The Defence Secretary has announced the name of another Type 26 Frigate, HMS Edinburgh.

The Type 26 Frigates will be named Glasgow, Cardiff, Belfast, Birmingham, Sheffield, Newcastle, Edinburgh and London.

Eight Type 26 Frigates are to be built in total with three in the first batch, the contract for the second batch will be negotiated in the early 2020s.

Ordering in batches is common for projects of this size around the world and was last seen with the Royal Navy for the Type 45 Destroyers and recent Offshore Patrol Vessels. The Type 45s first batch order was for three vessels for example.

A Ministry of Defence spokesman said:

“The Type 26 Frigate is a cutting-edge warship, combining the expertise of the British shipbuilding industry with the excellence of the Royal Navy. These ships will be a force to be reckoned with, there to protect our powerful new carriers and helping keep British interests safe across the world.

The contract is structured to ensure value for taxpayers’ money and, importantly, now designed to protect them from extra bills from project overrun. The investment will secure hundreds of skilled jobs at BAE Systems on the Clyde for the next twenty years, and thousands of jobs in the supply chain across Britain.”

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Cam Hunter

I said it would be, it’s the only uk capital city not named! And it’s the city I was born in… Even though I live in Inverness, maybe one day we will get a new frigate named after the highlanders… It’s brilliant I’m so pleased…. My Dad just died yesterday and I’ve been down to Edinburgh watching him die so this has made me feel a bit better…

Daniele Mandelli

I’m sorry to hear that Cam.

HMS Highlander would be a great name actually.

And your Dads in spirit so knows there will be an HMS Edinburgh.

HMS Inverness sounds familiar to me for some reason?

Lee1

It was a minehunter sold a few years ago.

Daniele Mandelli

Of course. Sandown Class.

Lusty

If HMS Highlander is ever a thing, I propose its motto is ‘There can be only one!’

Daniele Mandelli

Perfect.

Cam Hunter

Thanks it means allot, and thanks to everyone that wished me well, theres actually a really nice bunch of people on here, ??

Trevor G

Just like to add my best wishes. My Dad was born in Edinburgh, and earlier this year my one and only grandson was also born there, so a special place. Myself, I live somewhat to the North of yourself these days.

David Stephen

Sorry to hear that Cam. Best wishes to you and your family.

Geoff

RIP your Father Cam.

Seconded.

Helions

Very…

andy reeves

calm seas fair winds, rest in peace

Cam Hunter

Thanks m8 ?

Lusty

Sorry to hear that, Cam.

Cam Hunter

Cheers m8, Life’s cruel enough without all the defence cuts eh lol ?

james macdonald harrington

Very sorry to hear about your Dad, regards to you.

andy reeves

pointless sap to the media ‘city class’? what fool thought that one up?

Daniele Mandelli

The Admiralty board naming committee id think.

andyreeves

more admirals with nothing to do

Pacman27

My condolences Cam

Celebrate the life, mourn the loss… take care of yourself and those closest to you.

Geoff

Confusing-the headline says-Final Type 26 but the First Sea Lord says the 7th Type 26…
Call me a nitpicker…..

Rob

You are a nitpicker.

You’re welcome 🙂

Geoff I’m sure you’ve been called worse !

andy reeves

NIT!

Levi Goldsteinberg

It’s because the 8th T26 will be HMS London, but for some reason it wasn’t the last name to be announced

Geoff

Thanks for explanation Levi!

Robin Milford

HMS Inverness – second Sandown class Single Role Mine Hunter; sold to Estonia in 2006, now ENS Sakala

Meirion X

A disproportionate number of ASW warships named for Scotland! Why was it not named HMS Liverpool??

Daniele Mandelli

Politics and they are built there?

As it is part of the UK of which I’m immensely proud no problem with that from me.

Callum

Disproportionate? No. Out of 8 ships, all 4 capitals have been covered. 4 English, 2 Scots, 1 Welsh, and 1 Irish is about as perfectly proportioned as you could get

Julian

Easily fixed – build a load more to honour a more English cities. Sadly the not-so-small issues of lack of funding, crew shortages and lack of political will all conspire to thwart my cunning plan.

Cam – I’m also sorry to hear about your dad.

andy reeves

crew shortages/ it was said on the warship(monday channel 5) 9p.m that she was over crewed and there was a shortage of beds. if we really are short on manpower, which, i’m not convinced of, then not a lot is being done about. when people leave the services they should be asked why, then if a matter is constantly voiced the M.O.D knows where to start sorting things, but ‘born in carlisle made in the royal navy’ adverts are a pathetic effort at recruitment.

andy reeves

or swansea,nottingham,newcastle, if fact lets just pick our favourite type 42 names?

andyreeves

lets have a h.m.s gibraltar as a crimbo pressie for sergio and the spanish?

Steve

Maybe actually placing the order for all the ships might have been a more sensible decision than to announce names for ships that will no doubt not be ordered, especially as they have just given more ammo to the SNP once it does get cancelled

Nigel Collins

The first of class will be delivered to the RN in 2027, the delivery date for the last sometime in 2040? lol!

BB85

Still boggles the mind, isn’t the last T23 due to go out of service in 2035? WTF is the treasury playing at? When the ships have an expected service life of 30 years, we know when they need replaced so should schedule them to ensure an efficient build rate, rather than waste £100m refitting knackered ships for an additional 10 years. If the RN is supposed to have at least 30 warships, 6 Destroyers, 13 Frigates, 5 OPV’s, 5 carriers/assault ships then there really needs to be a conveyor belt approach to ensure at least one ship is launched each… Read more »

Nigel Collins

The very point I’ve been making on this forum in relation to the F35. The same thing applies to the RN’s cutting-edge warships. Hence the reason the USA and UK are developing new fighters for the start of 2030.

“A design that is cutting edge in the early 2020s will have to be considerably evolved to avoid ships entering service in the mid-2030s being obsolete.”

https://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/counting-chickens-before-they-hatch-8th-type-26-frigate-to-be-named-hms-london/

Meirion X

Dreadnought program is an example of the MoD wanting a platinum standard for submarine technology. I very much think the Dreadnought program will be the main source of drain of the Royal Navy’s budget, over the next crucial decade for RN fleet procurement. Priced at around £8 billion per sub. is of poor value of money for CASD, and needs to be cancelled. The UK does not need the range of Trident D5 missile. A Trident C4 or like type missile should fit in a Astute class sub. and will be sufficient to cover the range of the North east… Read more »

DaveyB

Not quite, by placing a C4 equipped Vanguard in the Artic Ocean will cover most of China and North Korea. However, it will then be put at more risk as it will be facing more Russian units especially if it has to operate closer to the Russian shore side of the icecap. Also the high cost of the sub is put in the research and design of “quietening” it, especially the reactor pumps to make sure it stays ahead of developing technology. Granted the massive cost of the Dreadnaught class should not be put on the Navy but through the… Read more »

Meirion x I agree with you on Dreadnought but Nuclear weapons come out of the armed forces budget not just the Navies. The pain is spread but still far too much of it.

andyreeves

designs for the type 45 replacements should be started, and not left until the usual last minute

Callum

HMS Glasgow is due to be delivered in 2023, she just won’t be operational until around 2027 as she’ll have FOC trials to conduct. Based on the current schedule, HMS London should be delivered around 2036

BB85

Thanks, hopefully we stick to it 🙂

Geoffrey Roach

Hi Callum,
Please tell me I’ve misread your blog. Tell me it’s not going to take four tears to run her up to full ops?

Geoffrey Roach

Sorry… four years..I think I had tears in my eyes when I replied!

Keithdwat

Seeing as how its taken that long for the carriers to be put into active service, where we have had to completely revitalise a capability we lost and where we are learning new skills, it shouldn’t that the same amount of time to get a pretty simple(ish) ASW frigate into service! It’s all about money unfortunately!

andyreeves

2023? my a*** on the clyde not this decade at the pathetic rate they build ships the battleship dreadnought was built in portsmouth in a year, back in the age of the rivet if that could be done then, the clyde, using modern methods should turn out a 26 AND 31 every year

Harry Nelson

Was disappointed it wasn’t COVENTRY…..

Steve Salt

Even more disappointed it wasn`t Plymouth or Exeter.

Geoffrey Roach

Aye…maybe next time?

andyreeves

when was the last h.m.s portsmouth?

andyreeves

they might even have a type 31 by then, but i doubt it.

OOA

Could have copied the cousins:

HMS Theresa M. May

andy reeves

the less said about the american navy, the better.

Elliott

She isn’t dead or retired so wouldn’t have happened under American naming conventions. The only reason Carter and Bush senior have ships is no one thought they would live this long.

Steve Taylor

Shame. I have a fiver on Princess Sparkle.

andy reeves

how about the commonwealth for the type 31’s? or, better still the admiral class, blake cochrane, fisher, jerico. hardy or even a new nelson? naming ships appears to be more about pleasing the minorities than giving the ROYAL NAVY REAL NAMES, BRING BACK SOME OF THE OLD favourites, fearless, repulse,furiousl temeraire,spartan,warspite e.t.c

Steve Taylor

I like weapons names. I am a bit fed up with place names. But I don’t want big ship names for small ships either.

Battleaxe
Broadsword
Cutlass
Dagger
Crossbow
Culverin
Howitzer
Longbow
Scorpion
Sword
Musket
Lance
Carronade
Claymore
Dirk
Grenade
Halberd
Poniard
Rifle
Spear

Daniele Mandelli

I fear PC has invaded the Admiralty board naming committee like everywhere else. Safe ground with place names and gives affiliation advantages too.

However I agree with you if prefer other names. “Fighty” I called them recently on another thread despite bring shot down in flames.

Steve Taylor

Well perhaps we could have HMS London renamed Stab City or something……..

andyreeves

you forgot h.m.s catapult or conker!

Steve Taylor

HMS CONQueror……..permanent based down south as FIGS.

Frank62

HMS Loganberry?

Spyinthesky

Rodney would be great. However personally I would love to see a new Thunderer and Warrior but that’s my own family connections to TIW coming to the surface.

Stephen

It is insane not to have a Nelson, Britain’s greatest naval hero.

Daniele Mandelli

We have HMS Nelson. Part of HMNB Portsmouth.

Agree though I’d prefer a ship than a stone frigate.

Bob

No Manchester or Liverpool? Quite shocked at that. Bit odd to leave out the north-west. Same with Bristoland Southampton. Yet we get two Scots – an element of ‘sucking up to Scotland’, perhaps? Oh well, let’s hope that they’ll build another couple to complete the regional picture for England.

The riddler

It’s just a name. The biggest concern is that they’ll be average at best by the time they’re operational

Paul T

The Riddler – yes that is my concern too,hopefully as they are being built in batches there should be scope for incremental upgrades and enhancements during the build cycles.I would expect the 8th ship to be noticeably different from the 1st.

Julian

It’s a valid concern but will hull and power generation technology change dramatically between now and the in-service date? For the later ships out into the 2030s I find it inconceivable that the processing systems actually fitted would be the same 2017/2018-ish technology that has presumably been specified for the first vessels. If the latest technologies are substituted in during build then the danger of obsolescence would seem to come from things like laser CIWS and rail guns becoming mainstream and even there maybe those could be substituted into the build specification for later hulls. If those weapons did become… Read more »

Steve Taylor

T26 are going to be big ships. They will have huge generation capacity, Come on, I mean, who builds a warship in these days of fancy things like integrated electrical propulsion and super long range radars without enough organic power?

Spyinthesky

I would presume that as crucial use electronics tend to be 5 to 10 years behind actual state of the art that designers would have a pretty good idea of what they will be dealing with 10 years down the line including power requirements for the most part. Lasers and new developments of that fundamental nature I guess with its ever developing and changing nature will probably represent a tougher predictive assessment mind. I suppose in that circumstance everything has to wait until ship and dyed terms design and weapon system can mutually align whatever the delay involved. Only the… Read more »

Helions

The USN is still trying to figure out the future weapons fit on the Zumwalts. Apparently is will NOT include the AGS gun…

https://breakingdefense.com/2018/11/zumwalt-close-to-losing-gun-but-open-to-ew-and-directed-energy/

However, the ship has so much excess capacity in power generation, comms, and size that they will eventually be formidable strike platforms and the basis for the new USN Large Surface Combatants coming up.

Chhers!

Steve Taylor

You would think they would put a pair of Mk 45 on to them and just design a stealth gun house for it. Surely not beyond their capabilities?

andyreeves

like maybe the commonwealth(or whats left of it) the old colony class with names like pakistan,ceylon,zanzibar, its getting a bit silly now how about h.m.s warwickshire?!!!

Cam Hunter

Blame the English Government, they cut the numbers, and I could almost gaurintee there would have been a Hms Manchester or a Hms Liverpool or both.

Stephen

Having 2 named after Scottish cities is not “sucking up”, they are a vital part of Britain, enough of the divisiveness.

Airborne

HMS Glasgow will be built to Glasgow standards, the accommodation will be cramped and sub standard, there will be 5 mess bars, sick bay and pharmacy will be packed and a number of sailors will be sleeping on deck, minus a large number of teeth.

Cam Hunter

Lol, and don’t forget the Glasgow smile to any English person in sight…..

David Owen

And how about building more new types of ships call them bunghole class after you or virus class like you airborne ???

Airborne

Wow David I see light hearted humour is something you have an issue with. Oh dear, never mind, grab the tissue and dry those eyes of yours.

David Owen and Airborne all right children no more fighting or no ice cream for either of you ! David if you can’t take a joke your in the wrong place.

andy reeves

now now ladies be nice

David Stephen

That’s not Glasgow anymore guys, it’s filled with lots of skinny jeans and fake tanned people carrying large chips on their shoulders while pronouncing to the world how diverse and inclusive they are (to everyone but England). I miss the old days ?

mac

Great, that’s two Type 26’s the SNP will feel entitled to and lay claim too if they ever succeed in tearing the UK apart.

Meirion X

I very much agree with you! Which I said in an earlier posting.
Liverpool is a historic trading port!
So let’s rename HMS Glasgow to Liverpool!
And order anther type26.

Daniele Mandelli

Just my thought too.

If they are a coastal force though totally unsuited.

Julian

I would hope that if independence were ever to happen then defence claims would be linked to GDP or some more complicated formula representing relative economic balance rather than naming conventions! On that basis Scotland would have claim to less than a single T26 and I would hope would have the sense to realise that a fleet of one would be expensive and unnecessary. And yes mac, I do realise your comment was probably partly tongue-in-cheek but with a serious underlying point that does worry me because however it played out it would still be a significant and costly disruption… Read more »

Tim

If the 1,617,989 people in Scotland who voted for Independance want those two they can have them. I think it works out at about £1,600 each.

I live in England. I’d happily pay my £51 along with my fellow 55 million English to replace the two ships with a HMS Exeter and a HMS Liverpool.

Rfn_Weston

Unfortunately old bean, we’d likely pay the majority of that £1,600 as well.

Paul Mccunnell

Just great to see more ships in the pipeline for build, a lot of the names are the old batch 1 42s, so good to see two of my old ships names coming back, and pleased as my daughter is close to completing her recruitment for RN so makes me happy she will be part of an RN with carriers and ships at least

Julian

And bloody good carriers and ships at that. And don’t forget the world-class RN stuff lurking beneath the surface as well. I’d obviously love more of all this stuff but what we have built recently, and are in the process of still building, includes some first rate stuff.

Best of luck to your daughter in her RN career.

Simon

Just been looking at wiki:

There are 13 urban areas that exceed 500,000 inhabitants: they are centred on London, Birmingham, Glasgow, Leeds and Bradford, Southampton and Portsmouth, Sheffield, Liverpool, Leicester, Manchester, Belfast, Bristol, Newcastle upon Tyne and Nottingham.

13!!!

All in all I think the Welsh have done well with the T26 naming. Perhaps it is land-area biased 🙂

andy reeves

what i think is, that the R.N should be looking forward in design , to designs that can be turned out quickly, for example a ship that could be put together in 6 months! crazy? well the first battleship h.m.s dreadnought was built at portsmouth in a calendar year, now, with modern methods ships like the rivers should be produced at TWO PER YEAR.

Pacman27

We still need to replace the T45’s at some point in the not too distant future and the T26 hull form is ideal for that. So another 5 or 6 T26 are entirely possible and we can go crazy with names.

andyreeves

h.m.s pugwash?

MattG

I don’t think the T45s will be replaced until well into the 2030s. By then the T26 hull will be considered old hat and a new take on ship design will be required.

Pacman27

We will still be building T26’s well into the 2030’s and as it is cutting edge now, not sure why an Air Defence Destroyer needs a cutting edge hull tbh. This is what fitters away money in the first place, perfectly good (ie: the best) hull that when it does get old we should reuse the intellectual property from it to build other types. So shorten it by 20m and you have the hull for T31 – do you lose something from a point of view of efficiency etc, maybe… but we should be working on this now, so that… Read more »

andy reeves

i had a reply from the minister of defence(yes really)!! in reply to my questions over why we dont’build conventional submarines any more. his reply left me speechless, i was told the u.k no longer has the skills or designs, or yards to build them!!https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/why-germanys-new-super-stealth-submarines-could-take-any-21021 this is a damning example of how the shipbuilding industry has been allowed to rot away. the u.k prefers ta nuclear propulsion policy as agreed in the 1970 and’so we spend£1.4 billion for 1 astute rather than produce 14 of the gotland type subs for the same cost! the one that evaded an entire u.s… Read more »

Stephen

He hasn’t got a clue what he is talking about, check out the Wyvern submarines.

andy reeves

am i being called a liar here, perhaps if i am the same people would write to the local m.p asking them to forward you letter to gavin williamson,eventually when you get a reply, and you should, you’ll see as i have written above, that its not just the beancounters, it’s the whole government that has betrayed us all these years

andyreeves

one thing i’ve noticed with BMT, IS, THAT THEY NEVER give a real cost, build time or where they’d actually build them i think everything needs more transparency

Pacman27

In fairness Andy I have written to my MP on several occasions re Defence and have received nothing back. I have also written to the MOD who sent me a letter back stating I had some valid points (and probably straight to trash). I agree that we all need to put pressure on our MP’s and Ministers if we feel passionate about it. In fairness to TH this was one of his main (and constant) points. As for the subs – we can build non nuclear submarines in this country – there is no doubt about it in my mind.… Read more »

andy reeves

granted i’ve waited months for replies, and when i did get one, it was a regurgitated copy of the tory manifesto.my m.p now calls me ‘admiral(i wish)

Steve Taylor

SSK’s aren’t SSN’s.

Think of your SSK as say Gripen, and SSN as say Euro fighter.

Elliott

The Gotland class exercise again? That was a weeks long exercise in which multiple scenarios were run. When someone brings up a story like that always question the circumstances and get the full story. The only scenario where it was able to sink the carrier was when was able to act as a mine in a narrow where land mass shielded it. Against a task group directed to act as if it were in a peacetime posture affecting both the attentiveness of the screen, the course that was taken, and the speed at which they were moving. In every other… Read more »

andy reeves

the old chestnut after all these years the question of quality or quantity needs a final decision, we can’t have both but the u.k could be far more savv, than it is regarding procurement

Steve

Excellent!

How about another batch of 4 more T26s? Not instead of T31, as well as.

andy reeves

gun up the rivers they’re the same size as the sigma 10514 look at the armament fitted to a ship the same size as a river designate them light frigate,/corvette and the navy is 9 ships bigger, AND they’re already built!

Nigel Collins

A very useful source of information.

“Why will the Royal Navy not have its first Type 26 frigate operational until 2027?”

https://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/why-will-the-royal-navy-not-have-its-first-type-26-frigate-operational-until-2027/

Steve

The short version is that the government doesn’t want to cough up the cash.

The on paper theory isn’t bad, as each frigate goes out of service the new one enters, but the reality is delays will happen and so we will end up with a massive capability gap yet again and that is before the numbers get slashed more.

Steve Curtis

FYI, the only HMS Highlander to serve was was an H class destroyer in WWII. So we have a precedence – if not actually a ship to name it so………

Daniele Mandelli

?Nice Steve.

Frank62

Sad loss for CamHunter & family. Thoughts & prayers.

Warship names are very peripheral to the need to have a fleet sufficient for our needs. If we can get the Aster up to anti ballistic missile standards, then another 4 updated T45s might be wise both to protect the UK & allow more wriggle room to ensure the QEs can always have a T45 escort.

Rob

Wouldn’t it be more likely and preferable to have AAW T26 variants instead?

Rfn_Weston

Logical choice. Expect over the life of the program to see 14 T26 is various guises. I’d imagine the RN will look to replace T45 with as you say, AAW variants based on the T26 hull form etc.

Steve

In an ideal situation I’d say yeah, just get a 2nd batch of T45s to bring the total to 10, and increase T26s to 12.

The latter would be possible but sadly the former prohibitably expensive as production has stopped. So I’d say yeah, build 3-4 more Type 26s with AAW spec, which shouldn’t be too expensive to do.

Then also have the T31s. I’d say 10 of them.

Rfn_Weston

Now the Batch 1 Rivers are being retained the RN won’t see anything over the initial order of 5 x T31…. As the RN will be ‘growing’. I wouldn’t be surprised if the initial order of T31 isn’t only 3 hulls with 2 to follow… There is money for defence however Politicians don’t put much stock in Defence. £13 Billion in foreign aid is a vanity project for rich do gooders and not the noble cause they’d have us believe. 1 years worth of foreign aid budget split between the MOD & NHS would sort the 20 year ‘black hole’… Read more »

Ian powell

Sorry to hear about your dad cam may he rest in peace