David Cameron has rejected claims that a Royal Navy shipbuilding programme has been delayed because the Ministry of Defence has “run out of money”.

At a Defence Select Committee meeting on the procurement of new ships for the Royal Navy, concerns were raised about the apparent lack of £750 million available to fund the construction of the first batch of Type 26 frigates.

Peter Roberts, Senior Research Fellow for Sea Power and Maritime Studies at RUSI has said that slippage in the Type 26 programme may lead to extra ships being built on the Clyde in order to retain jobs at the yards on the river.

“What it’s going to mean for the Clyde is very significant and I think we couldn’t get a national shipbuilding strategy at a more important time and it might well be that we see further OPV’s being turned out on the Clyde”

He also suggested that the Type 31 light frigate could enter build before the Type 26.

Referring to the commitment of the government to the Clyde, he said:

“There is going to be a commitment, we see that from the government, of continued shipbuilding orders.”

The issue was raised at Prime Minister’s Questions by the SNP’s Steven Paterson:

“Yesterday at the defence committee the former first sea lord Admiral Lord West commented that the Ministry of Defence had effectively run out of money for shipbuilding.

Given reports that another Russian submarine has had to be escorted out of the UK waters overnight does the Prime Minister share my concerns that the delays to work beginning at the Clyde ship yards on the new frigates is causing real problems and agree it’s essential that the money is allocated to deliver this programme in full and on schedule?”

Mr Cameron replied:

“It is certainly not the case that this country in any way has run out of money or run out of ambition when it comes to shipbuilding. We are currently building the two largest ships the Royal Navy has ever had and we are going to shortly be commissioning the Type 26 programme as well as the off-shore patrol vessels.

The point I would make to you is there is only one way we could threaten shipbuilding on the Clyde and that would be to pull out of the United Kingdom and see the jobs be decimated as a result.”

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Cameron denied they can’t?

I guess that means they really can’t then!

So where is all the billions of pounds they take from us going ?

Mainly social security, pensions and NHS. They’re the biggest budget items

Adrian Palmer

Including free bus passes for rich pensioners.
Nice ‘work’ if you can get it

Don’t forget to add a few millions for bloody referendums!

Andy hutchinson

maybe if they stopped giving money away in so called foreign aid along with the money given to France to sort the Calais jungle problem out then there would not be an issue….but seeing as all prime ministers only care about the world stage and other countries we will always come second best…

Of course he does

So basically the response to this big risk is that “shortly” the Type 26 program will begin… What is “shortly”? This year (hopefully)?, next year?, early 2018? As great vessels as they are, changing topic to the QE class carriers or the new River class patrol vessels is not any good when needing to know if we have the money to start the new frigate program.

Adrian Palmer

Shame the politicians can always get away with sleight of hand. They never get held to answering the point of the question.

David Cameron is a wanker who as ruined are armed forces with is cuts

They were ruined long before him, every white papers since the 50’s cut something.

Adrian Palmer

Always a review to cut the budget. Never a review of allocating resources to meet commitments.

Btw, anybody know how many RN flag officers there are per active ship?

Leigh Terry no they was not that man is Toxic I love our armed forces they do a brilliant job even at the Iraq war I think wen they were sent with lack of equipment why don’t we send David Cameron into Syria

David cameron didn’t send our troops to Iraq…

Patrick actually every Government has cut the armed forces so blaming Cameron solely is completely incorrect. Labour destroyed the RN Carrier capability in the 1970s which we are only just getting back now.

Anwyay moot point as political discussions are not allowed on this page.

James Gale who is going 2 stop me talking about that wank stain government do u want 2 get stuck up Cameron or sum thing

Mark L

Wow Patrick, how mature you sound. It’s a shame, as this site usually has more grown up comments than you normally get online….

Classy Patrick

I can see an admin request coming.

I still think it would be better to start a type 31 programme first, the 26 looks like it could turn into another 45 drama in that the ship is so complicated it ends up with huge cost overuns and an even smaller number. What the navy needs to good quality ships and soon not floating computers that have so many problems there just not worth it, there is already many hull designs around that the 31 could be based on along with proven weapons to fit it out with.

icecubinhell

the type 31 can be built in Portsmouth, whilst the Clyde builds the type 26, it makes no sense to give all of the ship building to the Clyde.

Harry bulpit

In all fairness dodgy Dave isn’t the first person I’d ask for the truth. Don’t think his word means to much any more.

Hull numbers, along with aircraft numbers in a different conversation, seem to me to be the failure of current defence thinking. I appreciate that highly skilled tech jobs are maintained in certain elements of current programmes, but we do not need sledgehammers to crack walnuts all the time. The carrier group will need its escorts & auxiliaries, but for lower level interventions, usually against RIBs or similar craft, we need a number of simpler corvette sized & type craft. They would also maintain the building skills & facilities. Type 31 will eventually become a financial noose to any government. Small… Read more »

Adrian Palmer

Like the US LCS that the establishment is now turning on.

We need to pull out of the eu and we’re able to afford it very easily … ..

Adrian Palmer

Lol

The trouble is with Cameron’s fiasco regarding the EU referendum can we really believe anything he says?

Steve

If you re-read the press release he doesn’t state that the MOD can’t afford the ships, he says that the UK can afford to build them, which is of course true but it doesn’t mean that the money is going to the MoD, since less than 2% heads that way.

As such, as he didn’t answered a different question to the one directed at him, i suspect there is some truth behind the story.

Adrian Palmer

Won’t the cost of warships drive down hull numbers?

To maintain an ability to deploy anything, won’t we eventually have to accept a cheap and cheerful element in the fleet?

Ian L

Personally I suspect that the Type 26 frigate budget has been “raided” by the MOD to
sort out the faults with the Type 45 destroyer engine failures.(Maybe also to help pay for the earlier ordering of more F35 B fighters).
I cannot see HM Treasury “stumping” the extra money required therefore the Type 26 build schedule has been moved to the right again.

Tony child

CAMERON would sell his own mother if he thought it would save his own neck. He the worst PM can’t be trusted and spin so fast he like a whirling dervish. He and Osborne should be kicked out for sure and as for his promise to the navy about building more ships what a jokey but we could with all the money we would save coming out the EU