero Putin and his Nazi army of rapist and nonces. And your lack of military experience is showing but your troll qualities continue to show through. And the Russias are losing more men a day equipment, no matter what you would like to think or told to write.
Men and equipment
No one but embittered old communists regards the UA as nazi. Can you explain how you get to a point where you ignore the adventurist land grab attempt by Russia, the nationalist, nazi racist rhetoric from Moscow, the filtration camps, the summary executions of Ukrainian civilians, the imprisonment without trial, the abductions into Russia, the attacks on civil infrastructure and Ukrainian history and somehow conclude that it is Ukraine, with its democratically elected government and Jewish president has a nazi problem?
Just how pathetic and delusional are you?
And the destroyed Bradley’s?
Was that aimed at me? I’ve made no comment re any destroyed Bradley.
Well as your so full of propaganda for the Orcs just thought you would like to comment on your ‘generals’ comment four have been destroyed already🙄
The Armata has good paper design but has suffered serious delays. It was employed in Llbya where it reportedly failed to impress and as such was reworked to solve its problems involving yet more delays. It will be a real shock to see it in Ukraine if the threat from NATO is taken seriously they would need them all, too few are available and if they were seen to be taken out in Ukraine it would be a disastrous PR effort I’m afraid. If it happens like Su 57s doing donkey work it would be a real sign of desperation.… Read more »
Think you meant Syria not Libya.
Oh dear, the Zitcon (not a spelling error) is not actually of a major concern to the US, any longer, it’s time for some research by yourself for a change which doesn’t involve Putin in his pants!! And I believe that HMS Portland was issued with extra fire fighting equipment prior to this task, to put out the fires on board the floating Russian flotsam if and when they try to do anything warlike which would have taken some training and skill set, which would result in them setting themselves on fire and sinking!
I thought for this mission that HMS Portland had had its helicopter replaced with something more terrifying to Russians…
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😂😂😂 Mate, they see a tractor on Portlands flight deck and they will all be looking at setting their floating Jimmy Savile clubhouse on fire and drifting home on a life raft!!!
Anyway it would appear your average Russian sailor struggles to use a water tight door and a fire extinguisher never mind a Jimmy Saville zitcon missile!
What altitudes does Zircon enter and exit hypersonic speeds?
Above my pay grade.
That’s a 4 spud troll grade answer, not a 2 spudder like Johnskie.
You overestimate my value, I’m a packet of Mash operative.
Operative makes you sound professional, we like to use the term appeaser.
Unstoppable, but hilariously inaccurate as per all Russian munitions. Hypersonic means it simply misses its target faster 😆
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That’s not even amusing.
It’s both amusing and accurate – the latter adjective not being applicable to Russian missiles 😏
As they say, many a true word spoken in jest, but you wouldn’t recognise that because you have no sense of humour. You need to lighten up and stop reading “Das Kapital”, “Mein Kampf”, “First Person”, etc, and all the other such books that inspire you…
might I suggest “Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy” perhaps?
Strange you should say that as I have a copy signed by Douglas Adams, God rest his soul, back in 1983 when I installed a high tech V22 1200bps! modem in his flat in Islington. Nice man. As to humour I have a good collection of Asterix.
I suspect if he were still around he’d want that signed copy back, he’d be so disgusted by your support for war crimes.
Yes it is, and spot on.
I thought it was the Admiral Kuznetsov, Looks about the same pile of nuts and bolts.
It can’t be, it is not trailing a smoke screen.
Aren’t the Gorshkov class the ones where they ran out of Ukrainian-build engines, because having invaded Crimea and promoted insurrection in Donbas, those ungrateful Ukrainians wouldn’t sell them any? I seem to recall stories that they were looking to swap one of the two good engines from the second in class to make the third one work, at least until engine production in Russia improved, but gave up.
Correct, the first in class “Admiral Gorshkov” and the first serial “Admiral Kasatonov” have Ukrainian gas turbine units, whilst the third “Admiral Golovko” launched in May 2021 has a completely Russian power plant.
Its a modern very well armed (16 AshM, 32 SAM) multirole ship. This is a large photo https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJ-aFp4XoAAyecr?format=jpg&name=4096×4096
Nice looking NATO target, shouldn’t last too long, as if NATO don’t sink it the crew will.
Don’t know about anyone else but I’m absolutely terrified that this Zircon equipped frigate is even less than 100 miles from our coast. Did they wave the white flag at Dover I wonder. Seriously though if it were 100 miles off the Potomac and got a little frisky how long and with what would our cousins send it to the bottom I wonder, any thoughts?
If it was 10miles off our coast I’d be worried, but at 100miles with Russian accuracy they’re more likely to hit Dublin or Paris, assuming the thing actually launches…
Likely heading for planned exercises with the Chinese and South African navies in February …
South African? Jeez…
Long history of close relations between ANC and Russians/Soviets.
Planned February exercise may or may not take place, but South Africans and Russians seem to be up to something given mysterious Russian ship in Cape Town.
Lasers are faster then Hyper sonic Missiles, it’s beatable. But would have to be used in time.
Sorry shippers. Lasers on ships wont and dont work like that. It would require a laser in the multi Mega/Gigawatt range to hit something at a reasonable range (20Km) travelling at that speed. Thats not going to happen for decades. Modern systems including the US and RN systems in use and under development will be good against slow drones, surface boats and some sub mach cruise missiles. What they bring to the party is deep magazine depth and cheap shots/kill against low cost targets. A 3-4 mil USD SM6 against a 50K drone is not good for the bank balance… Read more »
Send HMS Duncan to bum them to death. 🦄🏳️🌈👍🏿
GS wrote:
Yes, HMS Portland is a ‘warship’. It can actually infict damage. We have other vessels that can send a very stern note to the Russians via Instagram. FFS!!!
Interesting link on the 2023 defence budget for those who might have an interest.
A whole different world. 177k in the marine corps alone! Just a glance at those numbers and it tells you that US military dominance is not going anywhere anytime soon.
I was a little bit surprised myself, I found the section on the F-22 interesting.
Looks like they have finally accepted the phasing out of the A-10
They might hold onto them as the A10 is great at brewing up Russian tanks
The USAF has wanted to get rid of them for years but was stopped by Congress and the Army. Now Congress has relented it looks like the door for them. As to destroying Russian tanks, the life of an aircraft like the A-10 in a current AD environment may be very short. As shown in Ukraine, the way of the future is likely ATGM, drones (armed and suicide), drones spotting for guided shells/missiles and maybe helicopters.
Can you do us a favour and just switch on your mobile phone for a moment? – some guy called Captain Himars was asking about calling you?
The US just wanted to call and say hi.
US ha ha ha you wish Fan boy!
Totally agree with you on that assessment, the Ukrainians have by all reports no interest in them. Yesterdays technology as the SU-25 experience shows. Death traps for both sides.
Hard to believe that they are still using the stern-to-bow UNREP method that they did back in the day when the crews were poorly trained conscripts . . . wait, what? the crews are STILL poorly trained conscripts?
I am SHOCKED, I tell you, SHOCKED!!
A complete tangent… but did I see somewhere that the “Ajax” has finally been given the all clear for service today by Ben Wallace?!
It’s in the Mail but how long do RGT trails take?
OOO. That’s always news.
Except: I can only find the Daily Mail report. Nothing from the Army, MOD or General Dynamics. Possibly an old or misinterpreted comment by Chalk. I can’t find anything new.
I did find this link from December, but no others to corroborate it.
https://www.overtdefense.com/2022/12/06/uks-trouble-ajax-afv-enters-next-trials-stage/
Does the Daily Mail know something no one else does? Lol.
No real surprise if accurate, considering what our own Ian M has been saying for months now concerning the testing at ATDU.
RGT are now commencing and issues addressed.
Desperately late though.
Morning Daniele, well on the upside all parties have potentially salvaged something of “themselves” from this saga and should by now know every square inch of this machine! We all hope it’s a good one and the Army needs some new kit and good for morale too. The Ascod platform can’t be too bad if also recently used on the US light tank and Israeli Sabrah light tank which must also weigh quite a bit, but I think these also have the longer chassis?
Hi, the MPFS platform for the US has 6 roadwheel pairs per side, so I’d infer from that the hull is actually shorter.
Cheers
In the picture above, why not edit the caption words into a less interesting portion of the image 🙂
Is it me or does it look like that old tanker is towing the frigate.
That’s how the Russian’s RAS. They trail the cable / hose over the stern of the tanker for the warship to be refueled to ‘recover’.
I think western navies used the same system during WW2, but moved onto the side RAS system as it allows two ships to be refueled at the same time and dry stores to be transfered at the same time as well.
It also requires a lot more skill…
Cheers CR
That is really interesting cheers CR, I did not think anyone still used the astern method anymore. I will have to read up now.
Astern RAS is still used and practised.
STUFT tankers can have an astern rig fitted easily and it then gives you the ability to use something that isnt grey to get fuel.
It doesnt have the CuM capacity of a side by side NATO Probe rig or QRC so it takes a lot longer to get fuel onboard.
Have you ever heard of Chester Nimitz? He kind of figured out the refueling deal. And that was in world war I.
That will be the guy that his parents named him after an aircraft carrier wasnt it?
WW2 he was probably best commander of forces/ Fleet admiral that the USN had in the Pacific.
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That’s crazy, fancy naming your son after an aircraft carrier! Bet you wish you could be named after an American eh?
OT but from “Navy Lookout” The first of a long-awaited 6-part documentary series “The Warship: Tour of Duty” covering the Royal Navy’s Carrier Strike Group deployment (May-December 2021) will be broadcast on BBC Two and iPlayer on Sunday 22nd January 2023 at 9pm.
Slightly off topic, but I see the Patriot PAC3 MSE missile is being offered to fit the MK 41 vertical launcher. Might be a good option for future MK41 RN ships to defend themselves against advanced anti ship missiles.
That’s interesting but is Patriot the best option? Not up on this because I believe Patriot system from what I heard recently may not be a single missile type, others will know better than me here and I don’t know what updates are in line. But a useful option perhaps at least.
PAC3 MSE is the anti missile variant. GEM-T is the anti aircraft version. Online Patriot missile prices are quoted as anywhere between $2m to $9.5m. Depends on which year & which variant they are talking about. Most recent posts quote $4m to $5m.
Just to add that there is a Naval News video on youtube about SNA 2023, which covers this PAC3/MK41.
The Mk41 launcher now has such a large installed base that ir seems everyone and his brother in the missile market is trying to get theirs into it. It must have been really frustrating for L-M, who build the MK41, to see the Raytheon SM family of missiles being used in their product. Now that their Patriot is mature they look to be trying to displace their competitor.
At the same time BAE is offering a 4 round multipack fitting for a MK41 tube. Dog eat dog out there after the huge amounts of money available.
Bae… Cutting edge stuff there
I am curious to know why Russia didn’t massively reinforce its black sea fleet before the war. They must have known NATO/Turkey would close the straight.
Good question, arrogance and complacency I would say, which completely disproves the continued blurb about all going well because this frigate and other offensive vessels would certainly have been useful there rather than the landing ships they sent instead to work with the generally lightweight existing ships. Mind you the landing ships have been useful in helping supply Crimea now that it’s impregnable bridge is worse for wear.
Agree with your reasoning, they probably also thought that the Turks would let Black Sea based ships in. Just as aircraft are vulnerable to SAMs, tanks to ATGM so ships are to AShM as per the Moscow, so it might be a good thing they are not there. They don’t seem to have run out of launchers for Kalibres, using frigates in the Black Sea and missile boats in both the Black and Caspian Seas. It looks like the that landing ship role is coming to an end as the repair work on the second roadway is just about finished.
Ha ha ha haaaa ha ha ha 🥲
Apologies if it’s already been mentioned but the new series featuring HMS QE and the carrier strike group mission is being aired for the first time starting Sunday 22nd January. I for one can’t wait to see it! Can’t remember what channel it’s on but I’m assuming it’s Ch 5 like the previous Warship: Life At sea series.
Ooops apologies eXTG3 has beaten me to it!
I believe its BBC this time.
Just have to add after todays appalling strike in Dnipro any argument concerning the supposed accuracy of Russian missiles and the lack of civilian deaths, as at least one person has argued on this thread is a sick joke at best. KH 22 missiles an anti ship missile being used in many of these strikes is notoriously inaccurate indeed up to 800 yards towards its maximum range which is why I guess shopping centres has been its more noted targets in the war. Now one has to ask as this is a near hypersonic missile in ballistic mode and not… Read more »
Did you see the report that Arestovich, advisor to the Chief of Staff to Zelensky, said that the missile that hit the civilian building in Dnepr was shot down by “Ukrainian anti air defense” it subsequently fell down into the house entrance and exploded. Before you dispute it, there is a video of him saying it on Twitter. He is now being accused of being a traitor as it punctured the PR of the incident.
As Ukraine rebuilds its AD with western equipment this situation could become more common.
As Ukraine rebuilds it AD with western equipment this situation could become more common….totally agree johnskie, more Russian flying shite getting shot down en masse! Well said son.
Reports from where? The Kremlin? More specious deflection from you. There are countless instances of Russia deliberately targeting civilian housing, schools, hospitals etc. If Russia wasn’t attacking Ukraine there would be no need for Ukrainian AD . Only a credulous craven like you would spread that bullshit.
What is becoming more “common” is Russia’s deliberate targeting of civilians and civilian infrastructure. They will be held to account! Murderous, evil slaughtering butchers (no pun intended)!
Come on johnskie respond to Spy’s question and defend your oft repeated arguments? Johnskie? Joooooohnskie? Spy, mate, he will read this but ignore your post, as having to answer such a difficult and direct question is against current Nazi troll policy.
Perhaps he is not aware that the KH-22 in original mode has 3 seeker types, including by co-ordinates or that they are being upgraded with the more modern KH-32 seeker? Anyway, this is a more detailed analysis of the incident than mine “So, whatever struck, struck the street only meters in front of the “Victory Embankment 118” building (48.418961, 35.068374) , and the powerful explosion propelled a massive rain of extremely high-velocity shrapnel and fuel ahead of the impact site, striking the building hard, probably also causing a secondary gas explosion in the building and the subsequent collapse of a… Read more »
Map for previous post
https://i.imgur.com/X9rE7fB.png
Who told you to come up with that BDA? More guff from our resident guff giver! But at least you make more of an effort at trolling than the newish fucktard Esteban!
More works of fiction and Kremlin bullshit. You couldn’t tell the truth if your life depended on it.
Odd isn’t it that you suddenly quote supposedly verbatim the words of a Ukrainian government official and have absolute faith in what they have supposedly said, but in other threads, you described the same officials as ‘ masters of part truths and deflection ‘ plus your usual slur of them being nazi.
You’ve been found out again.