The very first delivery of machined component parts for the Boxer Mechanised Infantry Vehicles to WFEL’s Stockport manufacturing facility happened this week.

WFEL’s Boxer Warehouse and Quality teams received the delivery from Lancashire-based BCW Manufacturing Group, who have been selected as a nominated sub-contractor from an initial group of over 20 qualifying companies.

Image via WFEL.

“BCW have demonstrated compliance with the strict Quality and Engineering capability criteria required as part of WFEL’s world-class Supplier Approval Procedures. This process included a First Article Inspection which was completed satisfactorily prior to delivery.” 

WFEL’s Managing Director, Ian Anderton, commented:

“I am extremely pleased with the roll-out of our UK supply chain for the Boxer vehicles for our British Army customer.  This £2.3bn programme is delivering economic benefits not just for WFEL but for many other companies around the UK, particularly in the North of England.  This first delivery from BCW is another historic moment as we ramp up to begin the first-ever production of these Mechanised Infantry Vehicles in the UK.”

Nick Eary, Business Development Director, ANSUKA Group (BCW’s parent company) added:

“We are both delighted and proud to be part of the team contributing to the delivery of the new Boxer vehicles for the British Army.  We have already built a strong relationship with WFEL’s Procurement Team, who know we can be relied on for this and potential future deliveries of specialist parts. It was particularly pleasing to be able to deliver the goods two weeks ahead of the requested delivery date.” 

In November 2019, ARTEC, a joint venture between two German companies – Krauss-Maffei Wegmann and Rheinmetall – signed the £2.3bn contract to deliver 500+ Boxer vehicles to the British Army.

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geoff
geoff
1 month ago

Boxer in a very understated livery!
Much like the British Army in the Zulu and First Boer War-scarlet tunics against the earthy colours of the South African veld!!😄

Herodotus
Herodotus
1 month ago
Reply to  geoff

I think the idea behind the red tunics came from the days when armies took their positions and then engaged. Apparently it is harder to count troops at a distance when wearing red….that might be complete ballocks though!

captain p wash
captain p wash
1 month ago
Reply to  Herodotus

🤔

BB85
BB85
1 month ago
Reply to  Herodotus

Goodness knows. Every country had their national colours so I don’t think the actual colour served a meaningful purpose other than to tell who was with us and who was against us. If anything it would make them stand out more and inflate numbers. If you wanted to hide your numbers I’m sure they would have discovered camo back in the iron age.

Herodotus
Herodotus
1 month ago
Reply to  BB85

Actually red is optically confusing at distance. That said Iron-Age Brits painted themselves blue!

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  BB85

Or just lie down. As Maitland’s brigade did! 😉

captain p wash
captain p wash
1 month ago
Reply to  BB85

Nah mate…. It’s complete Bollocks, as he said. 😎

Dern
Dern
1 month ago
Reply to  BB85

I was always under the impression that Madder Red was chosen because it was cheap at the time.

Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago
Reply to  Herodotus

I thought it was due to the fact red dye was the cheapest! Could be more complete bollocks though!

Herodotus
Herodotus
1 month ago
Reply to  Airborne

HM Treasury option….makes sense!

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Airborne

Our beloved Roman Legions are often depicted in Red.
Hollywood or reality though?

captain p wash
captain p wash
1 month ago

Mostly Black and White from memory.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  captain p wash

Ben Hur is not that old!

Herodotus
Herodotus
1 month ago

Erm…1960’s ….first film that I saw in a cinema!

captain p wash
captain p wash
1 month ago

Well it is….. They have Chariots and Lions and footage of Jesus and everything….. and another thing, we got our TV from Radio Rentals and they are ancient history now. so there.😝

Dern
Dern
1 month ago

I believe Hollywood, there are references to red being worn (Ceasar wearing a red cloak in battle so that his men could spot him, going by his own commentary) by individuals. But I’m unaware of any uniform standards in the Roman Army beyond unit markings painted on shields, and, given that practice was for Milites to procure their own equipment either from their own funds, or from a government issued equipment allowance, I suspect Roman Legions looked a lot more multicoloured than we often imagine them.

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Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Dern

Really interesting this, Dern.

From Marius reforms through the classical period of the empire up to Commodus ( where it started to go to rat **** ) depict red tunics beneath the Lorica Segmantata.

Always wondered at the truth of it.

Herodotus
Herodotus
1 month ago

Strange that it all should go to shit under someone called Commodus. 😊

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Herodotus

Lol! It’s true though, Commodus was a total b******rd compared to Marcus Aurelius.

Quentin D63
Quentin D63
1 month ago
Reply to  Herodotus

Great reply… just had a chuckle over my morning coffee.. 😆

Dern
Dern
1 month ago

I think it comes from Trajans Column, where the Romans portrayed the Legions as all wearing Segmentata and the Auxillaries as all wearing Hamata, and for a long time this was taken as gospel by schoalrship (I just perused my copy of Peter Connolly’s “Greece and Rome at War,” which is an excellent book, but was published in 1981 and is begining to show it’s age unfortunately, and sure enough he claims that the Legions only used Segmentata *edit* In the second century AD). Add in the unconscious bias we have developed in the modern world that professional armies are… Read more »

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Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Dern

Great post Dern. Really interesting thanks.
I love my Roman history.

Dern
Dern
1 month ago

Same, although my interest these days really lies with the early History of Rome, pre 3rd Punic War, and these days especially pre-Samnite War.

Nick C
Nick C
1 month ago

There is a story told that a British officer was captured by the French during the Napoleonic wars, and was asked by his captors why the British wore red, since it made them easier to see on the battlefield. The reply was that if an officer was wounded the blood would not show against the tunic and the men would not be downhearted. The French apparently took this to heart, and ever since then their officers have worn brown trousers. I’m not sure it’s a true story, but it ought to be.

Herodotus
Herodotus
1 month ago
Reply to  Dern

Interesting that the colour for a leader was purple! Hence taking the ‘purple’….as the Pope still does…and the Anglican Bishops!

Dern
Dern
1 month ago
Reply to  Herodotus

Purple be expensive that’s why.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Dern

SPQR. Senate wore Purple.

Dern
Dern
1 month ago

Yes, because Senators where the highest (and theoretically wealthiest classes) in the Res Publica, althought the Equestrians also wore purple at various times. The process of making Purple dye was incredibly difficult and made it effectively out of reach of common people.
Later on it went from a de facto law that only the wealthiest could wear purple to a de jure law (probably because commoners where amassing enough wealth to be able to afford purple, that’s usually why laws restricting luxury goods are passed).

lee1
lee1
1 month ago
Reply to  Herodotus

That was because purple dye was hugely expensive and so only afforded by the most powerful people.

Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago

Not sure if anyone actually knows mate.

spyintheskyuk
spyintheskyuk
1 month ago
Reply to  Airborne

No it was indeed and much of the male commoner wear was that colour as a result. I guess during the formative years we were much more of a citizens army than say the French or Spanish who had a lot more money around for grandiose-ment too until the mid 18th century when fortunes began to change and I presume the colour stuck and became far more ‘luminous’ to match our competitors on the battlefield.

Dern
Dern
1 month ago
Reply to  spyintheskyuk

I believe initially Parliament was extremly anti-army, and a lot of the funding for it came out of the Kings own purse or the Colonels who raised the regiments. (Not unreasonably fearing that the King might use a big army to put Parliament back in it’s place after the restoration).

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Phil
Phil
1 month ago
Reply to  Herodotus

Red as a Uniform Colour goes back (allegedly) to the Spartans who wore red tunics. Certainly red was identified as the colour of the God of War, Mars and it is said Romans wore red tunics in the field, but white on parade as white was the colour of Citizenship. In Britain red as a Uniform Colour goes back to the New Model Army where all the infantry regiments wore red, whereas previously each regiment raised for either King or Parliament had adopted a unique colour. Monck’s Regiment of Foot under Parliament became the Coldstream Guards after the Restoration. Thereafter… Read more »

spyintheskyuk
spyintheskyuk
1 month ago
Reply to  Phil

Often frequent the pub/coaching Inn in Barnet Monck stayed in before bringing the King into London for the restoration…damn turncoat.

Nic
Nic
1 month ago
Reply to  Herodotus

This must be true enough , as the same was said on a programme about the Grenadier guards, who wear the red Tunics in the summer.
It was also said that the bearskins head dress was kept long at the front so that the enemy could not judge the position of the head .

Herodotus
Herodotus
1 month ago
Reply to  Nic

Can’t remember where I got it from, must have been that programme though I don’t recall it!

spyintheskyuk
spyintheskyuk
1 month ago
Reply to  Herodotus

I thought the idea was to hide the blood or is that a myth. Red however is the base colour of the BritishEnglish Army since before the days of Agincourt even if it were an earthy hue due to the dyes available (ironically much more camouflaged I suspect as a result). Truth is I think back then there wasn’t really a uniform and England didn’t even have a standing army and the most common tunic colour was that red.brown hue so probably became natural that it became the norm (and then gradually imposed) when they were recruited to form military… Read more »

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AJP1960
AJP1960
1 month ago
Reply to  Herodotus

I thought it was because it masked blood and so made it hard to determine how many were injured

Roger Greenaway
Roger Greenaway
1 month ago
Reply to  Herodotus

the reason why British soldiers wore red tunics was quite simple. When Cromwell’s New Model Army was created, so was a standard uniform. Red was the cheapest dye!

Andy P
Andy P
1 month ago
Reply to  geoff

Aye, it does scream “Coo-eee, I’m over he-ere”. Maybe just going for the General Melchett approach.

Klonkie
Klonkie
1 month ago
Reply to  geoff

ironically the red tunics became dusty and faded and so blended somewhat into the African veldt .Helmets were dyed with tea to darken them (so I’ve read anyway).

Dave Wolfy
Dave Wolfy
1 month ago
Reply to  geoff

French infantry in WW1 initially had blue jackets and red trousers.

geoff
geoff
1 month ago
Reply to  Dave Wolfy

Seen colourised pics of that uniform Dave. It was a war that transited from the old to the age of the mechanised

Deep32
Deep32
1 month ago

They are eventually going to build Boxers in that facility then? Only at this pace the build rate will be slower then the T26 if that’s possible!!!🤣

Karl
Karl
1 month ago
Reply to  Deep32

I love the tale of how the Soviets were driving T34’s out of the factory straight into battle when the front line was only miles away. Thats production.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Karl

That was at Stalingrad. And very true. The women AA gunners defending it fought to the death fighting PzIVs over open sights.

Airborne
Airborne
1 month ago

Mark Felton on YouTube, excellent stories and some are absolute gems.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Airborne

Ah, you saw it too.

Dern
Dern
1 month ago
Reply to  Airborne

If neither of you have seen it, and you have the time, check out TIK’s Stalingrad documentary too!
I believe currently it’s at about the 16 hour mark.

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Dern

Ta Dern.

John Stevens
John Stevens
1 month ago
Reply to  Airborne

Yes, I have watched many of his YouTube videos. Very good!

Steve Martin
Steve Martin
1 month ago

Rather strange shaped boiling vessels in those crates 😀

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Ian M.
Ian M.
1 month ago

Bit odd that the publicity goons can make a story out of two long wooden crates being delivered! They’re still banded, so no one knows what’s in them yet!

KPB
KPB
1 month ago
Reply to  Ian M.

Curlywurlys?

captain p wash
captain p wash
1 month ago
Reply to  Ian M.

They are actually the first batch of Torpedoes….. 😶

Ian M.
Ian M.
1 month ago
Reply to  captain p wash

Maybe they’re the “long waits”?

geoff
geoff
1 month ago

On subject sort of. I have just seen some footage of the Jersey fracas on Sky News and the one segment showed a naval vessel flying the Belgian Naval Ensign!? Either the footage was incorrect off the shelf or are other EU Navies involved. very pretty Ensign btw-a saltire of the national colours on a white ground with a coupl of other symbols

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  geoff

Seen the French fisherman have all departed now.
Storm in a teacup made worse by tabloids.

I saw comments were turned off on the other article maybe the mods called time on it.

Jonathan S
Jonathan S
1 month ago

I’m afraid Brussels is now involved, so expect this to drag on..

Herodotus
Herodotus
1 month ago

Absolutely 😊

heroic
heroic
1 month ago

Afternoon all, why is it that some of you try to turn this brilliant site into some kind of personal platform for insults and racist comments all wrapped up in so called humour ? This is meant to be a serious site for serious discussions about all things defence related. Reading some of the comments on the Jersey fishing article, and in particular the anti French ones, I can’t help thinking it’s only a matter of time before this site gets reported or shut down due to it’s members comments. Look like the site admins have taken note too and… Read more »

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Herodotus
Herodotus
1 month ago
Reply to  heroic

I think that is a blooper! Hopefully replies will be restored in due course!

dave12
dave12
1 month ago

Are we getting different variants of the boxer ?

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins
1 month ago
Reply to  dave12

I very much hope so dave12, it has a lot to offer!

The article states Infantry Carrier, Command, Specialist Carrier and Ambulance versions so far.

https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/boxer-armoured-vehicle-british-army/boxer-armoured-vehicle-details/

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Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

I think Dave was referring to versions with more than a RWS!

Nigel Collins
Nigel Collins
1 month ago

Plenty to choose from!

And more cash in the coffers for the kit as well

The Bank said it now saw growth of 7.25% during 2021, which would be the strongest since 1941.

That is up from the 5% growth previously forecast.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-bank-of-england-upgrades-growth-forecast-but-signals-no-change-to-rates-ahead-12298247🙏

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AlexS
AlexS
1 month ago
Reply to  Nigel Collins

Sorry Nigel Collins but you do not seem what growth means in context of Covid downturn.
It is not even returning to the transaction levels of pre-covid.
Note also that growth is just an indicative of more transactions. You can get huge growth if every citizen sell their furniture to their neighbors…

AndyCee
AndyCee
1 month ago

There was some reference to “increasing lethality” in the recent Command Paper. I’m guessing that’ll mean either upgunnjng the RWS with maybe a 30mm, or adding Javelin launchers. Ideally both.

i did read somewhere that there were 50 “recce” versions carrying Javelin being acquired but haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere else. Nor is there any breakdown of variants within the 523 vehicle order will be. And that’s assuming they buy one module per chassis….

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  AndyCee

Interesting. Not read that. Spartan carries Javelin teams now I believe. Were they dismounts or is the FP in the Boxer?

AndyCee
AndyCee
1 month ago

Spartan carries dismounted Javelin teams I think. There were some jury-rigged Javelins mounted on Warriors during the Second Gulf War though and the RWS selected can carry ATGW according to the data sheet

https://www.kongsberg.com/globalassets/kda/products/defence-and-security/remote-weapon-systems/protector-mct/protector-rs4.pdf

Dern
Dern
1 month ago

I believe there was a reacent release by the army stating that they know Boxer isn’t a replacement for Warrior and they’re looking for ways to mitigate that gap.
To me that reads either as: Boxer will get some variants with a turret of some description or
The British Army will be looking to procure an off the shelf IFV in the Medium term.

AndyCee
AndyCee
1 month ago
Reply to  Dern

Hi Dern
Do you have any link for that IFV info? I believe they’ve already discounting mounting the cta cannon in the warrior turret on the Boxer, so it’ll be interesting to see what they said

Dern
Dern
1 month ago
Reply to  AndyCee

Hi Andy,
Not to hand unfortunately, I scrolled past it while checking twitter this morning, but I’ll keep an eye out for it and if I see it again or anything related to it I’ll post a link for you here.

AndyCee
AndyCee
1 month ago
Reply to  Dern

I appreciate that, thank you

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Dern

Hope so Dern.

Dern
Dern
1 month ago

Hoping for option 1 or 2?

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
1 month ago
Reply to  Dern

Either if I’m honest.

dan
dan
1 month ago

Are they going to buy more than 4 or 5 of them? lol

Nic
Nic
1 month ago

Hopefully the rest of the vehicle parts will arrive soon and they can get started and we have no set backs or employment problem or order cutbacks.

Col
Col
1 month ago

Those warehouse boxes look photoshopped

Trevor W Hogg
Trevor W Hogg
1 month ago

When they said first delivery of the new Boxer, they realy meant BOX, Its not from Ikea is it

JOHNT
JOHNT
1 month ago

The Union Jack pattern was part of Rheinmetal’s sales pitch to the MOD.

Col
Col
1 month ago
Reply to  JOHNT

I don’t like that lazy marketing.