Since the Brexit vote in 2016 Theresa May’s Conservative Government have sought to push forward the ‘Global Britain’ policy campaign. However, as the Foreign Affairs Select Committee recently highlighted, there has thus far been little change in policy output to reflect this pan-government policy.

This article was submitted by Jeremy Sacramento, Jeremy is currently completing a Masters in International Law and Security at the University of Southern Denmark, having previously graduated with a Masters in Public Policy at King’s College London, and prior to that a Bachelors in International Politics from the University of Surrey.

Although theoretically a pan-government policy, there are four primary departments that are in the driving seat: the Foreign Office, the Department for International Development, the Department for International Trade, and the Ministry of Defence.

However there is a slight paradox to the Global Britain drive. The two main departments, the Foreign Office and the Ministry of Defence, have both been subject to punishing efficiency measures; and in the case of the latter, these are seemingly not over. This is an especially worrisome prospect at this particular juncture in history. Not only because defence provides the hard power capacity that underwrites and extends wider foreign policy, i.e. provides the ultimate safeguards for Global Britain, but also, because the present strategic reality itself is an increasingly complex one. In other words, the globe Global Britain wants to operate in is an ever more precarious one – think a resurgent Russia, an assertive China, and an unabated threat from terrorist actors.

With nearly seven years of steep cuts ushered in by the Strategic Defence and Security Review 2010 (SDSR 10), it is little surprise that Retired First Sea Lord Admiral George Zambellas recently retorted that the armed forces had reached “the bottom of the efficiency barrel”; yet in mid-2017 the UK Government once again decided to launch a fresh review. This has come less than two years after the SDSR 15, which is not even half way into its implementation – since 2010 security reviews should occur every five years. This new review, the ‘National Security Capability Review’ (published 28 March 2018) was conducted by the Prime Minister’s Security Advisor, Sir Mark Sedwill, and was initially set to cover the whole of government, including defence. However, following a spate of leaks the NSCR was split, and a splinter uniquely defence review titled ‘Modernising Defence Programme’ was commissioned – due to be published mid-2018.

The leaks that led to this separate review shed light on the government’s thinking. One of the major revelations was that of reducing or even eliminating the UK’s amphibious capability, entailing: scrapping HMS Albion and her sister Bulwark, some, or all three RFA Bay Class dock landing ships, and the bulk of Royal Marines. Another leak suggested the further reduction of the British Army’s regular element – already down from 112,000 to 82,000 since 2010. A further leak alleged a reduction in the order of the fifth generation F-35B. Any of these steps would undermine the very essence of the Global Britain policy, and could prove disastrous for the UK’s wider foreign policies, not to mention its national security.

Any of these prospects prove notably daunting for Gibraltar.

For starters, a British fighting force that is thinly stretched and hollowed out leaves Gibraltar, which sits in an enviably strategic position, uncomfortably vulnerable – both for Gibraltar’s and the UK’s interests. Gibraltar carries a number of salient strategic benefits, most notably it presides over a crucial choke point in the sea lines of communication between the UK and the East – note also Russian communication between its Northern cold water ports and its warm water ports in the Black Sea. It also forms the bridge between the increasingly unstable Sahel region and Europe. Should things turn awry this makes Gibraltar an attractive target, whether in its own right, to disrupt Britain’s sea lines of communication, or to deprive the UK from this useful Forward Operating Base. And Global Britain itself further adds to this. In Theresa May’s words, Global Britain aims to “reach out to the world”, that means increased trade with states on the farthest corners of the world, in particular the Far East and Middle East, if the latest trade missions are an indicator. More trade to and from Britain through this choke point means greater value.

Apart from this strategic element, Gibraltar has an inseparable, indeed natural, connection with the British armed forces, given that 250 years of its 314 years as a British territory have been as a military fortress. Until recently, the Gibraltarian has grown-up immersed in military tradition, with the near-constant sight of Royal Navy vessels in port and a kaleidoscope of uniformed personnel scuttling across the city, not to mention the roaring sound of Tornado engines conducting a fly-past. In fact the MoD, like any garrison town, is the essence of Gibraltar’s British heritage, with Britishness being almost synonymous with the scarlet tunic. But beyond underlining Gibraltar’s British heritage, it is the representative value of this against the continued long shadow of Spain’s sovereignty claim – which Brexit compounds. The symbolic value of British commitment to the Rock the MoD provides is therefore as important as ever. Further reductions to the armed forces, including fewer naval and RAF visits, and an ever shrinking permanent HQ presence – the MoD footprint on the Rock is down to minute proportions – could thus deprive Gibraltar of Britain’s most tangible manifestation of its commitment.

On a more abstract level, a further relative decline of the UK’s armed forces – not only relative to Russia and China, but also relative to the staggering increases in defence spending by Middle Eastern states – will impact on the UK’s standing on the world stage. Although a crude measure, defence capabilities are indeed a barometer for diplomatic clout. A reduction in its clout therefore, could in the future complicate the UK’s ability to garner support on international fora, in particular the UN. This presents a further problem for Gibraltar and the Spanish claim.

The above illustrates that the prospects of a further deterioration in the Armed Force’s capabilities could carry ramifications for even comparatively less conspicuous issues. However, reality appears to have struck the austerity-eager Conservative government. The just published NCSR gives much needed and unrestrained impetus to foreign and security policy and in how these serve other policy objectives, notably trade. Might the upcoming MDP review show a similar realisation? If it does, there is hope that Global Britain may indeed – at least once more substance is produced – be a success for the UK and its overseas territories.

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Des
Des
5 years ago

Bit tired of these garrulous repetitive blasts from the past. Is there no commentator that is numerate analytical and has any notion of modern analytical techniques?
We are constantly compared to Russia/China/India these countries have each between 70% and 90% “Legacy” equipment and spend similar percentages of. There militants budgets on pay & pension, leaving very little for “advanced” kit. A teenager could come up with better military analysis. As for the childish belief in Russian/Chinese advanced vapourware….

Lewis
Lewis
5 years ago

You know Malta back in the day when they were still an overseas territory wanted to fully integrate into the UK? They even held a referendum and voted to become a part of the UK. Then the usual bumbling British politicians came along and decided to close down most of the government owned facilities on Malta and they lost a lot of jobs which killed the Maltese enthusiasm for it. Makes one think how it would have changed things today having a port and base in the west, central and eastern mediteranian. Just some interesting alternate history musing.

Sean
Sean
5 years ago
Reply to  Lewis

I believe it was the Labour Government of the day that rejected Malta joining the Union to become the fifth home nation on the grounds of cost, as it would have needed subsidies from the U.K. Government. Has to have been one of the most shortsighted territory decisions since Russia sold Alaska.

David E Flandry
David E Flandry
5 years ago
Reply to  Sean

I believe the Labor Party’s left wing also was hell-bent on shedding any intimations of Imperialism. Even though the Maltese wanted an association, the left wing didn’t. Malta was not alone in that desire for a relationship.

Justin
Justin
5 years ago

Correct but the Tories wanted to look no less liberal and promptly followed Labour on a path of decolonialisation even if the countries were under-developed, had no appetite for independence or simply not ready for independence, economically or politically! This is why Africa has been nothing but a basket case contenent since “the winds of change” swept the continent! I say that not because I hanker back to the days of old, but because there was a complete lack of planning, foresight or vision in the process of decolonization! – Let’s rather throw the undeveloped world on its own two… Read more »

Will
Will
5 years ago
Reply to  Sean

It was nothing to do with the Labour party. The Maltese United Kingdom integration referendum was held in 1956 under the Conservative government of Anthony Eden (elected the year before). The Maltese voted by a majority of 77% on a turnout of just under 60% to join the UK, the idea being that they would have 3 seats in the House of Commons. 8 years later Malta became independent.

Simon
Simon
5 years ago

It would be a great strategic base and surely would have been quite busy. On the negative side it may have given us a bigger problem with immigration/asylum seekers

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
5 years ago
Reply to  Simon

That was my first thought! No way. Immigrants by the thousand from Libya them could move directly to the UK mainland.

SoleSurvivor
SoleSurvivor
5 years ago

Oh yeah, if Malta was British the immigrants can jump over the wall to mainland Britain, piece of p**s.

Justin
Justin
5 years ago
Reply to  SoleSurvivor

Unfortunately BOTH Conservative and Labour Governments have given away highly valuable strategic territory all over the world for no reason other than wanting to not look imperialist! – Atlee (greatest Labour PM of all time, by both Left and Right standards) believed the Empire was a force for good in the world, it was also he who put UK on path to become a nuclear power! But from the moment Churchill left office for the second time BOTH parties set the UK on a path of decline at a rate not seen in history

dadsarmy
dadsarmy
5 years ago

To throw a different point of view on this, there’s the problem of “Empire”. The UK had one, and it’s gone. And if it’s mentioned, like in the context of “Empire 2.0”, moderate people shuffle their feet and look awkward. Empire of course implies conquest, colonisation, forcible taking of land, trading with beads and sending missionaries. Empire Bad! But then there’s the word “Global”. Global is good surely, we all live on one planet and it’s good to talk – and do business. So perhaps the problem is to clearly differentiate between “Empire” and “Global”, and show that while one… Read more »

SoleSurvivor
SoleSurvivor
5 years ago
Reply to  dadsarmy

Hi pal, as an Englishman with a Scottish Indy supporting family I was not really bothered either way, although deep down I was kind of rooting for a yes vote, I have to disagree with this statement.. “realise that to be Global does require a defensive posture, with the ability to attack being a part of defence. We too would have that problem in Independent Scotland, something not all Indy supporters realise.” An independent Scotland would almost certainly be an EU member so how come Ireland, Finland, Slovakia and Denmark (roughly same population size) don’t have that problem, they all… Read more »

Daniel
Daniel
5 years ago
Reply to  SoleSurvivor

Whilst I agree with your sentiment that an independent Scotland could indeed defend itself with just a handful of patrol boats as in the Irish and Finnish model. Perhaps Slovakia and Denmark were poor examples to choose given that Denmark does in fact have a significant number of large modern combat vessels and Slovakia is in fact a land locked nation, having no requirement for a navy. Additionally I would say that Scotland would require more than such a token force if it truly wanted to be taken seriously on a global level, with significant naval expansion probably being in… Read more »

Geoff
Geoff
5 years ago
Reply to  Daniel

Daniel-the reason Scotland could defend itself with a handful of patrol boats is as for e.g Ireland and NZ (neither of whom have airforces apart from Recce,transport etc,)-that is-the UK, Australia and the good old USA are always there to provide free rides all round. Small nations can afford to be vocally pacifist and anti-Nuclear as they know The Americans and Brits are there in case the s*** hits the fan!

SoleSurvivor
SoleSurvivor
5 years ago
Reply to  Daniel

Hi Daniel, yes you’re right about that, I just used the four countries in a row with roughly the same population as Scotland, I knew what the Irish had and had a look at Finland and Denmark’s wiki page, saw the frigates and as they are small patrol frigates and 3 anti air I wouldn’t put them in the category of“global” but after reading the page in detail they have 9 frigates of various sizes which are all capapable of deploying globally.

Thanks for that ?

dadsarmy
dadsarmy
5 years ago
Reply to  SoleSurvivor

Hi SoleSurvivor I agree wtih both Daniel and Geoff on this, if Scotland didn’t have proportionate forces we would be sheltering under the rUK’s umbrella without paying for it. Well, if that’s what the politicians of the time decide, I’d be disappointed and to be frank, a bit humiliated. Ireland is different because of the way their Independence came about, and reverse agreements which I think are still in force, it has fine OPVs and resources to police its waters, but not a lot for airspace. They’re a Partner for Peace in NATO – as is Russia! For me Scotland… Read more »

SoleSurvivor
SoleSurvivor
5 years ago
Reply to  SoleSurvivor

Fair enough pal

I do think you and many other Scots with an eye for defence will be underwhelmed if you ever achieve independence though, I genuinely believe defence in an independent Scotland would be bottom of the list of importance, politicians would think why waste money on a lot of defence knowing the UK would never allow anything to happen to you.

David Stephen
David Stephen
5 years ago
Reply to  SoleSurvivor

And they all have absolutely zero influence in global affairs.

Geoff
Geoff
5 years ago
Reply to  dadsarmy

Morning dadsarmy. I am a Unionist of the heart and I suspect that your Scottish Nationalism comes from the same place. However I still think that the UK can easily accommodate the rich variety of it’s peoples in one house and at the same time allow room for free expression of the different nuances of identity( sorry if that sounds a little pretentious but I am sure you get my drift) A split would diminish the UK all round particularly in the area of Defence with unnecessary and costly duplication and upheaval. As to Gibraltar and the other Overseas Territories… Read more »

dadsarmy
dadsarmy
5 years ago
Reply to  Geoff

Hi Geoff The UK Government, in my opinion, has little resepct for the Scottish Government. You can see that too in the House of Commons in the way the 35 SNP MPs – the 3rd largest party in the HoC – are treated by the Conservatives, and even by Labour. But they were legally and democratically elected by the Scottish People to serve in the House of Commons, and due exactly the same respect as any other MP from anywhere in the UK. Even above there’s a comment which illustrates contempt some people feel for Scotland, and in the media… Read more »

Daniel
Daniel
5 years ago
Reply to  dadsarmy

Hi dadsarmy, I think there is a lot of confusion over what the prevailing “English” opinion is on Scottish independence. In my experience, the majority of English people would prefer to identify as British rather than English, with the Union Flag representing some of our nation’s finest achievements whilst St George’s Cross is primarily viewed as a banner for football hooligans. So when you mention the MPs in Westminster treating the SMP MPs with contempt, do you not thing that may be due to the fact that those SMP MPs are deliberately and publicly attempting to undermine the very nation… Read more »

Geoff
Geoff
5 years ago
Reply to  dadsarmy

Nice to have a civilised conversation with gentlemen as opposed to some of the punchups on the Scotsman or Herald! 🙂

Justin
Justin
5 years ago
Reply to  Geoff

I have to agree! It is so nice to see unionists and nationalists talking to each other and raising thier points without descending into insulting each other!!

SoleSurvivor
SoleSurvivor
5 years ago

Seems to be these types of opinion pieces rolling out quite frequently now, last night we had imaginary redundancies, assets being cut that are not even on the table, and 1000 families having a breakdown and ruining local economies. Now we have an imaginary invasion of Gibraltar. These articles come from the misconception that the size of a nations military determines how good a trade deal they can get. It genuinely doesn’t matter, the only thing people making these deals care about is how much money they are going to make, it’s a consumer driven market, we could have 20… Read more »

Sean
Sean
5 years ago
Reply to  SoleSurvivor

Question for all.
If one NATO member attacked another, such as Spain invading Gibraltar, would the U.K. be able to invoke Article 5 and request the full might of NATO to take action against Spain? Or does Article 5 only cover attacks by a non-NATO member on a member?

Justin
Justin
5 years ago
Reply to  Sean

Very complicated question that! The truth is there is no real answer as NATO assumes that as an alliance, it’s members are allies and not enimies! This it does not have a handbook on how to deal with wars amongst its allied members! The only way to answer that question is to see what happens if such a situation should ever arise! But it would be a major crisis for NATO if it did

SoleSurvivor
SoleSurvivor
5 years ago
Reply to  Sean

From what I can gather there is nothing legally stoping a country from invoking article 5 against a fellow NATO member if they are doing the attacking. Happened with Greece and Turkey in Cyprus, and everyone applied massive pressure to bring an immediate end to it, which is why we are left with the illegal Turkish northern Cyprus, another classic US foreign policy disaster, we were ready to cut off the Turks with a task force but needed the US 6th fleet, Kissinger slapped the idea down as well as a British threat of military action, scared about pushing the… Read more »

4thwatch
4thwatch
5 years ago
Reply to  SoleSurvivor

SoleSurvivor@

Its not just Spain that is still a threat. I say still because they recent did threaten to take it, but because if you possess a strategic defence asset you have to look after it.

Looking at the posts here there is a large degree of hubris surrounding Gibraltar and
a general unawareness of the risks associated with owning a piece of real estate and protecting its people in a relatively unstable part of the Globe.

SoleSurvivor
SoleSurvivor
5 years ago
Reply to  4thwatch

Hi mate

I think you’re only reading the headline and not the detail, there has been no threat of any military action, all talk regarding Gibraltar has been diplomatic, if the Spanish think they have a way of getting Gibraltar back through Brexit then let them talk, Gibraltar is British, it was signed over in perpetuity in a legal treaty.

Spain knows any way of getting it back will only ever be achieved through diplomacy, which is why they are asking for joint sovereignty.

JohnStevens
JohnStevens
5 years ago

The Falklands is very well protected these day’s and will soon have the updated air defence missile system (Land Ceptor). The Falklands also has a garrison of 1,000 military personnel and 200 personnel of the Falklands defence force plus four Typhoon jets.

JohnStevens
JohnStevens
5 years ago

Just to add to the above: could also be reinforced with extra Typhoons and a company of army personnel fairly quickly. Then if needed extra reinforcements could be sent.

Steve
Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnStevens

In an ideal world this is true, but in the real world, it would take weeks. The Government knows that reinforcing the falklands would look bad, from the perspective of our north and south america allies, and so if the intel guys tomorrow said there was an increased risk of attack, chances are the government would dither and ultimately not react. Chances are the politicians would only sign off on it once the invasion had already began. For the reinforcements to be of any use, we would need to send a few hundred troops as a min, which means multiple… Read more »

Peder
Peder
5 years ago

Grand to see comments above. Let us hope for an independent Scotland and a re united Ireland. Might calm wee England down and lot and put them in their place!

Levi Goldsteinberg
Levi Goldsteinberg
5 years ago
Reply to  Peder

Good luck doing anything without England propping up your economy anymore mate

dave12
dave12
5 years ago

He is russian just trying in a lame way to split the GB but russians are a simple race

dave12
dave12
5 years ago
Reply to  Peder

Peder you are a russian ,you are not fooling anybody so just reflect on the fact that your nation is isolated and poor ,for example GB has twice the size economy then russia, try your lame insults on RT they lack reality to , it seems to be a russian trait

Peder
Peder
5 years ago
Reply to  dave12

You are a laugh lad. Agreeing with two other posters above (Dads Army / Sole Survivor)
Here’s to an independent Alba and a united Eire. As for wee England, I care not.

Skibsta
Skibsta
5 years ago
Reply to  Peder

P**ck!

Sean
Sean
5 years ago
Reply to  Peder

If England is ‘wee’ then Scotland is microscopic if not sub-atomic by comparison on any measure ?

geoff
geoff
5 years ago
Reply to  Sean

Dont let eejit Peder get to you Sean. The Scots are family and his attempt to divide us is crude and not worth replying to

dadsarmy
dadsarmy
5 years ago
Reply to  Sean

Don’t bite Sean, Peder would like to divide Scotland, England, Ireland and Wales whether or not any of those become Independent. What would be desirable with either a continuation of the Union, or for instance Independence for Scotland, is continuing good relations.

There are those who don’t want to see that happen, as Geoff says.

I’m a true Scottish Independence supporter, and you won’t see me slagging England off.

Tim
Tim
5 years ago

RFA Fort Austin was with the Spring Train ships near Gibraltar in 1982 and was ordered South to support HMS Endurance on the 26th of March. HMS Spartan was also there. If Spartan had been ordered South on the 26th then at 30 knots and not stopping for signals every 6 hours and allowing the 1 day needed for stores loading at Gibraltar then she would have arrived off Port Stanley on the morning of April 4th. Too late to stop the invasion on the 1st, but early enough to sink the invading fleet before it left and leave the… Read more »

Chris
Chris
5 years ago
Reply to  Tim

If a ‘Bear’ penetrated our air space and carried on travelling towards the mainland I hope to god it would be shot down and the consequences dealt with later. No PM can take the risk of allowing a nuclear capable bomber of a foreign power with uncertain intentions into out air space near civilian populations.

James
James
5 years ago
Reply to  Chris

Its an interesting scenario, and I also fear nothing at all would be done about it.

Steve
Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  James

my guess nothing would happen. The Russian ambassador would he called to explain and that would be the end of it. Unless of course the bear dropped it’s nukes and a different end of it.

David Stephen
David Stephen
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve

I can’t see that happening. The aircraft would be warned via radio, then visually. Then maybe an attempt to force it to change course, if all these things are ignored then a burst of 30mm as a warning should follow and if all that is ignored you can be fairly certain it’s not here to take photos and feel fully justified in shooting it down. We could also fully expect plenty of support for our position internationally.

4thwatch
4thwatch
5 years ago
Reply to  Tim

I watched the build up to the invasion of the Falklands with mounting apprehension. This awareness came from spending time in Gibraltar. Gibraltar had limited defence assets then and even less now. The UK government has long since had little understanding or inclination to understand the necessity of forces on the ground (or Sea) in its British overseas territories. A reminder though, of the humiliation, deserved in the case of Nott and less deserved in the case of Carrington, should be a useful reminder that ones career can suffer irreparable disaster at the hands of an invasion of our territory.… Read more »

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
5 years ago
Reply to  4thwatch

Landing Ships???

Would it not be easier for them to roll over the border ( next to RAF Gibraltars runway ) and drive in?

I doubt there are many landing sites on the rock available and again whats the point, they could just drive in.

The Royal Gibraltar Regiment is small with 2 Infantry Companies, 1 of which is reservist, HQ Coy, Support Coy, a Band, and some Light Guns. They would not be able to hold the border and their main base is virtually on it.

4thwatch
4thwatch
5 years ago

If and of course its an If, but always expect the unexpected. Seaborne assaults have a way of moving quantities of people unnoticed right up to the point of attack. Attack by seaborne helicopter would be unexpected right? Therefore in addition I would like to see permanently based at least a River class, an extra infantry company rotated from the UK, A CAMM’s Battery, A flight of Tornadoes, and land based anti ship battery at Gibraltar. This is very much what we have in the Falklands. Is an extra 400 personnel, too much to redeploy? The only new stuff would… Read more »

4thwatch
4thwatch
5 years ago
Reply to  4thwatch

Should read Typhoons. FAA Hawker Tempests would be the right stuff though!

dadsarmy
dadsarmy
5 years ago
Reply to  Tim

I would think if a Bear actually entered our airspace and refused to exit while escorted by a couple of Typhoons, it would indeed be shot down. I suspect similar happened during the original Cold War, certainly Leuchars saw some intense activity at times as the airspace was tested. But in those days neither side would admit to it because of increased tensions – “training accident”. There were a few of those.

Slaine
Slaine
5 years ago

On a slight tangent wouldn’t it be nice if the Gibraltar squadron’s new boats turned out to be CB90s.

Chris
Chris
5 years ago
Reply to  Slaine

The ideal situation would be transfer two River class batch ones over there and have one operated by the Royal Navy and one by the Gibraltar Regiment. This would be a substantial increase in firepower and capability whereas CB90s, although nice vessels, would not really since they are only armed with 50 cals compared to 20mm cannon. Having said that though a CB90 would still be welcome none the less. Beautiful looking vessels if i say so myself.

JohnStevens
JohnStevens
5 years ago

Hi Steve.. I think as things stand the Falklands are very well protected, but of course if in future the situation changed politically in Argentina and their military capabilities improved substantially then the UK government of that time would make alterations to the current defences. I also cannot quite agree with you about things being left to late when it comes to reinforcements being sent to the Falklands, if the intel: guys said the situation was becoming serious down there i don’t think the government of that time would dare take any risks about the security of the Falklands, could… Read more »

Steve
Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnStevens

I doubt it. There was a poll a few years ago of younger voters and most hadn’t heard of the war. For every year that passes the political interest also drops. Ok we could have another maggy that goes it alone effectively but most modern politicians would want votes in the commons before committing troops and that process would be drawn out. Don’t forget that Argentina won’t suddenly over night rearm, it will be a slow process over years and so each incremental increase in their capability will appear small in isolation and too small to react. Combine that with… Read more »

4thwatch
4thwatch
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve

The Spanish are on course to present a very credible threat to Gibraltar with their existing and very capable Armada and Yesterdays request to buy 17 CH47s from the USA.
UK Foreign Office and Treasury…… Hello is anyone there?

JohnStevens
JohnStevens
5 years ago

too late*

JohnStevens
JohnStevens
5 years ago

When you take into account the current state of the Argentinian armed forces and the low threat.. the UK government continues to keep a force of 1000 personnel and are willing to spend out on the new Falklands defence missile system plus improvements to mare harbour and so on.. i’m sure if there was a threat the UK government would react in time.

Ron5
Ron5
5 years ago

Who is going to invade Gibraltar?

Spain??

Don’t be so friggin’n daft.

James
James
5 years ago
Reply to  Ron5

Agreed, would be political suicide for them, and think our armed forces are in a bad way Spain’s make ours look like the USA in comparison.

4thwatch
4thwatch
5 years ago
Reply to  Ron5

Daft Ron 5. I wouldn’t bet my life on that assumption. They have said they would take back Gibraltar the day we left the EU.

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JohnStevens
JohnStevens
5 years ago

Hello Steve..

I think when it comes to the Falklands we will just have to: Agree to disagree.

Have a good day all !!!

geoff
geoff
5 years ago

Steve-the Falklands situation is vastly different than in 1982. Firstly there is a well defended base that can be quickly reinforced virtually overnight. Secondly the assets on Station including the 4 Typhoons are more than capable of seeing off an initial invasion. Finally as stated above Argentine’s military is in a state of collapse. Any attempt at covert recovery even if funds were available would be easily detected with reasonably good intelligence in place. What is needed is as boost to the Island’s population numbers to give them a larger and more credible voice as an’indigenous’ people entitled to make… Read more »

4thwatch
4thwatch
5 years ago
Reply to  geoff

I thought this was about Gibraltar.

SoleSurvivor
SoleSurvivor
5 years ago

Following on my comment before and a reply to Geoff and John Stevens. Argentina’s GDP is more or less the same as Saudi Arabia’s, and larger than Taiwan, Belgium and Sweden, all it would need is a small order of capabable fighter aircraft and the 4 Typhoons would not be a problem, the Falklands are tiny, there is only so much we can defend by assets on the islands, even 5,000 troops and 10 Typhoons probably would not be enough to stop an invasion force from a neighbouring country with even a half decent military, the numbers and logistics go… Read more »

4thwatch
4thwatch
5 years ago
Reply to  SoleSurvivor

The Spanish forces seem tailored to take Gibraltar and defend against the UK retaking them.

John Stevens
John Stevens
5 years ago

Actually 5000 troops and 10 typhoon jets certainly would be enough lol

SoleSurvivor
SoleSurvivor
5 years ago
Reply to  John Stevens

What 5000 Spartans?

Its a country with over 40 million people that is a stones throw away, currently spends 0.8% on defence, like I said, if things changed and they spent say 2% to 3% of an economy which is just outside the top 20 then an invasion and occupation is highly doable.

John Stevens
John Stevens
5 years ago

Hi Sole… I don’t think it would be as easy as you think for the Argentinians to invade the Falklands.

Have a good evening all!!! ?

Daniele Mandelli
Daniele Mandelli
5 years ago

I think the greatest issues concerning the Falklands are ones of intelligence and political apathy. We were fully aware of the threat in 82 and the FCO failed to act. We had intelligence from several sources, sigint, humint, reports from the DA in Buenos Aires, that something was afoot. Today our intelligence services are of a different magnitude to 1982, I believe it would be nigh on impossible to hide Argentinian preparations from our intelligence assets in the South Atlantic. ( Which we have a plenty ) My worry is the politicians at the top making a balls up of… Read more »

Steve
Steve
5 years ago

Agreed. Reinforcing the garrison would be no problem IF the decision was made in time. If the decision was made post the invasion starting, then I would question whether we could reinforce in time, especially as the transport planes would be coming into a hot landing site. The typhoons there are more than capable of doing the job today, but if Argentina in a decade buys some modern ish jets, do we have enough jets available to move many more to the island in a purely deterence role and do we want to pay the bill for it. I doubt… Read more »